The Meteoric Rise of Pyra and Mythra | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Back with another Why EVERYONE Plays episode! This time we're covering the all too infamous Aegis: Pyra and Mythra! The DLC characters who started the entire hate war against Fighters Pass 2.
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Seeing how simple and straightforward they are makes me wonder how they would have turned out of they kept Rex and the supposed Ice Climbers moveset they had in mind.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 being known for having a hella complicated combat system… and then Pyra/Mythra turn out to be one of the most braindead characters in Smash
@@jomaq9233 If it took 2 years to come up with the moveset I think Sakurai and the dev team really had no choice but to simplify it
@@anzack2551 Don’t get me wrong, I love Pyra and Mythra to bits, they’re my Smash mains now… just that I may somewhat understand how Ness mains feel when people accuse them of being “braindead spammers”, not helped by the fact that braindead spamming Ness mains are, in fact, a thing
I feel like we might've gotten something pretty close or keeping many of the gimmicks they have. Being able to switch between Pyra and Mythra for different stats and specials. Obviously the normal moves would change to better fit Rex but the specials I imagine would be similar or maybe change his up special to be anchor shot. A thing I could see added for him is that specials that involve bringing Pyra or Mythra out to attack he'd be able to move freely like Pyra can during her side B. I do hope to see Rex get his chance in a future Smash game
My idea for implementing Rex into the Pyra/Mythra transformation would be to implement the “Vanguard Switch” mechanic from Torna, as well as making Rex a sort of balanced in-between character stats wise between Pyra and Mythra
"On to Pyra, she is commonly agreed to be the weaker of the two"
Its so accurate to Xenoblade!
also the "two fighters in one", they're basically two different people sharing a body.
@@ayar2meanwhile Pokémon Trainer:
Played literally hundreds of hours on Xenoblade 2. The fact they then got added into Smash and are great was just the icing
Exactly the same for me. My number 1 character that I wanted added to Smash was Rex and Pyra/Mythra as an Ice Climbers type character. But Aegis on their own is still hype for me and why I main them.
I didn't beleve it at first. It was unthinkable for me.
nerd
@@ieatbugs45 I am
@@dxcSOUL play the game the desing is fan service but the story is great the world building as well and the gameplay is complicated but also great when you understand. Oh and the ost is divine 👌.
Also if you really want an explications for the desing because of times constraint for be early game on Switch they get helped by multiples desinger comming from video game industry or anime industrie. They didn't send any limitation so sometime character proportion are a bit exagerated.
No seriously if it's too much anime (or fan service) for you it's a great game but don't try it. If you can ignore it (like me when I was innocent) you could discover a master piece (even if compared to other Xenoblade it's maybe the one with the more weakness).
I hate how much fun Pyra and Mythra are. They’re easy to pickup and do well with, and they both have moments where it feels just plain fun to play as them. Mythra’s speed makes you feel like no one can run away from you, and it is satisfying to hit people with Pyra due to her kill power.
Well I would agree tho I dropped them for Wolf
Scrub take
Doesn’t seem like you hate it at all
They're boring af, i fucking hate them
They have zero redeeming qualities
As an Aegis main I also hate it personally I find this character really fun I always wanted a speed/power kind of character and I picked up a lot along the way from brawl to ultimate I was a Pit main in smash 4 and I loved the fact he was a all rounder (meaning a good character) pls Aegis growth needs to stop
I actually stopped playing right after Joker so these DLC character videos are always very interesting to see.
Extremely simple and powerful basic gameplan. Mythra is very easy, gets in, racks up damage and has foresight and speed defensively. Then Pyra spams whatever once they are in cornered. What's interesting though is their falloff at top level. Leo, despite doing pretty well maining them, has shelved them again. Shuton is the only really consistent one and he still uses olimar a lot as well. Cosmos is...Cosmos. Despite many other top tiers having bad recoveries, theirs is just slightly too exploitable and it makes them die quite suddenly with decent regularity. Pyra also despite having a ton of power, doesn't consistently blow people out super reliably at early percents since it's risky to be Pyra too often and her neutral is bad. Their neutral is also a little too linear and predictable and they don't have good ranged poking tools either. As such, as long as you play super consistently and carefully, they are insanely consistent and reliable, but they can get upset really easily with just one slip up and they surprisingly have a relatively mild upset factor themselves. I still think if someone was dedicated enough to really push and optimize them, that they have the power and potential to be a dominant character, but nobody so far seems to have quite clicked with all the pieces. Leo had the best disadvantage and recovery (key to not getting blown up too often) along with the best Pyra (especially his dtilt up air kills and general godlike spacing) and most deliberate use of foresight. Cosmos has the best Mythra when he's not throwing, faster, more aggressive with longer and more rewarding combos and better use of lightning buster. Someone just needs to smush those two together...
