Speaking as a now 60 year old woman who was sexually abused by adult men from the time I was 3 until I turned 16, this caller not only disgusts and appals me, he actively frightens me. Pascal’s Wager has long struck me as silly - how stupid do they think their god is? - but this is the first time the full horror of it has hit me.
That's the reason I will never support any religion or idiology that makes any form of abuse justifiable. And yes, it kind of shows the warped thinking, "I can trick god", which is so absurd on so many levels. If you think you can trick god, what else are you doing? The alternative is that god is okay with being lied to, that god doesn't want real love, he just wants submission and hear the words spoken out. Which is what abusers do to you. And they worship that? That is truly horror.
When I hear a life story like yours, Kathy, I never know how to saw how SORRY I am about what has happened. No words that I can think of, ever seem even close to adequate. I do hope that the perpetrators were punished appropriately - it doesn't take away your lived experience, but perhaps it might serve as an object lesson that will protect other children in the future. 😥
@@vertigo4236but even when it's not being considered "justifiable", it's still being actively hidden to protect the institution, rather than the victims. But you are right - the religious right (mostly, though there are some people on the left - wtf?) are again pushing to maintain or recover the "right" of 40 year old men to marry little girls, all across the US. So much for "think of the children". Hypocrisy.
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Yeah, the problem is that we need wordings like "informed enthusiastic consent", because someone will take plain consent and break it down to "but she said yes". Abusers will try to find a way through every system. To use the system. And oh yes, the left has its own problems, the Horseshoe theory is not something I believed in years ago, but today? Prominent people on the left in my country are shilling for russia, and repeat the same talking points as the far right.
@@vertigo4236 In the wake of the Jimmy Saville Inquiry (how fricking glad am I that my Fixit request was rejected) a commission found that religious organisations disproportionately held the higher numbers of abusers due to their tendency to provide unquestioned refuge and automatic defence to anyone claiming to be a member as well as a risk free hunting ground.
Life expectancy had a lot more to do with 1 death in child birth, due to being forced to have children so early, 2 infant mortality rates 3 death rates due to wars and killing driving down the age. Really should focus on the first with this guy.
Exactly this. Pretty much until the modern era with "peace, potatoes and penicillin" 4 out of 5 children died before the age of 6. Doesn't exactly do wonders for the average life expectancy.. But if you survived childhood, odds were you'd make it to at least your 60s.
Nah, they can demand it all they want. Demands for respect that isn't due are simply ignored. If anything, demands for respect come off as demands for ridicule.
"Just be mindful and respectful and don't upset the religious people." He’s clearly never watched a single episode of AXP. And if that’s his takeaway-**especially** after all the nonsense he said during the call-then he literally retained nothing. It went in one ear and right out the other.
@@robbyroba quite true! it's a common 'delusion of grandeur' where they think they're hot shite as they stretch their cognitive muscles for the first time, it seems.
My parents forced me to go at 7 years old to see my pastor because I wasn't able to "speak in tongues", fall down all over everybody, screaming and crying, knocking people off their chairs, jumping up and down, doing flip flops where I got a bloody nose from a chair thrown at me. This was unacceptable that I would run away from being hurt. My parents drove me to the pastor's house when his wife was gone and told me to follow him to a small room. He told me that Jesus said for him to tell me to get naked and get on the table. I was so scared, so I said it must have been Jesus. He began oiling me down all over......literally ALL over. I am an Atheist now and haven't spoken to my parents in decades. If they are dead, I'm sorry.....not sorry. I was 7 years old........ Thanks christians.. Oh, we were many that put that ass is prison
I am so sorry this happened to you. It's criminal and I wish we lived in a world that recognized the abuse and harm associated with religion, and that it was treated accordingly. I hope you can find things in life to bring you peace.
That's awful. I'm so sorry for what was done to you. There is that tiny silver lining though: the monster went to jail, where such people are... "not well liked"... if you get my drift. I don't know whether this means that there was "justice" (whatever that is, being that I don't believe that free will actually exists), but there is certainly an object lesson that might help future children avoid the same fate. Be well.
If 1 person says they saw Elvis Presley walking around yesterday, they are called mad. If 1 billion people believe that some dude 2000 years ago walked on water and came back from the dead, all of a sudden this somehow demands respect?
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk Since when do I need faith to not believe Jesus walked on water? I can dismiss it because of the lack of evidence, the same as I dismiss the claim that Elvis is alive.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gkfaith = complete confidence or trust in a person or thing. So no there's no need for faith in not believing Jesus walked on water. And your problem is you don't know the difference between claims and evidence. Or how to have a rational conversation.
What if the real god hates people who pray to it because it causes them headaches? Religion is so ridiculously arbitrary. There is ny rhyme nor reason in it. I honestly don't understand how anyone can believe in that crap.
Steve is an example of what religion does to people when he tried to defend sexual abuse of kids. I feel dirty after listening to him so I'll go have a long shower.
I mean, 1.3 billion people on earth have no problem with it. That's every 6th person who thinks it's okay if certain people do it. Almost as if religion is used as justification for the worst human tendencies. Pizz be upon him.
"Yeah, respect OUR religion, but dont expect us to respect other people's religion." I cant believe that now we are criticizing their ridiculousness, they had the gall to demand respect. I doubt many even remembers the religion of the various tribes in america that they disrespected and later erased from history.
