Raise Your !Q | Storm !Q Tour 78-U Review - 2 Testers, Challenge Pattern, Surface Adjustments
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2023
- This is our review for the new Storm IQ 78-U bowling ball!
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Mr. Rosdahl thank you for this channel. I'm an old guy who loves to bowl and being lefty it gives me a better perspective watching you throw it. I know myself and others appreciate your knowledge and expertise on the varying subjects related to bowling and this review was exactly what I expect from you.....thorough and entertaining as I learn from you throwing it and the explanations that follow. Thank you.
@thebigeasy8609 • My kindred bowler. Ditto! Tell me, do you recall when Urethane was King!?
We've come full circle. 🎳well
@holdon1258rh The good old days.
Wood lanes, and Urethane. As a Southpaw..nothing like it.
Yeah I wouldn't have an issue at all going back to a black urethane ball on wood lanes on the bug sprayer + mop pattern lol
This may have been the best ball review video I've ever watched. Great job of packing so much info in. Truly helpful
good answers to the unasked questions....keep up the good work.....
One of your best videos ever Luke. Excellent and detailed explanation of urethane ball design, how they are best used and should work.
Thank you for a truly educational video and look at the new 78-U.
Thanks! There was too much for me to talk about to try to restrict it to a certain length, so I just made it as long as it needed to be.
Love the channel, reviews, knowledge shared, Angel and you. Wish'n a Happy and productive New Year for you two!🙂
The IQ 78U should be useful for the time it is supposed to be used for.
You should eat when you suppose to eat ...
I have been looking forward to this one 👀👀👀
Congrats on 25k!
Ball looks like its gonna see a lot of play. And thanks for addressing a lot of the urethane misconceptions. I throw my purple hammer a lot. Just because our local backends are really sharp. Can attest even with my 460+ rpms and a strong drilling the thing barely flares. Its the guys with the wrong layout and stuff not flaring making carrydown. All that said this new iq is gonna be a great tool for a lot of people.
I would love to see your 460+ rpms, any videos?
Some nice black friday dealls this weekend, I snatched a Reality Solid through you affiliate link, happy holidays Luke!
Another great video.
I cant wait for the sublime review! Basically the first time we are gonna see hybrid version of REX!
Sorry but we're actually not getting that one! They don't send us Global balls, so we only buy the ones we're interested in, and I've already got way too many ReX balls to want to jam another one in there. Really can't justify getting stuff just to make a video for, and if they're not interested in sending us the balls, I'm really not interested in paying them to advertise their product.
Plus actually the Reality Check cover was ReX!! I'm sure we'll see it on some other stuff going forward too though.
Enjoyed the video. I really value your opinion on all the ball reviews you do. I keep thinking about getting a urethane bowling ball. Because the lanes I bowl on are old synthetic lanes. With a ton of friction on the backend. And pretty dry from the 10 board to the gutter. Would appreciate your help with this matter. And which ball. Thanks for all you do
Well urethane isn't really for dry lanes, people try to use it on dry lanes just because it's smooth, but it's designed to be really early too. I think Hammer's Nu Blue would be the best answer, because it's more versatile, it flares some so it's not going to create carrydown, and you can ride the line between being urethane with some surface, or acting like a weaker reactive ball with some shine. This one needs to be kept in front of you, it doesn't like angle at all, so if it's dry from 10 to the gutter on your shot, you're going to have to swing it some and this one won't work for that.
Good adjustment on Angels set up. I would think because her natural style is a bit more spinny at the lay down point, she is probably not a great fit for what urethane is trying to do inherently which of course is read the lane early and often. With that said the adjustments did her and the ball more justice. 👏🏽
Yeah she's unfortunately gotten more spinny lately too. We're getting older and have desk jobs and not a lot of time to practice, so just getting harder to keep the hand behind the ball. The adjustments did help a lot and sometimes we're working on stuff while we're shooting videos just because we have no other time to do it, or it just takes that long to warm up lol!