It's actually pretty funny how comparable they are to Xenoblade 2 considering once you get Mythra you're essentially just gonna use her for anything and then pull out Pyra when you need it lol
But is very difficult to mix both playstyles because they require different mentality, just like Shulk oddly enough. Mythra prefers to be agressive, Pyra needs to abuse her range and you need to determine which playstyle is better at which given moment, while also playing smash with your opponent. While Mythra is the obvious choice on low percentage and Pyra is normally better at kill ones, at mid percent is not very clear which one is better, and you need to commit to one form. Luckily they're easy on terms of excecution, which is why they're so good.
@@N12015 True, not many people are both good at fast rushdown combo and defensive spacing, let a lone being able to swap back and forth at a moment's notice. Mythra can play a bit slower, trying to bait and wiff punish at least, though her lack of a projectile to force approaches hampers that.
@@SoloJustus Fun Fact: Monolith Soft the company that makes Xenoblade, was founded by former SquareSoft developers. SquareSoft would soon change their names to SquareEnix.
Your forgetting the most important reason
Waifus are rated E for everyone
Also why play a sword fighter when you can just cut the fighter part and play a blade?
Pyra and mythra are more direct like that.
I think a big part of why people didn't feel bad about FP2 until aegis came out was because the previous characters spent months where the only competitive play available was online, and most people really didn't care about wifi. Aegis was the newest character when NA started having locals on a widespread scale. Plus for the people who didn't play during quarantine, they came back to 3 crazy strong characters that weren't present before (and sephiroth).
What's funny is that the Aegis is the most overhated character of FP2 because people could tell they were great immediately. They didn't pay attention to the pure cancer of game design of Min-Min, Kazuya, and Steve till it was too late. It's pretty funny since Sora, Aegis, and Sephiroth are better designed characters that only well-known players are known for maining.
Xenoblade 2 is one of my favorite games of all time, so I was extremely hype when she came out. Then the Aegis just kinda turned out to be really good. I also like how her blade switching mechanic kind of brings back the same ability Zelda/Sheik used to have as a 2-in-1 fighter. (of course I was also a little salty when people got mad because 'waaa anime swordfighters')
I'm also gad their swapping is actually functional. Zelda/Shiek was a kind of a mess. Even PT is still a bit janky.
You should make a vid about banjo, not only is he one of the most technical characters in the game when it comes to his different options and bregull blaster, but he’s almost always regarded as low-bottom tier and has so much more potential
Side special spam
@@megaplatformer2702cant spam the only special move that has a limited fixed number of uses.
@@megaplatformer2702 Banjo needs to be very patient and attack when the opponent makes a mistake or be campy if Banjo can't find an opening. He's kinda like Sonic in a sense.
In Banjo Tooie, boss fights are about running away from the bosses until they expose themselves. It also take about 6 mins to beat the Hag 1 in Banjo Tooie as well.
Also Banjo's nair can sometimes damage characters on shield.
One trick I discovered is that Banjo can edge guard with nair, and if Shockspring jump isn't enough he can use Wonderwing to make it back on stage.
This was uploaded only one day after Xenoblade 2's 5 year anniversary, coincidence or not it's nice timing ;)
Do you play Fire Emblem Heroes?
@@yoder6162 Uhhh yes why?
They are incredibly strong at a competitive and top-tier level, but unlike most DLC, they are completely broken on a casual level.
Pyra and Mythra have attacks that KO at low%, have insane speed and power, very few opportunities to be hit, decent survivability, and attacks that take up a max of 3/4 of the map depending on what you chose. On top of this, they are a sword fighter so anyone who knows how to play half the roster knows how to combo, counter, and use every A button attack fairly well. Oh and that Venn diagram is completely true. Each one is just a character missing 1 rarely used attack, so 95% of a character plus 95% ends up with an overturned duo of gods who have every single good trait and type of attack seen in the entire game.
Something I've noticed that makes it really easy to recover online as Aegis is that people tend to edgeguard the spot where they think you're gonna be, but since Pyra and Mythra's physics are so different, you can swap in the air and get a pretty free recovery so long as you change how you're drifting to accommodate said physics. I've even double swapped midair to get an easier recovery
The part with the venn diagram was cool. I like it looked like they met in the middle, great editing
Mythra's neutral special has weight-independent knockback, so she can always reliably kill at the same % with Lightning Buster regardless of if she's fighting Bowser or Pichu.
I don't think she has a "kill power issue". You can coast the game with Mythra and finish the stock with Lightning Buster every time, provided your opponent loses their marbles... Which is really easy to achieve with her speed and pressure.
Wow, what timing. Was watching the Recovery Video just yesterday and these two were mentioned (or at least they were in the comment section, don't remember). This should be enlightening. Can't wait for the Chrom video.
