"Sir, you are completely lost, aren't you?" Lost Pilot humiliated by controller. Real ATC Audio
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Same controller, same airport, another pilot: ua-cam.com/video/fqZyFyvOihM/v-deo.html
Another retired Controller here. The Controller should point out his error, provide assistance to correct, and then shut his mouth. There is no place for admonishment over the R/T.
Yeah, I really do not believe that air controller was being mean far from it he was trying to tell this guy where he needs to go doesn’t sound like the pilot knew what the hell he was doing . the controllers job is to make sure there is not an error it doesn’t sound like this pilot knew what he was doing .
I 100% agree, though I won't be as gentle. Also retired ATC here. This controller was going extract his pound of flash at all costs. He has zero discipline on keying his mike, constantly stepping on the pilot. Jerks like this breed pilots who avoid towers at all costs. I bet he used to be a policeman that was fired for over-zealousness and zero deescalation skills. I was waiting for "Cause I told to you!'.
I totally disagree with you. Did you not see the same video I did? That guy was all over the place, and he couldn't even follow instructions on the ground either. I don't blame the controller one bit here.
Let me tell you guys something, that pilot from what I can tell, is a foreign student at Flight Safety. He is probably part of their foreign pilot exchange program. The school takes contracts from airlines in the Middle East, and Asia, and this guy was more than likely one of them. These students all have 1 thing in common, their lack of command of the English language. It is a huge problem, and it's obvious to me that the language barrier was the problem here, NOT the controller.
@@CharlesCornettFL I'm not a pilot, but I have logged some hours as dual instruction. I can confidently say that I would have had a phone number after landing, and I would have had a one to one personal conversation eye to eye with this controller and his sup, along with the tape. If that didn't get the controller dismissed, I would have escalated to Washington FAA, and pursued it until the controller either expressed contrition, or was permanently barred from employment in any US government designated safety sensitive position.
@@briansmyla8696 while I like finding others that see my point, I disagree with the sentiment. You are advocating "cancelling" this guy, but he likely has no idea of how he was contributing to confusion and danger. I'm a big fan of *everyone" setting aside emotions, and talking later to cover the nuances. I think the controller had no idea of the basic misunderstanding. The pilot thought he was to fly a full pattern, but report on left base (IMHO). They could have made both pilot and controller contributors to safety, but instead, likely the opposite is true. CRM is what they need for sure.
This is the kind of person that when they realize someone is struggling they will try to badger them. I've run across a lot of these people in my life. Also know as a jerk. Also it is fun to see bullies like this get roasted on the internet. Hope this guy sees all these great comments!
The pilot doesn't know what he's doing and can't obey instructions, but the controller is unprofessional. Yelling at the confused pilot will just make things worse and put unnecessary stress on him which can lead to even more confusion.
Agreed. Yes, the pilot had issues. The controller made it FAR worse than it needed to be by his extremely unprofessional attitude.
100% agree. That poor pilot, talk about piling on the stress. The Controller needs to experience how it feels when you're not sure, and how to help.
Controller is driving a desk. No threat of injury or worse if things go south. Pilot, not so much. Controller should have been shown the door after this, and barred from holding any safety sensitive position going forward.
It's a pilots jobs to obey ATC. Period.
@@TyVil Unless an emergency is declared, or the pilot tells the controller 'unable' to comply.
The ATC lost his composure almost instantly. He made a struggling pilot even more nervous and less effective. His clear anger and frustration did nothing to help the situation.
He needs more training on controlling his demeanor on frequency.
It also sounded to me like he was keying up his mic too fast, so the pilot wouldn't hear everything he was being told.
I'm not sure he needs to be there at all. I can understand frustration but it was clear the pilot was getting flustered and shouting doesn't help anyone at that point.
Just ask, did the controller decrease or increase the risk associated with this aircraft?
This pilot is dangerous and too stupid to be operating an airplane. There's no excuse for missing that many commands.
It's a really good idea to rattle a confused pilot while he's still in the air.
I mean like - really.
This airport is NOTORIOUS for their controllers, the pilot was clearly behind their aircraft, the comms contributed to the escalating situation what a shit show.
Ya and the pilot was really well prepared too, but ya ATC didn't help
Controller is impatient in a line of work that requires patience and ability to set aside one's pride for the greater good of those in the air.
