I have been looking to replace my 6-speed manual MK7 GTI for a while. VW dropped the ball on the MK8 interior. Finally the search is over. Proud owner of this Type S.
Hi, from Japan!! First of all, I envy people at North America can drive Integra or TLX. Both cars are not available in Japan even though Acura(Honda) is Japanese car company. In my opinion, I think most of cars can be fun cars if they have manual shift.
i would love to see japanese tuners get their hands on the Integra, especially for aero kits. there's actually 2 TLX Type S I know of that are in Japan, and there will be more on the way as these cars hit the used market.
Dealer Logic: In February, when I was shopping for a V6 sport sedan, I was looking at the G70 3.3T Sport Prestige and the Acura TLX Type S. The Type S was at sticker slightly over $56,000 and the G70 was at sticker at just above $55,000. The Acura dealer where I live marked up their TLX Type S-es to $64,000 before taxes, license and fees. The Genesis dealer agreed to leave off the "mandatory" alarm system and paint protection package. So, no markup, and the red interior I wanted. I would have preferred to buy another Honda product, since I've owned a manual Accord and a Civic Si, but the Acura dealer made my decision really easy to give Genesis a shot. No regrets so far.
What is this comment doing here? This review is about the Integra. TLX and G70 are not in the same category--much heavier cars without a manual transmission. And neither rated for track use. ITS is Road & Track's 2024 Performance Car of the Year for a reason.
I daily drive a Type R. I dont understand the thought its punishing for a daily driver. I also appreciate the slow fades between the type r and type s during this review. I made the right decision! ❤
Re: making the TLX redundant: don't forget that the number of Americans that can drive a manual in 2023 is likely below 20% of the population. Manual transmission vehicles are no longer mainstream products. As such, I think the auto-only TLX has a safe place in the Acura product line.
I’ve owned 5 Acuras and 3 Hondas so let me add some unbiased opinion. I’d most definitely take the TLX TypeS over the Integra TypeS. Hear me out, I was hoping Acura had built the new Integra to face off with the Audi A5/S5 lift back .But they pinned it against the A3/S3. Therefore to me the Integra is too much like the Civic, it’s in a very weird place to compete with Audi/BMW/Mercedes. So taking the TLX TypeS is a easy pick if I don’t care about leg room and trunk space. If that’s what I want I go for the A5/S5 lift back. I was really hoping they either give the TLX a wagon or lift back option. Or make the Integra bigger so we wouldn’t have to compare it to the Civic.
@@SIIKAP1 I meant the Integra/Civic being lighter than the TLX lol, so it would be nimbler if you preferred that over the TLX and it's more traditional performance feel
Thanks guys. Loved the review. I’m your “I can only have 1 car for my commute, my family, and my fun.” After I saw your review I sold my MK7 VW Golf R Manual to buy an Integra TypeS. Had to put a $1k deposit down and wait 5 months, but I didn’t pay over MSRP! Your right. Love it! It’s just wild enough to be engaging and fun to drive while not annoying and tiring to dive on the commute in traffic. (As in stop and go Boston traffic!!) I can sympathize with Todd’s impatience to drive enough miles to run in the engine on his Emira! (Congrats! BTW)
I know you guys weren’t the biggest fans of the Integra A-spec manual, but I immediately put high performance tires on mine and can say it now handles really well. The conti’s that come standard on the A-spec are in no way intended for spirited driving. That being said, I hope to trade in for a Type S in a few years :)
yeah the tires give up before the rest of the car does, even in base form the 11th gen chassis is very competent. I recommend getting a rear swaybar upgrade, esp whiteline 22mm. I've managed to get the rear end loose on mine even without vsa fully off via pedal dance
One of the coolest new cars on the market. Was interested in one, but a little much for my wallet, and i ended up with a new WRX that i love. But the Acura is bad a$$!
My local dealer is getting one tomorrow. That exact color combo. Sorry, Paul, but I think white is the color for this car! My beloved nitrous blue RS may be an endangered species ;). Great review as always!
I have a 2023 A Spec trim with the CVT. Fun car to drive with excellent handling and driving dynamics. I'm sure the Type S is fantastic but $52K is pretty steep if you could even buy one for that price. I'm sure dealer markups are outrageous. .
You’re right about the rear seat room in the TLX. It’s a crime. I don’t see from the interior or exterior what actually makes this a luxury vehicle. I find the Civic touring interior just as attractive. Do you find that there’s enough functional differences to choose this vehicle over the GTI or the Elantra N? I really enjoy your content. One of your videos helped me make my final decision on a recent purchase. I watched your video four times. Keep up the great work.
@@bj10jgo yeah thats what im thinking. Itd be more believable if they asked over msrp for a used car because thats how it is with the FL5- saw on on marketplace with 12k miles, some mods, and still asking $47k
This made my Sunday afternoon! I love this car, but I do think that for a souped-up Civic there are better value options on the market that make it a little hard to justify.
I got one as well and so far beyond happy. In my experience this car handles well and is just unique (meaning you don't even see it around on the streets) + japanese branding (yes I know is made in the US) now, if you are in the market for a similar car which ones would be your pick? And I have test drove and had in consideration all the competition (m340, ct4v bw, muscle cars v8,....etc)
I love my Integra Type S so much! There’s almost no need to modify anything because it comes pretty much perfect from the factory. I will be installing a PRL rear motor mount to stiffen the engine up a little bit. But honestly, I probably won’t touch anything else
I had a 98 GSR and a 03 RSX type S. As fun and good as those cars were, the new ITS is sooooo dope. I wish there was an option for some type of Recaro type seat and a sunroof. Other than that, the car is perfect. What people really don’t spend enough time talking about, the ELS is so dope. It’s better than the Bose system in my 981 Boxster S.
