If we put merit or weight into how a player physically reacts to things, you will eventually devolve into what soccer (and sometimes NBA) has with flopping, acting, faking, etc. Just my 2 cents
@@jeremymorley5670 Agreed. But at 100+, there should be some sort of physical reaction. Thinking back to Jeter "getting hit on the hand" and reacting then...
In one of the views, it sure looks like the batting glove moves and reacts to some very light grazing contact. I don't think there's anything wrong with this call. Sometimes, calls can legit go either way, and this is one of those cases.
Watching it the second time in color, you can see the batting glove move a little. Not 100% sure he was hit, but there was enough to support the call on the field. Can't blame the umps on the field as they didn't have the benefit of slow mo video and didn't ultimately make the final call.
Doesn’t matter. When you step up to the plate if your hands are around the bat your hands are part of the bat it shouldn’t have been called a hit by pitch either way
@@austinsloger152 That’s a common misconception. If it hits your hands and you swing, it’s a strike. If it hits your hands while you’re avoiding the pitch, it’s a hbp and you take first base. If it hit the knob before grazing the batting glove, it’s a foul ball. In my opinion it’s too close to say for certain in these replays.
I came into this with completely fresh eyes and I could swear it hit his glove in the first replay. It just became questionable as it replayed over and over. In a situation where you can see it both ways in the replay, you should probably defer to the initial call on the field. I don't think the officials did a bad job here.
Anybody who sees it “both ways” on the same replay shouldn’t be officiating. Officials need a keen eye and a confident decision. You disqualified yourself with that comment
@@Blunderson Anybody who has umpired got a laugh over “seeing it both ways”. There’s only one right answer. And if you are not sure you need to be confident and sell it. Not an expert - just did the job like a lot of people who watch this channel. Thanks for commenting
@@drdrew3 then as a former umpire you should understand that when a team (cardinals) has been intentionally beaming the other team (mets) all season, this call is always going to go in the mets favor. pete personally got drilled in the head by the cardinals earlier this season
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The question is what the objective use of the rule is. Could have been the softest graze of all time that only brushed the glove and not any hand. Should that be counted as HBP? Rules yes, feeling is no. Could also have been used to morally punish a pitcher getting dangerously up and in on a 100+
Yeah I don't get why the manager got so mad that Alonso managed to dodge a dangerously inside fastball. In these sorts of situations I would say umps have a pass on making the "wrong call".
Yeah like it was a pretty aggressive dodge attempt by Alonso. Spirit of the play and call, kinda feels like HBP, even if it was a whiff of glove fluff.
I look at it as it hit the bat first. I don't think it hit his glove, but if it did, it was no longer a pitch hitting him. It was a foul ball. That being said, wild pitch, and yeah, the ump is probably sending a message to the pitcher in some way.
@@kelpklepto the manager isn’t mad that he dodged a up and in fastball. Balls get away from pitchers it happens. He was mad because he challenged the call on the field and it didn’t go his way.
If it hits the bat first and then grazes the glove, it's a foul ball. Ump had a mitt in his line of sight but Alonso had zero reaction for allegedly getting hit by a 101mph fast ball that supposedly ricocheted off of his hand. He should have made a better judgement call. I know, I know "well, it was so far inside that you punish the team that messed up there." Not always. Use a little logic.
I'm a Mets fan and i literally said "Damn its inevitable he's going to get out in this at-bat since it wasn't a HBP". I was so shocked it was called a HBP.
@@Wers11111 it’s possible that it hit him, but it primarily hit the knob of the bat. On my small iPhone screen I can’t see any air gap between the ball and the hand. If that is what was seen in the replay center as well then I understand how the call could stand for lack of convincing evidence. If the ball just barely grazes the fabric of the batting glove it is a HBP, same as if the ball just touches loose part of a short sleeve jersey.
I think it did hit him after it hit the bat (hit the knob then nicked his finger) plus even getting the nob of ur bat getting hit from 101 would sting a bit
First off let me say I think the ball probably hit the bat before it may have grazed his glove. But, if it even grazed his glove first before hitting the knob of the bat, it's a hit by pitch, which is what the umpire called. Rule III of the Official Replay Review Rules states: Standard for Changing a Call To change a reviewable call, the Replay Official must determine that there is clear and convincing evidence to change the original call that was made on the field of play. In other words, the original decision of the Umpire shall stand unchanged unless the evidence obtained by the Replay Official leads him to definitively conclude that the call on the field was incorrect. It's questionable whether the ball grazed his glove at all, or even after the ball hit the bat, but the I don't see the replay as "clear and convincing" that the call on the field is wrong, so by rule it stands. Correct call by replay officials IMO.
@@Dave-yq7cj if it hits the bat first the automatically it's a foul ball. Also, they are arguing that it shouldn't be a call to begin with if you don't know what really happened. It should be a no call and whatever evidence since more supportive should be the call.