That's not how it works .You have to do what the controller tells you to do ,and if you don't it can end in disaster .You make a mistake, they will correct you.lf you don't listen and you keep just doing whatever ,they can give you a possible pilot deviation ,and I'm surprised they didn't do it to this guy
@@nightflight1454 I'm not disagreeing with you, however, this controller's demeanor isn't contributing to a successful outcome given the competence or lack of in this particular pilot.
@warsurplus yeah ,he's an a-hole for sure. Government employees get that way sometimes. We just all have to put up with it .
@@nightflight1454 No. If you have an in flight emergency that affects your ability to safely pilot the aircraft, then you can declare that emergency, and the controller needs to listen to what you need, and make it happen. An in flight emergency includes a full bladder.
Pilot could have declared emergency, and the controller would have been his bitch. That should have been done in this case.
@@briansmyla8696 lol
The pilot should have plenty of paper and ink to write phone numbers for pilot deviation.
Former controller here, that controller was way too harsh. I was never that rude to a single engined plane like that, most have few hours and are not that familiar with everything. I'm not making excuses for them, I was just more patient with them then say an airline pilot or a fighter jet.
Except, this pilot was messing up on basic instructions. “Left base for runway 13 is one of the simplest instructions possible, but he was insistent on making a pattern entry on the downwind, as if it were an uncontrolled field. For taxi instructions at an unfamiliar airport, be prepared and bring an airport diagram (one reason why I prefer flying with a G1000 suite is that if you zoom in on the map, you can see the taxiways) and write down the instructions.
I agree with the former controller. I remember being a student pilot and I spent hours on hours just flying in the pattern at an uncontrolled field. I had very limited time at towered fields, so these type of instructions (entering a segment of the pattern, not 45 to downwind) were somewhat foreign. This kid was basically on final for 13. He could have just said “cleared straight-in 13” and avoided some confusion. The taxiing, on the other hand, was a complete soup sandwich. No justifying that. 😂
@@flyfishizationjones4940 i know - assuming the moving map was correct i was not even sure how he could make a left base without heading east like he did. straight in was more appropriate.
@@AviationJeremy You are 100% correct. But as a controller you have 2 choices. You can start yelling at the person at the first opportunity and potentially push the poor guy into a fatal mistake, or have a little patience with him give him vectors and progressive taxi instructions. The second approach is not only safer but also takes less time on the radio. The controller could have a nice chat with the pilot later on on the phone or over the coffee instead of belittling him on the radio .
@@dsdsdsdsdsds3139 he was already on a left base, so enter left base was the correct instruction. private pilots are sometimes over drilled on patterns which causes issues like this. this goes away with IFR and COM
I always was under the impression that controllers need a thick skin and be professional at all times. I guess I was wrong.
just like american police
That's the wrong takeaway. You heard one controller being an arse. There are others and they tend to perform better. Someone might pick up on this and retrain this controller.
I hope someone does have a talk with the controller about keeping his cool and being professional; berating someone the way he did could exacerbate a bad situation. On the other hand the pilot sounds as if he needs to undergo more training.
@@cheeseburger3072exactly, wait until he's on the ground and take it off frequency
@@Gobo--FraggleI hope you never have to teach a 16 to 18 year old high school student how to FLY an airplane. Heh. Some pick it up fast, others do not... A small amount of patience goes a long way to helping low time and single engine pilots like this... When I see things happen like this in the ATC world to me it speaks volumes of the culture of that facility. Probably a lot of disgruntled controllers due to pay, bad management or other issues.
Controller has an anger management problem
Flew there a bunch, that controller isn’t hard to piss off.
Berating a confused person always helps to get them straightened out. (Sarcasm)
As if speaking to him calm and clear had any effect.....
Dumbass. Watch again and notice how many clear commands were given and misunderstood before any annoyance can be noticed.
Thats completely unacceptable. If you literally cant understand numbers or letters, you need to just turn the aircraft off and step out. Let the janitor or Leslie Nielson from the movie Airplane! come by and move the plane for you.
Did anyone notice how the rattled and lost pilot managed to keep his cool and remain polite rsther than mouthing back? A bit more flight practice and this will be one of the better pilots out there.