I drive the Integra Type S and the GR86 back to back and I can say for long drives I really like the Type S. Not as luxurious as a Merc but the car is overall great. The GR86 is more linear but less smooth. I would definitely do a short shifter and nice sportier suspension on the Type S. As far as the seats, yes, the Type S seats need more bolstering but I can understand that Acura didn't want to make it too similar to the Type R. The interior door light should have been changing colors with the drive mode as it does with the MDX. The center console has too much gloss black. Everything else is good.
Great review! I just can’t get over how meh the front seats are for how good of a car this is. The price also feels like one of those numbers that you slowly justify your way up to, then regret after the monthly bill starts rolling in. Even without markups, $52k starting MSRP puts this car at just under $60k after taxes, licensing, and other fees here in California.
Hey Gents, been a fan for a while and wanted to provide an interesting bit of feedback-- the audio in the car is relatively low, but the intro is deafeningly loud, forcing me to turn the volume down before I blow my ears out. Any chance the levels could be balanced? lol
I agree. And suspension can always be stiffened. And seats can always be swapped out. The looks of Type S are levels above type R. I've seen type R in person once and I almost confused it with regural civic
I have to agree, was thinking the same as I was driving and saw one today. I still like the integra but the rear is something I'd just have to live with.
Disagree - I have the type s and have seat in the type r - don't get me wrong the type r seats feels fenomenal however I've heard several folks mentioning after a while seating you get sweat for the lack of breathing....which doesn't happen in the type s...so again wondering how much it really make sense the type r instead of what it comes.
Love this car but still seeing huge markups on them. It’s a shame this and the Type R are fantastic drivers cars that have been ruined by dealerships. When most people see one the first thought at most cars and coffee events is: “someone paid that huge markup?”
It worked on me. I thought the wing and the bright red interior of the Type R was a bit too “racecar” for a daily driver, but the Type S fits nicely alongside BMWs and Audis at my professional office. It’s virtually the exact same car, just much more refined.
WELL, ON YOUR REVIEW OF THIS INTEGRA TYPE S... I TOTALLY AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU ON EVERYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT THIS CAR. PROS AND CONS. I'M TEMPTED TO TRADE MY BELOVED 21 FK8 BOOST BLUE. HOPEFULLY I WON'T REGRET AFTER.
Just the fact you have individual mode with the type s and fl5 is a win. Fk8 ecu forces your suspension, engine and steering to be in the same synchronized mode.
Born and raised, lived all my life only 10 miles from Lake Superior. No shortage of need for excellent tires and 4/AWD around here. Haven't had anything 2WD in more than 10 years, and thought for sure I'd have to buy used 2014 and older models of the Subaru Legacy for the rest of my life because I require AWD _aaand_ a manual tranny in my "nice car." I like the Subaru well enough, but I really want an Accord, and the last manuals of those were never AWD. I don't like the Camry, I refuse to buy Nissan or Kia, I don't want the high cost of ownership of anything German made, and Detroit makes nothing AWD+6MT anymore either. I already have a 4WD+5MT Honda Element for utility purposes and rough rural backroads, but it's coming time to get rid of the Legacy I have. The 2012 I have is at the end of its value. I still need a nice car, nicer than a Civic. If only Acura still made the TL+6MT, because I don't want the AWD in the TLX more than I want/need/require a manual tranny, esp. since all the automatics in these cars are CVTs anyway. This car convinced me I don't need AWD anymore. Thanks for pointing that out guys.
To Todd's point midway through, this wins where the Civic verison fails for me due to usability. If the CIvic isn't really good as an all rounder and is more of a sports car, I am not buying a FWD 4-door sedan as my sports car. The moment these hot hatch type of car isn't usable on a day to day basis (or at least compromised enough where you don't want to use it like that), they cease to be interesting at all. So a bit softer/less aggressive Integra Type S that's suddenly a better DD than the civic and gives up very little at the other end? yes please. These cars just only make sense as your only car, not as a weekend car.
I’ve owned both, traded my Aspec Tech 6MT for my ITS. It stiffer for sure but not enough to make it bad. The extra power is 100% worth it, even more so if you get a tune which really wakes the car up.
Appreciate the comments. Debating myself of trading up. But wish they fit a larger fuel tank in the Type S to compensate for less mpg. A spec is just enough stiffness for me. The 19 vs 18 probably don’t help the ride.
They made a great point in comparison to the TLX however I personally like the TLX body style over the integra. The integra Type S looks awesome however Acura knocked it out of the park with the TLX design. Best sedan design that have to date. I love my TLX Type S and I have never loved a car this much
Biggest reason this car is a success is cause of production disruption and price gouging, but those days are coming to an end... Acura needs to get rid of the 1.5T, drop the price by about $10k for the base model that retains Type-S's engine and suspension. Doable, when considering the actual cost of manufacturing Type-S vs Type-R. Also, would be nice if base mode ( with 2.0T engine) had a middle seat...everyone would buy that one.
How can you not look down at a gauge cluster and see a LCD screen with two analog gauges simulated on it and not just heave a huge sigh of disappointment? And you see that every day? It's like putting a circular face of a chronograph on your apple watch's square display.
Would you guys take this over a 330 Msport, Gulia TI or G70? Wouldn’t you rather give up stick shift over RWD ? This looks great but I can’t get past FWD.
FWD in Honda's enthusiast cars is not a hindrance. As long as you're not planning on drifting - which you shouldn't be on public roads - you give up nothing. If you're actually in the market for something in this category, just go test drive it. For the previous generation CTR and Focus ST Honda and Ford simultaneously developed knuckle designs that nearly completely separate steering from power delivery, despite both being sent to the same wheels.
Bruh... Manual. Great handling and braking. Hatchback. Insane resale value (much better than the above cars). Cheaper cost of ownership. More reliable. More fun. Sexy.
