Why Jesus Had to Come 2000 Years Ago...Not Today!
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
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I made two kinda big mistakes in this video. Read below:
It came to my attention that I didn't calculate the percentage at the end correctly.
It should be 1.8%, not 0.018%.
Also, I included Zoroaster and Buddha in the "Ancient Deities" section. I meant to include them with the other figures merely as examples of persons prior to Jesus that were revered in similar ways. I didn't mean to say that they were worshipped as deities. Apologies for that. I should have labelled that section differently to avoid the confusion.
Thanks to all who pointed these out. :)
Julian, here is the artificial Great Divide between all religions and all men. Because, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. And no matter how men might try to define GOD, this doesn't change the fact that GOD IS WHAT GOD IS! "I AM THAT I AM." And I happen to be the prophesied return of the biblical prophet Elijah. Once you know exactly WHAT GOD IS, you will begin to know what YOU are and what "satan" is. And all of this makes perfect sense once you know the best-kept secret in this entire world of limitation - which is, THE REASON WHY YOU ARE EXPERIENCING IT. "Truth is simple," says GOD. And, through Yours Truly, this information has been condensed into a tiny inspired book that one can read online (at no cost) in about FIVE MINUTES. All important mysteries have been revealed in these "end times," which are the birth pangs of the Second Coming of Christ, which involves the awakening of the Christ within YOU. If you want to know more, "seek and ye shall find."
Have you ever seen how the KJV Bible is mathematically encoded?
"it seems unreasonable for God to have shown up 2,000 years ago and not in the modern day when we can just take a video of him."
What they call the "modern day" in the sense required is a RESULT of Christendom, and it took 1600 to 2000 years to do it. In the mid teen hundreds a fundamental change took place catalyzed by 3 big changes that happened almost at the same time. The Protestant Reformation, the printing press and the firearm. The first two were connected directly with Christianity (first big printing was the Gutenburg Bible) directly and the last two indirectly through the breakthroughs in what came to be known as "science" (and its symbiote: technology), an outgrowth of the Christian outlook on the world.
Protestantism created the modern libertarian west. We (Protestants) ended slavery; implemented religious freedom, political freedom, academic freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press FIRST, and thus caused the academic, scientific, technological, and material progress that followed; and most of the rest of the world hasn't caught up with it yet. John 8:32 "You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.
There was about a 200 year window of time, starting in the Victorian era and ending as we speak where the technology and mores of the West collaborated to give truth the advantage in the society over lies and error. There was a holdover of Victorian sensibility in general and specifically in the ideals of scholarship, journalism, and statesmanship. Cheap books (via printing and industrial methods) disseminated knowledge and the technologies of photography, sound recording, and their successors cinema, television, and even digital media at first made it easy to portray certain aspects of truth, and difficult to falsify them. (Not impossible, Dan Rather in his reporter days routinely staged scenes and passed them off as candid news clips, and the "60 Minutes" "news documentary series" routinely edited interviews to distort the meaning and context of interviewee replies, but acting and editing aside the tech and society still favored truth.) This window is now closing as moral integrity in our institutions erodes and the tech begins to favor fakery (CGI, Deep Fake, AI generated video). Even Photo Shop did not exist in the '50s. The original version came out in 1988. Before the 80s there were no computers capable of remotely significant digital image processing and we didn't have photorealistic CGI until the 90s.
But anyway, if God had just waited a few thousand years He still wouldn't have found such a window of time as the "New Atheists" claim to prefer.
@@thevulture5750Even that the word “tyrant” was replaced in it?
Forgot to do the *100 on the percentage yeah?
What always gets me is that 500 people said they saw Jesus post-resurrection.. and testified under the threat of death. What would they have to gain, to risk their lives on a lie? Nothing. The answer is nothing. They had nothing to gain by testifying that Jesus lives, and they had everything to lose. That is a weighted testimony.
Who killed Jesus in the first place?
Use that for Jesus as well, what reason would a man have to claim to be the son of God and not profit from it, not seek wealth or power, what reason would Jesus have to continue to claim to be the son of God and not profit off of it after he was told they would kill him for it, what reason would that man have to willingly give up his life to the people who wanted him dead and not resist, not only that, but pray for them and forgive them. No human being is that good, no human being would do any of that, at some point along a humans' journey, we would falter, or curse those who curse us, but not him, not Jesus, our lord, our God & our savior. God relegated himself to a man and paid the price we could not afford, all for his glory, all because he loved us, that's the reason a man would have, to claim to be the son of God and not profit from it
Uh buddy, those 500 people are a part of a fictional story, so is the earthquake, so is the darkness at noon, so is the ripping of the curtain, and so is the dead people raising from the dead, and walking the streets and so on and so forth.
@@Grayraven777 😂😂 Nope
imagine living in that short period in which all the previous religions stood before you, everyone around you was a devout believer in some god and you yourself were swayed in as well, while prophets around you interpret the word of their gods and preach of their destinies in heavens.
The hype itself would make something happen just so that people wouldn't get depressed en masse about the nature of reality and their part in it.
There are reasons well beyond personal gain for those people to lie under the threat of death. There is also no way to prove who said what, who heard what and who wrote what.
Richard Dawkins on being a Cultural Christian: “I like honey, but bees are dangerous and I want to eradicate the bee population.”
You can be culturally Christian without believing in God, look at the Netherlands where most people are not religious
@@ejajafrozarb Indeed true, but that is NOT true Christianity, that is lukewarm. Being truly wanting Christ requires true belief.
@@ejajafrozarb Imagine wearing a military uniform and earning military benefits without serving in the military. That's what Dawkins wants. The privileges of Christianity without the accountability. He's a fraud and he justifies it through two-bit philosophy and pseudo-science. Even if he became a Christian today, many people are going to hell because of his influence.
@@ejajafrozarb Imagine wearing a military uniform and earning military benefits without serving in the military. That's what Dawkins wants. The privileges of Christianity without the accountability. He justifies this falsehood through weak philosophy and pseudo-science. Even if he became a Christian today, many will perish because of his influence.
@@ejajafrozarb Richard Dawkins constantly attacks Christianity as nonsensical, but he is unwittingly taking part in the demise of Christian virtues that give rise to the culture in the first place.
Jesus is always on time 😊❤
then why has he been pressing snooze for 2000 years?
For us
@@deviceinside because He's very very patient and doesn't want anyone to perish. Be glad of that!
Amen! :)
@@childofGod3n1he doesn't want anyone to perish but he will also bring forth the rapture. What the hell does jesus want then?
You might be begging the question with this red zone.
You have a list of attributes assigned to only your god, but how was this list derived?
It would make sense that any set of attributes for a given god become less common in the trends of religion as you move back and forth in time from when the god appeared.
Jesus comes at the exact historical moment so that truth can enlight mankind, because that's how God operates, with perfection.
Boom
Which particular denomination or church in Christianity demonstrates perfection? Obviously, Christianity has been successful, but so has Islam, and perfection is hardly a quality that comes to mind in these patriarchal and divisive religions. Does perfection require the carrot and stick approach, ie believe in this and you will receive the ultimate reward, don't believe and you will be tortured for eternity?!
@@93Current It's not about perfection interms of making a religion known it's how God chooses to make himself known denominations of Christians are based off Biblical interpretation which is God's word protestant which Iam hold God's word to the highest degree
Islam on the other hand destroys the timeline by saying that God would go through all that trouble just to bring a servant instead of himself than just so his words could get corrupted
You cannot use a cult to judge God nor a denomination its best to look at your own relationship with him and in that sense it's best to just read the Bible
Denomination tends to be for fellowship and social benefits more than anything else
@@93Current >>>> I heard an old priest in the Catholic church I grew up in (Greek {Byzantine} Catholic/ Ruthenian Rite) that gave an Easter sermon one year THAT EXPLAINED EXACTLY WHY and HOW Yashua y Meshiah would come to Earth. Because IF these so-called "brilliant" skeptics and ARROGANT FOOLS were told that God...THE CREATOR of the Universe and ALL the LAWS of physics and science that make EVERYTHING function.....they would have arguments and wars as to who, where and how the Son of God would be born?!!! And all sorts of dignitaries and committees and whatever parades and celebrations they would put on.....INSTEAD.....GOD....THE ALL POWERFUL CREATOR of the universe...DECIDED to Birth His Son in a lonely cold dark dank dirty stable (probably a cave-type shelter built against the hillside as was a customary simplest rudimentary shelter for livestock).....WITHOUT any fanfare or recognition except those who would be REVERENT to His birth among us. The animals were his witness and the poor dumb dirty outcast shepherds who had to sleep out amongst the sheep under the cathedral of the stars of Heaven. THAT is WHY and HOW Jesus of Nazareth came to us......The MEEKEST of the Meek.....The MOST HIGH GOD did NOT need to show off His Power......he is so secure in His Power that He even gave each of us a tiny "seed"...of faith, "that whosoever would believe would have everlasting Life with Him!!"