Ok so i was thinking about this and i decided i want to give a real answer in addition to my silly lil jape. I'm assuming you meant "No, peace" as in "Incorrect, peace is the number on reason" But that sorta begs the question, peace from what? Anxiety about death? Worries about porpoise? Existential dread? To me all those seem rooted in fear. Rather then face those fears spirituality gives you ways to ruin from them. Anxiety about death? No worries! Just do what the religion, cards, cult leader says and you'll get a rad afterlife or a sick reincarnation. Can we prove it? No, but sure feels good and you don't have to face the fear of the apparent reality. Worries about porpoise? Just do what the book, prophet, or divination commands! No need to introspect and figured out what you really want or who you want to be. Just fallow the rules and don't think about it! You never have to face the fear of failure or have the conviction or strength of character to figure it out cuz it has just been handed to you. Existential dread? The myth, teaching, or dogma explains that away. You just do a you're commanded. It's all solved for you! It's all just running away from fear, discomfort, anything that causes disquite. Instead of standing firm against the bleakness and demanding the best of yourself. It's an out. An escape. A false peace made of honeyed lies so you don't have to face the fear. Like a coward.
The caller simply doesnt get the concept of contradiction. He draws zero conclusion from it. To him, all ideas are equally valid and thus reality is not one thing but also everything else as well. People like him will follow every preachers order in their vincinity.
@@joshsheridan9511 Nope. Greek mythology intrigues me, but I sure as hell don’t respect the Greek gods or their heroes. I can see a lot of similarities between the characters in Greek myth and the ones in the Abrahamic texts, though.
If by "respect his standards," Steve means "abuse everyone in foreign lands who isn't like me, force them to convert if they do not want to be purged, and then purge them even if they do, on top of maintaining this for hundreds, if not thousands, of years while also throwing in committing some CSA in the meantime," then I'm not quite sure that Steve would want me to do that.
why respect ideologies that are based on irrationality and faith and also support tribalism, slavery, misogyny and oppress people on the basis of 'them' vs 'us'.
i feel so isolated as an atheist teenager in the middle east you guys, my family members and my friends are muslims, my friends know about my beliefs but the amount of pressure i get to respect their beliefs just because theyre in the majority is crazy
God's followers are making the rules for god. You are not obeying god, you are obeying those who claim to speak for god and threaten you. They demand that you listen to them, obey them and give to them power over your life and to give them money. Please just take a step back and look at how the followers of god live their lives. Better clothes than you have, nicer cars, homes.
Steve seemed to be way too focused on sleeping with children... can we send a welfare check for all the children in his area? maybe an investigation into his activities?
Pascal’s Wager requires a belief in a God. Most religious movements claim to be exclusively correct to the exclusion of all others. It's impossible to 'hedge your bets.'
His entire rationale for ‘respecting’ all religions, no matter how objectively terrible and harmful their doctrines are, was just the completely selfish idea that he wants to ‘cover his bases’ and make sure he doesn’t go to hell. I’m glad it was pointed out that his chicken 💩 tactic wouldn’t work because several religions forbid even acknowledging the possibility that any other religion could be valid. His cowardly fence-sitting isn’t keeping him out of whatever he fears is the worst hell.
Where in Africa are people having sex with kids? It has never been part of our culture as Africans. I don't like this idea of using africa as an example of wayward cultures. Where did you hear africans have sex with children?
@animtres probably the same type of media disinformation that is repeated so often, it MUST be true for those who won't research anything for themselves....just like ' there is no evidence for God and Jesus is a myth'. I wish you well as you continue to bring truth and love to the world around you.
@@wwlib5390 There is NO evidence that your impotent lying god exists outside the Bible, and IF JC existed, he was just a guy whose teachings were exaggerated over time until they became the nonsense the Bible describes.
According to the UN child marriage is fairly prevalent in some cultures in central and west Africa. If they are marrying kids then the second premise kind of follows.
@@Sieil those are UN news, always biased as fuck when reporting about African culture. Am an african and child marriage has never been part of our culture. It's even more prevalent in Arabic cultures and even embedded in their religion but no, you won't use arabs to site examples of the backward culture. You people always think Africa is your shit hole that you'll always use to explain your mediocrity
hearing it second time around i realize how bad it really is. fictionalizing real life as if it was a simulation trivialized morality as if it were the simulation overlords test. which means that all the horrible immoral teachings in koran or the bible are completely trivial inventions in a not real life. simulation thought experiments or brain in vat or other such things are indeed interesting but, acting as if they're real and reality is not, is not acting in own and others best interests. it's worse that in such simulation the political fiction of particular gods of war is taken for granted.
This person sounds like a troll. It seems like he intentionally walked into every pit trap and gave the most awful response at each turn. I really can't tell if he's legitimately so far gone or if he's just trying to make religious people, especially Muslims, look terrible.
this video made me laugh, the caller made the most stupid argument I've ever heard of, people through history has different standers they do cannibalism, slavery, Genocide, torture, etc.... Should I respect all of that? Humility is required during prayer for Muslims.
I can just picture Jimmy JR after hanging up, going through the pigeon-on-a-chessboard-esque justifications in his own head for how this was actually a win for him.
@@jackwhitbread4583 No one made you get emotionally upset about my opinion, but you did it anyway and had to whine about it. Maybe you should ignore the chat on UA-cam since you need to agree with and be emotionally placated by every comment. So sad that you found a comment you don't like!
Please for the record, I oppose any prepubescent sex! that being said, there are POST-pubescent 9-year-old persons, If due to pregnancy or childbirth complications, women of an ancient nomadic tribe were dropping like dead flies, then men of this tribe could perhaps not exactly be so particularly selective of their prospective reproductive mate's age or lack thereof.
They are STILL TINY CHILDREN. 🤮 Being that there are girls with Precocious Puberty at age 4, by YOUR OWN STANDARD this means that it would be fine to marry and begin having... "relations".
Yes there are. Doesn't justify having sex with them on the assumption that puberty is consent. That it occurs is the original reason puberty blockers exist.
