I have a Thinkpad X260. Removable RAM, removable SSD, removable battery, 1080p IPS screen. I have 2 extra batteries, I can go 2 full days before needing a recharge. This is not possible anymore.
How's the 260x for drawing and light games like wizard 101. Or should I get a surface go w 8gb ram? Or should I get the new dell inspirion W 8gb ram has a graphics card but can only use capacitive stylus?
@@sdtechconsulting The comment is 5 years old. USB-C has changed everything regarding the battery situation and I can just order the laptop with the amount of memory I need. I am just expecting delivery of a Thinkpad T14 Gen 3 with Ryzen 6850 tomorrow (or thereabouts) so I'm way past the bulky batteries and removable RAM. Also, the current replacement for the X260 from back in the day I think would be the X1 Nano but I did not gather enough courage to gen one of those.
@@10mbc oh wow didn't realize it was from 5 years ago. lol. Amazing that you still replied. Either way, I am typing this on an x230 and also use a T440p. I love how easy they are to mod but tech has changed so much now that its easy to find good performing hardware with MUCH better battery life and more effeciency all around. The T14 Gen 3 is one I have been really wanting for a while but its still a bit spendy. Still, those 6000 series ryzen chips are no joke. I wonder how the onboard graphics perform. I have an Acer laptop with a Ryzen 5 4600h and its pretty good all things considered. Enjoy the T14
There's a bit of confusion going on right now with Lenovo and their x2** series imo. They seem to be taking the laptop in the direction of the t4**s and ditched the attractive points of the x2** in the process: the hot-swappable battery, RAM slots, and ethernet. Given that the footprint hasn't been reduced like the t480s's has, I think the x280 is a tough sell over the T480s.
Not a huge fan of Lenovo, but appreciate how thorough your reviews are. I don't know who else you have similar arrangements with to receive and review different manufacturer's, but it would be helpful for comparison purposes. Still holding off before I commit to buying my new laptop. Thankfully I'm in no hurry! May even choose a Chromebook instead since it would likely serve my purpose. Thank you for another honest review!
I have newer equipment and a built gaming rig but I REFUSE to give up my T520. The thin still performs better than expected after more than its fair share of years. Well built, classic design and in my opinion..better thought out and designed for users on the go. God I love it! lol the only bad thing is the speakers...what were they thinking?!
Damn they are keep going down since the *40 series. Thinkpads used to be about rigidity, upgradeability and good ergonomics or at least decent keyboard. They keep removing useful features from their laptops. This one by any means is better than x220/x230 besides the newer cpu and ram, most of the machine is worst.
Intel started to upgrade their processor's line because of the Ryzen competition, they knew that people and companies are heading to AMD because they have better new CPU's and Graphics, I'm getting the ThinkPad with the Ryzen Chip.
Id like to get another Macbook as the old line-up has been great but the 12" has a really weird flat keyboard, and of course one port.. Which is also used for charging. So Im looking at these as an alternative. @@JayJayYUP
Thanks for the great review. Maybe you can get Lenovo to send you the next version of their AMD A-series thinkpads. The current model, the A275, is expected to get the Rizen Mobile chips. I don't expect it to ever be faster than the the X280, but if it is comparable in performance, it will likely save us a few hundred bucks.
Inquisitor Rob yeah, this is quite terrible, I am really disappointed in Lenovo for this, 8gb non upgradable ram, and and i5 for $1500 is insane -A long time thinkpad fan
Lenovo is really starting to slip with the X200 series. The X280 no longer has a built in RJ45 port, RAM is not upgradeable, smaller battery and non removeable battery. It's starting to become an X1. I hope the X280 goes the way of the X240 with the horrible trackpad and they revert back.
Tony There are some benefits: - Mil-SPEC 810G standard. - Keyboard that is often said to be the best you can get on a laptop. - Both a trackpoint and a touchpad. - Small form factor. - Plus, it looks like it's made for work rather than to impress your friends. I was not able to find another laptop with those benefits (except the previous X2xx models).