@@93Current
Im a christian but my favorite kind of preaching involves using maps and charts, idk why im like this but i grew up as an athiest but this kind of stuff really convinced me to believe before i got into the philosophy and love of it all. When i was a kid and people talked to me about God and religion using emotional appeal it always turned me off from it because it registered as "illegitimate" in my mind
As a scientist and engineer myself, the more I learn of the physical universe, the MORE I AM CONVINCED...GOD IS REAL....and if so....WHY would I not want to get to have a connection to Him? I have read and studied every religion and philosophy known and there is NONE that explains the universe and God and man's existence as the Bible does! I used to say that the Bible is the last thing people read before they jump off the cliff. People are so reticent to read it...because WHY? WHY are you afraid to read a Book? There are TWO PARTS to the BIBLE.....The BLACK PART and the WHITE PART....just read the black part and don't worry about the White part. By the time you finished reading the entire black part in The Book....you'll start to get the White part. And don't fret, you have an entire lifetime, and possibly maybe eternity to get the White part. He even promised He would tell you it Himself!
We all come to Christ differently. Prophecy and astronomy led me to Christ. When I was just being dragged to church I didn't want anything to do with it. But the evidence is impossible to ignore and when you meet Jesus it's impossible to forget!
@@josephcernansky1794
Man's mind doesn't have any idea how much time we have, not even THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. HE HIMSELF warned to this end. Don't be complacent to accept THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS THE SAVIOUR as there is NO WAY TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO HAS SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT SO EVERYONE can potentially be saved.
Ya it really helps to see things laid out. Is this proof of God. Well no... But that is an awful big coincidence... You get enough "awful big coincidneces" and the odds start to be come stacked in Gods favor...
If they're using appeal to emotion, then it's illogical. I'm glad you found the logic part of it.
I would also contend that without a Christian ethos, we would not have developed the science and technology we have today. So why didn't Jesus wait until there was electronic communication tech? Because Christianity is a prerequisite for science.
Are non Christian cultures lacking technology? Sure Europe pulled ahead in the end but there were times where China, Japan, and other countries were very prosperous and highly developed for their time without Christianity.
@DobesVandermeer But absolutism from monarchical regimes really suffocated creativity from thinkers who think differently. Whereas Christian countries respect ideas and exotic ways of approaching the world since everyone is equal, the thoughts of the common ppl should be heard as well as the decree of the kings. Which is a prerequisition for different studies outside of the church.
@@quanganhnguyen2075Christianithy went through that period or disrespect and intoletance too, it just happened that over time they accepted new ideas for the sake of progress. Do not forget that astrology and math were developedin countries with islamic beliefs. Their demise in progress started when radical governments took over to bring religious views above anything else.
Exactly!
@NapoleonVelascoCarrillo if I'm not mistaken, the Muslims got their mathematics from the Indian Hindus.
A hypothesis is not proven by a set of conveniently selected data points.
Well said!
That's why this video is big bullshit and I believe in Jesus, btw.
... or cherry picking if you want to be a dick about it.
Agree.
I believe in Jesus so I do not question this. But this video doesn’t convince on why Jesus came when he did.
Is too west centric. Why mention all cultures and stuff of at the end of your argument you based the fact that he came when he did because of a prophecy only relevant to the Jews?
If I were a person from China, Persia, sub Saharan Africa, the americas, or Australia why would I care what a writing of a far away land had to say?
This video does not prove anything. It only reinforces the believes some people have but it fails so badly. It started ok mentioning things very broadly about the world but it ended so bad. Let’s cheer this guy, and pray so god can enlighten him so he can come up with better videos in the future.
@@fernathebest414 The Holy See thought Manichaeism was not west centric enough and that's why they shut it down. Cracks in the official trusted news source story begin to appear when too much is questioned and not blindly accepted.
The problem with Dawkins and his ilk is not the evidence. It's just ego. The evidence is there. But ego won't let them acknowledge it. They love themselves too much.
He has said NO evidence would convince him... sad
@@JulianGentryNah, I respect the honesty, you know how much simpler life would be if more people were that honest with themselves? Having said that, he knows on the inside that’s an irrational stance so yeah who is still involved, so I do still agree with y’all.
He's buying his tickets already! 😢 Hope he buys the other ones in time...
Yeah crazy an “intellectual” has no problem being intellectually dishonest.
I mean there's evidence for anything and everything you can possibly think of. Flat earth, aliens creating the pyramids, unicorns. The problem is that none of it is convincing evidence. I will be very happy for the day when other Christians realize it's better to shed flimsy arguments and manufactured proof for a pure faith.
"At the right time... Christ died for the ungodly." Romans 5
If jesus was god him self and he sacerficed him self. Would that just mean he is sorry he fed up humans so badly. Cause you really should look at them.
Why is the One who gave you life and freedom responsible for what you chose to do with it? He went through that to rescue us in spite of the various ways we have abused our freedom.
Jesus killed himself for the sins of the people of his time. He has nothing to do with anything we do now. If I committed a crime he's not going to come of of nowhere and crucify himself all over again just to die for my sin. He doesn't care about any of us. He's already dead
Your 'red zone', I think is the region you believe it is most likely for a god to appear. The boundaries are pretty arbitrary, though. Why should Pax Romana delineate when the 'red zone' should begin and end. In terms of culturally impactful societies, America has reached further that the Romans ever have. And in terms of connectivity, the modern internet allows for a broader spreading of Jesus's message than ever before. Finally, using prophecy as an argument is begging the question
The red zone argument is sort of his wishful thinking. Other arguments are better to justify
It’s really subjective, too little of actual substance to waste time here
He says it's because of the prophecy between the rebuilding of the temple and the destruction. Not sure how strong the argument is, but it's crucial to his point.
He mentions the prophecy because if Jesus as God didn’t appear in the time period indicated in the prophecy, which coincided with the time line and its red zone, God would be made a liar, for not appearing during that promised time
@@theanimationcluster7995 that argument assumes that the bible is true. It means nothing to anyone who doesn't already believe that, and requires faith, not fact, to do so.
0:08 You are misrepresenting the question Richard Dawkings was asked and therefore his response. He wasn't asked if A God exists and his respnse was yes, rather COULD the answer be God and his response was yes.
Big difference.
~”when the fullness of time came”
Bible puts it exactly using those words!
@@peterbassey9668 Indeed! I didn’t provide the citation so that perhaps it would create more curiosity
in greek - chronos vs kairos. the Timing of the right-time is important
Praise God!
This comment puts it in a way that has been at the tip of my tongue when thinking about Jesus and his relation of him coming with human history and the universe.., thank you.
Brother, I enjoyed this so much. I’ve already shared it at least 50 times in the first two minutes of watching. Spectacular job. Not just for your addressing of Jesus Christ, but your concise approach to other days.
Hey, thanks!
Don't share these lies!!!
@@JulianGentry
Ahh yes, to cherry pick data points for your own convenience.
You said a whole lot of nothing, and completely missed the point of Richard's question.
You sound dumb
Evidence for God means very little to an atheist, even if there was video evidence of God/Jesus many atheist would still choose to live without God in their lives because they say that God is not worth worshiping because they view God as some kind of monster; and also they’re not willing to give up their sinful lives.
That will still happen, when in the Millennial Kingdom Jesus Christ will be sitting on the throne in Jerusalem, in whole 1000 years many will choose to ignore Him.
@@KOIFishcat • Very true.
False. If there was any physical proof of a god, everyone would see it and accept it. We all see the sun in the sky and all 8 billion of us have the exact same conceptual understanding of it. Your god, just like all other only exists in mythological books and people's words.
@@BUNCHAPUNCHISTAKEN I doubt everyone would accept it despite seeing it. You know nothing John Snow.
@@BUNCHAPUNCHISTAKEN go on farting, fool
Richard Dowkins said "There is no evidence that will convince me God excist" it's not his mind, it's his heart, he doesn't want There to be a God.
Which is THE LORD JESUS CHRIST advised EVERYONE who does want to follow HIM AND HIS EXAMPLE
1“Do not judge, or you will be judged. 2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matt 7, 1-2
As SATAN is the only judge there is - the limited SERVANT rebelling against GOD ALMIGHTY and HIS OMNISCIENCE, OMNIPRESENCE AND OMNIPOTENCE ... as proven by HIM AND HIS ONE AND ONLY INCARNATION THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT FOREVER AND EVER!
The flesh/mind cannot let go of its wickedness and depravity unless subjugating itself to GOD ALMIGHTY through HIS SON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT - AMEN HALLELU-YAH - SOLI DEO GLORIA!
His heart is fine, he genuinely feels bad for and takes pity on the mindless believers who are following a cult with no proof.
@@ACuriousChild Satan is the only judge there is? That doesn't sound correct, maybe you meant it in a different way.
