Using an 8" Tablet as a GPS | 2022 Ski-Doo Mach Z | BRP GO! | Go Snowmobiling Ontario App
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- In this video Mike walks through his tablet setup on his 2022 Ski-Doo Mach Z. Instead of using the Garmin Zumo 590 he had run in past seasons, he decided to make a mount on the glovebox extrension for his 8" Samsung Galaxy Tab.
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I ran my tablet in a modified, by me, neoprene case on the handlebars this past season. You will have to 100% have a heat source. I also used a rubber band around the usb c cord to keep tension on the cord. Unfortunately the usb is a somewhat fragile charging system for offroad use.
Being able to run different apps to access different maps and data were invaluable in navigating. Especially since we focus on getting off trail.
The biggest downside is viewing the screen in sunlight. I ended up creating a visit of sorts out of duct tape.
As a proof of concept a huge success. I will refine the system for this coming season.
Wow! Thanks for letting us know Chris! That's really useful info. Keep us updated as you continue to refine it. Cheers, Jesse
Great Sled videos - watch them all.
This one struck me funny tho.....I'm doing my best to be less 'connected' while away & sledding.
The last thing I want to see is more apps, contacts, playlists, etc.
We all have GPS on our phones & carry paper maps anyway. (when available)
All I need from the sled is fuel guage, temp guage & odometer.
Keep it up fellas.
Thanks Mattie! We appreciate the support and complete understand your perspective. For us, we love the tech. We enjoy listening to tunes, love having mapping so we always know where we are, how far to get somewhere, gas etc. and even can chat with the wife for anything while moving. Some like it and some prefer to be disconnected. We get it and its not for everyone! Cheers, Mike
I see this opinion around a lot, and I get it to an extent. But as the person who almost always is elected to lead my group... I just want to ride. I don't want to stop at every intersection to look at a trail map, or pull my phone out. I just glance down at my mounted GPS as I'm riding, pick my next turn, and keep riding.
People think that technology takes away from the ride. But realistically, it just allows me to put on more miles in a day with less down time. It's not like we are just staring at the GPS, it is a glance to know where the next intersection could take you, and then that is it.
Nice idea! Looking forward to hearing more about how it holds up in cold weather.
Thanks buddy. Stay tuned. Mike
I'm looking at doing the same thing with a 10 inch , I never saw a follow up . How did you like it I see you have gone back to a GPS now is there any reason you ditched the tablet
Interested to see how it does in the cold. May need to add a heating element behind it. Tuned YamaCat guys have used iPad minis. Some needed heat, so not. Also might want to source an anti-glare screen cover for those bright days. Nice job.
Hey buddy! You are right. Below -20 it doesn't really work. We are looking at adding some sort of heating element so that it can withstand the -25 or below days. Cheers, Jesse
Also check out next stage gauges out of Minnesota. He’s done this for quite a few years
Awesome. Thanks for the suggestion Steve! Cheers, Jesse
Pretty cool Mike!
Good idea eh? Currently working on a heater so it will work below -20. Hows ur sled? Cheers, Jesse
I'm going to add a separate comment to a reply I left as well for anyone curious about heating options for a tablet.
Simple solution would be to buy a seat heater pad pack off amazing (the pads themselves not seat heated "covers")
With the pads you'll need to incase them to protect from water damage but the benefit to seat heating pads is the option to control exactly how much heat is going to the pad, therefore not heating the tablet too much in some cases, Most will come with a switch and easy 12v hookup. I think it may be a game changer having a tablet for a dash if we can keep them on in -30° weather !
Hey dude! Thanks for your comment. Sorry I didn't notice your reply. We tried with heating elements in the tablet case and the tablet would still freeze and turn off below -20. After a season of trying different things it just didn't work and wasn't reliable for us so we reverted back to our garmin gps's. Cheers, Jesse
Looking forward to see if this works alright, I've got a tablet just collecting dust that I'd love to test out, Just got back from Sudbury and it was a cold one -40 windchill
Hey Rob! It works great.. but below -20 it freezes. Trying to wire some form of heat up to the tablet and we will test it out soon. Cheers, Jesse
Amazon seat heater for cars. Pads will likely be similar size to the table and maybe find a way to incase in from water damage. Easy 12v source to heat the tablet.
Keep us posted on how this works, there is also the Polaris snow app
Yup will do. Mike
wonder if you could repurpose some handlebar warmers or similar, with the warming element flat on the back of the mount. Just thinking something to help keep it a bit warmer. Cool idea, will definietly keep watching for an update on how it worked.