16:10 heckin string pins lol
Loool yes
Urethane does cause carry down if not wiped off as well. Which in league I see many bowlers use urethane, even with a stronger core, that don’t wipe the ball off and the oil is pushed onto the backends. Urethane covers do not absorb oil anywhere near the rate of reactive covers as you know.
But it doesn't, because if you don't wipe the ball off, the part of the ball with the oil on it just touches the part of the lane with oil on it. Once the ball hits the backend, there's no oil to pick up, so the part of the ball that touches the lane on the backend won't have any oil on it to put back on the lane, so it won't create any more carry down than a reactive ball would. Balls that flare just can't cause carrydown, regardless of the cover or absorption rate.
It makes me wonder if Storm did an IQ test to make it a 78 hardness for this ball? I have thought of getting it because I'm a guy who like urethane because my speed is high so I'm looking a ball that doesn't effect the 78 harness rule. Great video Luke, I hope you an Angel had a good Thanksgiving.
Lol I did compare it to the Pitch Black, that was the last 5 solid minutes of the video. I mean they just did this to meet the PBA rule, and there's no reason not to make it generally available too and see what they can sell.
We did thanks! Hope you did too!
Luke, how do you think this ball will roll once its lane shined from a lot of use or polished?
Won't do much, that was kind of the point of showing Angel with the reacta skuff finish. It's going to need to have some surface kept on it
Norm Duke didn’t throw urethane. I guess we could get by without it too. Funny I was also thinking about it being a spare ball until it softened up.
Well Norm also threw it hard and had no rev rate lol, the two handers are going to have to throw it some.
Question, why have there not been more asym Urethane balls similar to the UC3 been developed? Would it be counterintuitive?
People largely don't understand them, and there have been mixed results. The UC3 was great, just not with surface on it, and it wasn't really urethane, it was "urethane-like." The Hot Cell several years ago was basically an asymmetric version of this, it was INSANELY early and then never did anything down lane.
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will tour bowlers be affected by new urethane/like options' lack of carrydown, or will they be more likely just try to drill them weak and hit them with tons of surface to get as close as they can to more traditional urethane?
It depends, they'll probably go both ways, this gives them a few more options and a little more flexibility honestly
If you're considering doing additional videos with this, I think it would be neat to see this compared to a short pin DNA or Summit (or whatever the best comparison would be). There's a whole conversation about how short pin reactive > urethane because Mikey Pinel said so. It would be cool to see someone take a more scientific approach to it.
Eh, it'd be no contest on the left side. Short pins look awful for lefties because there's less track friction so everything looks sharp on the left side. Jesper can get a Pitch Black to "snap" and Butters can hook the whole lane with a purple, etc. I've drilled a couple short pins lefty and they look teeeerrrible because they want to be reactive but they also want to not do anything, so the core and layout fights the cover the whole time. I appreciate that you want me specifically to do this, it just in this case wouldn't be fair. If I was still righty, sure, would probably think about it. Lefty? I'd end up with a boat anchor if I short pinned a reactive ball and I really don't want to burn a ball for a video.
@@LukeRosdahlquestion, generally where does a “short pin” layout put the fingers in relation to the pin? Is it further “down” from the pin? Further out to the side of the pin? TIA
@@strikezone1879 Depends on your pap, but close to your pap. Short pin basically means like 1 or 2 inches from the pin to your positive axis point, which puts it off to the side.
Luke. Did you see the video that JR posted? About how usbc did another study recently about how they did a footprint with varying hardness on urethane. The change they said was like 4 human hairs in change. I forgot the actual number I think it was like. 008 or something like that. It was interesting to check out and read.
That wasn't the greatest study, they didn't use anything under 73 hardness, and that's where stuff really changes. Sure 73 vs 80 hardness doesn't change much but under 73 it gets crazy. Usbc basically manipulated the study to get the results they wanted.
@LukeRosdahl very true. I think they are just overthinking the issue and creating more headache than needed. But this upcoming season. Maybe we will see a difference in qualifiers on TV events.
