Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost part 1 death rattle, can it be saved? or is a new engine required?
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- Can we save the 1.0 ecoboost engine having suffered low oil pressure due to the wetbelt (cam belt) failing and blocking the oil pump. Or is it a new engine required?
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Oil is the killer on these cars. I change my oil so regularly. Because it is direct injection and turbo charged, some fuel gets blown past the rings.
Now, the adative in the fuel degrades the oil, which eats the rubber of the wet belt. I got this information straight from Ford, so it's not made up.
Yes agreed. Regular oil changes vital and at the correct ford spec
I use a every tank fuel maintainer and change oil oil filter every year and do 5000miles annually. What do you think.Good enough.What oil do you use I use comma eco f 5w20 part number ecf5l
there wetbelt a very bad engine
you can change every day ;)) same result .... bad engine design ! From 2021new engines resolved the problem
I plugged my other diagnostics scanner in and it says this fault is
Power supply fuel pump
Short circuit to positive or open
Intermittent
I ordered a low pressure fuel pump that will sort it i can start the car and rev it up but when let it idle car just dies and if i rev it it will stay running for a couple of minutes with accelerator keot pushed down a bit thanks for your info mate
Great video, not all fords come with a engine plastic prity cover your better off without one as it will allow excessive heat to escape especially in hot weather 😊
OK thanks for info
This is just one of those engines where you think "why?" My other half had one in her Focus. Got a call one day to say she had got it home but it was seriously down on power. Pulled the sump off and found the oil strainer was clogged up with oil that resembled Sikoflex. The oil starvation had killed the bearings in the turbo (hence the loss of power) I Removed the oil pump and cleaned it thoroughly and also fitted a used turbo. When I had the sump pan removed you could inspect the belt. I cranked it round by hand and no teeth were missing. Took a bit of a gamble on not changing the belt and got away with it. Not a job I fancied trying to tackle on the driveway. Wet belts are just disasters waiting to happen. I'm kinda surprised nobody has come out with a chain conversion for this engine. Granted, chains have their own issues, but degrading into the engine oil isn't one of them 🙂
Yes agreed a very poor design of belt.
Well a chain running in a constant oil bath would be good anyway. Just needs a tensioner The oil pump could be a chain, it only drives the pump , so no timing required just drive.
Had my belt go 2 weeks ago. 2017 zetec 87k miles. Oil change every 10k. But a lot of stop/start driving in town .
I said this going back when ford introduced the 3 Potter around 2012 thay will cause problems, a lot of driving instructors have used them and the same thing has happened. Unfortunately it's all down to emissions aswell as keeping manufacturing costs as low as possible 😢
A simple tip if I may, Use lots of camera pics at different stages and ziplock bags for the bolts and pieces marked 1 to ???? to help with the reassembly order.
Yes I very good tip
Just as bad as these 1.0 Eco-carp engines in the USA was the 'powershiftless' 'automatic transmissions in the Focus and Fiestia. It led to their discontinuance in the NA market.
After 100000 that belts positively amazing. My 308 belt was knackered at 38000
Looks OK until you realise it's shedding the outer layer and blocking the oil pump stainer
When the oil pressure warning comes on you stop the engine and do not run it , obviously drivers have a difficult job understanding that complicated procedure.
Tbh once the light is on its all too late to save. For example you're doing 70mph outside line of motorway. By the time you pull off damage is done.
They come on intermittently at first
My EcoBoost 1.0 red oil light was 2 secs delayed to go off than the other warnings lights. Didn’t think anything about it, at 70mph the light came on permanently. Luckily I was close to a layby, stopped there and had it towed. It was low oil pressure, wet belt degraded and rubber bits in the pump.
I guess I was lucky. Heard this issue is very common with EcoBoosts.
@@NMiller80666 yes very common problem. You where lucky if you caught it. Did you get away with just a new belt and pump cleaned out?
@@vintagesteelgarage Yes, new wet belt, oil pump cleaned, oil changed and new filters. The oil sump pick up strainer had bits of rubber in it.
I also learnt to stay away from big garages like Formula One (had my car serviced every October there), independent mechanics are much more knowleageable.
They announce a recall today on engines 15/02/24. Shitty belt tensioner causing the belt to wear and block the oil pickup screen.