He did a great job, to be honest. Good communication, worked with the controller, did his best, managed the airplane. I hope he goes commercial, and I hope the controller is fired.
that was rough...Obviously a new pilot that was struggling...we've all been there, help goes a lot farther and safer than chastising...
Retraining for the controller needed without delay. What a prick.
Controller sounds like from another era. Era where yelling and humiliation were the only known tools.
That controller was unprofessional. This pilot was clearly confused and needed progressive.
In the air? Yes this pilot was confused the day he was born.
There is no progressive at 2200’
No he wasn't. You have a pilot who called in to land for 13. They give him clearance for left base 13. He reads back 23. It got worse from there. He doesn't have charts? That's irresponsible.
@irishcurse65 You are partly correct. The controller was just making things worse. The pilot clearly was having difficulty, whatever that mechanism was. Things were getting worse, and the controller played a direct role in it. You do not argue or admonish a crew member while in flight unless absolute nesseccary as the current small problem just escalates. That's it folks, I'm not enjoying pinning the blame here. It's not who's right, it's about whats right. Yes, that pilot needs training or better planning abilities.
Wow. This controller sucks. He told the pilot to enter a base when he was basically on an extended final. How to get to a base when you're on an extended centerline is very ambiguous.
Then he got this obviously inexperienced pilot flustered and he screwed up the taxi.
My same thinking. He was flying east to enter the base for 13. Should of been a straight in
Perfect post. I was thinking hard on how to join left base. I would have probably gone east to turn right onto left base which is kinda what the pilot was doing. Controller should do something else for a living
"Why did you do that?" is the most pointless question ever.
how?
@il400 the mistake was already made. Give him a new instruction to fix the situation for him. Asking him repeatedly to explain himself is something better served with a phone call. The exchange tied up valuable air time for someone who might have needed it.
@@il400 What answer would you expect?
@@HapyLLIuTeJIb um....
The reason why he chose to turn that far east?
It's pretty normal to ask people why they did things, it's scary how many people up voted this, I mean I don't want to be mean, but I wonder if ya'll were in a special class or something
@@il400 I once had been asked by my boss why did I make a small mistake after he gave me like 50 different things to do. He insisted quite aggressively and didn't let go, and I had absolutely nothing to answer him. I have no idea why any answer I could provide would make any difference. That is how I know these kind of interactions are counterproductive and pointless, and I NEVER do this to my people.
Apparently you have never had such a d!¢|
Thats a bad attitude the controller has. I understand his frustration, but that rebuking is unprofessional.
Bad attitude? The pilot was a complete moron. He could have easily put other people in danger. Controllers should be able to stop an aircraft anywhere on the field and have them towed in and parked until the pilot can prove that they are no longer a danger to others before they are aloud to continue flying. Who the hell gave this guy a pilots license?
@@user-xf3eh6ej6m And how exactly is yelling at him going to do anyone any good?
@@davidwebb4904 too many sensitive people around these days....
no following any instruction is non professional, heck not even amateurish
@@davidwebb4904 regular tone is not working, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different result is insanity, he is trying something else
Yelling like that can really rattle an already rattled pilot. Controller does not have the disposition for atc work. He should go sell insurance or something.......
_Controller does not have the disposition for atc work._
The controller may be loud, but unlike the student, at least he knows what he's doing. Competence is more important than likability.
I flew into here as a solo pilot on 2004 or 2005 and I'm glad the controller was much nicer then.
Controller made it worse by yelling at the guy. Hopefully, someone in the FAA will be talking to him to get him recalibrated.
Oh, but the pilot gets a pass?
I can see both sides if it. I've been that inexperienced kid, but the controller has to remember that this kid needs special handling.
@@VaporheadATC who said that?
@@VaporheadATCSafety is #1 priority. If the controller is aggravated by a pilot’s mistake, he should help him land safely and then discuss it further, over the phone preferably. Yelling over the radio is unsafe and unacceptable (it can actually cause an inexperienced pilot to become confused and lose control of the aircraft); Unless there is an imminent danger, such as a mid air collision, where I could see a justification for a controller yelling “turn left immediately ” or “turn right immediately”
@@lfhagege Exactly. I got disoriented once when I was a student pilot and was about to fly over Dobbins AFB. I thought I was approaching PDK. The controller at PDK was very professional and gave me a heading to fly until I got my bearings. I was already stressed out and was very grateful that she handled it so well. She also called Dobbins to let them know what was going on.