@@repealthepatriotact The evidence is solid, and Richard knows that he doesn't feel bad at all. He said "he doesn't want God regardless of the evidence" that's not a person within reason, that's someone who heart is against whatever doesn't fit their narrative. you comment lacks logic as it goes against what he stated.
When did he say that. Can you link to where he said that?
If Dawkins accepted Jesus as his saviour, he would no longer be a champion for unbelievers, he would lose his audience, his popularity, and his money.
I like him as a champion of atheists, he is just you know, philosofically untrained, he is just quick with his words, quick in the sense of throwing fallacies, (with terrible double standard) i literraly do not like bart eartman i think he is also ultraoverrated but he wipes the floor with him
But just look what he'd GAIN!
This is the prophecy about the second coming of Jesus
Zechariah 13:7
“Awake, sword, against my shepherd, against the man who is close to me!” declares the LORD Almighty. “Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones.
The Shepherd here is Jesus.
John 10:11
“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
This is the fulfillment of the prophecy.
Matthew 26:31
Then Jesus told them, “This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: “’I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’
This happened near 30 to 33 AD.
Hosea 6:1-2
Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds.
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.
In prophecies 1day is equal to 1000 years. Which means after two thousand years Jesus will return again.
And on the third day which is the 3rd millennium, we will live in his sight. We all know we cannot see God's face and live on Earth. So it's the second coming of Jesus.
Luke 21:11 ►
There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.
Matthew 24:6
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
We are the witnesses of all these things. From the death of Jesus to 2030 - 2033 there are 2000 years. Jesus is coming soon. Let's all repent and turn from our old ways and turn to the Lord.
Praise the Lord.
Peace and Love to you all
Easter is pagan, the resurrection day of the Lord is correct and please stop taking the Lord's name in vain like saying omg or using it with a bad word or taking it in anyway that is in vain. Even the devil trembles in his name and we shouldn't use the powerful name like that. For the people who says Jesus is not God here's a verse.
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Everlasting Father?. There's your answer
The whole world will turn against Israel and not just Palestinians. Then know the end is near.
God bless you all
Please spread this message to the ends of the world.
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@@Onlyafool172
THE SYNAGOGUE OF DECEIT is going to dismantle itself ... as it cannot keep track of its lies and eventually THE HOUSE OF LIES is going to go up in smoke, exactly as prophesied. Just look at the world today ... anyone not seeing the signs!!!???
Blinded by their own PRIDE!
Mark 8:36-37
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Matthew 16:25
For whoever wishes to save his life [in this world] will [eventually] lose it [through death], but whoever loses his life [in this world] for My sake will find it [that is, life with Me for all eternity].
where are u getting this list of diety characteristics? seems incredibly random and not backed up by anything, almost like you have the answer in your head and first and then making up a characteristic to make it match haha
I think he took charactistics and deities commonly used as examples why Jssus wasn't reall and other similar arguments
You did be correct
If I were to bring cherrypicked statements and called them empirical evidence it doesn't mean shit.
But you CAN'T do that, so your point is moot.
@@stormhawk31
That's exactly what this guy did in the video though, literally cherry picked data points at his own convenience.
Not to mention he's completely misunderstood Richard's question.
Is it coincidence that this graph appeared in the age when people most believe in graphs?
If the graph started claiming to be God incarnate, then we'd have a different issue
It's interesting to think about believing in graphs but I suppose we do take it for granted. If this wasn't a graph would people still believe it?
Also what do you mean by "believe in graphs". It's a visual representation, not something to "believe in".
@@cadenorris4009 its a joke bud. hes making fun of the lack of sound reasoning in the video
@@cadenorris4009 it was a joke but people today do take statistics and the graphs used to represent them as revealing objective, mathematical, scientific truth, although there are many problems with that view.
Julian! this chart would look amazing for a poster. think about developing one with everything you had in the video because i would love to have your timeline chart framed!
Hey! This originates with J. Warner Wallace and his book Person of Interest, not me. :)
Check out his site for more inspiration.
Coldcasechristianity.com
Did Wallace and his team make the graphic or did you take the info and convert it into a graphic?
@@JulianGentry the one massive thing you may have forgotten to also consider in your argument is Roman crucifixion, had this cruel punishment not have existed, the story would have had a different ending and without it there may have been no long protracted suffering for Jesus and no "cross icon" that unifies believers and gives Christians an identity.
Loved this video by the way.
@@daleywhaley do some research...there is a Chinese Pastor on a You Tube video that shows the Chinese language as the OLDEST CONTUNOUS WRITTEN LANGUAGE....that in Chinese "pictograms"/"histograms" tells a story. One Chinese symbol is sort of like an entire sentence or phrase in English. .......The God of the Bible and Jesus the Christ is NOT a "white man" religion...it is CHINESE!!!
The "GREAT" God of the world is depicted as, "A man, hanging on a tree, on top of the world."
@@josephcernansky1794 that's such an ignorant take. it's only minorities and liberals with their hearts in the wrong place that would even dare call the faith "white man's" religion. There are born again believers all over the world. There may be a lot here and only a few over there but Christ is not and never has been a "religion" reserved for 1 ppl group and fellow believers shouldnt have to bring down any ppl group to lift up their own ideas. The fact genesis is written in the Chinese language doesnt prove Christianity is a Chinese religion. It proves the Bible is correct in that ppl(including the Chinese) devolved from the one true God into paganism/heathenism.
Well said brother! I have heard this argument before, and didn't know how to handle it, because it seems so hard to comprehend comparing these characters to Jesus Christ.
There is one living God, I love how you laid out the similarities of characteristics that people came to learn about God from so many different cultures in the spiritual timeline!
VERY WELL MADE VIDEO. Lots of information that I am still processing but my initially reaction. Very well presented and thought out.
Backwards reasoning like a pro!
Glad I found someone pointing this out. I'm a religious person myself, but I cringe at the lack of critical thinking in a lot of Christian apologetics. The examples in this video are often used as evidence AGAINST Christianity by those that try to show that Christ is a myth that evolved from a long line of other myths.
@@dillon7748 you know I'm not a Christian but i dont think Christ was a mtyh but that he was an actual dude. The understanding that most Christians have today of what it means to be Christian is probably a large misinterpretation of an unoriginal, edited text.
@@ayoobi1691 The correct way of saying what you just said is that Jesus was a historical figure, which is undeniable at this point. The greatest understanding for what it means to be christian comes from the various epistles sent by the apostles, which is one of the most important parts of the new testament. I agree that the first part of the video suffers from confirmation bias and is stupid, however the second part is important because god revealed himself to the israelites and their nation was about to get destroyed, which means that the messiah had to arrive before the romans did their thing. Also it is impossible to know that humanity would have been able to reach the technological point it has today without the existence of christianity.
@@dillon7748 What do you believe in?
@@moxopal5681 Well actual dude/historial figure - he existed. I think the way I said it was fine. Well that's good that Jesus did his thing before the Romans did theirs. All considered, there's still a huge chance of people misinterpreting a very old text that has been tampered with.
Also what about this theory -
In an alternate historical scenario where Alexander the Great diverted his conquest westward and successfully captured and occupied the early Roman Empire, the repercussions on the course of history would have been profound and far-reaching. The absence of the Roman Empire, a powerful and influential civilization known for its territorial expansion, cultural impact, and enduring legacy, would have reshaped the political, social, and religious landscape of the ancient world.
The rise of Rome as a dominant superpower in the Mediterranean region would have been prevented, altering the dynamics of power and influence in the ancient world. Without the Roman Empire, the region of Israel would have been spared from Roman occupation, leading to a different set of historical events and outcomes.
One of the most significant consequences of the absence of Roman occupation in Israel would have been the alteration of the narrative surrounding Jesus of Nazareth and his Crucifixion. The Roman authorities played a pivotal role in the events that led to Jesus' Crucifixion, as it was a Roman prefect who ultimately sentenced him to death. In a world where Alexander the Great conquered the early Roman Empire, the circumstances surrounding Jesus' life, teachings, and ultimate fate would have unfolded differently.
Furthermore, the Crucifixion of Jesus is central to Christian belief, as it is viewed as the fulfillment of numerous prophecies found in the Old Testament. Without Jesus' Crucifixion, these prophecies would remain unfulfilled, impacting the religious beliefs and practices of millions of followers around the world.
The hypothetical scenario of Alexander the Great's westward conquest and occupation of the early Roman Empire raises thought-provoking questions about the interconnectedness of historical events and their enduring consequences.
In its PRIDE man's linear sequential reasoning mind CANNOT - in its literal physical limited sense - fathom OMNISCIENCE, OMNIPRESENCE AND OMNIPOTENCE exactly the way your comment describes it. And that's why no matter what excuses man's mind is going to pretend to have, in order to pretend before itself that there is any "alternative" to GOD ALMIGHTY, so it can continue due to its blindness in its wickedness and depravity.