@@antoniodiaz2857 After 2 GTIs, I will never buy a used European car again, except maybe a Porsche. You can never trust the previous owner took proper care of it. A neglected American or Japanese car can run like crap for 200,000 miles, but a neglected European car will run great for 80,000 miles then not at all.
Really love the car but Acura is absolutely gouging Americans on the price for this one. These are selling in Canada for an MSRP of 55,600 Canadian dollars. That converts to about $40,300 US dollars. While it's true that Canadians generally pay higher taxes on new car purchases (they also pay something called a PDI), I'm excluding them because the taxes don't go to Acura. Canadians even get a heated steering wheel standard which is about a $500 option in the US. If Acura can make a decent profit selling an American made car in Canada for $40,300, why are they jacking up the price so high in the US?
Thank the snow for that. No seriously, almost everyone and their dog believes they need to have AWD because it snows here and so the S3 and M240xi are more highly considered than the ITS so they have to price it favorably to be competitive. While it sucks for the northern half of the US, they can only have one MSRP and given how well they sell, it's supply and demand. The only thing Acura did wrong IMHO, they should have said we'll make as many cars as people who want to buy them. Might take a while, but you'll get it, and that would instantly eliminate the BS that is dealer markups.
I'd take this over type R any day. They say type R is better on track which I completely doubt, literally only difference is stiffer suspension. Everything else is better on Type S including exhaust
Here's the thing these days. Now I don't know what driving laws are like in Utah, but here in Ontario; you will end up being retweeted by the police if you are 40kms over the speed limit. You could end up, literally, on the 6 O'clock news. Driving that type S day-in and day-out; quite a few of us are going to end up with a stunt driving charge eventually. Oh believe me if it was 1990 I'd be the first in line, but now a days it's just too risky.
The reality, as you guys well know, is that so few Type R's are being sent over from Japan, that the dealers can play the "Who Is the Most Motivated Fool With a Fat Wallet Who is Going To Walk In Our Front Door" game, to an extreme degree. $70.000 Type R's, anyone? At least the production numbers on the Type S mean that you at least have a shot of finding one at or close to MSRP, and you can always special order one from Acura, unlike with the Type R.
@@justinralphio8494 I read somewhere, that Acura was aiming for about 10% of Integra production to be Type S. I assumed from that that there would be relatively more Type S available, especially given that the first year allocation of Civic Rs was only 500 a year to the US.
With markups, the type r and this cost about the same. In 5 years this will most likely cost less since I suspect it won't hold its value as well. Then it will be a great deal.
i am wondering about that since the manuals will be dead. The Civic will probably worth more but I don't think the S will be worth nothing since it is still a drivers car. I don't think its a bad buy!
It has to be said, but, while not a manual, the AWD Genesis G70 (3.3l TT V6) starts at $47k, RWD only starts at $45k. On the same tires both the Hondas would have a hard time with it on the street.
Lots of cars are faster than this in a straight line. Very few are as fun to drive. All the inputs from throttle to steering to breaking to gearbox are amazingly smooth and precise. Clutch is pretty good but not great. If you enjoy manual transmissions and windy roads this can't be beat. If you want an automatic get an S3.
I cross-shopped the G70 based on price and while it is amazing value for the money, I passed on it for the ITS for 2 reasons.. Firstly, there is such a difference between automatic and manual. I've said this before in many other UA-cam comments but do you want a steak that's cooked in a microwave or on the BBQ? Microwave is faster and "better" in every way on paper, but the BBQ steak is what you really want at the end of the day. Second is reliability. My current Honda is 3 years older than Genesis as a company. Hyundai doesn't exactly embody durability and longevity and for the fact I did not know how the G70 will hold up 10 years after purchase, I couldn't comfortably pull the trigger given my buying style.
@@DriverBob14 Hyundai/Genesis/Kia have 10-year warranties. Honda/Acura is only 4 years. I won't say anything about longevity past 10 years, but the company stands behind the product for at least that long.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 I fully understand my reasoning is mostly anecdotal but I had a co-worker that went through 2 engines in her Elantra. Sure it was under warranty but there's something to be said about the headaches around not having your car and having it fail on you unexpectedly. Also, is the 10 year a US thing because in Canada both Hyundai and Genesis only have a 5 year warranty for anything worthwhile (e.g. powertrain). There's also things like the USB debacle where I understand the more luxurious Genesis has an immobilizer, but it leads me to question what shortcuts did Genesis take to offer so much more for the same price? I wish them well and I hope they succeed, more competition is always a good thing but when I've lived 23 years (13+10) of Honda ownership that was essentially oil, filters, tires and brakes and combine that with my close family who all have kept their Honda's minimum 10 year under the same condition, Honda could offer a 1 year warranty and I'd still buy from them.... but only until they burn me. If Honda starts to make lemons I'd quickly move on to another brand who'd offer me that peace of mind.
The type r just has a more storied history than th Type S but this looks a bit more refined. I'm putting my order for a 2025 Type R hopefully next year in Boost blue. By then all the hoarding and forced markup should've sorta disappeared.
@@BitcoinTo150KTrue. 2017 MSRP was mid 30’s and all wanted 70k. That’s how I got an RS3 instead. Thanks to Honda for pushing me away. RS3 has been amazing! New Type S and R look great, but anyone who pays a mark up for a front drive 4 cylinder is crazy. Much better cars out there for 60k.
We hope you saw our comparison with this car and an S3 over on our other channel. Beyond that, Audi doesn’t send many cars to our local press fleet - we’d be happy to drive them all. Thanks for watching!
I’m going to start saving for one today. I’m worried it’s a chick magnet and by that I mean the kind of chick my wife is who will take it away and hog it for herself!