Wow, I didn't know fastballs up and in was such a rare thing to hit. That was my specialty in high school. I couldn't do much else so I just crowded the plate and either took the ball to the back or surprised the pitcher when I hit pitches that were practically at my face. Couldn't do much else though. EDIT: Thanks to everyone who pointed out that pitchers in the MLB are better than highschool pitchers. Obviously I didn't know that because it's some crazy advanced analytics. Can anyone also confirm if hitters in the MLB are better than high school hitters?
HS fastballs aren’t 95+, maybe you could train to hit them but I think the issue here is 95+ up and in is really challenging. It’s like .9 seconds to react? And to get on it inside means you have to swing like…. 0.3-0.45 seconds after release? That’s a tall order
Counterpoint: home plate umps tend to also take into account the sound made from borderline beanballs when making the call, and I think that should have some weight here even though the replay looked very much like it hit the bat end and the batter reacted similarly, it still is a little ambiguous. I would still probably reverse the call.
It hits the bat 100% no deny about that, BUT its does IMO also graze his hand. I would say it hit the bat first but a microsecond later it just ever so barely grazes his hand. If the rule is what the ball contacted first then that would be the bat. But if the rule is whether or not the player is hit regardless of whether it hit the bat first then ya he got hit. I don't know the rule but I would guess it would matter what was hit first, and if that is the case then from what I see it hit the bat first.
@@shiftangles it doesn’t matter if it hits him after the bat, it’s a foul ball, you can foul a ball off your foot and it’s still just a foul ball, no HBP. So in this case it definitely should have been called a foul, even if it did hit his hand after the knob
I know this is underrated, but a break down of Eric Haase's defense in the series final between DET and MIN would be cool. He protected the plate like a champ in a crucial point in the game, and the Tigers were able to sneak away a 4-2 victory
I learned they won't overturn a call unless there is a definite reason for overturning. So watching the replay it's got too much uncertainty so the play stays as the umpires initial call
Ump didn't see it, he was 100% guessing. Look at his eyes on the replay... catcher's glove blocks his vision, then he closes his eyes before the ball hits anything.
I assume they just do it on sound. On a play like that even seeing it clearly at full speed it would be really really hard to be sure you got the right call.
@@cadcncengineeringfabricati3497 I did too!! Good call! And that sound had to be ball on bat not ball on batting glove. If I was in the umps position I'd have thought it hit him too but I'd have also been self-aware enough to know I can't know for sure and the replay will lead me in the right direction. It seems like the human element of an umpires ego can still get in the way of the replay helping. Just my opinion
Replay is useless if it's anything like NFL. They allowed replays of pass interference for one year before getting rid of it because the refs were pussies and just never overturned it because they didn't want the rule in the first place.
@@CastlegarGlenn Shouldn't Alonzo have spoken up and said the ball hit the bat & not him? Isn't he just covering for his team by not speaking up? That seems like the same to me. Especially on a really close call like this. Also the review umpires may not have the same views & definitely don't have the same amount of time to review as Jomboy does. It is completely understandable for them to say call stands (meaning they can't confirm or reverse the play) on this play.
Jomboy, y’all do a lot of impressive things with your content, especially your lip reading. However, that montage of high inside fastballs was next level. Good work.
I think it might have grazed his hand, but definitely got more of the knob. It's kind of a tough call, but honestly, that ball was going 101 right at the batter and he's lucky to have gotten just enough out of the way not to be beaned by it outright. The review booth probably upheld it like others have mentioned to punish the pitcher for throwing it that close to the batter at that high of a speed.
Just look at his reaction, he would have reacted if it got his hand, but you never see him looking at his hand like it got hit, nor the trainer coming out to look at his hand. The clear indicator is his reaction.
Yep, big picture this was the right call for that terrible pitch. The replay wasn't clear, and the pitch would have hit him for sure if he didn't scramble. It still might have hit him, barely. Putting him on base makes the pitcher behave better.
first angle at 2:11 clearly shows it hitting the bat first lol. the handle of the bat bent and you can pause to see that it hadn't hit pete's hand yet dogwater reviews by the mlb, great review by jomboy (love that you remain impartial most of the time, makes it so much more enjoyable)
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It's way too close, it's either. Did it hit the bat or the hand first? Did it even hit the hand?....who knows. *I think the reasonable person in this argument is one who realizes whatever the ump officially called was final, since the footage (like over challenges in the past), it's not definitive enough to change. And this is a play you could argue went either way.
@@dunkzilla1 funny thing is, depending on how close that ball is, no one could and would know. Not even the batter. When a ball is in tight, you will feel the air passing by, so the batter could reasonably believe the ball did hit him when it really didn’t.
@@howardbaxter2514 You'd really need a top-down view at the right angle...I don't think the umpires are bad here, it's just too close to change because a HBP is literally just the ball touching equipment (at the least extent). And you really can't tell here. Not to respond for the other guy, but...
You gotta do the next one on the Mets v Giants 5/24 game!!! Most ridiculous game I’ve seen in recent memory…so epic, ALL the drama, ups, downs, a walk off….. ….the only thing that’s missing is…? Watching the abbreviated highlights/best moments with spectacular “jimmy” commentary and lip-reading. (Pretty please?)