Eh, if you watch that video I linked in the description, it's incredibly eye opening. I don't think they're overthinking the issue at all when you actually see a real objective study.
That said, I think the Nu Blue is actually better than the Purple, and the jury is still out on this one. I think the gap between B7 staffers and ours got widened if anything as far as the urethane game goes. This one will absolutely be better than the Pitch Black in a limited number of situations, I'm just not sure they're going to be able to trick it enough with layouts, OR our urethane using staffers are going to have to carry around 9 of these at all times.
@LukeRosdahl I'll check it out. I'm not bowling the tour, so for me, it's just league and local tournaments. But I'll check out Ron's video for sure.
Please, please, please, do a montage of Angels reactions after her shots. Especially her hair twist, 180° spins, and facial expressions.
😂 and this is somewhat muted compared to when we go out to practice with the music up
I’m looking for something for when my IQ ruby is too much at my league at a wood house. I’m knocking between the 78 and the pitch black. I’m leaning pitch black on this one. I’m not a PBA bowler.
I'd actually look at the NU Blue Hammer, it's more of a cross between urethane and reactive that I think would work really well once you get a little shine on it.
@@LukeRosdahl my friend has one he is torn. it does shape well in a very unique way, but when it’s not the right tool for him, it does not come in for him and he’s thinking about getting rid of it not for sure but he’s at least thinking about it
Can this one also double as a spare ball, or too much flare? With the low RG and early cover, can you keep it straight enough and controlled enough to save a spot in your bag and not carry an additional spare ball.
Yeah I actually put a little bit in there about that, and I'm in need of a new spare ball at the moment too, so it works great!
@LukeRosdahl Haha, I wrote the comment half way through the video, and then saw the ending. But in general unless someone is on Tour, the Pitch Black is probably a better Urethane option.
@@LukeRosdahl the 78 u looked perfect for spares. The only question is can the pitch black do the same when it comes to spares?
If someone is throwing a urethane ball (which does not absorb oil into the cover) and not wiping the oil off every shot, wouldn’t that result in carrydown?
Not if it flares. Again, if the part of the ball with the oil on it never touches the lane again, how can it cause carrydown? Don't you always wipe oil off balls that absorb oil anyway? Even stuff that absorbs doesn't pull it in that quickly, so if you don't wipe the ball off before throwing it next, it's going to still have almost as much oil on it as a urethane ball will.
@@LukeRosdahl well I certainly wipe the ball off every time, but others don’t. I just envision a very low flaring urethane ball not being wiped off must create SOME carrydown eventually.
@@enigmazero8624 Well yes, a low flaring urethane ball would cause carrydown, but so would a low flaring reactive ball. Reactive balls still have oil on them when they get back, they don't absorb it in the tenth of a second before it makes another rotation.
Flare amount is the only thing that creates carrydown, it's just that traditional urethane typically has weaker/lower flaring cores in them, so traditional urethane balls in general got fairly and accurately associated with carrydown, BUT people have mistakenly associated a urethane cover itself with carrydown. A Black Widow Urethane for example doesn't create carrydown because it flares like a Black Widow, same goes for the Hot Cell, etc.
Again, the easiest way I've found to explain it is that if the ball flares, meaning fresh cover is exposed to the lane on every rotation, how's it going to put any oil back onto the lane on the backend if fresh cover is constantly hitting the lane?
So what's the absolute closest thing in any current lineup to Hectic ? I was given a Hectic as a hand Me down and it rolls amazing, I need something as close as possible
The Hyped Pearl. It's a little stronger, but same type of roll for sure.
@@LukeRosdahl Thanks Brotha,I was also considering the Hyroad Pearl, My Hectic is Old but Man it's amazing and extremely predictable,I bought a whole new arsenal last Year and Hectic was still My Favorite over the 5 New Balls I'd bought
Yeah I was a huge Hectic fan back in the day. The Hyroad Pearl is kind of close too, but the cover is too strong. The Hyped Pearl will be strong out of the box, now I'd definitely sand it down and repolish it with something else of course, but once you get 20-30 games on it, it should be a little stronger still, but really close.