I think youve got it backwards, why buy the integra when you can get the TLX Type S at the same price. I couldn't listen to that 4cly buzz or fight the front end coming out of a tight corner...
Take a slightly used BMW X3 M Competition for the same price and it would shit on both of these Type Shits. Don’t get me wrong, I have a 2020 Si and paid $26k. It’s slightly better and not worth double the price.
Guys, HILLS AND ICE HAVE SHOWN ME AWD IS DEFINITELY NECESSARY IN SOME AREAS. WE HAVE DEEEEP DROPS AND DEEP CLIMBS OMG THE TWO WHEEL DRIVE FOLX EVEN WITH GOOD TIRES… it often doesn’t go well. 😅
This costs MORE than the CTR?? Uh, no. That’s a failed strategy right there. And what’s up with the cheap passenger seat? This is overpriced by at least 10k.
Depends on what you are looking for. For a guy that only cares about straight lines. He can get something faster for less. For a guy who wants a more balanced car that can do more things like turning and braking in an excellent way from the factory. He will have a hard time finding something for less brand new.
$55k for a car that has no memory seat, no power passenger seat, no 360 camera and the fanboys still somehow justify it. This car is worth $45K top, better spend your money on the Type R lol
CTR costs more in the real world. The Integra is easier to find for less. Remember this is a nicer CTR not a faster Integra ASpec that comes with lots of equipment.
@@Marbind go ahead and pay $55k for a pos that dont have memory seat , 360 cam nor power passenger seat. The rest of the "equipment" on the car are basic as shit for a Luxury sport vehicle lol
Another overpriced FWD Honda. Hands down I'd take a TLX over this. It's missing A LOT of amenities you should have for a car in this price range. Paying a premium price for a FWD manual doesn't make sense.
I have driven FWD all my adult life and don't see anything wrong with it. I guess you don't appreciate a stick shift whereas I do. I also don't care to lug around an extra thousand pounds whereas I guess it doesn't bother you. To each his own.
I have been looking to replace my 6-speed manual MK7 GTI for a while. VW dropped the ball on the MK8 interior. Finally the search is over. Proud owner of this Type S.
I bought one of these two and it is a lot of fun to drive.
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@@volodymyrshoniia2424 Ok volo
Once you go Honda, you will never go back...
Hi, from Japan!! First of all, I envy people at North America can drive Integra or TLX. Both cars are not available in Japan even though Acura(Honda) is Japanese car company. In my opinion, I think most of cars can be fun cars if they have manual shift.
i would love to see japanese tuners get their hands on the Integra, especially for aero kits.
there's actually 2 TLX Type S I know of that are in Japan, and there will be more on the way as these cars hit the used market.
Dealer Logic: In February, when I was shopping for a V6 sport sedan, I was looking at the G70 3.3T Sport Prestige and the Acura TLX Type S. The Type S was at sticker slightly over $56,000 and the G70 was at sticker at just above $55,000. The Acura dealer where I live marked up their TLX Type S-es to $64,000 before taxes, license and fees. The Genesis dealer agreed to leave off the "mandatory" alarm system and paint protection package. So, no markup, and the red interior I wanted. I would have preferred to buy another Honda product, since I've owned a manual Accord and a Civic Si, but the Acura dealer made my decision really easy to give Genesis a shot. No regrets so far.
I've had a G70 for over 5 years.. first a 2019 and now a 2023. Amazing car for the money. Tuned, it's crazy fast.
What is this comment doing here? This review is about the Integra. TLX and G70 are not in the same category--much heavier cars without a manual transmission. And neither rated for track use. ITS is Road & Track's 2024 Performance Car of the Year for a reason.
I daily drive a Type R. I dont understand the thought its punishing for a daily driver. I also appreciate the slow fades between the type r and type s during this review. I made the right decision! ❤
Re: making the TLX redundant: don't forget that the number of Americans that can drive a manual in 2023 is likely below 20% of the population. Manual transmission vehicles are no longer mainstream products. As such, I think the auto-only TLX has a safe place in the Acura product line.
I’ve owned 5 Acuras and 3 Hondas so let me add some unbiased opinion. I’d most definitely take the TLX TypeS over the Integra TypeS. Hear me out, I was hoping Acura had built the new Integra to face off with the Audi A5/S5 lift back .But they pinned it against the A3/S3. Therefore to me the Integra is too much like the Civic, it’s in a very weird place to compete with Audi/BMW/Mercedes. So taking the TLX TypeS is a easy pick if I don’t care about leg room and trunk space.
If that’s what I want I go for the A5/S5 lift back.
I was really hoping they either give the TLX a wagon or lift back option. Or make the Integra bigger so we wouldn’t have to compare it to the Civic.
The TLX Type S comes with a V6 Turbo, SH-AWD, 10-speed AT, and a much more refined NVH. There are many reasons why the Integra can't replace the TLX.
@@youngbrevy The smaller size of the Integra is probably what helps it to handle well, not as light as the Civic, but still light.
@@SeanRosairoI mean it’s only like 31 lbs heavier than the Type R.
@@SIIKAP1 I meant the Integra/Civic being lighter than the TLX lol, so it would be nimbler if you preferred that over the TLX and it's more traditional performance feel
Thanks guys. Loved the review. I’m your “I can only have 1 car for my commute, my family, and my fun.” After I saw your review I sold my MK7 VW Golf R Manual to buy an Integra TypeS. Had to put a $1k deposit down and wait 5 months, but I didn’t pay over MSRP!