I dont know the exact rules of baseball replay, but according to football where you need evidence to overrule a call on the field I'd say this was a good call on replay. There is no definite proof that it didnt brush his glove
Same with Cleveland's Andres Gimenez on a play at first base that freaking ended the game. He was safe and the ump called him safe which would have loaded the bases. The other team challenged and he was clearly safe/touched the base at the same time and somehow it was over turned!
1000000% agree with JOMBOY on not using the call on the field as part of the replay equation. The reason we go to replay is that the play was so close that the play on the field is questionable. Why would anyone trust the one looks at game speed of a play over several different angle using slow motion? Get three umps in the replay booth and if two of the three go one way then that is the call regardless of the original call. If the one that goes the other way really is against it then they can write a Minority Report and send it to Tom Cruise
This would be similar to a ball hitting the bat when the batter ducks from a pitch and the bat is still on his shoulder. It is considered a struck ball and play resumes as if the ball was swung at. If the ball strikes the hitter after the bat then it is a dead ball similar to a batter fouling a ball off his foot. He would be considered in foul territory. Sorry about being "that guy" Just reaffirming your correct answer.
You can see the bottom of his glove near his pinky separates from the bat. It’s possible that this was the ball grazing his finger, more likely it was the shock from the ball hitting the bat knob knocking it out of his pinky. From the replay, it’s not definitive enough to say that he definitely didn’t get hit, therefore he did.
Tbh they should have more padding. Situations like this one, but where it’s an actual HBP so often result in injury. How many great seasons have been lost or shortened because of a broken finger or hand? It feels like a ton I just don’t know any specific ones from the top of my head.
@@thomaslauterbach4684 No what? The rule is there needs to be overwhelming evidence to overturn... there wasn't. Just because it hit the bat doesn't mean it didn't also graze his glove.
The call “stands” is the one and only correct call for this challenge. It definitely hit the knob, but there is no evidence to say it 100% did not touch his pinky finger. Call stands aka no undeniable evidence to overturn the call on the field
I'm genuinely asking, how does that make sense? No ump would give you a base just because you are bigger than them in size. They are doing their job, made a decision on the evidence they saw and then the video replay showed they were correct.
@@mlbashanti8885 It was a joke in reference to one of Pete's post game interviews, where he said "I'm a big strong guy, I could put somebody in the hospital if I really wanted to."
It can hit the bat and also touch his hand. Does the ball brushing against his glove while hitting the bat count as getting hit by pitch? If you jersey is loose and the ball hits your jersey but doesn't make contact with the body is it HBP?
it definitely TIPPED his glove, like the actual tip of the glove lol BARELY touched it, but it DID touch it. not worth a walk by any means, but it definitely touched his glove.
I think the reason they default to the call on the field is because sometimes it really is inconclusive, so there needs to be something to default too so they just go with that. The amount of things they determine inconclusive though is mind boggling…
Yeah, you have to figure that the original ump making the call had a different, often pretty good point of view than the camera. If the replay's inconclusive might as well go with the initial call, he mell have seen something the camera didn't.
Best part about this is later in the game Yadier Molina got a base hit and was on first and you can see him say to Pete " did that hit you" and you cant see what Pete says but you can see Molina laugh out loud while shaking his head.
I think they need to implement infrared cameras in baseball. Cricket uses infrared for when they need to figure out if a ball hits the bat (because the ball heats up the spot it hits), and on infrared even very tiny tips light up like a Christmas tree and are super obvious. Like here the knob would light up, but the key would be if the hand lit up as well. If it did, then it hit his hand, if not, then it didn't.
In my mind, it hit the knob, as the batter turns back towards the ump, he slides his hand down to the knob of the bat, just from muscle memory, and when the ump looks down, he sees his had on the knob, so assumes it had to hit his hand, because it is so far down. Right around 2:16, is when it looks like the ump focuses on the knob area of the bat.
High and tight fastballs are so hard to hit because it’s rarely possible for hitters to stay on top of that pitch. Especially in this era of baseball when all even the 9 hole hitters care about is launch angle. You can tell by the montage of Pete’s swings that he tends to drop his hands in preparation of getting under the ball to hit a moon shot. Can’t catch up to high and tight when your first movement is down
Based on the reaction of the bat after the ball hit it (and lack of reaction from Alonso), I'd say it's obvious the ball hit the knob of the bat, aside from the fact we can SEE it hit the knob of the bat. If a 100mph pitch hits you in the hand, you aren't just shrugging that off.
Alonso had his hand broken by a pitch during his final year at UF, but the ump refused to give him the HBP. Pete still got on base (a walk I think) and eventually wound up advancing to third at which point the TV cameras caught him showing his now basketball-sized hand to his 3B Coach.
The mets are so good at getting hit by pitches, even when they don’t get hit by a pitch, they get hit by a pitch.
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This has to be the best take. I’ve seen.
For so long we sucked at everything else we had to get good at something
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Everyone knows that when a 100 mph fastball hits your hand, you don't react at all.
I'm normally chuckling after I get hit especially after getting hit in the head.