The price is for companies. Nobody buys a new thinkpad unless it's a professional. When new, they are as reliable as it gets, and I wouldn´t be surprised if the support is good and extensive as well. It's about different things compared to a personal computer for home usage. Most people who have a thinkpad for home usage buy them secondhand, where they depreciate hugely in little time when companies just get rid of them for little. Then they become a great option. You can buy a 5 yo Thinkpad for less than 200 dollars.
I think a lot of Thinkpad fans wait a year or more before considering buying one since they become significantly cheaper. If it must be bought new, there's a corporate discount code floating around on 4chan and reddit.
+Lon.TV Are you sere that the x280 is made out of metal? My x250 is definitely made out of plastic which gives a very cheap and scratches a loter faster.
Heavily depends on what you use a laptop for, and what your general hardware requirements are. If you want a proper laptop that is balanced between performance and portability, has a good keyboard, decent screen, very durable, good hardware expandability/servicing, and has a long battery life then go with the ThinkPad T480.
Lucas Mokhtari it’s a business laptop. If your employee breaks the screen much cheaper to replace . They usually come with 3 years warranty at that price. Built for employees that may be rough with their laptops, certainly better bet than a Surface Pro for durability. Plenty of deals from resellers, I usually get 50% off 4-6 months after release.
- Mil-SPEC 810G standard. - Keyboard that is often said to be the best you can get on a laptop. - Both a trackpoint and a touchpad. - Small form factor. - Looks like it's made for work rather than to impress your friends.
Lenovo is already making some robust, good looking and small notebooks which have great keyboard, good processors and battery life i.e. Lenovo 720 with 8th gen Intel and AMD Ryzen series so except Mil-SPEC 810G standard, this notebook has nothing great about it.
Yes, the 720 is good looking, which is why I wouldn't buy it. I hate to look like I'm trying to send certain signs (in a semiotics sense). It makes me feel dumb, so I try not to do that. Also, reviews say it doesn't have a great keyboard at all (1.2 millimeters of key travel, worse than on many entry level laptops). It also lacks native Ethernet. The X280 is certainly not great too, as they removed many features that its predecessors had, but it's still interesting for some users.
brinckau I have yoga 720 and it is definitely not bad if you don't mind to carry a dongle, keyboard is just fine and keyboards are personal taste. I liked the keyboards prior to 2012, don't like chiclet keyboards at all but can't do anything about it.
Thank you for the info. I've bought nothing so far, and the X280 is quite disappointing, so maybe I should reconsider the Yoga 720. The price is attractive after all.
The video is ok. BUT the laptop really bad. If Lenovo is making a computer like this for high school or college students fine. This computer for daily use and entertainment looks like a joke
garbage laptop, better just stay with x270 better off just get an xps 13 if it means I have to put up with the computer being stuck with the same amount of ram, and I could get better battery life and a bigger screen, nobody asked for a X1 like x200s series Lenovo, I'll just wait for the t480 to see how it comes out
I can't believe folks are still paying these high-end prices for laptops. When there are Chromebooks and mid-range laptops that can do the same job. Unless your company is buying the laptop for you to use I see no justification in spending $1500 for a Windows laptop. Its not even sexy, Lenovo should be ashamed of themselves. Hey Lon great review, thanks!
Some people, like me, want a non-sexy laptop. It's a computer, it's not supposed to be sexy (especially a business computer). And I hate to look like I'm trying to show off with my computer, or to look like I'm influenced by marketing ("my computer is sexy"). Also, Chromebooks and mid-range laptops don't have the durability of this computer.
No laptop is truly durable unless you purchase a Panasonic Tough-book. I worked with Lenovo laptops for many years and I can say they are not durable. The Lenovo Thinkpad X series was not made for durability it was made for portability. In reference to marketing, we are all influenced by marketing and unless you still have a flip-phone.
I have a Thinkpad X260. Removable RAM, removable SSD, removable battery, 1080p IPS screen. I have 2 extra batteries, I can go 2 full days before needing a recharge. This is not possible anymore.
X270 i las full X2 series notebook
How's the 260x for drawing and light games like wizard 101. Or should I get a surface go w 8gb ram?
Or should I get the new dell inspirion
W 8gb ram has a graphics card but can only use capacitive stylus?