¡Emergencia! Si entiendes eres infinitamente importante porque se puede interrumpir la guerra publicando que el ateísmo es una falacia lógica. Mi verdad que te ayudará siempre es el ateísmo es una falacia lógica que asume Dios es la idea religiosa del creador de la creación y concluye erróneamente el creador no existe porque una idea particular de Dios no existe. Si recuerdas tarde o temprano saldrás del círculo. Spinoza tuvo razón. Solo existe un Dios o realidad y es para todos igual. Todos vivimos la misma realidad y cuando morimos la realidad continúa como fué diseñada. La realidad funciona de acuerdo a un diseño con unas normas o leyes. ¿Es posible estar equivocado? Tenemos una vida y es para siempre. Lo importante es disfrutar de la existencia porque somos finitos y lo único que importa es la eternidad. Piensa como tú hubieses creado la realidad, y es así como ha sido creada. La realidad es perfecta. La humanidad ha jugado con la idea de Dios inventando dioses sin saber Dios realmente existe. La idea de Dios no es una broma. Dios es realidad inteligente que decidió crear el universo o la vida después de haber existido siempre. ¿Para qué? La realidad importa infinitamente porque Dios o el universo es mortal. El juego es sobrevivir. La historia continúa con los hijos. Mientras la vida cree vida la historia continúa. Los hijos son el futuro de Dios y los abuelos el pasado. Dios es pasado, presente y futuro. Te estoy advirtiendo de los peligros del ateísmo y la religión. Te estoy intentando ayudar. Si piensas en lo que te he dicho te sentirás increíblemente mejor. Gracias.
For me, being an atheist just means I don't have to do boring AF God ritual activities like worship and prayer. As honestly I'd rather be out in the garden or walking the dog. But hey, like I always say, each to their own personal hobbies and interests. Peace Love Empathy From Australia ❤
@@tryme3969 your question makes zero sense, worth is a subjective value. I see no worth in pretending I'm going to live forever I see no worth in believing in gods I do see worth in facing up to and accepting my mortality. I do see worth in my dignity, integrity and honour, three things you gave away in a forlorn hope of an everafter.
of course. it needs only some evidence. you people have had thousands of years to deliver just a bit of evidence but failed. maybe you are the one to convince humanity that theists are right. im curious of your „complete new and never heard evidence for god“ - go!
@@RaseneisenNot just failed in providing evidence, but failed in providing a coherent moral structure that benefits all of humankind, not just those in their perceived in-group.
If a I phone has a creator, what makes atheists think or believe that the universe and all complex creatures cannot have a creator. Not many of us have actually seen a I phone created in a factory, but we know it has a creator without EVIDENCE of the creator! So how can you be 100 % CERTAIN that the universe and complex life does not have a creator?
OP has failed to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings. Kinda starting to question their intelligence.
And now try it with something we DON'T know was created. It's always funny to me how creationists compare something we humans made to something that was naturally formed, point to the made thing and then say "See, this was definitely created by humans, that means this rock must've been created as well" That argument is as convincing as I was the first time I tried to flirt with a girl in high school. You're basically comparing a banana and a black hole and are saying that because the banana is edible, the black hole has to be edible as well.
The Muslim god is not sane as Christian god. Jesus is either god or he isn’t. MAYBE Allah and YHWH could be argued to be the same, but the trinity god absolutely is NOT the same as either of the other two.
There is no Trinity God in the Bible, only later EDITS to the manuscripts. Further, being that they are ALL made up, there is no functional difference between the evolving polytheism of the Old Testament, to the _DERIVED,_ logically broken "God" of the New, to the _DERIVED_ logically broken "Allah" of the Qur'an.
God simply means highest being. Names like Yahweh, Allah etc… are just names given to god by different religions. They all claim there is only one god, one of the few things they actually agree on, so if there is only one then they are all praying to the same God! Chances are however that all gods are figments of man’s overactive imagination.
Actually the enemies of Muhammad never brought up Aisha as a bad thing. For 99.9% of human history, puberty= adult. We still have that standard for animals
Fun fact, the Christian hell is based on the Islamic hell. Basically, the Christian hell was similar to the jewish one. Then the church took the Islamic hell to scare people into being Christian
@@AndreaPearce-h1y you can't read huh. No, look at how hell is described in the bible. It was DIFFERENT for about 1500 years. Christians didn't believe in Hell fire
8:50 gotta agree with the caller here. To say Muhammad didnt exist is foolish. You can literally visit his tomb, I've been there. He was a merchant that later became a conqueror. Then the Islamic empire quickly deteriorated after his passing. This is human history
Well there is a tomb of Jesus and also Moses. Also various other religions claim tombs of their founders/prophets etc… including Sikhism, Taoism, Confucianism. So by your logic all these people existed?
11:11 well no, respecting Islam wouldn't mean child grape is fine. Puberty= adulthood in those times, so Muhammad followed the age of consent. So today, follow the age of consent
Mohammed was a pdf file. Islamic sources of the classical era list Aisha's age at the time of her marriage as six or seven and nine or ten at its consummation. In a hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari, Aisha recollects having been married at six years of age. Ibn Sa'd's biography holds her age at the time of marriage as between six and seven, and gives her age at consummation to be nine while Ibn Hisham's biography of Muhammad suggests she may have been ten years old at consummation. *That’s creepy AF, no matter what era.*
17:00 and Armin is lying here. Actually disgusting. Cant watch episodes with Armin, he's disgusting and a liar. Im an athiest btw. His Islamophobia over shadows his thoughts
@@thedave1771 Probably. Their hell for nonbelievers had to be nastier than the Christian hell because Islam is younger. In the competition for believers, you use whatever’s in the tool box.