That's what I'm saying
Clearly it hit him
101
@Ben Norton what difference does it make?
@Ben Norton It was 100mph fastball from Jordan Hicks. Go look again.
The fact that Alonso didn’t even react to a 101 fastball hitting him, even if it skimmed him it woulda hurt
@Matthew Trapane This!
Especially in the hand. That hurts bad.
No reaction, plus on the slo-mo you can see the bat slide up in his grip from the pitch. Definitely knob.
Stop with your logic and sense making
Honestly a 101 fastball hitting the knob of the bat should still sting.
Considering Alonso had no physical reaction afterwards, there's no way it hit his hand at 100+ mph...just my 2 cents
Your 2cents is the Million dollar bet. Replay with as lousy as without
He’s just THAT tough apparently 🙄
If we put merit or weight into how a player physically reacts to things, you will eventually devolve into what soccer (and sometimes NBA) has with flopping, acting, faking, etc. Just my 2 cents
@@jeremymorley5670 Agreed. But at 100+, there should be some sort of physical reaction. Thinking back to Jeter "getting hit on the hand" and reacting then...
You didn't see how he ran out of the batter's box? I would call that a strong physical reaction
No “horseshit” by the manager? Fire him immediately.
hey hey hey, go easy on him he is a rookie manager. He'll learn by the end of the season lol
In one of the views, it sure looks like the batting glove moves and reacts to some very light grazing contact. I don't think there's anything wrong with this call. Sometimes, calls can legit go either way, and this is one of those cases.
Spot on
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That's a lot of typing to tell everyone you're full of shit. The ball hit the knob of the bat.
It touched his glove. Hit by pitch rules dont say as anything about how hard you need to get hit. 🤷♂️
They also said "stands" as opposed to "confirmed" which just means there's not enough to overturn
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Watching it the second time in color, you can see the batting glove move a little. Not 100% sure he was hit, but there was enough to support the call on the field. Can't blame the umps on the field as they didn't have the benefit of slow mo video and didn't ultimately make the final call.
That’s also why he wasn’t in pain; still got a nick of the glove indeed.
No doubt it hit the knob of his bat. From this replay it’s impossible to say it definitely didn’t graze his glove too.
Doesn’t matter. When you step up to the plate if your hands are around the bat your hands are part of the bat it shouldn’t have been called a hit by pitch either way
@@austinsloger152 Your hands are not part of the bat, that's a myth
@@austinsloger152 That’s a common misconception. If it hits your hands and you swing, it’s a strike. If it hits your hands while you’re avoiding the pitch, it’s a hbp and you take first base. If it hit the knob before grazing the batting glove, it’s a foul ball. In my opinion it’s too close to say for certain in these replays.
@@austinsloger152 really? When did that become a rule? Didn’t see it added to the 2022 OBR
@@blake60ah41 never was a rule, still isn’t.
I came into this with completely fresh eyes and I could swear it hit his glove in the first replay. It just became questionable as it replayed over and over. In a situation where you can see it both ways in the replay, you should probably defer to the initial call on the field. I don't think the officials did a bad job here.
Anybody who sees it “both ways” on the same replay shouldn’t be officiating. Officials need a keen eye and a confident decision. You disqualified yourself with that comment
@@drdrew3 ok mr. Umpire Expert
@@Blunderson Anybody who has umpired got a laugh over “seeing it both ways”. There’s only one right answer. And if you are not sure you need to be confident and sell it. Not an expert - just did the job like a lot of people who watch this channel. Thanks for commenting
@@aaa69200 Totally disagree. Don’t quit your day job for umpiring
@@drdrew3 then as a former umpire you should understand that when a team (cardinals) has been intentionally beaming the other team (mets) all season, this call is always going to go in the mets favor. pete personally got drilled in the head by the cardinals earlier this season
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Same here except I used to watch games and now I don't have to because if something good happens I get it on jomboy
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The question is what the objective use of the rule is. Could have been the softest graze of all time that only brushed the glove and not any hand. Should that be counted as HBP? Rules yes, feeling is no. Could also have been used to morally punish a pitcher getting dangerously up and in on a 100+
Yeah I don't get why the manager got so mad that Alonso managed to dodge a dangerously inside fastball. In these sorts of situations I would say umps have a pass on making the "wrong call".
Yeah like it was a pretty aggressive dodge attempt by Alonso. Spirit of the play and call, kinda feels like HBP, even if it was a whiff of glove fluff.
I look at it as it hit the bat first. I don't think it hit his glove, but if it did, it was no longer a pitch hitting him. It was a foul ball. That being said, wild pitch, and yeah, the ump is probably sending a message to the pitcher in some way.
@@kelpklepto the manager isn’t mad that he dodged a up and in fastball. Balls get away from pitchers it happens. He was mad because he challenged the call on the field and it didn’t go his way.
If it hits the bat first and then grazes the glove, it's a foul ball. Ump had a mitt in his line of sight but Alonso had zero reaction for allegedly getting hit by a 101mph fast ball that supposedly ricocheted off of his hand. He should have made a better judgement call. I know, I know "well, it was so far inside that you punish the team that messed up there." Not always. Use a little logic.