This was a student pilot on his solo
Great. It's now proven that he's perfectly unable to fly solo for now.
If so, this is exactly why you should say “student solo” after your callsign, ATC probably would’ve been a lot nicer. Poor guy was probably nervous and needed more guidance from his instructor before soloing… Probably wasn’t familiar going directly into base, and not comfortable taxiing at unfamiliar airports. I hope he was able to recover from this because I’d probably be pretty traumatized if something like this happened to me this early in my career lol.
@@AV4Life "not comfortable taxiing at unfamiliar airports" a student solo to an unknown airfield ?
@@rainman1242 I’m sure he flew there once or twice with his instructor. I just meant the guy probably needed more practice with taxi diagrams and such outside of his home field.
@@fonfsx You weren't born knowing how to walk.
A competent, professional controller would have given the pilot progressive taxi instructions, after it was obvious the pilot was incapable of doing anything else, for the safety of everyone at the airfield. If Page Field has that bad of a reputation, then everyone there should be fired for lack of professionalism.
as a student pilot, the only thing that controller did was make this poor pilots comms even worse. The anxiety and embarrasement alone would make it impossible to take any instructions.
I guess the pilot's idea was to get into the pattern in a 45 degrees left downwind to 13 who knows why since the instruction given by the ATC was clear but that is not an excuse for a bad temper.
Please explain how he should have done a "left base" to final coming from the northeast? Seriously, i am wondering. Why not have him do a straight in?
@@secondruleWondering the same thing. Since the controller stated he was already effectively flying left base over the river, why not just say that and clear him straight in? Clearly the pilot hadn’t faced a non-standard pattern entry before and couldn’t develop a mental picture of what to do. This wasn’t as much on the student pilot, but on his instructor - and certainly on the ridiculously aggressive and rude controller - who should have recognized immediately what the situation was and focus on being helpful. Could have been an awesome teaching moment instead of an intimidating beat down.
@@sonoftherepublic9792 Right? The pilot tried to communicate that he was going to downwind leg. So he got a little confused about how to enter the landing pattern. Did the ATC have to be an asshole about it? Also, doesn't yelling and making people unnecessarily on edge just reduce the safety level for everyone?
He made an innocent mistake and he explained himself. The controller was way too harsh. Pilots just makes them more nervous and scared to ask questions and causes increased danger.
I believe this same pilot caused a bunch of issues at teterboro.
The same pilot? You're kidding.
no that guy was old, this guy is young
Most unprofessional controller ever
The controller was immediately extremely rude and unprofessional, and made the situation in the cockpit worse.
HOWEVER
the pilot completely disregarded ATC instructions, both in the air and on the ground. If he is a student solo, as someone asserted, he needs more ground and dual instruction before he solos again.
"HOWEVER" -- nope, don't care. That controller was nuts from the beginning
@@sysop073 he was completely normal until the pilot unexpectedly turned left in violation of his instructions.
You can hear the uncertainty in the pilot’s voice, slowly becoming sheer terror. Given the controller’s ridiculous and frankly, dangerous tone and unhelpful rhetorical questions, it’s a miracle this ended without a serious incident.
Controller must be one of those guys that never makes a mistake.
This controller would make anyone nervous he is a very unprofessional
That's one way to get to alpha 3, just keep pretending that the controller said alpha 3.
The scariest part of this situation...the pilot is likely planning on going to work with the airlines in the near future. He's banking on the fact Frontier and Spirit don't really have any standards.
He needs the “Possible Pilot Deviation” Brasher warning and a number. Keep the admonishment off the airwaves. It’s still on the tape monitoring the phones.
If he’s a student, have him call with his instructor. FSDO will get involved to ensure the pilot is flying safely.
He sounded like a student. Even the newly minted private pilots aren’t this bad.
Glad he was not talking to me, I am only partially sighted.
This dude. How the hell you have the guts to go up ? In the first place ? You’re dangerous man. Lots of confusion. No confidente whatsoever
You mean, go up to the tower and grab the microphone? 2/3 of this mess was controller's attitude.
@@pawepluta4883 Thats complete bullshit. The tower said everything in perfect English, gave clean commands and the pilot couldnt understand a single thing he said. He misheard repeated commands.