@@kathyheyne6030 oh sure. But I meant that people that are only pretending to believe in Allah, but don’t really believe, will be punished worse than non-believers (including Christians). The “I believe a little of everything” is actually one of the worst possible approaches if someone has fallen for Pascal’s Wager: Islamic Edition.
The Muslim god is not sane as Christian god. Jesus is either god or he isn’t. MAYBE Allah and YHWH could be argued to be the same, but the trinity god absolutely is NOT the same as either of the other two.
Further, being that they are ALL made up, there is no functional difference between the evolving polytheism of the Old Testament, to the _DERIVED,_ logically broken "God" of the New, to the _DERIVED_ logically broken "Allah" of the Qur'an.
-"What if we pick the wrong religion. Every week we are making God madder and madder." Homer J. Simpson
One reason why Pascal's Wager doesn't work.
@@peterkropotkin6224 Exactly.
I can't believe this guy's defending S.A. of a child. Holy crap dude. Put the book down.
"B-but but you should respect religious people! Also the Muslim hell is really really scary!"
Yeah-- pull the book out of your ass.
This is what irritates me about. They demand a respect they haven't earned.
Or showed.
Um... grammar check please. I don't even think you make an actual sentence.
@@LetoATX your grammar concerns are of zero importance.
@@LetoATX
You would have to be a weak sauce Christian to type passive aggressive like that.
Your grammar isn't so hot either buddy. @@LetoATX
I've never respected the traditions of slavery or footbinding.
That one thing in Mulan 2, the sequel movie, where the princesses talk about "no pinchy shoes"
Factually wrong ideas and immoral beliefs should not be respected.
Speaking as a now 60 year old woman who was sexually abused by adult men from the time I was 3 until I turned 16, this caller not only disgusts and appals me, he actively frightens me.
Pascal’s Wager has long struck me as silly - how stupid do they think their god is? - but this is the first time the full horror of it has hit me.
That's the reason I will never support any religion or idiology that makes any form of abuse justifiable.
And yes, it kind of shows the warped thinking, "I can trick god", which is so absurd on so many levels. If you think you can trick god, what else are you doing?
The alternative is that god is okay with being lied to, that god doesn't want real love, he just wants submission and hear the words spoken out.
Which is what abusers do to you. And they worship that?
That is truly horror.
When I hear a life story like yours, Kathy, I never know how to saw how SORRY I am about what has happened. No words that I can think of, ever seem even close to adequate. I do hope that the perpetrators were punished appropriately - it doesn't take away your lived experience, but perhaps it might serve as an object lesson that will protect other children in the future. 😥
@@vertigo4236but even when it's not being considered "justifiable", it's still being actively hidden to protect the institution, rather than the victims.
But you are right - the religious right (mostly, though there are some people on the left - wtf?) are again pushing to maintain or recover the "right" of 40 year old men to marry little girls, all across the US.
So much for "think of the children". Hypocrisy.
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2
Yeah, the problem is that we need wordings like "informed enthusiastic consent", because someone will take plain consent and break it down to "but she said yes".
Abusers will try to find a way through every system. To use the system.
And oh yes, the left has its own problems, the Horseshoe theory is not something I believed in years ago, but today?
Prominent people on the left in my country are shilling for russia, and repeat the same talking points as the far right.
@@vertigo4236
In the wake of the Jimmy Saville Inquiry (how fricking glad am I that my Fixit request was rejected) a commission found that religious organisations disproportionately held the higher numbers of abusers due to their tendency to provide unquestioned refuge and automatic defence to anyone claiming to be a member as well as a risk free hunting ground.
Life expectancy had a lot more to do with
1 death in child birth, due to being forced to have children so early,
2 infant mortality rates
3 death rates due to wars and killing driving down the age.
Really should focus on the first with this guy.
Exactly this.
Pretty much until the modern era with "peace, potatoes and penicillin" 4 out of 5 children died before the age of 6.
Doesn't exactly do wonders for the average life expectancy..
But if you survived childhood, odds were you'd make it to at least your 60s.
You can't demand my respect, you can only earn it.
Nah, they can demand it all they want. Demands for respect that isn't due are simply ignored. If anything, demands for respect come off as demands for ridicule.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk I can respect a guy in a bra. Now try to stop me from giving him my respect.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk I step aside and you can pass.
That’s why I don’t call cops officer.
I call them by name.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk You got a problem with guys in bras?
"Just be mindful and respectful and don't upset the religious people."
He’s clearly never watched a single episode of AXP. And if that’s his takeaway-**especially** after all the nonsense he said during the call-then he literally retained nothing. It went in one ear and right out the other.
Much like people think they can just come in with a new idea when the hosts have probably heard it thousands of times already.
@@robbyroba quite true! it's a common 'delusion of grandeur' where they think they're hot shite as they stretch their cognitive muscles for the first time, it seems.
Dont you love when they demand respect when it is not earned.
My parents forced me to go at 7 years old to see my pastor because I wasn't able to "speak in tongues", fall down all over everybody, screaming and crying, knocking people off their chairs, jumping up and down, doing flip flops where I got a bloody nose from a chair thrown at me. This was unacceptable that I would run away from being hurt. My parents drove me to the pastor's house when his wife was gone and told me to follow him to a small room. He told me that Jesus said for him to tell me to get naked and get on the table. I was so scared, so I said it must have been Jesus. He began oiling me down all over......literally ALL over. I am an Atheist now and haven't spoken to my parents in decades. If they are dead, I'm sorry.....not sorry.
I was 7 years old........ Thanks christians.. Oh, we were many that put that ass is prison
...brave soul, you are.💖🇨🇦
still going to be a natalist even after that shit
@MODea-pq7ei no one deserves its beyond monstrous. I hope you have a long happy life and that your parents realize how disgusting that was.