Your right. Love it! It’s just wild enough to be engaging and fun to drive while not annoying and tiring to dive on the commute in traffic. (As in stop and go Boston traffic!!) I can sympathize with Todd’s impatience to drive enough miles to run in the engine on his Emira! (Congrats! BTW)
I know you guys weren’t the biggest fans of the Integra A-spec manual, but I immediately put high performance tires on mine and can say it now handles really well. The conti’s that come standard on the A-spec are in no way intended for spirited driving. That being said, I hope to trade in for a Type S in a few years :)
yeah the tires give up before the rest of the car does, even in base form the 11th gen chassis is very competent. I recommend getting a rear swaybar upgrade, esp whiteline 22mm. I've managed to get the rear end loose on mine even without vsa fully off via pedal dance
The Type S is a completely different animal. I highly recommend one. I am addicted to mine
One of the coolest new cars on the market. Was interested in one, but a little much for my wallet, and i ended up with a new WRX that i love. But the Acura is bad a$$!
Been waiting on this video!
Thanks guys 😁
My local dealer is getting one tomorrow. That exact color combo. Sorry, Paul, but I think white is the color for this car! My beloved nitrous blue RS may be an endangered species ;). Great review as always!
I have a 2023 A Spec trim with the CVT. Fun car to drive with excellent handling and driving dynamics. I'm sure the Type S is fantastic but $52K is pretty steep if you could even buy one for that price. I'm sure dealer markups are outrageous.
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You’re right about the rear seat room in the TLX. It’s a crime. I don’t see from the interior or exterior what actually makes this a luxury vehicle. I find the Civic touring interior just as attractive. Do you find that there’s enough functional differences to choose this vehicle over the GTI or the Elantra N? I really enjoy your content. One of your videos helped me make my final decision on a recent purchase. I watched your video four times. Keep up the great work.
Agree. Hard to understand how such a large vehicle (almost full size) has a smaller interior than a compact.
@@Marbind that was my experience in the MDX as well. As large as it appears on the outside it’s surprisingly not large on the inside.
At least the MDX should be more roomy on the inside than the TLX.@@hugdeath929
100% agreed on the front seats. Side bolstering not good enough. The Acura seat team screwed up. Should have taken the seats from the type R.
Thank you for this video. Found one of these on Carmax for $49,900 with 1700 miles. I couldn't pass it up. It is a very fun car.
Really? I work for Carmax and these ITS normally do not sell for that price.. lol
thats wild for a used ITS
@@ShaiyanHossain I dont think this guy is telling the truth.. No way a used ITS cost $49k with 1,700 miles.. lol
@@bj10jgo yeah thats what im thinking. Itd be more believable if they asked over msrp for a used car because thats how it is with the FL5- saw on on marketplace with 12k miles, some mods, and still asking $47k
@@ShaiyanHossain Yup, exactly even a used 23 CTR cost around $55k.. If Carmax sell a used ITS, it would probably be in the high upper $60k
This made my Sunday afternoon! I love this car, but I do think that for a souped-up Civic there are better value options on the market that make it a little hard to justify.
I bought one, but I agree with you.
I got one as well and so far beyond happy. In my experience this car handles well and is just unique (meaning you don't even see it around on the streets) + japanese branding (yes I know is made in the US) now, if you are in the market for a similar car which ones would be your pick? And I have test drove and had in consideration all the competition (m340, ct4v bw, muscle cars v8,....etc)
@@pedrot1152people don’t se either on the streets because the majority of people don’t want to buy a $60k FWD “sport” sedan lol.
@JacesOwnWorld I get it but what would be you/peoples pick in this case?
If it was AWD, that would have made a huge difference.
I love my Integra Type S so much! There’s almost no need to modify anything because it comes pretty much perfect from the factory. I will be installing a PRL rear motor mount to stiffen the engine up a little bit. But honestly, I probably won’t touch anything else
It’s a good car, I do wish they went a little harder on the seats. As someone who owned a 1994 GSR, it’s tempting.
Why would they, they literally got type R for that. This car wasn't designed for that although it's just as capable as type R if not more.
I had a 98 GSR and a 03 RSX type S. As fun and good as those cars were, the new ITS is sooooo dope. I wish there was an option for some type of Recaro type seat and a sunroof. Other than that, the car is perfect. What people really don’t spend enough time talking about, the ELS is so dope. It’s better than the Bose system in my 981 Boxster S.
I drive the Integra Type S and the GR86 back to back and I can say for long drives I really like the Type S. Not as luxurious as a Merc but the car is overall great. The GR86 is more linear but less smooth. I would definitely do a short shifter and nice sportier suspension on the Type S. As far as the seats, yes, the Type S seats need more bolstering but I can understand that Acura didn't want to make it too similar to the Type R. The interior door light should have been changing colors with the drive mode as it does with the MDX. The center console has too much gloss black. Everything else is good.
Great review! I just can’t get over how meh the front seats are for how good of a car this is. The price also feels like one of those numbers that you slowly justify your way up to, then regret after the monthly bill starts rolling in. Even without markups, $52k starting MSRP puts this car at just under $60k after taxes, licensing, and other fees here in California.
Hey Gents, been a fan for a while and wanted to provide an interesting bit of feedback-- the audio in the car is relatively low, but the intro is deafeningly loud, forcing me to turn the volume down before I blow my ears out. Any chance the levels could be balanced? lol
That car is sooo much better in every way then the TYPE R
I agree. And suspension can always be stiffened. And seats can always be swapped out. The looks of Type S are levels above type R. I've seen type R in person once and I almost confused it with regural civic
@@i.d.6492 exactly with all the aftermarket support also. It’s sounds looks better by far even better colors to choice from
@i.d.6492 lol, that's what i said about the type s
Funny...I sold my '21 A-Spec TLX for this for all the reasons you guys state at 12:56
I really miss my '03 TSX 6-Speed. Before all the tech stuff, decent interior, and just a fun, fast, light car. I hope the 6-speed never dies
Still kind of wished they kept the TLX taillights. That would've landed the Integra higher up on my bucket list.