How can you defend such a danger to everyone? Pilot did zero things correctly and its the towers fault?
I wouldnt be surprised if you were the pilot. Get a refund on your flight school. You learned nothing. Consider driving a taxi.
@@DrummerJacob You clearly have problems with understanding what you read. Have you been this pilot, maybe?
These videos are very high quality, well done bro
This is SEVERAL years old, if not more.
It is the same pilot that caused the same issues at teterboro. He went whatever he wanted then crossed an active runaway
His CFI is to blame, then.
Ouch...
I always hated controlled environments and this is exactly why. All my nightmares in one video.😵💫
Pilot didn’t have a clue of the location of the airport.
You ever fly VFR as a new pilot and try to find an airport? Didn’t think so.
@@danpolk Dude cant even read numbers on signs. Whats your bullshit explanation for that one too?
Now everyone knows what it’s like being on the road with other drivers!
Dude had a script in his head and he was gonna stick with it no matter what (set up 45 left downwind and look for c3 entrance no matter what)
Probably a student cross-country solo. A little more flight planning and he will be fine.................who the fk am I kidding. He is a menace and will hurt himself someday!
The controller is being a complete a-hole. Clearly the pilot needs some assistance, and the controller couldn’t figure that out. He sits in his comfy chair, drinking too much coffee, and couldn’t be bothered to do his job. It doesn’t appear that he has any other traffic to handle, and appears that this pilot severely increased the controller’s “workload “.
All he had to do, is offer progressive taxi instructions, and calm the f*ck down….or just resign and walk away from his job.
" offer progressive taxi instructions," Alpha to Alpha 3 how exactly do you break that down in 'progressive instruction' ?
@@rainman1242 Taxi straight on Alpha. pilot continues taxi. When the next intersection coming up is Alpha 3, controller keys up and instructs him to turn right on Alpha 3. That's how progressive is done. Call each turn as it comes up.
Great comment but no blame on the pilot for not doing any homework flying to a new airport
@@briansmyla8696 the problem is that by then the said pilot already took a unprompted left on alpha 5.
should the controller tell him before each intersection: 'not this one' ?
The controller may be loud, but unlike the student, at least he knows what he's doing. Competence is more important than likability.
Especially in an aviation environment where mistakes can cause tragedies.
This happened at least 10 years ago.
This controller is still working at Page. He can be cranky, but it actually makes for great training. It's my home filed and I trained here, and dealing with him forced me to be assertive for what I need and what I can/can not do.
The CFI is who is at fault here. The student was completely unprepared to be at Page. Page Field averaged about 560 operations per day. For reference, San Diego is the USA's busiest single-runway commercial airport and does 600 operations per day.
That student is completely unprepared and unfit to be soloing at all.
Sounds like a lost student pilot. Just help him find the runway.
Welcome to Page Field! If you think our tower controllers make you sweat, think about us who train here every day 😅.
I got scolded the other day for landing too long in high performance aircraft I had only 1.5 hrs in, for which I was learning all the power settings and getting my flare and sight picture right. We just learn to roll with it 😂😊❤🗼
lol I'd have told him that I'd make it longer next time around.
@@briansmyla8696 haha 😆
I mean, who would want to fly with dangerous pilots like this around?
@@DrummerJacobyou are correct, no one wants that. But once the situation has already started, I feel like ATC should do everything they can to help calm the situation and not make it worse.
I've flown into that airport a few times, they can be a little spicy, but are generally good guys. This pilot needs to write stuff down, then think about what he is doing. In the air he had in his head how he wanted to do it and didn't take the time to process how the controller wanted it done. If he wanted the full pattern with a 45 entry, he should have asked for it. On the ground again, he didn't write it down and most likely didn't have a taxi diagram open. Airports can be confusing places, especially single pilot with no one to help you. There is no shame in asking for progressive taxi instructions. At the end of the day, a pilot should know how to do this stuff.
Obviously the pilot lakes confidence so treat him softly as a friend. It’s all about a good service that’s what we are about. We are not hellraisers and in the uk we are always polite to the customer
The pilot needs a little more instruction. For example he was trying to use uncontrolled airport procedure when he was given direct instructions by the controller.
And then they swapped positions and the pilot got to control the controller.