I am so sorry this happened to you. It's criminal and I wish we lived in a world that recognized the abuse and harm associated with religion, and that it was treated accordingly. I hope you can find things in life to bring you peace.
That's awful. I'm so sorry for what was done to you.
There is that tiny silver lining though: the monster went to jail, where such people are... "not well liked"... if you get my drift.
I don't know whether this means that there was "justice" (whatever that is, being that I don't believe that free will actually exists), but there is certainly an object lesson that might help future children avoid the same fate.
Be well.
If 1 person says they saw Elvis Presley walking around yesterday, they are called mad. If 1 billion people believe that some dude 2000 years ago walked on water and came back from the dead, all of a sudden this somehow demands respect?
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk unless who did?
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk Since when do I need faith to not believe Jesus walked on water? I can dismiss it because of the lack of evidence, the same as I dismiss the claim that Elvis is alive.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk Do you need faith to not believe the claim that unicorns exist? yes or no.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk so my question was a yes or no answer. please if you could. otherwise im not wasting any more of mine or yours.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gkfaith = complete confidence or trust in a person or thing.
So no there's no need for faith in not believing Jesus walked on water.
And your problem is you don't know the difference between claims and evidence.
Or how to have a rational conversation.
I’m just gonna invent a religion with a worse hell than his and by his logic now he has to believe in my religion.
Demanding respect without earning it and not respecting anyone as if they are the only ones who must be respected.
i cant tell if caller is "trolling" or needs his hard drive examined
One things for sure.
Steve doesn't respect children's right to not be abused.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk WTF?
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk would you like to make sense?
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk nah you are incapable of making sense, and the only thing you do with books
is burn them.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk "you are now pro-life" There is no such thing as pro-life, only anti-women.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk
Do you need help?
You sound like you're having an episode.
Regarding Pascal’s wager:
What if the “real god” only gets angry when you invoke the wager?
Whoops.
What if the real god hates people who pray to it because it causes them headaches?
Religion is so ridiculously arbitrary. There is ny rhyme nor reason in it. I honestly don't understand how anyone can believe in that crap.
@@AndreaPearce-h1y lol. Just beautiful. 😂
I call it Pascal's Roulette for obvious reasons
Steve is an example of what religion does to people when he tried to defend sexual abuse of kids. I feel dirty after listening to him so I'll go have a long shower.
Anyone with a young daughter - this guy is available to babysit.
I wouldn't even let him babysit my daughter's barbie.
@@ogroncholmondeley1207 that was the vibe I got from him, too.
The fact people can be publicly defending this evil is epically tragic
Women lived well past nine back then, a huge chunk of the reason age expectancy was lower was because infant mortality was sky high
Pascal's wager is such a joke. Does anyone really think they can fool an all knowing god with false belief?
Wow, starting the call defending pedophilia...some people are really despicable.
I mean, 1.3 billion people on earth have no problem with it. That's every 6th person who thinks it's okay if certain people do it. Almost as if religion is used as justification for the worst human tendencies. Pizz be upon him.
"Yeah, respect OUR religion, but dont expect us to respect other people's religion."
I cant believe that now we are criticizing their ridiculousness, they had the gall to demand respect.
I doubt many even remembers the religion of the various tribes in america that they disrespected and later erased from history.
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he's like Benny from the first Mummy movie with Brendan Frasier. just a key-ring of every holy symbol "just in case".
That’s a good analogy!
Imagine living your life in that much fear that you're trying to hedge your bets of all the imaginary gods punishments
Steve you should take in consideration that God might be gay...............the ball is in your court...
How DARE you question my "reverence" for my Invisible Sky Daddy ??
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LOLZ
Gross. Respect people, not harmful belief systems that are also weaponized politically.
Wasn’t this guy in the film the mummy - wearing different amulets to cover all bases.
Number one reason for spiritual beliefs, cowardice.
No peace
@@DivinaeMisericordiae77 correct, it offers no peace. Glad you're on board
Ok so i was thinking about this and i decided i want to give a real answer in addition to my silly lil jape.
I'm assuming you meant "No, peace" as in "Incorrect, peace is the number on reason"
But that sorta begs the question, peace from what? Anxiety about death? Worries about porpoise? Existential dread? To me all those seem rooted in fear. Rather then face those fears spirituality gives you ways to ruin from them.
Anxiety about death? No worries! Just do what the religion, cards, cult leader says and you'll get a rad afterlife or a sick reincarnation. Can we prove it? No, but sure feels good and you don't have to face the fear of the apparent reality.
Worries about porpoise? Just do what the book, prophet, or divination commands! No need to introspect and figured out what you really want or who you want to be. Just fallow the rules and don't think about it! You never have to face the fear of failure or have the conviction or strength of character to figure it out cuz it has just been handed to you.
Existential dread? The myth, teaching, or dogma explains that away. You just do a you're commanded. It's all solved for you!
It's all just running away from fear, discomfort, anything that causes disquite. Instead of standing firm against the bleakness and demanding the best of yourself. It's an out. An escape. A false peace made of honeyed lies so you don't have to face the fear. Like a coward.
@@DivinaeMisericordiae77history shows religious beliefs don't lead to peace.
@@soistngcatstritchfavor
I'm more worried about the dolphins than the porpoises.
This video is a good synopsis on why the many gods objection to Pascal's Wager is so devastating.
The caller simply doesnt get the concept of contradiction. He draws zero conclusion from it. To him, all ideas are equally valid and thus reality is not one thing but also everything else as well. People like him will follow every preachers order in their vincinity.