True but x260 is dual core and x280 is quad core. That is important for some people. Depends on your workflow of course.
@@sdtechconsulting The comment is 5 years old. USB-C has changed everything regarding the battery situation and I can just order the laptop with the amount of memory I need. I am just expecting delivery of a Thinkpad T14 Gen 3 with Ryzen 6850 tomorrow (or thereabouts) so I'm way past the bulky batteries and removable RAM. Also, the current replacement for the X260 from back in the day I think would be the X1 Nano but I did not gather enough courage to gen one of those.
@@10mbc oh wow didn't realize it was from 5 years ago. lol. Amazing that you still replied. Either way, I am typing this on an x230 and also use a T440p. I love how easy they are to mod but tech has changed so much now that its easy to find good performing hardware with MUCH better battery life and more effeciency all around.
The T14 Gen 3 is one I have been really wanting for a while but its still a bit spendy. Still, those 6000 series ryzen chips are no joke. I wonder how the onboard graphics perform. I have an Acer laptop with a Ryzen 5 4600h and its pretty good all things considered. Enjoy the T14
There's a bit of confusion going on right now with Lenovo and their x2** series imo. They seem to be taking the laptop in the direction of the t4**s and ditched the attractive points of the x2** in the process: the hot-swappable battery, RAM slots, and ethernet. Given that the footprint hasn't been reduced like the t480s's has, I think the x280 is a tough sell over the T480s.
I think there's still appeal in the smaller form factor although the T480s does offer about the same if not more features.
I like the matte touch screen. I'd like that on a phone, or a Switch or a Vita.
Not a huge fan of Lenovo, but appreciate how thorough your reviews are. I don't know who else you have similar arrangements with to receive and review different manufacturer's, but it would be helpful for comparison purposes. Still holding off before I commit to buying my new laptop. Thankfully I'm in no hurry! May even choose a Chromebook instead since it would likely serve my purpose. Thank you for another honest review!
iam actually impressed by this review, very well done, and lot of tech info
That Sega Genesis on your shelf really takes me back
I have newer equipment and a built gaming rig but I REFUSE to give up my T520. The thin still performs better than expected after more than its fair share of years. Well built, classic design and in my opinion..better thought out and designed for users on the go. God I love it! lol the only bad thing is the speakers...what were they thinking?!
It is a business laptop, who needs speaker?
Thinks the designer
Damn they are keep going down since the *40 series. Thinkpads used to be about rigidity, upgradeability and good ergonomics or at least decent keyboard. They keep removing useful features from their laptops. This one by any means is better than x220/x230 besides the newer cpu and ram, most of the machine is worst.
Lenovo killed what made the X2xx series great :( No swappable batteries, no upgradeable ram? Fail.
Intel started to upgrade their processor's line because of the Ryzen competition, they knew that people and companies are heading to AMD because they have better new CPU's and Graphics, I'm getting the ThinkPad with the Ryzen Chip.
Awesome review! Could you also do one for the ThinkPad X380?
i feel watch an 90's tv serial
How about its cooling system!!! Is it same as the ThinkPad X201 Tablet or better ???
Soldered RAM :(
SirMango Lenovo is trying to chase Apple, wtf?
And failed considering the aesthetics/price considering what a 12" Macbook can be had for.
The X200 series is becoming like the Carbon X1 it seems!
Id like to get another Macbook as the old line-up has been great but the 12" has a really weird flat keyboard, and of course one port.. Which is also used for charging. So Im looking at these as an alternative. @@JayJayYUP
Thanks for the great review. Maybe you can get Lenovo to send you the next version of their AMD A-series thinkpads. The current model, the A275, is expected to get the Rizen Mobile chips. I don't expect it to ever be faster than the the X280, but if it is comparable in performance, it will likely save us a few hundred bucks.
Ryzen is using lesser power right?
8gb non upgrade-able ram and an i5 for $1500? i'd rather buy a macbook...
Inquisitor Rob yeah, this is quite terrible, I am really disappointed in Lenovo for this, 8gb non upgradable ram, and and i5 for $1500 is insane -A long time thinkpad fan
Toby Cowles I wonder how different the ThinkPads after the Lenovo acquisition would be if the Lenovo acquisition never happened.
twice as thick
twice as powerful
made of steel
They wouldn't exist now, because IBM would've already exited the PC business years ago anyway.