That's what I ended up doing but it wasn't enough heat and it died pretty quickly. Unfortunately, just doesn't seem like a viable solution right now until they make these things good for the cold. Cheers, Mike
@@sledaddicz use shake and bake sticky sock warmers the double face tape sticks to the back of the tablet and keeps it warm do this all the time with the cell phone works mint and you don't even have to squint
Skidoo and Yamaha need to step their gauge game up. Polaris has raised the bar
100%. Hey Bryan! You couldn't be more right buddy. Even Skidoo needs to play catch up with Polaris's new 7S display! Cheers, Jesse
Is there a follow up vid on how this worked out? Didn't see one
That would be nice huh. I guess not. WTF
WTF? I'm sorry but if you look at the comments you will see that we responded to others. The short story is when it gets below -20C the tablet freezes. We tried everything and it just doesn't work well. We are back to using garmin gps's which we absolutely love. Mine has 50,000 kms on it from sledding over the years and has never let me down, whether it was -40C or +10C. Cheers, Jesse
Hey Tom! Sorry for the delayed response. Yup boom mic is still the recommendation with the mask. I have been using the mask the past few of our big trips with the boom mic and it has been flawless. In terms of the mounting base I don't remember to be honest, if that looks like it would work you could do that. Cheers, Mike
If you want it to work in the cold get a Samsung tab active, they have extended temp capabilities.
That could be. We love our garmins and they are definitely more practical and reliable then tablets so I think we are gonna stick with that. This was just an experiment more then anything. Cheers, Jesse
You blurred the touch pad but you can see your pin pop up as you enter it
Hey Greg! Its okay. Its just his pin for his tablet. If you wanna break into it you still gotta find him lol. All good! Thanks for tuning in. Cheers, Jesse
Another thought is to check out the garmin set up that cat is partnering with this year. It has to be a tablet of some type but they have the cold issue figured out. The mount looks good too
Yes the Garmin Tread looks like a nice unit for sure. Thanks for the suggestion! Mike
I did the tread for my sidewinder but you will need to do your own mount as ac mount is back ordered
You can't run Gaia gps maps on it tho
can you post a pic of your Garmin setup if possible.
I too have a sidewinder
maybe heated grip foil wraps
Yep. Jesse is actually on his way over with some of these that we are going to wire up and test. Great minds think alike! Cheers, Mike
What RAM Holder is that? Part number? Also, how is the tablet locked in? Seems like a bumpy trail would rattle the tablet loose.
It's just an 8" ram tablet mount. With the bulky case on the tablet it sits quite snug and doesn't come loose even on super bumpy trail. Cheers, Jesse
Hi, interesting idea. Now that you have run it for a year or so - any update video with thoughts and conclusions? Thanx in advance!
Yup. Unfortunately it is not a practical solution. Below -15C the tablet would freeze. We even tried adding a heated element to keep the tablet warm but it still didnt work. We ended up going back to our Garmin Zumo XT setup (we have a full video on it) and haven't had any issues. The garmins are meant for all temperatures and have never failed us. Cheers, Jesse
I was doing the same thing with a Tab Active but the BRP Go app says it wont work with my device anymore. Worked fine last year.
hmm thats weird. BRP GO might only support the newest android operating system so that may be why. Cheers, Jesse
Always watch videos. Great job!! I'm curious about your fishing rod holder in the back ground. is that just a piece off plywood and pvc pipe? How did you build it?
Hi Karen - great eye! Yes just a strip of wood and then cut up some PVC and glued them down. Works great! That's an entirely other habit for summer. Cheers, Mike
Hey Guy's. It's been a month now. A feedback on the cold affecting the tablet yet?
Yes. I tested it using heating elements and it still didn't work. Unfortunately it just won't work in the super cold Temps. Mike
Did you do a video on the GPS that you are using? I would like to invest in a new gps and use Trakmaps. Any opinions on that set up ? Thanks
Hey Mark! Yes I did. I will link it here. I still always use my Garmin Zumo 590 with trakmaps - it never fails me!! Not in 25,000 kms or so. I will always run a real GPS just because I know it will always work. Cheers, Jesse
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Is that skidoos answer to Polaris 7.8? I need that tablet I can't see even a regular GPS😂😂
Exactly. I found the Zumo a little small and actually prefer a 6" Nuvi. Hope we can get this working good! Cheers, Mike
I've been loving my extended glove box with the phone holder so far but I really hope OFSC makes it so my position stays in the center of the screen like every other gps. That's the only annoying part is either having to be zoomed out very far to see everything or constantly moving it myself.
Hey Smalltown. That is because the OFSC GSO app is not a navigation app. I would suggest using BRP GO! for that purpose - it works great and will follow you like you are describing. Cheers, Jesse
@@sledaddicz hey Jessie I actually reached out to ofsc and they fixed the issue for me. If you double tap the nav icon ( the triangle that gets the screen to jump to your location ) it changes from a triangle to a compass then your location is locked to the center of the screen. Works great
8771 got it lol
LMAO. haha. Cheers, Jesse
@@sledaddicz lol
how about a heat pad behind the tablet.
On it 😀... Cheers, Mike
Compare Polaris Ride Command to BRP Go App????