I have to agree, was thinking the same as I was driving and saw one today. I still like the integra but the rear is something I'd just have to live with.
Great review as usual. Thank you!
The Type S with the Type R seats is likely the sweet spot here.
Disagree - I have the type s and have seat in the type r - don't get me wrong the type r seats feels fenomenal however I've heard several folks mentioning after a while seating you get sweat for the lack of breathing....which doesn't happen in the type s...so again wondering how much it really make sense the type r instead of what it comes.
Love this car but still seeing huge markups on them. It’s a shame this and the Type R are fantastic drivers cars that have been ruined by dealerships. When most people see one the first thought at most cars and coffee events is: “someone paid that huge markup?”
I got the Performance Red on Ebony Type S for $38,042.74 including all taxes and fees minus my trade-in. I'm good with that.
ITS easier to get for msrp because they're made in the US, not as special as the Type R, and there's simply more of them on the lot
It looks like more companies are doing a Porsche style product planning, taking advantage of tuning to take one product and sell to multiple markets
It worked on me. I thought the wing and the bright red interior of the Type R was a bit too “racecar” for a daily driver, but the Type S fits nicely alongside BMWs and Audis at my professional office. It’s virtually the exact same car, just much more refined.
A comp of Integra TS and TLX TS would be nice.
Edmunds did a U drag compare of the TLX TS and the Integra TS at the end of their ITS and CTR U-drag comparo
Check out the Edmunds U-drag. The TLX race is at the end of the CTR vs ITS video. TLX-S beat the ITS which beat the CTR.
WELL, ON YOUR REVIEW OF THIS INTEGRA TYPE S... I TOTALLY AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU ON EVERYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT THIS CAR. PROS AND CONS. I'M TEMPTED TO TRADE MY BELOVED 21 FK8 BOOST BLUE. HOPEFULLY I WON'T REGRET AFTER.
Just the fact you have individual mode with the type s and fl5 is a win. Fk8 ecu forces your suspension, engine and steering to be in the same synchronized mode.
Vredesteins are amazing, I have quatrac pros; great grip and they have smoothed out my ride on Fiesta St
Just picked up mine this week at under MSRP. Dealer started at $2500 over sticker
I bought 6 FL5 Type Rs and 2 DE5 ITS each at MSRP so yes you can get them MSRP. It’s been so for last 6 months.
Thoughts on comparing to a lightly used rear wheel drive CT4-V Blackwing?
Needed to be all wheel drive in todays world and v6 power j series with a turbo 😮 I would have pre ordered one
Born and raised, lived all my life only 10 miles from Lake Superior. No shortage of need for excellent tires and 4/AWD around here. Haven't had anything 2WD in more than 10 years, and thought for sure I'd have to buy used 2014 and older models of the Subaru Legacy for the rest of my life because I require AWD _aaand_ a manual tranny in my "nice car." I like the Subaru well enough, but I really want an Accord, and the last manuals of those were never AWD. I don't like the Camry, I refuse to buy Nissan or Kia, I don't want the high cost of ownership of anything German made, and Detroit makes nothing AWD+6MT anymore either. I already have a 4WD+5MT Honda Element for utility purposes and rough rural backroads, but it's coming time to get rid of the Legacy I have. The 2012 I have is at the end of its value. I still need a nice car, nicer than a Civic. If only Acura still made the TL+6MT, because I don't want the AWD in the TLX more than I want/need/require a manual tranny, esp. since all the automatics in these cars are CVTs anyway.
This car convinced me I don't need AWD anymore. Thanks for pointing that out guys.
To Todd's point midway through, this wins where the Civic verison fails for me due to usability. If the CIvic isn't really good as an all rounder and is more of a sports car, I am not buying a FWD 4-door sedan as my sports car. The moment these hot hatch type of car isn't usable on a day to day basis (or at least compromised enough where you don't want to use it like that), they cease to be interesting at all.
So a bit softer/less aggressive Integra Type S that's suddenly a better DD than the civic and gives up very little at the other end? yes please. These cars just only make sense as your only car, not as a weekend car.
How does the ride on the Type S compare to an A-Spec in regard to being a daily driver/commuter? Thank you!
less comfort, , seater vs 5 on the a spec worse fuel economy, but then you also get 100 more hp and a better engine lol
I’ve owned both, traded my Aspec Tech 6MT for my ITS. It stiffer for sure but not enough to make it bad. The extra power is 100% worth it, even more so if you get a tune which really wakes the car up.
Appreciate the comments. Debating myself of trading up. But wish they fit a larger fuel tank in the Type S to compensate for less mpg. A spec is just enough stiffness for me. The 19 vs 18 probably don’t help the ride.
@@kj.rising you can always downsize the wheels to 18s and run a 35 sidewall tire over the stock 265/30 R19
It’s a nice car, but got a little carried away with the TLX rant. To even say it looks better, wow.
what's the point getting acura type S over audi s4 for the same money? S4 is v6 and 4wd
Manual transmission, reliability, depreciation
Ouch low blow@@mdbbox5660
It's too bad it's so expensive.... Type R should be 3-5k under it's current MSRP, and this should have been where the type R is.
They made a great point in comparison to the TLX however I personally like the TLX body style over the integra. The integra Type S looks awesome however Acura knocked it out of the park with the TLX design. Best sedan design that have to date. I love my TLX Type S and I have never loved a car this much
Biggest reason this car is a success is cause of production disruption and price gouging, but those days are coming to an end... Acura needs to get rid of the 1.5T, drop the price by about $10k for the base model that retains Type-S's engine and suspension. Doable, when considering the actual cost of manufacturing Type-S vs Type-R. Also, would be nice if base mode ( with 2.0T engine) had a middle seat...everyone would buy that one.