I dont think the car even comes with an engine cover half of the time
Yes u think you are correct
Got 2 with no cover.
No prity cover, this happens a lot with ford even when new from the factory. Some have a under engine protection cover but its something you don't really need as no engine prity cover will allow engine heat to escape more easily especially in hot weather 😊
Its rubber in the oil you need too look out for drops oil pressure
You can't Adam and Eve it,
Ford have been making cars for over 110 years and they go full circle and put a cambelt running in oil 🤦♂️Gordon Bennett
Layer ones have a chain I believe
@@vintagesteelgarage They do yeah. Even Ford figured out, that the wet belt system, is the most moronic idea ever!
The belt in oil is one issue, the belt tensioner is a time bomb, even if the tensioner doesn’t fail, the belt teeth fill the oil pump and starve the mains of oil, other issues, the gears have no key way, and only held in place by torque, once I saw the inside of one of these I was shocked, this has to be one of the worst engines I have ever seen. Inside, and from an engineering point of view. I am amazed people have these still running. I have yet to see inside a 2.0 ecosport.
Absolutely baffling design. It’s like they’ve completely given up on the idea of a vehicle lasting beyond the warranty period.
Yep lots of special tools and over complex torque procedures.
To be far there a great engine with oil changes often its just the wet timing belt side of it that let's it down
Good power for the size. Just not so easy to work on its that's modern engines I suppose.
@vintagesteelgarage yes 💯 there a nightmare to work on to much going on to busy in the engine bay .
Ecoboom. These engines have a really bad reputation. I was recently given a 2011 1.6TDCi Titanium Fiesta in immaculate condition, 75k miles, fully serviced. It has strange cold hiccup issues and lag through the gears when cold, but once warm, it's all good. It's 13 years old and I reckon it will outlast many of these later crappy 3 cylinder 1 litre piles of junk.
Yes you're absolutely correct. They are disposable engines.
I so wish you luck with it 🤞
Turned out fine. We bought it with a known blown engine and then installed a recon engine.
@@vintagesteelgarage I really hoped you were going to be able to save the original
@@hannchris2762 unfortunately it didn't make economic sense to repair. Combined with very limited technical documents showing torque values for main and big end bearings. Basically ford or others just want to sell you a new or rebuilt bottom end. But on the us that comes with a warranty and save time. We still saved thousands on labour by doing it ourselves and had a good experience with my daughter. Not many 17 year old girls can say they fitted a new engine.
How long did it take to get the cam cover off? Would you say that's the easiest way to get to see the state of the cam belt, rather than sump removal? Also, is there a gasket for the cam cover to be replaced once it's been removed? Thanks
It tool about 20 mins to get the cam cover off. However even on this engine which had the pump blocked with the belt disintegrating the belt didn't look too bad. You could see it was breaking up and looked rough like fish scales.
@@vintagesteelgarage thanks very much for the reply 👍
I mean with respect, buying an ecoboost with 100k miles. What were you expecting? You shouldn't have touched it with half the mileage.
I understand what you are saying but we bought it knowing the engine was blown and was therefore very cheap. Once complete with new engine and clutch it is still a couple of grand cheaper than one with low miles.
@@vintagesteelgarage
Yep, understood. If you can fix yourself then you're quids in, but no way anyone should touch one of these,even with low miles on, not knowing it's history. All the best fella.
@@user-yy5bk4eu8q yes since buying this ive heard horror stories of one owner cars sub 40k miles requiring a new engine.
You said that the valves arent bent, but that is actually possible without the engine failing if they havent been very damaged, taking into account that the belt gets weak due to loss of material, I wouldnt discard that posibility
Good point. You'll see in part 3 why I've gone for a full recon motor.
Nice job mate can you help me
P2307 Ignition coil C, primary circuit - circuit high
P2308 Ignition coil B primary circuit - circuit high
I fitted all new spark plugs and 2 new coils car is still the same misfiring bad do u think it might be bad camshaft sensor fault u can start the car a rev it lightly let the pedal go engine cuts out thanks
If coil packs made no difference it will be upstream from the coils could be a damaged wiring to coil packs or blown fuse or relay not picking up.