No tradition deserves respect because of its age or being religious.
@@joshsheridan9511 Nope. Greek mythology intrigues me, but I sure as hell don’t respect the Greek gods or their heroes. I can see a lot of similarities between the characters in Greek myth and the ones in the Abrahamic texts, though.
My question is are you F-ing serious? What an asinine call
If by "respect his standards," Steve means "abuse everyone in foreign lands who isn't like me, force them to convert if they do not want to be purged, and then purge them even if they do, on top of maintaining this for hundreds, if not thousands, of years while also throwing in committing some CSA in the meantime," then I'm not quite sure that Steve would want me to do that.
why respect ideologies that are based on irrationality and faith and also support tribalism, slavery, misogyny and oppress people on the basis of 'them' vs 'us'.
Utterly vile
So.... Respecting Islam can lead to the violation of children's rights.
Rape not “sex.”
Roll up! Roll up!
It's time for Pascal's Roulette!
Remember to respect your croupier
Steve needs to have his computers looked at by the authorities
This was a pretty gross caller. No “god” covered under this pascal’s Gambit would fall for it.
i feel so isolated as an atheist teenager in the middle east you guys, my family members and my friends are muslims, my friends know about my beliefs but the amount of pressure i get to respect their beliefs just because theyre in the majority is crazy
What….. the fk. This is horrifying. How do you just sit there and constantly try to justify it again and again?
Yeah I think this guy might need to be on a watch list...
Steve wants to simp his way outta hell
I'm an atheist, I swear to God lol
God's followers are making the rules for god. You are not obeying god, you are obeying those who claim to speak for god and threaten you. They demand that you listen to them, obey them and give to them power over your life and to give them money. Please just take a step back and look at how the followers of god live their lives. Better clothes than you have, nicer cars, homes.
Steve seemed to be way too focused on sleeping with children... can we send a welfare check for all the children in his area? maybe an investigation into his activities?
The xtian god is very jealous. "I am the lord thy god. Thou shall not have any gods before me." Now, the caller is ending up in xtian hell.🤣🤣🤣
Pascal’s Wager requires a belief in a God. Most religious movements claim to be exclusively correct to the exclusion of all others. It's impossible to 'hedge your bets.'
His entire rationale for ‘respecting’ all religions, no matter how objectively terrible and harmful their doctrines are, was just the completely selfish idea that he wants to ‘cover his bases’ and make sure he doesn’t go to hell.
I’m glad it was pointed out that his chicken 💩 tactic wouldn’t work because several religions forbid even acknowledging the possibility that any other religion could be valid. His cowardly fence-sitting isn’t keeping him out of whatever he fears is the worst hell.
Exactly, if there were a god you'd think they'd see you hedging bets and not be happy about it lol.
This guy is living scared.
Yeah imagine living trying to avoid all the imaginary God's punishments 😂
Isn’t there something in Islam about a reasonably nasty version of hell being reserved for those that pretend without truly believing?
That Arabic greeting at the beginning was pretty off and totally unnecessary 😂
Another caller with peculiar speech
Hey Steve😤Islam is just as invented as the religion Armin came up with 😂🤷🏽♂️
Respect facts, shun fiction.
Where in Africa are people having sex with kids? It has never been part of our culture as Africans. I don't like this idea of using africa as an example of wayward cultures. Where did you hear africans have sex with children?
@animtres probably the same type of media disinformation that is repeated so often, it MUST be true for those who won't research anything for themselves....just like ' there is no evidence for God and Jesus is a myth'. I wish you well as you continue to bring truth and love to the world around you.
@@wwlib5390
There is NO evidence that your impotent lying god exists outside the Bible, and IF JC existed, he was just a guy whose teachings were exaggerated over time until they became the nonsense the Bible describes.
According to the UN child marriage is fairly prevalent in some cultures in central and west Africa. If they are marrying kids then the second premise kind of follows.
@@Sieil those are UN news, always biased as fuck when reporting about African culture. Am an african and child marriage has never been part of our culture. It's even more prevalent in Arabic cultures and even embedded in their religion but no, you won't use arabs to site examples of the backward culture. You people always think Africa is your shit hole that you'll always use to explain your mediocrity
Decent chunk of marriages have children involved in it, don't worry bud.
These marriages take place in Christian regions mostly
Steve is a pretentious troll. He reminds me of Beni from the movie The Mummy starring Brendan Fraser.
hearing it second time around i realize how bad it really is. fictionalizing real life as if it was a simulation trivialized morality as if it were the simulation overlords test. which means that all the horrible immoral teachings in koran or the bible are completely trivial inventions in a not real life.
simulation thought experiments or brain in vat or other such things are indeed interesting but, acting as if they're real and reality is not, is not acting in own and others best interests. it's worse that in such simulation the political fiction of particular gods of war is taken for granted.
13:06 of all the stuff armin says, steve instantly goes back into defending pedophilic rape
This person sounds like a troll. It seems like he intentionally walked into every pit trap and gave the most awful response at each turn. I really can't tell if he's legitimately so far gone or if he's just trying to make religious people, especially Muslims, look terrible.
this video made me laugh, the caller made the most stupid argument I've ever heard of, people through history has different standers they do cannibalism, slavery, Genocide, torture, etc.... Should I respect all of that?
Humility is required during prayer for Muslims.
This guy was so stuck on the justification of sex with minors part. Anyone else find that creepy?
I can just picture Jimmy JR after hanging up, going through the pigeon-on-a-chessboard-esque justifications in his own head for how this was actually a win for him.
Why do you bother with these fools? He's wasting everyone's time.
For the audience, so we can see the true horrors and harms of religion. No one is making you watch if you don't want to.