I plan on doing that soon! Some insight I can give at this point is that BRP GO is miles ahead. It shows accurate trail data, while ride command uses crowd sourced data and has trails that don't exist and is missing trails that do exist. My pick is BRP GO. Cheers, Jesse
Does this app have the option where it traces everywhere you ride?
Yes. All you have to do is hit GO and it will track wherever you ride until you stop/pause the ride on the app. Cheers, Jesse
Is this the same setup you had in the 2024 season?
Nope. Check out this video we did earlier this season - ua-cam.com/video/lz7OuvAV5Do/v-deo.htmlsi=0fPhfNrC9owRTIxW
What map program are you running?? I use trail master has everything for gas to food to places to stay!! I run it on the new Garmin tread and I plaid it with a Garmin In reach mini for Satellite communication anywhere it works really well.
I'm using BRP Go mapping as well as OFSCs mapping. Both are great options. Mike
Cold will kill the tablet. That’s been our experience
Hey Steve! You are right. It does work until about -20 and then it dies. We are looking into some form of a heated tablet case to see if it will solve the problem. Cheers, Jesse
@@sledaddicz please do report back if you find a solution. I ran a similar setup for my phone last year. It worked, but the cold kills it. Tried wireless charging which does make some heat, but wasn't enough. You'd be at 100% charged and them boom it all died. Even -5 would be enough to kill it.
Does a tablet require some sort of plan to just use the GPS and apps? My hope is that I an use my wifi to download apps (Polaris Ride Command) and then use satellite (no cell service) for GPS...so no data plan at all. Thoughts? Also, I see below that it didn't work well in the cold. So, the it still died while being plugged in? I would think the battery would be bypassed altogther (or maybe just charging) while receiving power.
Unfortunately it simply won't work. The cold keeps it from running so I had to go back to a regular GARMIN GPS. Cheers, Mike
If someone can help. I need a step by step on how to pair a Samsung phone to the 2022 Mach Z so that the brp app shows up on the screen. 😊
Hey Johanne. Here is the video we did on that - ua-cam.com/video/HwviuZksdDg/v-deo.htmlsi=K7WPDa5wNRn34GGs
Let me know if you have any other questions. Cheers, Jesse
Hi Mike, How did the tablet work out in the cold? Did you like it?
Hey Linda! Unfortunately not. Below around -20 it would freeze. I even added a heater and it still froze. Gps is still the better option. Cheers, Mike
Has anyone tried the Trail Systems ipad mini with heater and wireless charger system yet?
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Hey dude. We are in the process of wiring up a heater as we speak. We will update you once we get it all figured out. Thanks for the info! Cheers, Jesse
How did it manage the tablet I want to try it as well if it works
Unfortunately they just can't stand up to the cold. I even tried to put a heating element behind it and still would shut down after just a few minutes. Cheers, Mike
This is awesome. Can someone direct me to link for the mounts
Unfortunately with real world testing it didnt work great. Anything below -15C the tablet would freeze. Cheers, Jesse
@Sledaddicz ok man thanks alot.
I have a 2014 renegade X 600 and am trying to find a good combo. Glove box extension and gps/phone. I'm on a rabbit hole to find something..not sure what route to take
@@wideback4553 checkout our garmin gps videos. That is the best setup u can ask for. We just released a video a few weeks ago showing a detailed install. Absolutely nothing beats a garmin gps with trakmaps for the trails. Cheers, Jesse
@@sledaddicz even with a gen 3 rev sx 2014 renegade x?
@@wideback4553 yup! You can use that setup with the xs. Just need the xs glovebox extension. You will then have to drill the holes as it isn't marked for you like the gen5 glovebox extension. But it will work just the same as this setup. And the wiring showed is very similar. Your solenoid may be in a different place but the concept is the same. Cheers, Jesse
Could you add the heating pack from ski doo behind it ?
Yep. That's part B which I'm working on this weekend. Cheers, Mike
Hey guys.
Any updates in the last few weeks?
We tried running an iPhone Plus the same way this week as an easy test and it worked okay. We had it in a case to keep it isolated. It seemed that with the case and running on power it kept it warm enough. But going to a tablet would be a much nicer experience.
Also curious on whether you have tried any other apps for tracking the route while riding. Tried the OFSC mobile app, but that is obviously not designed as a true GPS in the same way. Too many limits with the ability to zoom out but keep you centered in the screen so you can retain situational awareness at a larger scale.
Anyways, interested to hear your experiences.
Yes. No luck with the tablet in super cold temperatures. We even rigged up a few heated grip elements to put behind the tablet and it wasn't enough to keep the battery from dying. We are back to square 1 and using Garmins or the new phone holder. It's too bad because I love the tablet idea. Cheers, Mike
How did it work this season???
It didn't. Battery simply will not last in the cold. Mike
@@sledaddicz thanks for the reply. Cool idea, I’ll stick with the Garmin.
@@sledaddicz was this hard wired or using the internal tablet battery?
@@cbxrs5504 It was all hardwired.