No matter how many possible "alternative" universes man's mind will be ALLOWED to come up with it will always be ONLY IN SERVITUDE TO GOD ALMIGHTY'S WISDOM MIGHT GRACE AND PURPOSE in order to fulfill GOD ALMIGHTY'S WORD. Your comment included!
THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE ONLY - THE ONE AND ONLY INCARNATION OF GOD ALMIGHTY AND SHEPHERD AND SAVIOUR THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT FOREVER AND EVER - AMEN HALLELU-YAH - SOLI DEO GLORIA!
I fail to see how a Greek Empire would have differed materially from a Roman one, at least in the pertinent details. The Romans lifted a lot from Greece, remember.
There no Roman Empire in times of Alexander the Great.
Because of Alexander Buddhism came about. He had a cultural impact similar to Babylon and its sentencing of the exile of Judea. Much of these events are interconnected and woven together to fulfill this specific time and prophecy. Even the very cause of Jesus’s death was already spoken by him before any real threat had occurred. It’s quite fascinating how the gospels take into account their own povs on how he lived and continues to live in us.
I forgot to mention that he gave his life at the beginning of the Redzone. Born 4.7 BC (known by Chinese and Korean accounts of the star and comet) he lived two about age 33, and you can look up the eclipse that covered the whole land during the specifyied time of day.
01:54 you say he was predicted since the beginning of time. What evidence do you have for this? It sounds very hyperbolic.
I agree. The ancient religions were not predicting a future depiction or incarnation of a god, rather they were telling what they believed happened in the past or was currently true. It would be equally silly to say Christians are predicting the events of the Old Testament or that Muslims are predicting a Mohammed-like character in the future. Truly impressive logical gymnastics.
Even more amazing is how Jesus fulfilled many of the prophesies he had no control over: see how just a few things divide him from the rest of the world population. Each item listed takes chance out of the equation: Must be born a male, from the Israeli population, from one specific tribe out of 12 - Judah; from one of the tribes of Judah - Jesse. In the line of the kingly family of king David. Born before the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. Born of a virgin as prophesied 450 years before. Overlay this with the hundreds of other prophesies given and even Jesus’ own words of what would happen to him and there is no question that Jesus is trustworthy when He says “I am the way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.
Many people will refuse to believe no matter what proof is given. It isn’t a question of intelligence, but one of morality. To trust and obey Jesus means giving up your sin. It means if God exists we are accountable to. Holy God. 0:00
You just write nonsense! Jesus fulfilled ZERO messianic prophecies. There is no "virgin" birth prophecy anywhere in the Bible. What has been translated (from the Hebrew) as "virgin" in Isaiah 7:14 just means "young woman" (Hebrew: "almah"), and moreover that entire chapter in Isaiah is out of context for Jesus.
Jesus was not a descendant from the tribe of Judah. Even supposing that Joseph (the supposed stepfather) was from the tribe of Judah, if Jesus was born of a virgin, then he was not from that tribe and not of the seed of David. So the virgin birth fiction given in the Gospels only refutes the tribe of Judah claim.
Rabbi Tovia Singer's UA-cam videos debunk all the Christian claims and false narratives.
@psandbergnz blah blah look who is here to ruin the atmosphere, like seriously if you Don't believe he exists why care, I Don't go around arguing about Harry potter unless you think he exists. Stop it! The amount of ignorance you saw and lies is concerning 😟 . I pray God opens and softens your heart so that you can accept the Lord Jesus christ, no matter the ways necessary. If you are a truth seeker and not a dog barking go find the truth as it will lead you to jesus amen. If not I pray God will sofyhen your heart during the great tribulation so that you can see who jesus is, I don't want you to be tormented in hell for eternity or be annihilated in hell for eternity either way it's bad for you to experience either instead of eternal life
One for Israel has a good video on the use of “virgin” that’s worth watching. I don’t find Tovia’s argument to be as strong. Same with his interpretation of Isaiah 52-53
@@derekjames9226 , you made the claim. Why don't YOU try to support it? I can't argue or discuss with them, but I can with you.
I base my argument not just on the meaning of the Hebrew word "almah" (signifying "young woman"), but on the context of the chapter as well, which does not comport with Jesus or his time. For example, note verse 17: "The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah-he will bring the king of Assyria.”
Did Jesus live anywhere near the time of the Assyrian empire? No, _Assyria didn't even exist at the time of Jesus,_ because it had been destroyed by the Persians centuries earlier, and Israel was ruled by Rome. So how is Assyria even in context for Jesus?
Moreover, there is no evidence that Mary even called Jesus "Immanuel" (verse 14)! The sign that prophet Isaiah was referring to was the destruction of the two kings feared by king Ahaz (the Jewish king whom Isaiah was addressing), which was to happen before the prophesied child was old enough to distinguish between right and wrong (verses 15-16). In summary, there is absolutely nothing in Isaiah chapter 7 that points to Jesus, and nothing Christological in it.
The same goes for the rest of the Tenakh: in the light of CONTEXT, each and every Christian messianic claim collapses, including the book of Isaiah and Daniel. Jesus isn't anywhere in the Hebrew scriptures in any coherent way.
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Please lay out how do you KNOW - in contrast to believe - what "young woman" back in those days, let alone in the whole context of GOD ALMIGHTY'S WISDOM MIGHT GRACE AND PURPOSE means. Your comment sounds proposturous to say the least and sounds more like a self-assuring exercise of a bloated PROUD UNFAITHFUL MIND than someone looking for the truth. PHARISEE comes to mind!
11:20 when the accurate chart was revealed it was so impactful.. It almost brought a tear to my eye
Yeah, I was crying with laughter as well.
@@mirandahotspring4019 I’m sure you were not
@@mirandahotspring4019 Me too 🤣🤣🤣. This guy is an absolute delusional cult member whose only skill is plagiarism and believing the Bible is a historical document.
Yeah....extreme delusion does that to me too......
You’re the idiot he is targeting 😂
The timeline 😂😂😂
He created the narrative first using when deities came
About and we’re praised .
Then only got it to 700 years then had to use the creation of the post office to make the gap smaller 😂 what does that have to do with Jesus ? Lmfao 🤣
They adopted this language from another country what does that have to do with anything ? 😂the pax romana lmao I’m sorry man but ya need help .
I’ve had
A near death experience I’ve been in the light I’ve felt the love .
This is absurd . All religion on earth is wrong . Period
Yes god loves us all your purpose here is to experience joy.
You’re welcome the voice told
Me
When we die we become whole with all .
I was wondering where this was going...but the timeline was a perfect illustration ... with prophecy being the determining factor... thank you for sharing Sir...
Jesus is the One True God
There can be only one.
So that would mean he sacrificed himself to himself to save the world from himself?
@@dizkoztu No.
@@eniolaelisery1503 so who was he sacrificing himself to then?
@@dizkoztu Yes. He is God after all. The Almighty, He can do what He wants beyond our comprehension since He is God. We cannot limit God for He is God.
Zoroaster was a prophet of his religion(s), but did not claim to be one, himself. He claimed that there were two primal gods, Ahura Mazda (now usually Ormuzd) and Angra Mainya (now usually Ahriman), respectively the god of Wisdom (good) and Disorder (evil).
Likewise, the Buddha did not claim Godhood, but how to avoid and exceed the gods, which were essentially snares to catch souls and bind them to this world rather than proceeding to Nirvana (nothingness).
So the Buddha taught to go beyond the teachings of gods? What is nirvana about?
What about the stoics esp plato. Can you do one on that?
Jesus will come again
Great chart. Adds another layer to the points about Rome and OT prophecy. Thank you
You mean OT lies......
Don't forget the Jewish punishment from Ezekiel 4 had to run it's course. 430 years - the 70 years of babylonian exile. 360 years of punishment left, then multiply by 7 because they were unrepentant (Leviticus 26).
@thegunsngloryshow unjust
So how does an Omnipotent and Omniscient god justify these type of actions?
@@philipgrobler7253 like what?
@@philipgrobler7253 We do not know. We are human. We cannot think like God. There would be no other reasons or justifications that could ever suffice our human logic. We have to take whatever circumstances that we can only understand like this video on what we could believe that Jesus is the one true God. God would never be simply constrained by human logic. Because if God can simply be proven by logic, then that would not be divine at all but just a finite thing. You may argue that the same can be said about unicorns, fairies, or any other thing that our mind could came up with.. Well... that is what this video is all about.
@@philipgrobler7253 How do we justify locking up violent criminals?
Honest question: what do the Jews answer to the prophecy argument?
Wow. This gets an instant follow. I love seeing videos like this where people go through the actual evidence of Jesus Christ being who He really claimed to be. It’s hard to dispute.
Awesome stuff, keep it up man!
Thanks, more to come
i was thinking about this the other day and it makes so much sense that he came when he did because we needed the 2000+ years to happen so that the bible and scriptures circulate around the world enough, and when we get to these times now we can actually back track and look at how perverted the world is and all the prophecies coming true right now so that god can save as many souls as possible, right to the very end and to ramp it up right at the very end.