A small amount of patience goes a long way to helping low time and single engine pilots like this... When I see things happen like this in the ATC world, to me, it speaks volumes of the culture of that facility. Probably a lot of disgruntled controllers due to pay, bad management or other issues. This controller was just a jerk taking out his frustrations and inadequacies on a foreign sounding student pilot.
The taxiways look kind of tricky there anyway.I can understand how he went down Alpha 5 instead of Alpha 3.The controller had him flustered.
How hard is it to read numbers? Honest question.
Pilot should respond with "FMY tower, non control communications disregarded, 47 Victor." Every. Single. Time. Let them pull the tapes and listen to that.
The controller should be fired for his attitude. Screaming at a confused pilot up in the air is a big no no. Sure, the pilot made loads of errors but that attitude stinks. One error and we'd end up watching the crash debriefs on the other channels.
Almost thought the taxi part was just a spoof video. It sounds fake because its so absurd, all of it. The pilot all over the place, both of them blocking each other on the coms and the controller's ultra high blood pressure hostility. S show.
This pilot is one of those elderly drivers who is all over the road and stops in intersections
and you were the impatient traffic cop controller?
Oh i bet you were completely familiar with everything when you started flying, weren't you? Oh wait i bet you don't have a single hour
The controllers attitude could possibly have been a recipe for disaster. Perhaps take the approach that you are talking down someone with little or absolutely no flying experience, like in an emergency situation, stay calm and issue easy clear step by step instructions and continue to do so until the aircraft is hopefully safely on the ground.
As many said the controller was unprofessional but it's also worth noting that this pilot was not up for the task of flying to this airport (or any controlled airport?)
I’d like to talk to the boneheaded CFI who signed him off
Completely uncalled for. You can hear in the pilot’s transmissions that he is a low time pilot…and that he is struggling with the workload. A simple correction by ATC, or offer to vector him in would have alleviated all of that. Anyone can have a bad day, including ATC, but sometimes even an experienced pilot needs that reassuring voice to say “ I’ve got you 9247V…just follow my instructions and we’ll get you down.” 🇺🇸
If he's too stupid to take instructions - he shouldn't be flying.
I flew out of KFMY for a couple of years. This is a very common form of communication for this controller. I can’t imagine why they keep him around. He’s an ……. You fill in the blank.
This sounds like a student pilot who is flying "past their training." Pattern work is something you learn in the first third of your PP training. I'm surprised they weren't given a number to copy. Fortunately, the pattern seemed relatively empty. Throw a couple aircraft into the pattern and this gets ugly fast...
This is a perfect example of why I walked away from my dream of being a pilot. I lack the competency and aptitude to operate an aircraft. I would have been this guy and had lots of controllers yelling at me, wanting me to write down phone numbers. Furthermore, I would have lost my certs. It was best just not even go there to begin with.
Yeah but everybody sucks until they don't.
@@pgnandt True, but it's better than killing myself or someone else.
You wouldn’t have. At all. The vast, vast majority of controllers know you’re a student and know how to help you, and will make room in the pattern for you. This controller is the exception. No more excuses for you. Go get your license.
Even though the pilot was a newbie and lost, the controller should be more compose. He needs to have a cool head.
I hope that controller is seeing all of the comments here and will change his attitude. But that’s asking too much.
And to think that this guy is the President....
At 2:33 the animation shows both ends of the runway as RW 31 !
Keep focused on getting the plane down atc, not humiliating the pilot.
Had a poor flight instructor.
Controller is there to help he is not an authority-terrible attitude!!
Yikes. Student should not have been on a solo yet, definitely needed some more exposure to towered airports and taxi instructions as a whole. But wow was the tower a douche.
Future Indigo pilot right there!
If you're gonna take a plane solo onto the stage you better have some idea where you are and how to navigate. I can see how controllers get frustrated. Other lives are on the line
This isn’t even about just navigation. That student incorrectly read back ATC instructions at least three times while airborne and then twice more on the ground.
The most annoying part of the video for me was at 2:11 when the student said _”I’m aware of that sir”. That’s student was NOT aware of anything, he was completely clueless.
At that point, just tell him to get out of the aircraft and report straight to the tower and have literally anyone walking around outside the airport perimeter jump in and easily taxi the aircraft.