I'm a Mets fan and i literally said "Damn its inevitable he's going to get out in this at-bat since it wasn't a HBP". I was so shocked it was called a HBP.
It did hit him
@@baseballcontent7543 where did it hit him?
@@Wers11111 it’s possible that it hit him, but it primarily hit the knob of the bat. On my small iPhone screen I can’t see any air gap between the ball and the hand. If that is what was seen in the replay center as well then I understand how the call could stand for lack of convincing evidence. If the ball just barely grazes the fabric of the batting glove it is a HBP, same as if the ball just touches loose part of a short sleeve jersey.
@@baseballcontent7543 No. Just no. Stop kidding yourself on this one.
@@kenconnelly773 I'm watching on a larger screen, and I do see daylight between the glove and the ball
Simple. Hicks threw that 101MPH. Even if it would have tickled Pete, trust me he would have felt that AND had a reaction.
YUP! He would have stated rain dancing if it pinched his hand between the ball & bat!
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I think it did hit him after it hit the bat (hit the knob then nicked his finger) plus even getting the nob of ur bat getting hit from 101 would sting a bit
First off let me say I think the ball probably hit the bat before it may have grazed his glove. But, if it even grazed his glove first before hitting the knob of the bat, it's a hit by pitch, which is what the umpire called.
Rule III of the Official Replay Review Rules states:
Standard for Changing a Call
To change a reviewable call, the Replay Official must determine that there is clear and convincing evidence to change the original call that was made on the field of play. In other words, the original decision of the Umpire shall stand unchanged unless the evidence obtained by the Replay Official leads him to definitively conclude that the call on the field was incorrect.
It's questionable whether the ball grazed his glove at all, or even after the ball hit the bat, but the I don't see the replay as "clear and convincing" that the call on the field is wrong, so by rule it stands. Correct call by replay officials IMO.
@@Dave-yq7cj if it hits the bat first the automatically it's a foul ball. Also, they are arguing that it shouldn't be a call to begin with if you don't know what really happened. It should be a no call and whatever evidence since more supportive should be the call.
Wow, I didn't know fastballs up and in was such a rare thing to hit. That was my specialty in high school. I couldn't do much else so I just crowded the plate and either took the ball to the back or surprised the pitcher when I hit pitches that were practically at my face. Couldn't do much else though.
EDIT: Thanks to everyone who pointed out that pitchers in the MLB are better than highschool pitchers. Obviously I didn't know that because it's some crazy advanced analytics. Can anyone also confirm if hitters in the MLB are better than high school hitters?
well pitchers in high school probably through a lot less hard than the mlb
Fastball up and in can be a scary pitch to throw imo. Especially if your control isn’t there
HS fastballs aren’t 95+, maybe you could train to hit them but I think the issue here is 95+ up and in is really challenging. It’s like .9 seconds to react? And to get on it inside means you have to swing like…. 0.3-0.45 seconds after release? That’s a tall order
I believe the caveat that Jomboy said, was high and in fastballs from a pitcher pitching from the same side (.55-.56 seconds).
@@steverennie5787 and on pitches 95mph+
Counterpoint: home plate umps tend to also take into account the sound made from borderline beanballs when making the call, and I think that should have some weight here even though the replay looked very much like it hit the bat end and the batter reacted similarly, it still is a little ambiguous. I would still probably reverse the call.
If thats relevant to the play they should mic home plate
It grazed the padding on the back of the batting glove. He didn’t feel a thing. But, technically it did hit a piece of his person.
@@13MRCHAINSAW agreed, you can see the glove rustle a little bit, could be from the air displaces by a 100mph ball but yeah not enough to overturn
Definitely hit the bat, but I think it's extremely forgivable to think it hit his hand
The live call absolutely. The replay not so much
I think it hit both ngl
@@ac_thunder_3237 Same. Honestly I can't tell if it hit or not.
It hits the bat 100% no deny about that, BUT its does IMO also graze his hand. I would say it hit the bat first but a microsecond later it just ever so barely grazes his hand. If the rule is what the ball contacted first then that would be the bat. But if the rule is whether or not the player is hit regardless of whether it hit the bat first then ya he got hit. I don't know the rule but I would guess it would matter what was hit first, and if that is the case then from what I see it hit the bat first.
@@shiftangles it doesn’t matter if it hits him after the bat, it’s a foul ball, you can foul a ball off your foot and it’s still just a foul ball, no HBP. So in this case it definitely should have been called a foul, even if it did hit his hand after the knob
I know this is underrated, but a break down of Eric Haase's defense in the series final between DET and MIN would be cool. He protected the plate like a champ in a crucial point in the game, and the Tigers were able to sneak away a 4-2 victory
The incredible amount of time these breakdowns have to take… much respect for Jimmy ❤️
Go help your brother
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@@thisismyspamaccount452 oh 😂
Lol
"Incredible amount of time," really???
Go visit a museum, dude -- look at the paintings and sculptures. Get some friggin' perspective, please.