@@jackwhitbread4583 No one made you get emotionally upset about my opinion, but you did it anyway and had to whine about it. Maybe you should ignore the chat on UA-cam since you need to agree with and be emotionally placated by every comment. So sad that you found a comment you don't like!
Wow. This video needs a trigger warning, because this caller is extremely bad.
so what if its tradition to not flush on sabbath. very normal
😂 Paranoid by black Sabbath 😂
@@smochygrice465
Thank allah, you didn't choose War Pigs.😁
Please for the record, I oppose any prepubescent sex! that being said, there are POST-pubescent 9-year-old persons, If due to pregnancy or childbirth complications, women of an ancient nomadic tribe were dropping like dead flies, then men of this tribe could perhaps not exactly be so particularly selective of their prospective reproductive mate's age or lack thereof.
Huh???
Bullshit.
It's bad enough that believers try to justify slavery.
You are disgusting.
They are STILL TINY CHILDREN. 🤮
Being that there are girls with Precocious Puberty at age 4, by YOUR OWN STANDARD this means that it would be fine to marry and begin having... "relations".
🤢🤮
Yes there are.
Doesn't justify having sex with them on the assumption that puberty is consent.
That it occurs is the original reason puberty blockers exist.
¡Emergencia! Si entiendes eres infinitamente importante porque se puede interrumpir la guerra publicando que el ateísmo es una falacia lógica. Mi verdad que te ayudará siempre es el ateísmo es una falacia lógica que asume Dios es la idea religiosa del creador de la creación y concluye erróneamente el creador no existe porque una idea particular de Dios no existe. Si recuerdas tarde o temprano saldrás del círculo. Spinoza tuvo razón. Solo existe un Dios o realidad y es para todos igual. Todos vivimos la misma realidad y cuando morimos la realidad continúa como fué diseñada. La realidad funciona de acuerdo a un diseño con unas normas o leyes. ¿Es posible estar equivocado? Tenemos una vida y es para siempre. Lo importante es disfrutar de la existencia porque somos finitos y lo único que importa es la eternidad. Piensa como tú hubieses creado la realidad, y es así como ha sido creada. La realidad es perfecta. La humanidad ha jugado con la idea de Dios inventando dioses sin saber Dios realmente existe. La idea de Dios no es una broma. Dios es realidad inteligente que decidió crear el universo o la vida después de haber existido siempre. ¿Para qué? La realidad importa infinitamente porque Dios o el universo es mortal. El juego es sobrevivir. La historia continúa con los hijos. Mientras la vida cree vida la historia continúa. Los hijos son el futuro de Dios y los abuelos el pasado. Dios es pasado, presente y futuro. Te estoy advirtiendo de los peligros del ateísmo y la religión. Te estoy intentando ayudar. Si piensas en lo que te he dicho te sentirás increíblemente mejor. Gracias.
Same debunked spam in another language
For me, being an atheist just means I don't have to do boring AF God ritual activities like worship and prayer.
As honestly I'd rather be out in the garden or walking the dog.
But hey, like I always say, each to their own personal hobbies and interests.
Peace Love Empathy From Australia ❤
Please go back to spamming in English. Trying to read your broken Spanish is absolutely horrid. Even more than reading your usual spiel in English.
Yes we all know you're a walking talking fallacy.
Hey Dumdum, claims aren't evidence. Come back when your have _EVIDENCE._
Respect everyone, and love the family of believers.* Fear God, and respect the king.
-- 1 Peter 2:17
No, I will not respect everyone just because. You have to earn my respect. Also I don’t fear something I don’t believe just because you say he exists.
Peter Peter Spam Eater
You have a god and you can keep her
@@ZeitgeistOmega They're just trying to manipulate you by using threats don't bother they're brainwashed
No sale 😎
Fear Zorg
As an atheist, would you say that there is worth in non religion or atheism?
ANOTHER DUMB Presup whiny little b1tch troll here starts with a dumb question.
Following the footsteps of the DUMB ThongOfDavid.
LOLZ
Incoherent nonsense
@joshsheridan9511 Incoherent? Are you trying to claim that you don't understand the question?
Religion causes more problems than benefits. A world without religion being that important would fix those problems
@@tryme3969 your question makes zero sense, worth is a subjective value.
I see no worth in pretending I'm going to live forever
I see no worth in believing in gods
I do see worth in facing up to and accepting my mortality.
I do see worth in my dignity, integrity and honour, three things you gave away
in a forlorn hope of an everafter.
As an atheist, do you want to know if you're wrong?
OP has failed to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings.
of course. it needs only some evidence. you people have had thousands of years to deliver just a bit of evidence but failed. maybe you are the one to convince humanity that theists are right. im curious of your „complete new and never heard evidence for god“ - go!
IMBECILE ThongOfDavid asks dumb questions.
He gets paid a nickel for every reply he gets.
LOLZ
@@RaseneisenNot just failed in providing evidence, but failed in providing a coherent moral structure that benefits all of humankind, not just those in their perceived in-group.
@jayrose8638 So as an atheist, you don't want to know if you're wrong. Thanks for the answer.
If a I phone has a creator, what makes atheists think or believe that the universe and all complex creatures cannot have a creator.
Not many of us have actually seen a I phone created in a factory, but we know it has a creator without EVIDENCE of the creator!
So how can you be 100 % CERTAIN that the universe and complex life does not have a creator?
OP has failed to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods or other divine or supernatural beings.
Kinda starting to question their intelligence.
And now try it with something we DON'T know was created. It's always funny to me how creationists compare something we humans made to something that was naturally formed, point to the made thing and then say "See, this was definitely created by humans, that means this rock must've been created as well"
That argument is as convincing as I was the first time I tried to flirt with a girl in high school. You're basically comparing a banana and a black hole and are saying that because the banana is edible, the black hole has to be edible as well.