Lenovo have continually disappointed since 2012.
The **20 series was the very last of the good systems.
Lenovo is really starting to slip with the X200 series. The X280 no longer has a built in RJ45 port, RAM is not upgradeable, smaller battery and non removeable battery. It's starting to become an X1. I hope the X280 goes the way of the X240 with the horrible trackpad and they revert back.
I just got the X1 in and they feel very, very similar.
looks great but soldered ram is deal breaker
Why buy this?... non upgradable ram no gpu with 1500 price tag....
It's not meant for gaming,it's for business get the point
Tony There are some benefits:
- Mil-SPEC 810G standard.
- Keyboard that is often said to be the best you can get on a laptop.
- Both a trackpoint and a touchpad.
- Small form factor.
- Plus, it looks like it's made for work rather than to impress your friends.
I was not able to find another laptop with those benefits (except the previous X2xx models).
I bought one on ebay for $1150 I7 Quad core, 16 GB RAM 512 SSD. It's fine.
The price is for companies. Nobody buys a new thinkpad unless it's a professional. When new, they are as reliable as it gets, and I wouldn´t be surprised if the support is good and extensive as well. It's about different things compared to a personal computer for home usage. Most people who have a thinkpad for home usage buy them secondhand, where they depreciate hugely in little time when companies just get rid of them for little. Then they become a great option. You can buy a 5 yo Thinkpad for less than 200 dollars.
I know thinkpad has their fans, but that price is just too much.
I think a lot of Thinkpad fans wait a year or more before considering buying one since they become significantly cheaper. If it must be bought new, there's a corporate discount code floating around on 4chan and reddit.
Why is it SO EXPENSIVE?
Best and cheapest laptop/tablet with rear camera? Does anyone know, please respond.
Gone are the days of the X200 philosophy, I suppose. :(
16:10 went extinct
I wanna see an x200 remake
A good buy in 2023 for 250$ ?
i bought it for 200$ last month, pretty much can handle office work and some 3d design using autodesk inventor
+Lon.TV Are you sere that the x280 is made out of metal? My x250 is definitely made out of plastic which gives a very cheap and scratches a loter faster.
i think he meant the magnesium
xiaomi pro, Thinkpad T480 or X280, which one is better choice?
Heavily depends on what you use a laptop for, and what your general hardware requirements are. If you want a proper laptop that is balanced between performance and portability, has a good keyboard, decent screen, very durable, good hardware expandability/servicing, and has a long battery life then go with the ThinkPad T480.
Good review, look like a nice laptop.
Does this model have a regular size keyboard or a smaller one?
Full size
Where the hell does the adapter for an rj45 port plug into?
It would make a good Ubuntu Laptop for writing decent Kernel-based programs in C.
What happened to the intro song??????
If I was him/Lon I will take the video down add the intro, fix it up then upload it back to UA-cam.
720 p for a 1200 USD laptop in 2018, come on !!!!
Lucas Mokhtari it’s a business laptop. If your employee breaks the screen much cheaper to replace . They usually come with 3 years warranty at that price. Built for employees that may be rough with their laptops, certainly better bet than a Surface Pro for durability. Plenty of deals from resellers, I usually get 50% off 4-6 months after release.
Please i forgot password on this device and i want to how to reset it
"Older USB ports"
You mean normal USB ports.
:D, he is a mac guy, guess he is already used to the usb-c ports on his macbook ...
_REAL_ USB ports
Your videos do 60fps? Only showing 30fps here.
Only 30 for now
No ethernet port?
Ugly bezels, seems they just took a 13.3" body and stuck a 12.5" screen in it.
Lon, can you advise any eGPU?
See here: ua-cam.com/video/5CqyLtXaYf8/v-deo.html
Thanks!
Got 1 3 years later for 300€
1500 clams??? They lost me there..I can lease a new Dodge Challenger for 3 months for that!!! :)
how can I mount google drive on SYNOLOGY NAS 216J
AND plex can use goodle drive?