Edwin Rios had a home run on a fastball up and in against Madison Bumgarner yesterday. Batting lefty against a lefty. It was an amazing swing.
I learned they won't overturn a call unless there is a definite reason for overturning. So watching the replay it's got too much uncertainty so the play stays as the umpires initial call
"don't make me part of your lie" just slayed me.
Ump didn't see it, he was 100% guessing. Look at his eyes on the replay... catcher's glove blocks his vision, then he closes his eyes before the ball hits anything.
I assume they just do it on sound. On a play like that even seeing it clearly at full speed it would be really really hard to be sure you got the right call.
It did hit him
I came looking for this comment.
Catcher's glove blocked his line of sight!
@@cadcncengineeringfabricati3497 I did too!! Good call! And that sound had to be ball on bat not ball on batting glove. If I was in the umps position I'd have thought it hit him too but I'd have also been self-aware enough to know I can't know for sure and the replay will lead me in the right direction. It seems like the human element of an umpires ego can still get in the way of the replay helping. Just my opinion
00:56 when the ball hits the umpire in the face. That shit had me rolling 🤣 💀 😂
The ball definitely hit the bat, but I thought it brushed his glove a little bit.
Same. No hand hit but a slight touch to the pad on his hand.
@@daifeichu Yep, the moment before it hit the knob it kissed the batting glove.
In that case, it was the right call, hit by pitch.
@@dearjah4321 After hitting the bat it touched his hand.
It hit his bat than his gloves. That’s a foul ball
My favorite part is the umpire closing his eyes as it’s happening. And then ruling that it got his hand.
Came to post this.
That definitely hit the knob first.
man, this channel is just so good
0:56 that poor ump
I've learned to not second guess replay, those clowns are just as unpredictable as the guys on the field.
You do know it's the same clowns? Regular umps do rotations as replay officials. With their main objective being covering each other's asses.
Replay is useless if it's anything like NFL. They allowed replays of pass interference for one year before getting rid of it because the refs were pussies and just never overturned it because they didn't want the rule in the first place.
@@CastlegarGlenn Shouldn't Alonzo have spoken up and said the ball hit the bat & not him? Isn't he just covering for his team by not speaking up? That seems like the same to me. Especially on a really close call like this.
Also the review umpires may not have the same views & definitely don't have the same amount of time to review as Jomboy does. It is completely understandable for them to say call stands (meaning they can't confirm or reverse the play) on this play.
Jomboy, y’all do a lot of impressive things with your content, especially your lip reading. However, that montage of high inside fastballs was next level. Good work.
Right? Like how much more work and time does it take to come up with all of those clips? A “little thing” that is actually pretty big.
Found this guy recently and I’m having an amazing time
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Do a breakdown of the roof leak in the Warriors Mavs game
That montage of up and in fastballs was memorizing.
I think it might have grazed his hand, but definitely got more of the knob. It's kind of a tough call, but honestly, that ball was going 101 right at the batter and he's lucky to have gotten just enough out of the way not to be beaned by it outright. The review booth probably upheld it like others have mentioned to punish the pitcher for throwing it that close to the batter at that high of a speed.
Just look at his reaction, he would have reacted if it got his hand, but you never see him looking at his hand like it got hit, nor the trainer coming out to look at his hand. The clear indicator is his reaction.
Yep, big picture this was the right call for that terrible pitch. The replay wasn't clear, and the pitch would have hit him for sure if he didn't scramble. It still might have hit him, barely. Putting him on base makes the pitcher behave better.
first angle at 2:11 clearly shows it hitting the bat first lol. the handle of the bat bent and you can pause to see that it hadn't hit pete's hand yet
dogwater reviews by the mlb, great review by jomboy (love that you remain impartial most of the time, makes it so much more enjoyable)
It may have touched the glove's fabric but he probably didn't even feel it. lol
Hey @jomboymedia very cool of you to include the disclaimer/warning for gambling addiction
I see there is a lot of gambling nowadays with its legalization and it’s gone from a dirty little secret to main stream commercials during the 7 o clock news
But like anything fun it is important to practice it in moderation and to know that when the fun stops…so should you
Nice of you to include that (I don’t know if it is required or he chose to do it just saying it’s nice to see)
Can you breakdown the “Jackie Robinson” bench clearing incident?
He's not going to do it.
Really don’t need it. No matter what he says someone is going to be mad and throw a fit in the comments.
Jomboy: “Are you high? I’m not touching that!”
We already know what happened and the context behind the incident. It’s not necessary. Why exacerbate things?
I agree, was hoping Jomboy would read Grandal and Donaldsons lips and see what they were saying on the field 😂
Nice editing!
Love whenever Jomboy brings the deep analytics
Please do a video on the Mets/Giants game from Tuesday May 24th. Probably the craziest game i've ever seen.
It's way too close, it's either.
Did it hit the bat or the hand first? Did it even hit the hand?....who knows.
*I think the reasonable person in this argument is one who realizes whatever the ump officially called was final, since the footage (like over challenges in the past), it's not definitive enough to change. And this is a play you could argue went either way.