Your fallacious arguments are a you problem.
We know how phones are created. It's one google search away.
The fact that we have no evidence in the universe to having being created
This should be called "The coward's argument".
wow... this dude doesn't even know how to say salam alaikum
The Muslim god is not sane as Christian god. Jesus is either god or he isn’t. MAYBE Allah and YHWH could be argued to be the same, but the trinity god absolutely is NOT the same as either of the other two.
There is no Trinity God in the Bible, only later EDITS to the manuscripts.
Further, being that they are ALL made up, there is no functional difference between the evolving polytheism of the Old Testament, to the _DERIVED,_ logically broken "God" of the New, to the _DERIVED_ logically broken "Allah" of the Qur'an.
All the gods we make up tend to come across as insane due to revision and attempts to harmonise.
God simply means highest being. Names like Yahweh, Allah etc… are just names given to god by different religions.
They all claim there is only one god, one of the few things they actually agree on, so if there is only one then they are all praying to the same God!
Chances are however that all gods are figments of man’s overactive imagination.
Actually the enemies of Muhammad never brought up Aisha as a bad thing. For 99.9% of human history, puberty= adult. We still have that standard for animals
There’s NO way you can spin his marriage to and consummation of marriage with Aisha as a good thing.
@@tonyclements1147 my god, you can't read
@@Mavuika_Gyaruwe can read, and you're full of shit.
@@Mavuika_Gyaru
I can read, and if you’re defending him, you’re just as wrong as he was.
Fun fact, the Christian hell is based on the Islamic hell. Basically, the Christian hell was similar to the jewish one. Then the church took the Islamic hell to scare people into being Christian
@@AndreaPearce-h1y you can't read huh. No, look at how hell is described in the bible. It was DIFFERENT for about 1500 years. Christians didn't believe in Hell fire
What’s your source for this information? Because this information is new to me and I am pretty well read on this subject.
@@ZeitgeistOmega
He’s not going to give sources, he’s a “trust me bro” guy.
Do you have any sources on this?
Christian hell and heaven are rooted in the Hellenistic underworld and god domains.
So the Christian hell was based on the Islamic hell that was invented about 400 years AFTER the first Bible was written?
8:50 gotta agree with the caller here. To say Muhammad didnt exist is foolish. You can literally visit his tomb, I've been there. He was a merchant that later became a conqueror. Then the Islamic empire quickly deteriorated after his passing. This is human history
Not to every historian it isn’t.
He was an illiterate, warmongering, pdifil.
And you're an atheist? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
While unlikely the mythicism idea of Mohammed isn't totally ahistorical.
I prefer the idea of revisionism in an attempt to harmonise his speeches.
Well there is a tomb of Jesus and also Moses. Also various other religions claim tombs of their founders/prophets etc… including Sikhism, Taoism, Confucianism.
So by your logic all these people existed?
11:11 well no, respecting Islam wouldn't mean child grape is fine. Puberty= adulthood in those times, so Muhammad followed the age of consent. So today, follow the age of consent
Mohammed was a pdf file. Islamic sources of the classical era list Aisha's age at the time of her marriage as six or seven and nine or ten at its consummation.
In a hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari, Aisha recollects having been married at six years of age.
Ibn Sa'd's biography holds her age at the time of marriage as between six and seven, and gives her age at consummation to be nine while Ibn Hisham's biography of Muhammad suggests she may have been ten years old at consummation.
*That’s creepy AF, no matter what era.*
@@tonyclements1147 yeah just ignore 99.9% of human history. Nope, he followed the age of consent. Weirdo
@@AndreaPearce-h1y sorry I'm not white, that's not my thing. Weird that you would think of that stuff. The pdf file doth protests too much
I though you said you believe facts? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Mavuika_Gyaruyes you do.
17:00 and Armin is lying here. Actually disgusting. Cant watch episodes with Armin, he's disgusting and a liar. Im an athiest btw. His Islamophobia over shadows his thoughts
You should definitely write him a strongly worded e-mail, stop watching, and unsubscribe from the channel. Bye bye👋
I would say it's more Islamadisgust. Good for him. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 no problem lol. A bunch of zealots yall are. No facts, just whining
@@Childfree334 sad to see that they're cultivating an audience of racists and zealots. I prefer facts
@@Mavuika_GyaruIslam is not a race. And you've yet to demonstrate any lie.
Isn’t there something in Islam about a reasonably nasty version of hell being reserved for those that pretend without truly believing?
@@thedave1771 Probably. Their hell for nonbelievers had to be nastier than the Christian hell because Islam is younger. In the competition for believers, you use whatever’s in the tool box.
@@kathyheyne6030 oh sure. But I meant that people that are only pretending to believe in Allah, but don’t really believe, will be punished worse than non-believers (including Christians).
The “I believe a little of everything” is actually one of the worst possible approaches if someone has fallen for Pascal’s Wager: Islamic Edition.
The Muslim god is not sane as Christian god. Jesus is either god or he isn’t. MAYBE Allah and YHWH could be argued to be the same, but the trinity god absolutely is NOT the same as either of the other two.
It's truer to say the Jewish god and the Islamic god are the same god.
By the way *same
All versions of the Abrahamic god are insane.
There is no Trinity God in the Bible, only later EDITS to the manuscripts.
Further, being that they are ALL made up, there is no functional difference between the evolving polytheism of the Old Testament, to the _DERIVED,_ logically broken "God" of the New, to the _DERIVED_ logically broken "Allah" of the Qur'an.
No gods we make up tend to appear sane following continued revision and harmonisation attempts.