How can you not look down at a gauge cluster and see a LCD screen with two analog gauges simulated on it and not just heave a huge sigh of disappointment? And you see that every day? It's like putting a circular face of a chronograph on your apple watch's square display.
Oh boy another Type s review.
Would you guys take this over a 330 Msport, Gulia TI or G70? Wouldn’t you rather give up stick shift over RWD ? This looks great but I can’t get past FWD.
FWD in Honda's enthusiast cars is not a hindrance. As long as you're not planning on drifting - which you shouldn't be on public roads - you give up nothing. If you're actually in the market for something in this category, just go test drive it. For the previous generation CTR and Focus ST Honda and Ford simultaneously developed knuckle designs that nearly completely separate steering from power delivery, despite both being sent to the same wheels.
Bruh...
Manual.
Great handling and braking.
Hatchback.
Insane resale value (much better than the above cars).
Cheaper cost of ownership.
More reliable.
More fun.
Sexy.
luxury npc commuter car vs hot hatch thing
Acura Type S, used RS3, Golf R, or Gr86 for a one car to do it all type of car? Which would you choose?
Not the Audi. If the GR86 can actually do everything you need, that'd be my choice.
are you speaking from experience of owning Audi's?@TheRealCatof
@@antoniodiaz2857 After 2 GTIs, I will never buy a used European car again, except maybe a Porsche. You can never trust the previous owner took proper care of it. A neglected American or Japanese car can run like crap for 200,000 miles, but a neglected European car will run great for 80,000 miles then not at all.
It’s a very nice sport sedan…not liking the rear end, but otherwise it’s a good looking car. Manual trans is a rarity these days.
Really love the car but Acura is absolutely gouging Americans on the price for this one. These are selling in Canada for an MSRP of 55,600 Canadian dollars. That converts to about $40,300 US dollars. While it's true that Canadians generally pay higher taxes on new car purchases (they also pay something called a PDI), I'm excluding them because the taxes don't go to Acura. Canadians even get a heated steering wheel standard which is about a $500 option in the US. If Acura can make a decent profit selling an American made car in Canada for $40,300, why are they jacking up the price so high in the US?
Thank the snow for that. No seriously, almost everyone and their dog believes they need to have AWD because it snows here and so the S3 and M240xi are more highly considered than the ITS so they have to price it favorably to be competitive. While it sucks for the northern half of the US, they can only have one MSRP and given how well they sell, it's supply and demand.
The only thing Acura did wrong IMHO, they should have said we'll make as many cars as people who want to buy them. Might take a while, but you'll get it, and that would instantly eliminate the BS that is dealer markups.
This sounds like an ad, still a nice car
I'd take this over type R any day. They say type R is better on track which I completely doubt, literally only difference is stiffer suspension. Everything else is better on Type S including exhaust
People are doing better times with softer suspension settings in their CTR.
Isn't that ironic?
Great review but sadly they're marked up just as much and in some cases worse than the Type-R around here.
Here's the thing these days. Now I don't know what driving laws are like in Utah, but here in Ontario; you will end up being retweeted by the police if you are 40kms over the speed limit. You could end up, literally, on the 6 O'clock news. Driving that type S day-in and day-out; quite a few of us are going to end up with a stunt driving charge eventually. Oh believe me if it was 1990 I'd be the first in line, but now a days it's just too risky.
The only mod this needs is smaller diameter wheels. More sidewall is better for real life roads
The reality, as you guys well know, is that so few Type R's are being sent over from Japan, that the dealers can play the "Who Is the Most Motivated Fool With a Fat Wallet Who is Going To Walk In Our Front Door" game, to an extreme degree. $70.000 Type R's, anyone? At least the production numbers on the Type S mean that you at least have a shot of finding one at or close to MSRP, and you can always special order one from Acura, unlike with the Type R.
@@justinralphio8494 I read somewhere, that Acura was aiming for about 10% of Integra production to be Type S. I assumed from that that there would be relatively more Type S available, especially given that the first year allocation of Civic Rs was only 500 a year to the US.
I’d prefer the CTR as the ITS fails as a luxury car imo
If you could get a CTR at sticker I would agree. With current pricing ITS makes more sense
With markups, the type r and this cost about the same. In 5 years this will most likely cost less since I suspect it won't hold its value as well. Then it will be a great deal.
i am wondering about that since the manuals will be dead. The Civic will probably worth more but I don't think the S will be worth nothing since it is still a drivers car. I don't think its a bad buy!
It has to be said, but, while not a manual, the AWD Genesis G70 (3.3l TT V6) starts at $47k, RWD only starts at $45k. On the same tires both the Hondas would have a hard time with it on the street.
Lots of cars are faster than this in a straight line. Very few are as fun to drive. All the inputs from throttle to steering to breaking to gearbox are amazingly smooth and precise. Clutch is pretty good but not great. If you enjoy manual transmissions and windy roads this can't be beat. If you want an automatic get an S3.
G70 is being discontinued
I cross-shopped the G70 based on price and while it is amazing value for the money, I passed on it for the ITS for 2 reasons.. Firstly, there is such a difference between automatic and manual. I've said this before in many other UA-cam comments but do you want a steak that's cooked in a microwave or on the BBQ? Microwave is faster and "better" in every way on paper, but the BBQ steak is what you really want at the end of the day.
Second is reliability. My current Honda is 3 years older than Genesis as a company. Hyundai doesn't exactly embody durability and longevity and for the fact I did not know how the G70 will hold up 10 years after purchase, I couldn't comfortably pull the trigger given my buying style.