8 hours is still plenty for a full days worth of work.
every features of this laptop with that price point turns me off completely
Soldered Ram, Ugly thick bezels, Non-removable battery, expensive .... don't know what is so good about this laptop.
- Mil-SPEC 810G standard.
- Keyboard that is often said to be the best you can get on a laptop.
- Both a trackpoint and a touchpad.
- Small form factor.
- Looks like it's made for work rather than to impress your friends.
Lenovo is already making some robust, good looking and small notebooks which have great keyboard, good processors and battery life i.e. Lenovo 720 with 8th gen Intel and AMD Ryzen series so except Mil-SPEC 810G standard, this notebook has nothing great about it.
Yes, the 720 is good looking, which is why I wouldn't buy it. I hate to look like I'm trying to send certain signs (in a semiotics sense). It makes me feel dumb, so I try not to do that. Also, reviews say it doesn't have a great keyboard at all (1.2 millimeters of key travel, worse than on many entry level laptops). It also lacks native Ethernet. The X280 is certainly not great too, as they removed many features that its predecessors had, but it's still interesting for some users.
brinckau I have yoga 720 and it is definitely not bad if you don't mind to carry a dongle, keyboard is just fine and keyboards are personal taste. I liked the keyboards prior to 2012, don't like chiclet keyboards at all but can't do anything about it.
Thank you for the info. I've bought nothing so far, and the X280 is quite disappointing, so maybe I should reconsider the Yoga 720. The price is attractive after all.
The video is ok. BUT the laptop really bad. If Lenovo is making a computer like this for high school or college students fine. This computer for daily use and entertainment looks like a joke
Juan G. Sanchez standard issue corporate laptop, but damn those bezels are ugly
lon tv love u
garbage laptop, better just stay with x270 better off just get an xps 13 if it means I have to put up with the computer being stuck with the same amount of ram, and I could get better battery life and a bigger screen, nobody asked for a X1 like x200s series Lenovo, I'll just wait for the t480 to see how it comes out
Xps 13 is 1000% more upgradable and repairable than x280,
The XPS 13 has soldered RAM and soldered Wi-FI card. It's definitely not more upgradable than the X280.
Do the T480s hehe
No intro music again :-( Haha
Got a t480s with a Core i7 + MX150 8gb of ram for $1600 US. Yeah this one's a ripoff
builtin battery no thanks i stick with my x230t
i dont like the bezels
Cant upgrade ram...................... bye
why does it looks like its from 2005
I tell you thk 2005 thinkpaad is better in it's time
Almost like a swiss knife for a laptop with bells and whistles
It's a business laptop. It's not for the same target market as Macbooks, for example.
I think 1.46 is 1.1 kg
wowow
d-did he say... 1,200??????????????????????
1,500???????
I can't believe folks are still paying these high-end prices for laptops. When there are Chromebooks and mid-range laptops that can do the same job. Unless your company is buying the laptop for you to use I see no justification in spending $1500 for a Windows laptop. Its not even sexy, Lenovo should be ashamed of themselves. Hey Lon great review, thanks!
Some people, like me, want a non-sexy laptop. It's a computer, it's not supposed to be sexy (especially a business computer). And I hate to look like I'm trying to show off with my computer, or to look like I'm influenced by marketing ("my computer is sexy"). Also, Chromebooks and mid-range laptops don't have the durability of this computer.
No laptop is truly durable unless you purchase a Panasonic Tough-book. I worked with Lenovo laptops for many years and I can say they are not durable. The Lenovo Thinkpad X series was not made for durability it was made for portability. In reference to marketing, we are all influenced by marketing and unless you still have a flip-phone.
Yes we're all influenced by marketing, but not to the same degree. And yes, no laptop is truly durable, but some are worse than others.
specs are awesome but its.... not... very..
its ugly ok
This is atrash device
hahahaha those bezel in 2018. So stupid
the bezel is to protect the screen in case you drop it. without it the glass cracks upon impact.
@@maxlol0 BS. The x61 serie were approved by NASA and the bezel were 10 years ago thinner than this. Yes keep lying.