@@vintagesteelgarage
I checked all fuses with test meter mate all is good u any which relay controls them coils thanks
@@vintagesteelgarage
I plugged my other diagnostics scanner in and it says this fault is
Power supply fuel pump
Short circuit to positive or open
Intermittent
I ordered a low pressure fuel pump that will sort it i can start the car and rev it up but when let it idle car just dies and if i rev it it will stay running for a couple of minutes with accelerator keot pushed down a bit thanks for your info mate
@@vintagesteelgarage
Hi mate do you know if the focus 1.0 ecoboost has a bug software problem ?
Somtimes i start it it says engine malfunction service now but when i switch ignition off abs back on the message is gone do u think i need to oil and filter change then reset oil life cheers 👍
Not sure if mine is blown I was driving and it just went, when I start it it’s like something just spins. Will that need a new engine?
Could be the starter motor not engaging or cam belt snapped. If you get someone to turn the key can you see the drive belt to alternator rotate? You might need to look undseath or under wheel arch to see this.
@@vintagesteelgarage okay thanks I’ll check when someone gets back and can help. I have loads of codes relating to camshaft position not sure what any of them mean
@joshtheepicone2076 could be cambelt then. The other check when you have assistance is try to start the engine and look in the oil filler hole and see if cam is rotating. If you have tools remove the upper cam cover for a better view. Is it turning over on the starter but very fast?
How much did you pay for the fiesta..??Will it still be a bargain after you've sorted the engine?
Paid 2500 for car and about 2000 for engine. Clutch, tyres etc. Saw another on a dealers for £6700. So yes.
Duratec engines are much more reliable can withstand abuse more
Yes true
You said another thing then started by taking your drink away.Blimey after all that hard work ford did.... accommodating for your drink
Good underbonnet drinks holder always required.
What year model is this?
2015. Zetec 1.0 turbo
Does anybody know if it's possible to put an engine from a manual Focus 1.0 Ecoboost directly into an automatic?
Do you have the automatic engine to swap across the flex plate and other ancillaries? When I ordered the recon engine they didn't ask if it was manual or auto. So it could be feasible
I had just a short engine fitted. It's running fine but so many contradictions Ford specialist looked at it took some photos and stated it's wrong engine and doesn't want to fix oil leak in case there's a parts issue.Today Ford dealership said the engine is same for manual and auto. I spoke to a mechanic today who reckons he can fix it. Car has been off the road s year in April. If the engines are the same the oil leak should be fixable, I think.
Thanks for getting back to me.
One last question. How many hours do you think it would take a good mechanic to drop engine, separate gearbox, fix leak, and put back? Mechanic told me a day and would charge me £250 as a job on the side. I've already spent £2400. Four different workshops. Last mechanic, Ford specialist said flex plate nuts not easy to remove due to missing inspection plate. Seems an odd thing to say.
Once again, many thanks for taking the time to help me.
@@KevinChurch-gb6fz one day and £250 sounds good. Modern car needs a lot of strip put before you even get to removing the engine. You. Need to remove bumper, headlights. Front crashbar which includes radiator, ac rad and intercooler. Exhaust need to come off at the front Then a multitude of wires and connectors and then split engine from gearbox and then pull engine out and that's before you even address the leak. Where is the leak from do you know?
What does the death rattle sound like?
Sounds like a top end camshaft rattle on tick over then with a little rev much worse bottom end noise. Youll know it when you hear it. I didnt drive the car but I would guess a loss of power as well.
Don't buy one of these made before 2019.
change timing belt while engine is out , no room ,crap engine design for me
Totally agree. Very cramped and too many electrical connections.
change both belts haha
The design of the engine is very revolutionary. Small, lightweight, and powerful. The point of putting the belt in oil is a good idea on paper. It's so you can have frictionless drive causes less drag more powerful and fuel efficiency.
Sadly, this doesn't work in real life because
People don't want to change their oil at 5K like I do to prevent this.
Yes agreed. Regular oil changes essential. But if you didn't buy new damage maybe already done.
@@No.Handle31 Theres cases of people who do regular oil changes that's still get belt damage but this could be due to using the wrong oil or doing engine flushes
Why bother these cars are a curse on people I hate Ford for selling such garbage to people
Yes a sad end to the fiesta legacy
put it in the dumpster
Well that's where the old engine went.
Buy a honda