Yelling like that doesn’t help, it hurts the situation
I think the controllers rude demeanor contributed to the pilots confusion. He's struggling and having this controller bark at him didn't help !
Possibly a student or commercial student with very little private time behind him trying to knock out some solo x-country hours. The controller went straight to 11 - ridiculous.
Someone get that guy a piece of paper and a pen please!
You mean, so that the controller draws some pictures or something to calm down? :-)
Granted this pilot is not going to be auditioning for the Blue Angles anytime soon...But this jackass controller needs to get la*d, and switch to decaf. Jeez, bro. The pilot is clearly a newbie, and rattling him just makes him more nervous and prone to more errors.
Where the hell was the "possible pilot deviation" and "prepare to copy of phone number"?
The pilot was definitely not ready for the flight. However the controller needs to calm on frequency. The controller only made it worse by all the yelling.
As a commercial airline pilot at a major U.S. airline, this is one of the least professional exchanges I've ever heard.
I looked it up. Page tower isn't FAA. They're contract. National ATC training center should look into this exchange.
As a human that doesnt want to die when im at an airport, get this pilot out of here. He needs an immediate refund on his flight school. He cant even read signs, he cant understand words, he cant understand numbers.
Literally the worst pilot Ive ever seen on here. Has no business even operating a motor vehicle of any type.
@DrummerJacob That's not in question. The pilot is obviously not in a good position. If the controller wanted to question his skills, then the place to do that is on the phone after he has landed. The tower has no business intimidating new pilots on the radio, regardless of skill level.
This controller needs a brasher. Get the aircraft down and parked safely and then ask the pilot to call tower for a friendly conversation. Pilot is possibly a non english speaker and he needs to fix that before flying into towered airports.
Like I feel bad for the pilot, but good grief…. Shouldn’t be flying a plane if you can’t listen and follow simple instructions.
As soon as the controller heard him say he was attempting the 45 onto the downwind, he should have immediately recognized he was a low-time pilot, simply doing what his previous instructors taught him. Yeah, the local controller here definitely either needed a smoke break or a couple shots.
Controller should seek therapy or a pilot license ...
ATC sounds just like guy that flew his Twin Beech when the PIC died in flight. Did he get a new job???
Controller sure did not do anything to help the situation. This is the reason so many new pilots live in fear of opening their mouths on the radio with ATC controllers! This is not as rare as it may seem with controllers!
Can’t say I haven’t messed up a call or two in a single flight but I know what it feels like to get ripped apart in air on the first mistake. Definitely not how I would have handled it. Little more patience from the beginning would go a long way. Then wait till he’s on the ramp about to park
If the controller sees the pilot is lost he just limit himself to provide vectors
Pilot cant even understand basic numbers and letters. What do you at that point? How can one spoon feed an adult human single digit numbers more than once and have them not understand?
C2.
C2. (response: "thanks")
"You said C3!
@@DrummerJacob You don't even know what a vector is... in aviation that will be the simplest instruction to follow, turn left/right with heading 0-360 degrees. That will avoid any confusion about flight plans, etc.
When you deal with greens sometimes happens …. Pros having bed days too. No patients. Don’t blame it.
The controller definitely didn’t help the situation - probably rattled the pilot even more - and that’s not ok. But this is dangerous. Low time pilots who train primarily at untowered fields should not be flying into towered airports without doing so with an instructor MULTIPLE times. And in full disclosure: I’m a low time pilot who trained at primarily untowered fields and I would not fly into controlled airspace until I reached proficiency with my instructor.
Seems like this was probably a low hours pilot, probably a student pilot not accustomed to operations in controlled airspace. Seemed like when he got confused he tried to do the standard 45 degree entry which was not what the controller wanted. Could also be a sign of a lack of prior preflight planning and assessment of the airport environment also seeing as the taxiways had him confused. Theres no rush when taxiing, write down the instruction and take each taxiway slowly and one by one.
I’m on the controller’s side here. Being nervous on a solo ride is perfectly understandable, but this student did far more than just poor execution. He twice read back the runway assignment incorrectly while airborne, then read back the taxiway instructions incorrectly after landing. He speaks with a slight accent and seems to have difficulty understanding aviation English. I knew one CFI who refused to sign off a student whose English skills were borderline, even though his piloting skills were otherwise fine.
The person who deserves to be criticized here is the CFI who signed off this clown.