With the devil seriously overplaying his hand right now he's over exposed himself and is helping to save souls by being so open and in plain sight, everything is done by Gods will. God is great.
Why not start from the beginning than ?
Humans have been around for millions of years so why so late
I'm not a Christian, but I have to admit you've made a very good argument. I would also mention that this happened at a time when the Silk Road was well established, and Rome, Persia, India, and China were all able and eager to police it. There probably wasn't a better time for a viral idea to spread across the world until the Enlightenment at least... and it's possible that the enlightenment wouldn't have happened without Christian influences.
The obvious atheist criticism, though, would be "This confluence of factors had the people of that place and time primed to believe and sensationalize a charlatan more readily than any other time in history."
"Confluence" is simply a placeholder for LACK OF FAITH!
In faith there is enough light for those who want to believe and enough shadows to blind those who don't. Pascal
Blaise Pascal
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ALL is FAITH ... the decisive question is in WHAT!?
"The obvious atheist criticism, though, would be "This confluence of factors had the people of that place and time primed to believe and sensationalize a charlatan more readily than any other time in history."
Not only is that absolutely true... it appears that THAT is exactly what DID transpire.
@@bigair785 You’re saying that Jesus was a charlatan?
Is it possible to get a picture chart of this to print and show people?
Also can't locate your video I saw with the chart of various "gods" compared against Yahweh would be good to have a graphic of that too
I think the last link in the description is what you're looking for
Don't see either in the description?
That chart is wrong is so many ways though... Please don't use it unless you want to look ignorant.
@@VitaKet how? Please expand
Wow man just stumbled upon your video! It’s so good!
It isn't a matter of evidence but of the heart. No amount of evidence will convince someone that doesn't want to believe in a god that calls their desires sin. Even if God appeared in front of them, they would deny Him and believe they were having a delusion. They would rather believe everything came from nothing and when they die, they will return to nothing.
So, you believe gravity exists because of 'heart'? It's hard not to believe something exists when it can be demonstrated that it exists by anyone, at any time. Why is God much weaker than Gravity in this respect?
@@kellystone7501 Gravity is a natural law that has no will or sentience and requires nothing of us. It simply exists and we observe its existence. God as the sovereign creator of the universe who spoke it into being and set the parameters of said natural laws has a will and speaks to us and has expectations of us. Would you choose to obey those expectations if you saw Him face to face? Would you listen to Jesus if He went on CNN and walked on water? Nah, most people would say it was fake and continue living their lives as normal. God is not weak; He is waiting for people to seek Him on His terms - by trusting Christ with their lives. Seek Him and you will find Him.
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Because HE CAN - being OMNISCIENT, OMNIPRESENT AND OMNIPOTENT is unfathomable for man's mind unless submitting itself to GOD ALMIGHTY. Ever heard of "Quantum Physics"?
Delayed double slit experiment ... plus Bereshit (בראשית) prophesy should clarify some of man's mind confusion present in your comment. Declaring the end from the beginning is the ultimate proof of OMNIPOTENCE, OMNIPRESENCE AND OMNIPOTENCE!
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All man's mind is capable of doing to witness the effect of "gravity" all else being theories "explaining" REALITY, which most likely are fallacious and with most likely much better alternative explanation ... GOD ALMIGHTY will prove HIMSELF in due time!
@@ACuriousChild LOL. Nope. Science is based on, and provides EVIDENCE. Religion does not-they lie and tell you to have faith or you will go to hell.
Haven't watched the video yet. But if I were to guess as to why he had to come 2000+ years ago and not today, it's probably because he knew we would get worse and farther away from him over time. We wouldn't be able to uphold the standards and rules of The Old Testament. He needed to do it sooner rather than later in hopes that it would allow more people into heaven than there would be before he made his sacrifice.
Wo why not millions of years before?
2000 years is such small time
@julianGentry can you do a video on his coming back timeline
First off, this is beautiful, and I truly appreciate this research! Secondly, you've filled in so many blanks for me as I've been working on a very similar timeline of my own. Thank you for this and God bless you!
Richard Dawkins on being a Cultural Christian:
I like clean water but I hate the water treatment and purification facilities.
These comments are genuinely braindead. Have you not heard of nuance? He simply said he preferred it to Muslim culture.
Sounds like he has a superiority complex and a hatred for authority. He couldn't imagine submitting himself under the teaching of a church or pastor, let alone submitting his actions to the moral authority of the Bible.
@@davidwillhite421 Bro what? You're not that dumb, right?\
@davidwillhite421 Yep, very true. I would like to take that same argument you wrote and apply it to all non-Catholic Christians out there who consistently protest against the one, true, holy Church that Christ Himself established upon St. Peter (Mt. 16:18), that is, the Catholic Church. I mean, the canon of scripture that we have today didn’t decide for itself, right? There had to be a hierarchical authority within God’s Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, to discern and make a declarative answer on what writings were to be declared divinely inspired, right? Welp, that did happen many, many years ago and all thanks to the Catholic Church. :) People want to reject that fact, though, and don’t want to submit themselves to the Catholic Church; a few major reasons is because of Church teaching regarding contraception, active homosexuality and abortion. Talk about shooting themselves spiritually in the foot.
Trust in Jesus alone, not in your own works
I'm going to trust in his whip making and table flipping skills. We could use a guy like him right now.
First thing I'd say to a question like that is, Jesus' introduction at that time was effective, as the cultural center of the world that would be the West was primed for Christianity, giving Christianity a massive influence over the world.
This is the first time I have watched one of your videos. It was very interesting, well-researched and presented. And I learned a lot - thank you
Yeah, this is the first time I've watched one this kid's videos, too... and I'm out...waste of time...
Very good video. I’d like to point out though that 100 years window out of say 6000 years isn’t 0.0188%. It’s about 1.5% (very roughly).
You see, 1% of 6000 is 60.
You’re on the right track and your video made me think which is very very cool.
PS. Can you narrow it further?
I think he either needs to remove the percent sign, or move the decimal over two places to the right
29+70= 99
3,300+2024= 5,324
99/5324= .018 or 1.8%
So, yeah, he didn't move the decimal over in the graphic.
Math isn't his strong suit...obviously! LOL.....I checked his calculations......but in all honesty...I also checked his timelines of each "religion" too....they too are debateacle....but the gist of his thesis is CORRECT!!
I would also encourage you to look up on You Tube the Chinese Pastor that explains the 5000 year old CONTINOUSLY WRITTEN Chinese language that each "pictogram/histogram describes the Bible...in China, 5000 years ago!!! With NO input from any other parts of the world!! Particularly the Old Testament AND the Coming of The Messiah!!
He posted below video to that. 😉
This is an incredible breakdown. I've tried to articulate these ideas before, but this is incredibly comprehensive and concise. Thank you!
4:28 What are the chances of the Dionysus / Pentheus story being a garbled retelling of Moses before Pharao?
Probably starting out with Egyptians trying to rationalise Moses as some kind of demon, finding out this was bad luck when opposing Hyksos (whom I take to be post-Israelite Amalekites), then switching to adoring Mises / Dionysus, but then switching king from an Ehyptian to a ... Theban ... one.
Where is evidence of one of the pharaoh being dead by submerging into the sea? Death of pharaoh by some magical event must be so significant, egyptians had to write something about it somewhere
Great job putting this together. God bless you brother
This needs more views! Amazing video, thank you for this great research
Why? .... HAVE FAITH!
Similarities between arbitrary characteristics of gods is not evidence. Neither is "spiritual overlap" portrayed graphically. Also, you've basically decided that Christianity is special, and crafted a way to t show that when Jesus was around that time was somehow special.
AND prophets are mostly representations of deities on the earth and not true deities themselves.... This explanation is given without proper religious knowledge.....
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A big portion of christians belive Jesus is a god.
Its actually very heretical.
100% this!
Yours is not a counterargument. You are basically describing his thesis and adding "is not evidence".
He is no trying to demonstrate that God existis, he is trying to demonstrate that, should God exist and be willing to reveal to us, most likely God did through Yeshua (Jesus). And for that, he gives pretty solid and genuine arguments (although the video has different inaccuracies).
@oscar-ie2su, "is not evidence" because of anthropological, historical and contextual culture of the periods. He just didn't extend his reasoning as you also did not when you said "is not a counterargument".
I've had something similar in my mind for a long time. First time I've heard anyone else say anything close. Well done.
Your brilliant " plaster his face on a bill board with - "just worship me" i love it. Your sense of humour is what God loves ❤️
Praise Jesus 🙏✝️❤️😊
This is a great video! Highly informative and well put together. Thanks for posting!
Could I get some pictures of the timeline or some printables?
Check the last link in the description
Wasn't it from the decree of Cyrus? According to Dan 9, Is 44 and Ezra 1 not Artaxerxes
There's 4 different theories as to when it started. Cyrus is one of those
Dawkins hasn't begun wisdom.