Does this ball roll like the Hot Cell in your opinion?
Kind of, it's not near as front heavy though. The Hot Cell did everything it was going to do in 20 feet and then completely quit no matter what you were bowling on. I think this one will be just fine on short heavy
Hi Luke, how are you? Great video I like the way this ball looks this week. I’m probably getting a phase 2, but eventually for that third ball in the bag I’m debating between a traditional spare ball, urethane ball or pearl or big asymmetrical. can you please give me a link so I can read the rules more why the PBA made this change now I’m still technically “” a beginner bowler. This is just my opinion only a bowling ball is a bowling ball it’s not an actual weapon how can you have the ilegal bowling balls, that’s what I don’t understand me that’s simply politics. also, could you may please do more of an in-depth review of this ball versus the IQ tour solid, which is mine that I have currently I know you did a little bit of this video versus the ruby which I might get also in the future because they have the exact same foundation except the cover. Plus, could you have all three in the bag to make it like a family “” of the IQ tour series?
This video explains it extremely well and in great detail with a lot of very clear visual examples: ua-cam.com/video/2pagEofDq9I/v-deo.htmlsi=FErvKEDBbyzPsbQV
I think there are a few other videos out there comparing the IQ Tour Solid to the 78, but they're so far apart because of the cover difference that there's not really a point. It's kind of like comparing a putter to a 5 iron, just so fundamentally different. So while they both have a grip and a shaft and a head . . the actual performance and uses are wildly different.
Hi Luke. Thanks for getting back to me. I just watched that other video recommended it’s their unique sports science, but the only thing I’m still a little lost on is why did the PBA and I think you said the USBC are balls illegal when I first heard of the issue I thought it was a safety issue if you have any more specific details about the band itself/announcement from the PBA or USBC there’s a link to that article or something to that. Please let me know again what’s wrong with username bowling ball that’s getting better and better with time? Shouldn’t that be a good thing if a bowling ball is a tool and never use it right then why should you ban a product that’s good? That makes no sense again Please forgive me for my lack of knowledge, and I’m not a professional, not even a league bowler, they still somewhat of a beginner bowler that’s starting to get a little bit better
There are several urethane studies that you can pull up if you just google them, would take a little too much time to track them all down. There's a fine line between something being good or effective and a crutch or removing much of the intended difficulty of a lane condition. The issue, as illustrated in the video is that the balls being too soft basically took the pattern out of play and made it much too easy, and the softer balls ignored the pattern differences to a large extent.
Just like other games/sports ban or restrict certain aids, tools, products, etc., this falls outside the range of acceptable assistance, as it makes the ball far more important than the bowler.
I think the last point makes general sense. Then again I am not a professional like you. I’ve been watching this video of of yours more often because as much as I do see some differences between the pitch black and the IQ tour 78 U. But they are really similar. I am struggling. I still can’t pick but I would like to have one before August. That’s when my lease starts. I will be on Wood Lanes and I know for sure the Lanes will be oiled either the night before or the day of league so it will be fresh to start more importantly like I said which one of these will be better to be used as a spare ball again, I will be using this for dual purposes that way I do not need a spare ball to complete my three ball bag
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If u didnt have to do a review, would u put a pin down layout on it?
No, I probably would have gone 5x2 though. Of course, there would be a benefit to having a couple of these drilled a couple different ways. I would also have had one drilled with the layout I used in the video, but putting a "normal" layout on this ball is probably a better idea for most people to balance the reaction a little more.
You bowling on string pins?
Nope!
This ball or the NU blue.. hmm..
Really depends on what you're after, they're not similar balls at all
Not even close. Nu is hammer version of mcp plus its 73 hardness
Nu hammer is not urethane. 2 completely different balls.
@@grandmasteryoda9893 Actually the NU is 78 hardness. Hammer wanted to meet that requirement just to leave no doubt or room for criticism that direction
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