Someone should fucking know
@@dunkzilla1 funny thing is, depending on how close that ball is, no one could and would know. Not even the batter. When a ball is in tight, you will feel the air passing by, so the batter could reasonably believe the ball did hit him when it really didn’t.
@@howardbaxter2514 You'd really need a top-down view at the right angle...I don't think the umpires are bad here, it's just too close to change because a HBP is literally just the ball touching equipment (at the least extent). And you really can't tell here. Not to respond for the other guy, but...
I gotta give you props...I don't even really like baseball, but your breakdowns are great.
If it were an NBA or soccer player, you would've seen him go down and writhe in pain after getting hit on the knob of the bat.
Lol, you're right. He wanted another pitch/chance to smash it, like most MLB players.
If it were Lebron, he would still be crying
You gotta do the next one on the Mets v Giants 5/24 game!!! Most ridiculous game I’ve seen in recent memory…so epic, ALL the drama, ups, downs, a walk off…..
….the only thing that’s missing is…? Watching the abbreviated highlights/best moments with spectacular “jimmy” commentary and lip-reading.
(Pretty please?)
I dont know the exact rules of baseball replay, but according to football where you need evidence to overrule a call on the field I'd say this was a good call on replay. There is no definite proof that it didnt brush his glove
I’d say that was pretty definite that it hit his bat
@@thomaslauterbach4684 I’d say you’re wrong
@@thomaslauterbach4684 could've hit both, not saying it did but it could've hit the bat and grazed his finger
Definitely hit the bat, but might’ve skimmed his hand as well
@@alexnmueller96 it hit hand first bud calm down
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Not going to do the whole tim anderson vs josh Donaldson situation??? Thought I would have seen that video by now..let's get it Jomboy!!
the evidence would be him screaming on the ground,
if the ball bounced like that off your hand you would probably have a chipped bone
It could have graved his glove, and he could have possibly barely felt it if he felt it at all.
Same with Cleveland's Andres Gimenez on a play at first base that freaking ended the game. He was safe and the ump called him safe which would have loaded the bases. The other team challenged and he was clearly safe/touched the base at the same time and somehow it was over turned!
MLB replay, fucking up overturning calls since 2008!
Man love the content
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1000000% agree with JOMBOY on not using the call on the field as part of the replay equation. The reason we go to replay is that the play was so close that the play on the field is questionable.
Why would anyone trust the one looks at game speed of a play over several different angle using slow motion? Get three umps in the replay booth and if two of the three go one way then that is the call regardless of the original call. If the one that goes the other way really is against it then they can write a Minority Report and send it to Tom Cruise
To be honest. It looks like it hits both.
If Pete took a 100mph heater even slightly to the hand he’d be freaking out, that velocity pinching you like that would hurt like hell!
But he’s a big strong guy
It hit the bat for sure first. It might have hit his hand after, but that doesn't matter.
For sure though?
This would be similar to a ball hitting the bat when the batter ducks from a pitch and the bat is still on his shoulder. It is considered a struck ball and play resumes as if the ball was swung at. If the ball strikes the hitter after the bat then it is a dead ball similar to a batter fouling a ball off his foot. He would be considered in foul territory. Sorry about being "that guy" Just reaffirming your correct answer.
You can see the bottom of his glove near his pinky separates from the bat. It’s possible that this was the ball grazing his finger, more likely it was the shock from the ball hitting the bat knob knocking it out of his pinky. From the replay, it’s not definitive enough to say that he definitely didn’t get hit, therefore he did.
Umpire needs to use common sense. If it hit him at 101, Pete would have at least showed some reaction. Probably a broken bone.
@The Rotten💯 yeah that's true, never thought about that
Extra padding on the glove is good for protecting against being hit, and for getting grazed when it otherwise would've been a foul ball and a strike!
Tbh they should have more padding. Situations like this one, but where it’s an actual HBP so often result in injury. How many great seasons have been lost or shortened because of a broken finger or hand? It feels like a ton I just don’t know any specific ones from the top of my head.
@@travisp5747 I do agree. I have nothing against it
Definitely hit the bat but definitely possible it also hit his glove. Therefore, not enough to overturn the call.
No
@@thomaslauterbach4684 No what? The rule is there needs to be overwhelming evidence to overturn... there wasn't. Just because it hit the bat doesn't mean it didn't also graze his glove.
@@silvershot07 If it hit the bat first, it would be a foul ball.
That’s what I thought at first but if look close there’s a little space between his glove and the ball
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As a Mets fan, I can honestly say that hit his forearm…
I thought it brushed his nose
@@hahaimasian I think it clipped his toe a little bit
Jomboy you gotta breakdown the Mets vs. Giants game... it was CRAZY!!!
The call “stands” is the one and only correct call for this challenge. It definitely hit the knob, but there is no evidence to say it 100% did not touch his pinky finger. Call stands aka no undeniable evidence to overturn the call on the field
The force of the ball makes the shaft slide up through his hands.