He is wisdom incarnate and one of the most respected scholars in the world. Just because someone disagrees with your beliefs using facts doesn't mean he isn't wise, it actually means that he is much wiser than you are.
Nice work. There is an error in Dawkin's logic in taking the society itself for granted. As if we would even be in the modern world without Jesus' first coming and without all the development that was brought by the church. "How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization" by Thomas Woods explains this in detail.
The church didn't build civilizations it stumped them and it was used to retard people.
What??? Civilization would have been fine-China had thousands of years of a more advanced civilization before and long after Jesus. And there was no "development" brought in-only murder, r*pe, slavery, and stolen lands led by the church for the kingdoms of Europe. Most of my ancestors would have survived to pass on their culture and lands without the worship of the myth of Jesus, so don't go all in on the Catholic church until you read the FULL story of all the pain and suffering those psychopaths caused. They didn't build it, they took it by force, subjugating everyone in their path for the glory of gold and power.
Oh yeah, and thank you Islam for preserving the knowledge that came before while Europe and Western civilization declined into the Dark Ages..
@@hurdygurdyguy1 Yes, and thank you to science and Dawkins for disproving most of what the Catholic Church has claimed for hundreds of years while building Western civilization and murdering the millions of native peoples that were in their way while they did it. Nice job, Jesus!!
The fact he would recognize any god but refuses to acknowledge Yahweh the creator and our saviour says a lot
11:04, I know that this is something that may be conflicting to some, but modern day calculations about prophecies and the Bible set Christ birth in either 6 bc or 4 ad, and when talking 4ad as the true date, we get 33 years from the beginning of the Pax Romana to Christ’s birthday, in a way that’s consistent with the prophecies and numbers the old testament likes.
Plus then using information about the Virgin Mary and Joseph, they have to be born and adults by the time Jesus is to be born, so this also justifies the exact date
Hey new subscriber, thought the video was great. I feel like you could have strengthened your reasoning why Jesus could not have been a mythological character, but besides that, good video
Perhaps that will be a future video... Thanks!
Not all were mythological. Buddha, Zoroaster were real people.
Well, it's agreed that a guy named Jesus(Yeshua) existed, even though there is ZERO historical paperwork of his birth and death. He was likely just another preacher like all the others in that region fighting for followers with MANY claiming to be the Messiah(this is a historical fact of Rome's Jerusalem) and why claiming to be the Messiah was automatic crucifixion for treason. The NT Messianic claims are nothing more than a bunch of fictional accounts written by various anonymous authors years later, sometimes hundreds of miles away in Greek. There are no firsthand witness writings. And don't even bring up that "Acta Pilate" piece of fictional fraud-it's all made up.
This was awesome! : )
This was quite interesting! As a Bible Believing, Follower of Christ, I don't always think if timelines, and such, I rather take for granted my faith, and how others must "see to believe". This is actually quite a wonderful teaching.. thank you!! Definitely sharing!!
Great illustration and explanation. Thank you for putting this together
You also forgot book binding which was important in order to spread his message. Scrolls are very slow in order to get to the information you want to access whereas with books you can access almost instantaneously to it.
In one of the UA-cam videos of Pints with Aquines an arqueologist mentions the Roman Empire (peace, roads, all the known world united, etc) and book binding as the reasons Jesus was born when he did.
Wh 12:47 at? Where is that anywhere in scripture? Nowhere. You're just making things up now. Any idea that fits isn't necessarily "proof"
This is pure backwards logic.
If Jesus had existed before you could say Papyrus was the reason. Ifhe had come after you would say the printing press was reason.
You can't just describe the historical context of a supposedly divine event and claim the context is proof of divinity.
Excellent video. Plus over 95% of the world's population came after Jesus, so with good roads and communications it was the perfect time.
Can you please elaborate on what you said? Do I understand that 95% of the total population of the world that existed from the beginning of creation until now, lived after the birth of Jesus, and the remaining 5% before Him?
"The Messiah is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to"
Great job of showing a good example of circular reasoning and using your own metrics to grade some thing on how successful it is.
He came 2000 years ago because the fourth beast was Rome and the prophet Daniel said god will set up his kingdom during the fourth beast.
Okay, but the prophecy could have been changed accordingly.
@haggismcbaggis9485 the prophecy is the same in the oldest recorded text b4 Jesus time
@@haggismcbaggis9485 It is impossibly to find every piece of every old manuscripts, destroy them, make new ones and then fabricate the carbon dating and preserve them for the future. Its not a google doc that you can edit lol
@vladgor4099 lmao google how archeologist piece together broken pieces of manuscript of any finding to learn an ancient language
@@solomon6823 I am saying Daniel would have had a different prophecy. It is not like God is going to be unaware of when he sends his son.
I've binged so much God related stuff and have never heard of this concept before; really good video!
Insightful. All Glory to God! Thanks for sharing.
Does Julian Gentry know about Chesterton? Just found out about this channel 10 minutes ago.
A bit, though I've never read him.
I like his fence analogy!
@@JulianGentry your good points reminded me of Chesty's book the Everlasting Man. What is your faith tradition? Best wishes for the show. I'm subscribed now...
Had to watch the video twice to absorb the info, well outlined. Thanks for providing your source, I'm going to buy the book and read it. Always great to think about our faith from a different angle. It never occurred to me to put Christ's arrival on the scene into the broader context of the rise of other world religions on the entire historical timeline. Subbed!
Thanks!
That book has a TON more cool info like this
Jesus’ timing was determined by Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy. The location of His birth was prophesied as the city of David or Bethlehem.
House of Bread. I did a dive into the whole theme of bread and how it related to all the prophecies- look into it some time it was pretty interesting.
And then there is The Bereshit (בראשית) prophesy it just gets more fascinating by the day. GOD ALMIGHTY declared the end from the beginning .... only GOD ALMIGHTY can do that as HE IS EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME!
yes because making stuff up about something is impossible yeah... people can make stuff up from thin air about any god they believe but when it comes to your particular god then magically everything that was told about him is totally true
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Then just watch it unfold in disbelief - PRIDE - if you think you are the universe's smartass. Others have tried it and failed miserably, but then again you would know this if you had at least tried. But of course it is much "smarter" to listen to the gospel of THE SYNAGOGUE OF DECEIT!
@@user-cz1mz3pp9n If you think it's all made up: why even worry about it or commenton the video- just go on with your life? Maybe you know in your conscience it's true. You are just mad about it still. Yeah, you know thats the case- otherwise you would not be here. We've all been there, once we get tired of being toddlers having a tantrum agianst our father, and grow up a little- we all feel alot better. That's when we come to realize the truth.
Bravo! Exceptionally well done!
Loved the video dude! In the future, might be good to calm down with the dust effect. Its a lil distracting for a simple shot
I am not an atheist. But this was such a poor argument. So many things wrong with it. First off, your argument isn't proving God, it's proving that there's some sort of ideal Messiah Figure, not some ideal God figure. Because God would be an infinite, all powerful being. But since this argument was on God. Let's go through it. Why would I agree with your list at all? Could I not have a God that doesn't fill any of these things and be fully God? And I mean God on earth as well.
Let's go through the presumptions of the list.
1) Why would a god need to be predicted? It's god. If it exist, it would be something we should all just intimately know and be able to connect with. An infinite being cannot be separate from anything or it's no longer infinite.
2) Why would God need to be royalty? That's a human concept. Why would I expect a God to dabble in human concepts of hierarchy? An infinite being outside of space and time shouldn't be in need of adoration or position. This is a human concept of what we believe power desires, because human's desire power to lord over others.
3) If there is a God that exist and has created us, his should be the most natural of creation, for nature itself should be in order of its creation. As why would God defy the nature it created but rather be the absolute beauty and perfection of it? This seems to occur in religions who believe the natural world is something separate from God. This is a finite God and thus can be dismissed as the Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent deity that many seek out.
4) Would not my God understand all that I am and all of my challenges?
5) Why would a God be tempted? An infinite being capable of doing anything and everything couldn't ever be tempted? For temptation requires lack. A true infinite being lacks nothing.
6) Should not God always have me where I am supposed to be? Does not the infinite mover of the world have that ability?
7) Was it not Gandhi that said if you go looking for God and do not see him in the next person you meet, you are not looking hard enough? Why is it the supernatural that would be required to believe the deity nature of a being? Would not we all carry in us the light of God's love to be shown through those who fully embrace his presence. Did Christ himself not say that those who followed him could do even greater than he? John 14:12 says, "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." If you, a believer in Christ, are to honor the words of Christ, than miracles are nothing special to an individual, but to any who are aligned with God. Thus it is more that more aren't doing miracles, than the fact that some one is.
8) The question would be, why would an omniscient, infinite being, ever stop engaging with his creation. Does not God guide your every step, carry you through each trouble when you're too weak to walk.