@@DriverBob14 Hyundai/Genesis/Kia have 10-year warranties. Honda/Acura is only 4 years. I won't say anything about longevity past 10 years, but the company stands behind the product for at least that long.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 I fully understand my reasoning is mostly anecdotal but I had a co-worker that went through 2 engines in her Elantra. Sure it was under warranty but there's something to be said about the headaches around not having your car and having it fail on you unexpectedly. Also, is the 10 year a US thing because in Canada both Hyundai and Genesis only have a 5 year warranty for anything worthwhile (e.g. powertrain).
There's also things like the USB debacle where I understand the more luxurious Genesis has an immobilizer, but it leads me to question what shortcuts did Genesis take to offer so much more for the same price?
I wish them well and I hope they succeed, more competition is always a good thing but when I've lived 23 years (13+10) of Honda ownership that was essentially oil, filters, tires and brakes and combine that with my close family who all have kept their Honda's minimum 10 year under the same condition, Honda could offer a 1 year warranty and I'd still buy from them.... but only until they burn me. If Honda starts to make lemons I'd quickly move on to another brand who'd offer me that peace of mind.
Silly not to have a sunroof.
I just wish this wasn't so expensive, at this point I would rather look into an M2
The car that looks like something out of a GTA game!
Not only the price is different, but the brand. Its not the same, driving a civic, that an Acura. No way.
The type r just has a more storied history than th Type S but this looks a bit more refined.
I'm putting my order for a 2025 Type R hopefully next year in Boost blue.
By then all the hoarding and forced markup should've sorta disappeared.
Wtf are you talking about there have been mark ups since 2017 😂😂😂
@@BitcoinTo150KTrue. 2017 MSRP was mid 30’s and all wanted 70k. That’s how I got an RS3 instead. Thanks to Honda for pushing me away. RS3 has been amazing!
New Type S and R look great, but anyone who pays a mark up for a front drive 4 cylinder is crazy. Much better cars out there for 60k.
Can you guys do more Audi reviews?
We hope you saw our comparison with this car and an S3 over on our other channel. Beyond that, Audi doesn’t send many cars to our local press fleet - we’d be happy to drive them all. Thanks for watching!
How can you feel good about paying $50K+ and ending up with a manual adjustable passenger seat?
Pretty good.
My wife loves it more because she can recline way faster. 🤷♂
Powered passenger seats are just dumb.
LOL, to each his own. Or, as my late father-in-law used to say, "That's what makes horse races." @@Marbind
@@Marbindin a $50,000+ car they’re not dumb
Unpopular opinion: Acura should make an auto transmission Integra Type S.
For that Acura has the TLX Type S
The Straight Pipes thumbnail 😂😂
I’m going to start saving for one today. I’m worried it’s a chick magnet and by that I mean the kind of chick my wife is who will take it away and hog it for herself!
I think youve got it backwards, why buy the integra when you can get the TLX Type S at the same price. I couldn't listen to that 4cly buzz or fight the front end coming out of a tight corner...
damn the passenger seat issues? oof
Test drove it with my wife and asked her how she like the passenger seat? She said it was fine so I bought the car, lol.
Take a slightly used BMW X3 M Competition for the same price and it would shit on both of these Type Shits. Don’t get me wrong, I have a 2020 Si and paid $26k. It’s slightly better and not worth double the price.
TLX is for people who can’t drive a manual.
Guys, HILLS AND ICE HAVE SHOWN ME AWD IS DEFINITELY NECESSARY IN SOME AREAS. WE HAVE DEEEEP DROPS AND DEEP CLIMBS OMG THE TWO WHEEL DRIVE FOLX EVEN WITH GOOD TIRES… it often doesn’t go well. 😅
Wow
I don't like it when FWD cars look like they are rwd. It feels dishonest
This costs MORE than the CTR?? Uh, no. That’s a failed strategy right there. And what’s up with the cheap passenger seat? This is overpriced by at least 10k.
It's the upscale version of the Type R. Of course it costs more.
you cant get a type r for less than $5k markup anywhere so the pricing is more in line than you think
60k is a truckload for this car. You could do better for less - it's still cool just not 60k cool- maybe 40k cool
Depends on what you are looking for.
For a guy that only cares about straight lines. He can get something faster for less.
For a guy who wants a more balanced car that can do more things like turning and braking in an excellent way from the factory. He will have a hard time finding something for less brand new.
Not for 50 thousand dollars.
$53K for an Integra. lol
Ive seen people paying up to 72k for this integra😂😂
What else for 51k? Please tell me and don't say subaru. Give me a break.
Overpriced.
Buddy what’s with your hair???
How's yours?
Shmucker not everyone drives manual
Ah, but they should!
Fwd for that money 👎👎no thankz there is so many options for that money
$55k for a car that has no memory seat, no power passenger seat, no 360 camera and the fanboys still somehow justify it. This car is worth $45K top, better spend your money on the Type R lol
CTR costs more in the real world. The Integra is easier to find for less.
Remember this is a nicer CTR not a faster Integra ASpec that comes with lots of equipment.
@@Marbind go ahead and pay $55k for a pos that dont have memory seat , 360 cam nor power passenger seat. The rest of the "equipment" on the car are basic as shit for a Luxury sport vehicle lol
Another overpriced FWD Honda. Hands down I'd take a TLX over this. It's missing A LOT of amenities you should have for a car in this price range. Paying a premium price for a FWD manual doesn't make sense.
I have driven FWD all my adult life and don't see anything wrong with it. I guess you don't appreciate a stick shift whereas I do. I also don't care to lug around an extra thousand pounds whereas I guess it doesn't bother you. To each his own.
You’re so worried about features lol. This car has everything you need, and is very fun to drive.
The TLX is a completely different type of car.
@@SIIKAP1this js a premium car without basic premium features. Makes no sense. Overpriced and youtube fanboys gonna fanboy
My friend you leaving out a very important amenity.
Agility
And is a very expensive one in the car industry.