The umps were probably like "he could put us in the hospital if he wanted to" so we'll just give him the base
I'm genuinely asking, how does that make sense? No ump would give you a base just because you are bigger than them in size. They are doing their job, made a decision on the evidence they saw and then the video replay showed they were correct.
@@mlbashanti8885 It was a joke in reference to one of Pete's post game interviews, where he said "I'm a big strong guy, I could put somebody in the hospital if I really wanted to."
Love you Jomboy! Tim Anderson / Josh Donaldson breakdown in the pipeline?
Criticize MLB all you want, but I think it's heartwarming that they're employing the visually impaired.
If you think you (or anyone) could have made a perfect call on that one live, you're really overestimating your eyesight.
@@mattt6201 With all due respect, an eyeless cave fish could have called that correctly, Mr. Hernandez.
@@mattt6201 Sure, but they didn't get it right on the replay which was pretty clear
Does anyone know who the best up and in Fb hitter is in the league? That would be interesting and think dude deserves props.
can we just appreciate the work Jomboy puts into that reel of fast balls up and in against Alonso
So glad we have instant replay.
If it hit Alonso, he would have reacted like it did
It can hit the bat and also touch his hand. Does the ball brushing against his glove while hitting the bat count as getting hit by pitch? If you jersey is loose and the ball hits your jersey but doesn't make contact with the body is it HBP?
You’d know if that hit him. Dude woulda been feeling his hand to make sure it wasn’t even the slightest hurt. Definitely hit bat. I’m a Mets fan btw.
Grazed off the side of the glove just before hitting the bat.
You can make out the direction change in the ball from the contact with the glove.
it definitely TIPPED his glove, like the actual tip of the glove lol BARELY touched it, but it DID touch it. not worth a walk by any means, but it definitely touched his glove.
If it didn't hit the bat but barely touched his glove, the correct call would be HBP.
I can’t wait for the Jomboy breakdown of this play.
Foul ball
I would really a camera and mic on in the review room of national sport leagues just to understand what is the thought process of the guys in there.
As a Mets fan , this is extremely disrespectful. They obviously threw at him and he got drilled in his face. Should’ve ejected Hicks
Lol I hope you’re being sarcastic
No joke, the same play in my game yesterday but the difference was that it was two strikes and our catcher caught the ball.
Jomboy the only entity keeping MLB honest these days lol
I think the reason they default to the call on the field is because sometimes it really is inconclusive, so there needs to be something to default too so they just go with that. The amount of things they determine inconclusive though is mind boggling…
Yeah, you have to figure that the original ump making the call had a different, often pretty good point of view than the camera. If the replay's inconclusive might as well go with the initial call, he mell have seen something the camera didn't.
Best part about this is later in the game Yadier Molina got a base hit and was on first and you can see him say to Pete " did that hit you" and you cant see what Pete says but you can see Molina laugh out loud while shaking his head.
0:57 Geez... Umpire got nailed in the face.
I know nothing about baseball, i come here for the Jomboy's awesomeness.
Remember all the replays are done in New York.
Can u please break down Pujols and yadi pitching?
I think they need to implement infrared cameras in baseball.
Cricket uses infrared for when they need to figure out if a ball hits the bat (because the ball heats up the spot it hits), and on infrared even very tiny tips light up like a Christmas tree and are super obvious.
Like here the knob would light up, but the key would be if the hand lit up as well. If it did, then it hit his hand, if not, then it didn't.
You can see the bat bounce back in his hands from the force of the ball… HITTING THE KNOB.
In my mind, it hit the knob, as the batter turns back towards the ump, he slides his hand down to the knob of the bat, just from muscle memory, and when the ump looks down, he sees his had on the knob, so assumes it had to hit his hand, because it is so far down. Right around 2:16, is when it looks like the ump focuses on the knob area of the bat.
It definitely looked like it hit mostly the knob of the bat, but it's quite possible that it also slightly grazed his finger and/or hand as well.
Hope we get one of that Mets/Giants game the other night
High and tight fastballs are so hard to hit because it’s rarely possible for hitters to stay on top of that pitch. Especially in this era of baseball when all even the 9 hole hitters care about is launch angle. You can tell by the montage of Pete’s swings that he tends to drop his hands in preparation of getting under the ball to hit a moon shot. Can’t catch up to high and tight when your first movement is down
Based on the reaction of the bat after the ball hit it (and lack of reaction from Alonso), I'd say it's obvious the ball hit the knob of the bat, aside from the fact we can SEE it hit the knob of the bat. If a 100mph pitch hits you in the hand, you aren't just shrugging that off.
Hey man you should review this again. IT does hit the hand look at the nike logo it gets scewed a bit when the ball hits the glove.
Alonso had his hand broken by a pitch during his final year at UF, but the ump refused to give him the HBP. Pete still got on base (a walk I think) and eventually wound up advancing to third at which point the TV cameras caught him showing his now basketball-sized hand to his 3B Coach.
“Don’t make me part of your lie!” 😂
Any chance your gonna do Yankees and White Sox breakdown?
That up and in stat is freakin wicked