9) Would not all that you learn be there because God met you to learn it? Why would God have hidden knowledge and hidden information for which would require a series of rigamarole in order dispense the knowledge to a small group, and have them share it. Wouldn't this ultimate being put it into everything we see and engage with?
10) This one bothers me the most, why would any God require sacrifice? Humans are the ones that demand penance for the evil one does. Why would a God require you to kill pieces of its creation in order to honor it or get its forgiveness? This makes no sense. To what would an infinite being need calf blood, or ram's blood, or human blood, or foreskins, in order to be blessed and honored.
11) What trial could possibly be given to an infinite being? To what would this infinite being need to prove or overcome? In that, the idea of trials and challenges are again a human concept. Why would we have a God that follows our human concepts, but rather, that exceeds our human concepts?
12) If God is infinite and omnipresent is not every meal shared with it. Are you ever without God? Even when you eat or when you starve?
13) Death is a human concept, why would a God ever die? Anything that is not eternal couldn't be said to be truly God. A powerful being, certainly, a deity, maybe, but God... no.
14) Would not God want its creation to be eternal with it? To be an expression of its own eternal path. Would not God imbue something that would create an eternity of existence for what all its creation truly is?
15) For what would God judge? For what trivial notions could any being ever do that God didn't want them to do or allow them to do?
Now, what if I told you that every major religion in the world has at least one sect of their religion that worships this version of God.
What if I told you that under laboratory conditions, we could put an atheist who believes in no God whatsoever, and give them an experience with this God and 70% of the time, convert them into believing a higher power?
What if I said that a conceptualization of this deity existed in books that predated the old testament by three to five hundred years?
What if there were natural ways, from meditation, to plant medicine, to liquids excreted by animals, that a person could experience this God?
What if, there was an entire field of study around people who experience this God during periods immense stress, fear, loss, grief, or self-destruction, hitting the proverbial rock bottom?
What if, every religion, every major religious figure of history, encountered this God, and having only their culture to explain this experience, took on the mythos of their current culture?
Would that not sound like a true God?
And what if, in truly understanding and experiencing this God, earth became a paradise and you saw the truth of all existence, and no longer feared death, no longer suffered pain or misery or sadness or loss, and were able to see the beauty in even the most horrible of things?
That is the God I worship. It meets none of these fake criteria created to bolster up one's religious ideas. It exist in Christian Mysticism, Sufism, Advaita Vedanta, Zen Buddhism, and Sikhism all represent the experience of this universal absolute deity.
My god is not separate from me, I am a manifestation of it, and so is every solitary atom in the entirety of the universe. For an infinite God cannot be separate from its creation, for if it was, it wouldn't be infinite.
You're correct there is a lack of distinction between 'divine being' & 'God; Creator of All', but adding that clarification doesn't make the argument poor. The development of these attributes of God are ways people relate to God from analogy of things they know more directly. It does make sense that God would appear in a time & place that confirms as many of these as possible.
And to pick one thing from your list, 'Why would a God be tempted? An infinite being capable of doing anything and everything couldn't ever be tempted?'
An being capable of doing anything and everything is not possible, because of contradictions like 'creating a rock so heavy it couldn't lift it'... the omnipotence of God is often misunderstood. God is Truth & Goodness, God cannot do evil. God is all-powerful in the sense that there is nothing *more* powerful, because everything is God's creation, it doesn't mean God can do 'anything & everything'.
@@indigo3796 It's an assumption, it makes no sense. You're simply perceiving God in your human capacity and creating a narrative that makes sense to the limits of the God that you think to be real. This, like I said, points more and more to a man made God.
A god could easily make a rock bigger than he could pick up and not be a contradiction. Your own bible makes it possible. God makes a rock, then makes himself man and gives up his power, and then cannot lift the rock. He takes back his power and can. Both versions are still God. And thus God creates a rock that he can't lift. It's a pretty simple thing when you realize that omnipotent God would be capable of everything.
The bible says God created evil, Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
God puts lies into the mouths of false prophets according 1 Kings 22: 23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee
A biblical version of God is a contradiction. And it is a weak God, a petty, tyrannical, misogynistic being. Your ideas of God are instantly limited. And because they are limited, they are clearly that of man. You believe in a finite God.
And what I am telling you is that this is the clearest example that man created your God.
For the God I found is infinite.
The God I have experienced, has no book, no language, no worry, no judgment, and no condemnation.
And the God I worship speaks to all universally, in the way they all can understand, and all can speak, which is Silence.
And in the silence, comes peace and paradise and understanding, if one can stay in it long enough.
I tell you I have experienced a God, who is completely and utterly limitless. It is everywhere at all times. Within it, there is no good or evil, right or wrong, all just is. To abide in my God is to never suffer, to never despair, to be truly free from the worries and struggles of life.
To know my God is to turn the universe into a game, a glorious dance, a beautiful perfected moment of eternity.
But my God is experienced, not read about, not learned, not indoctrinated. It can only be experienced by the person. It requires no faith. No worship. Only the willingness to experience it.
My God works through you whether you've encountered it, believed it, or even understood even such a concept of it. You are never separate from it. As I am never separate from it.
I urge you my friend to dig deeper, to look beyond your indoctrination, beyond bad arguments that seem to agree with your beliefs, and instead, ask... what is more plausible for a God.
A being that is infinite and for which all arises, in which we are all intimately connected to, and thus many would have encounters with that they wouldn't be able to explain, except for their own cultural beliefs of the time.
Or that there is a patriarchal father figure, who orders you not to touch menstruating women, who abided in slavery, ordered genocide, and wiped out all humanity, leaving no evidence in the process of this ever happening?
I can't answer every one of your arguments but I'll give you an overview most of your questions are just a version of one of your other questions.
Here's a couple of concepts that will help you to find answers on your own
1. Trinity and the nature of Jesus
2. Revelation and prophecies in OT
3. God's promise and covenant
4. The Catholic church and the saints
5. Original Sin and the Fall
6. The nature of God
I don't want to engage in yt comment sec debate so if you can share your discord it would be nice lol (if you have any questions).
@@user-jy6hd9uw8h I was a theology student that learned Koine Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew and read the books of the bible how they were intended. I had a life dedicated to understanding the bible until I encountered the truth of God and the truth of religion.
@@user-jy6hd9uw8h everything you listed are just stories in which people have different interpretations and beliefs over. Most of it is mythology. Others of it just nonsense and non biblical. And the nature of God in the bible is a tyrannical genocidal homophobic dictator who seemingly relished in his disappointment of men and women.
We could show Dawkins dna evidence of Jesus in a bottle of blood that cures the blind upon touch and he still wouldn't believe. His heart is hardened.
Peter Atkins said even if he saw Jesus rise from the dead he would think he was hallucinating. They don't want to believe.
NOT TRUE!!! Skeptics CRAVE 'REAL' evidence. That's all they ever ask for in debates. If you WERE to provide DNA evidence of Jesus, the scientific community would be ecstatic. And IF that DNA were to point squarely at Jesus... many skeptics may still not worship him, but they will definitely acknowledge his existence.
(I ignored the blood that cures the blind part... because well, we BOTH know THAT won't happen... that would cause too many of your followers to literally lose faith. Because the only reason you need faith is when you didn't actually HAVE a good reason to believe. And replete thru the Bible, 'Faith is valued MUCH greater than evidence'.)
Nope. That's EXACTLY what he is asking for-hard factual evidence. But....no one has ever come close to providing even a shred of evidence that factually verifies the fantastical stories in the Bible. Just an occasional hoax document.
Dawkins ( DORKins ) is an eeeejit .. he fails to see his own insular stooopidity-
Just like Pharaoh's, God honored his choosing and let it even more hardened.
“A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to.”
He also came at the perfect time in terms of population expansion. I am hyper paraphrasing here but you can look this up:
Jesus came at the perfect time, before 90 ish percent of the entire world’s population EVER existed. Many ask, “Why didn’t Jesus come at Creation to save all of the people before him?” But fail to acknowledge less than 5% of the entire world’s population to ever exist were born before Christ. He came with impeccable timing, and he is coming soon again to judge the nations and establish his Kingdom here on Earth!
This video reminds me of the old joke.
One of the best marksmen in the FBI was passing through a small town. Everywhere he saw evidences of the most amazing shooting. On trees, on walls, and on fences there were numerous bull's-eyes with the bullet hole in dead center. The FBI man asked one of the townsmen if he could meet the person responsible for this wonderful marksmanship. The man turned out to be the village idiot.
"This is the best marksmanship I have ever seen," said the FBI man. "How in the world do you do it?"
"Nothing to it," said the idiot. "I shoot first and draw the circles afterward."
Perfect analogy 👍🏻
@@benjisandk That's the poorest analogy I've ever heard and has zero relation to the evidence given. You do realize this video is just one of numerous evidences?
@@MrLaughingcorpse Ok. Then you don’t know what an analogy is. Cool.
This video has no evidence at all. Are the other videos as clueless as this one?
@@benjisandk I take it you haven't studied the bible. The whole reason/message for the biblical writings is Jesus and God revealing himself as Jesus. And God specifically chose a nation and certain time periods for things to happen. This has all been planned out by God.
@@MrLaughingcorpse I have studied the bible many times. This was the reason for me to become an atheist, because it makes no sense. This is a classic case of bias confirmation. You look for some sort of result and then you mark all the things that might indicate what your target is and ignore all the other things that doesn't.
The easy naturalistic explanation is just that Jesus was yet another variety of the invented gods that were similar to him at that time, and that whatever god was invented at that time had the good fortune of being in the Roman Empire.
Not really. Its not like Rome didnt already have its pantheon of god that were already using the infrastructure to spread. That pantheon was already overtaking the local religions they conquered. The naturalistic explanation would expect that pantheon to be the current pantheon...
It's an explanation but not an easy one.
The psychological process of the invention of gods stems from a need of control over forces greater than the people. If you look at the other gods, they were ultimately more self-serving, and a means to progress in the culture. Matters of love, fertility, intelligence, harvest, death, etc. If you look at the population in the culture, it's a straight logical progression that the invented gods exist. The trouble is when you try and lump in Jesus with them.
Look at Jesus' teachings and consider his audience was a very angry, oppressed group of Jewish folks with their only claim to pride in being "God's chosen people". Self-serving invented Jesus would be a person who would promise to overthrow the empire, which he did not. He would satisfy their need for immediately justice, in which he taught them to love and forgive their enemies. And each subset of Jews responded as you'd expect them to. He pissed off the Pharisees because he swung open the doors and let everyone in without requiring them to follow the 613 laws that they were following, and essentially taking away their only point of pride. He was a political threat to the Sadducees, so they were extremely motivated to get rid of him. He did not lead a large coup to overthrow the Romans, rather he preached against that, which pissed off the Zealots. And he never validated Hellenistic thought, which was was off-putting to the Herodians. So wishful thinking-turned legend Jesus flat out doesn't work.
@@eugeivashchenko758 My current belief is that Jesus was a historical person who taught good philosophy and psychology, but that some extraordinary coincidences probably happened to cause the disciples to be mistaken about his divine nature. This theory would explain the historical accuracy of many Biblical details, the sincerity of the disciples, as well as divine hiddenness and the confusion in the church. It would also explain his similarities to previous deities, if the disciples drew upon their previous knowledge to interpret what Jesus said. I would actually like to be able to believe, but that's very difficult when there is so much confusion in the church, that I would not even know what to do next if I did believe.
Your explanation about how Jesus could not have been purely wish fulfillment makes sense to me, but it does not affect my opinion, because I don't believe that he was entirely a figment of imagination. I believe he probably did say things similar to what the disciples wrote down (even if they didn't understand what he meant), and I don't see any reason why a real philosopher could not have said stuff which made people angry.
Except Christianity was persecuted for 300 years in the Roman Empire and if it was fake it should’ve been easy to snuff out.
@@brendangolledge8312He literally straight up says He’s God. He’s either lying or completely bonkers because if He was just a teacher He never would have been crucified. Either that or He’s God.
Can you do same with 1990 up to now. I wanna see something
Thumbnail says “you’ve never seen this before!” Actually as soon as I saw the diagram in the thumbnail I recognized this as J Warner Wallace’s work.
John18: 37 "...For this I have been born and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone that is on the side of the truth listens to my voice. "
Keep reading.... John 18:36 “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
@@qlippoth13 Matt6: 10 "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.
@@louisesamchapman6428 I have no doubt of that, yet everyone who has existed finds fault with this creation of a perfect omnipotent being who created this place, yet was unable to sense the position of Adam in the garden after he ate the forbidden fruit Bereshit 3:9. If we all observe flaw, perhaps it is all of us who are correct in our observation.
@@qlippoth13 Whose advice did Adam elect to follow and whose command did he not ? Romans 5: 12..sin and death resulted to all.
@@louisesamchapman6428 Yet here we all are in a world created by a perfect omnipotent being. Unit 731 speaks for itself IMO, as it is the truth of what we have been made to be.
great video man! i learned a lot
, Glory to God!
Thank you for this!
It could also be considered that in the vastness of this time that a "nobody" born in a "no where village" in poverty with no esteemed education shared his message for only 3 years before his execution. That is to say the nature and wisdom shared in 3 years was enough to spread his name across the world and 2 millennia.
This was like my last 6 months:"Ok now, how many coincidences could there be before you go and think, maybe there is something"
The video's attempt to establish Jesus' deity falls short, as it overlooks critical historical and theological nuances. Rather than presenting a cogent argument supported by robust evidence, it merely reiterates common tropes without engaging with scholarly discourse. Its failure to address counterarguments or acknowledge the complexity of the subject matter undermines its credibility. In essence, the video's shallow analysis renders it more akin to satire than serious theological inquiry.
Jesus' portrayal often reflects a synthesis of preexisting mythological motifs. Yet, the question remains: does this amalgamation render him a figure of historical significance or merely another iteration of mythological storytelling?
The myth of Jesus gained widespread traction due to the logistical advantages afforded by the Roman Empire's extensive network of roads and infrastructure, enabling its dissemination across diverse regions. Nevertheless, the efficiency of its spread does not negate its mythological nature or diminish the need for critical examination of its historical validity.
Given the abundance of mythological stories circulating during his era, his appearance seems ill-timed for establishing a unique claim to deity, suggesting a potential challenge to the credibility of his divine status.
If Jesus wanted to maximize global awareness of his divine nature, appearing in a technologically advanced era with widespread communication channels, such as the present day, would likely be most effective.
I was thinking the same thing. I thought this video was satire at first and actually trying to prove why the deity of Jesus is a myth.
This is the comment I was looking for. I was never quite sure is Jesus miracles were real or fiction but the first 5 minutes of this video pushed me towards the fiction camp. I honestly thought that’s what he was trying to do.
Dr. Michael Hieser has a whole video on how Revelations 12 is all about the birth of Christ. The prophetic language is describing constellation postions in the sky, giving the day Jesus was born. Very thought provoking.
Does Heiser ever elaborate on why one third of the angels rebel because of the birth of Christ? Were they obedient up until that point? What was their beef? Why exactly was that so challenging for them? In other chapters of the Bible oftentimes there are multiple events combined together in a manner that could make it appear that only one event is being referred to...how does Heiser know that Rev 12 isn't the same? There must've been four supernatural rebellions by the time Christ was born. They've rebelled for so many reasons and so often that I would be very concerned about them rebelling when heaven is full of beautiful people. How do they control their urges? Sorry, I just have all these questions and challenges to what Heiser taught. Though my views don't always align with RC Sproul, he was a brilliant communicator of deep biblical truths, yet he didn't buy into the Gen 6 explanation. In fact, there is a good video of him explaining those verses and it's not that long of a video. His and Masterpiece Bible are two that I recommend to people to get an alternate view.
@@truthbebold4009 Heiser specifically points out that no where in the Bible does it say 1/3 of the angels rebelled. Also, he is clear there was one rebellion. We are in the midst of order getting re-established, according to God's will and, therefore, timing. It one reads his material, one would know these things about Heiser.
@@rt3tech No, Heiser says that Rev 12 is about the angels rebelling because of the birth of Christ. My point wasn't about the percentage of angels rebelling, it was about the reason for their rebellion. Heiser's claim is that it is a rebellion because of the birth of Christ.
Heiser does not state that there was only one rebellion. He specifically states that there were three supernatural rebellions. I count four according to his reckoning. However, since the supernatural beings have rebelled at least three times (according to Heiser) who's to say there hasn't been more or won't be more.
@@truthbebold4009 The way you are describing Heiser's writings is NOT how I interpreted them. Also, you asked a specific question about the one 3rd angels pertaining to Heiser. As to why, well, isn't the reason obvious as to why there'd be a great war in the heavens when the Messiah arrived?
@@rt3tech He lists off three distinct supernatural rebellions of Gen 3, 6 and 11 and states that there were ”3 supernatural rebellions". I'm not real certain on what he taught about Rev 12 other than it was due to the birth of the Messiah. I honestly don't know the full depth of what he believes about that particular rebellion. I guess these rebellious angels were rebellious prior to the birth of Jesus but I'm not sure. I click on many of his videos but none that I've watched elaborate on what Rev 12 means; his main thrust is that it definitely isn't about Satan leading a rebellion prior to Gen 3.
This video is amazing, love the effort and time invested, really complete
Bravo! Thank you for your research! It was feral, grief and spot on! Thank you for that magnificent presentation!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
This was incredibly well presented and thought provoking. Well done.
Only thought-provoking if your hobby is believing religious lies.
@@repealthepatriotact not their fault
Preachers, political leaders they all let this game of lies run
Congratulations on being out of it🎉