I just play them because XC2 is my third favourite game of all time and Pyra&mythra (specifically them alone without Rex) was the character I wanted the most to be in smash
Ngl Pyra and Mythra are the characters with the most impact in my life as weird as it sounds, I had so much fun playing them (mostly Pyra which is ironic considering I thought she was too slow for me to enjoy compared to sarcasm personified over here.) that I got Xenoblade 2, which I wasn’t even aware existed before the Aegis got added, and it’s now probably my favorite game of all time and I can always go back to it if I wanna just relax. So honestly the Aegis have legitimately affected my life in several ways and that’s really funny to me considering their game was a thing I wasn’t even aware of before they came out. Now I need to play a Fatal Fury Game….
please tell me youve tried xenoblade 1 it is so incredibly good and then after that play xenoblade 3. btw i main Shulk lol
I’m not mad at any of the dlc. I have me my secondary as plant and besides Steve and min min, I have fun fighting them.
"Why everyone play Pyra and Mythra" me who's probably worst character is Pyra and Mythra 💀
Get better
@@scarecrow5751 what's your friend code. Run the fade then
No offense but how can you be worse with them than with extremely hard to learn characters like Duck Hunt?
@@YoshiAteTooManyYoshiCookies it’s prob a joke dude lol
@@YoshiAteTooManyYoshiCookies i just dont know what do with them. Mythra is too fast and Pyra is too slow. Wtf do I do out of a throw? What aerials do I use besides nair. I sd too often with Mythra. I hate Pyras up b. I know how to play DH because of Smash 4. Im not good but I'm sure my DH is better. Which sucks because my play style is aggressive 💀
Played Xenoblade 2. Wanted them in smash. Got them in smash. Played them and coincidentally they are good characters
What more can I ask for
I see you got that Alpharad mindset. Amen, brother.
The bad thing about Zelda/Sheik was that Zelda not only gave up mobility and attack speed but she also gave up good hitboxes. Most of Zelda's power either comes from moves that have small hitboxes, have multihits that can be fallen out of, require sweetspots on moves that are basically unsafe on sourspot, or are so slow that they're massively unsafe if they don't connect. Pyra is much better designed in the sense of actually being able to utilize the increased power she's supposed to be used for.
Zelda is an incredibly depressing character. It's weird how they still designed her like Sheik is a part of her moveset. She should have some of Sheik's tools (needles) in place of her shitty side-b, much stronger mobility, fairs and bairs that work like Melee Falcon's knee, and a tuned down or reworked phantom.
@@justice8718 sheik needles wouldn't hepl zelda that much just rework her completely like I dunno based it ln botw zelda
@@ZAPRST8879 "BOTW Zelda"
Fuck that Zelda.
"heik needles wouldn't hepl zelda that much"
When Zelda is given more mobility to land her up-air or fair. No.
@@justice8718 It's hard to design a swap fighter out of a character that barely does anything in OOT. Pyra and Mythra have more to work with.
@@orangeslash1667 No. The problem with Sheik and Zelda is that the devs keep fucking them up in every smash game and refuse to undo some of the unwarranted bullshit they had in Melee (making Zelda unbelievably awful with a stupidly rushed kit. Change her fair or bair already. nintendo. Give her mobility!) and Smash Poor (making Zelda and Sheik no longer stance characters for no reason).
I cannot tell you how happy I am as a massive Xenoblade Chronicles fan ( especially 2 as it was my first game in the series ) that these 2 are great
its good that at least one of us fans feels that way
Hell yeah! XC2 fans unite!
I'm part of that community of xenoblade fans
Especially xenoblade chronicles 2 and torna Golden country
I am a part of this xenoblade fan gang
A basic gameplan, simple moveset, and the ability to quickly change character stas mid game is what makes them so popular and so hated. Add on the fact that Mythra has foresight, long combos with decent range, and that Pyra has kill power that is comparable to that of a heavy, as well as an incredibly annoying projectile, makes them a definitive top tier that is within the realm of being one of the best characters in the game. Their only major weakness is their recovery, but otherwise they got tools that bottom, low, mid, and even some high and top tiers can only dream of.
The way I like to describe Pyra/Mythra is that they are a more consistent Joker. Mythra acts as base Joker but with more range and no projectiles (unless you count up special), whilst Pyra acts like an on-demand Arsene but with slower ground and air speed. Prior to getting nerfed and having FP2 release, Joker was the definitively best DLC character in the game and was a contender for the best character in the game (only really be rivaled by Pikachu back then). Nowadays, while Joker is still considered a definitive top tier due to his incredibly good moveset and recovery, he's just not what he used to be anymore. He's not as great as he used to be because of the nerfs, he's not as simple to play as the Aegis, and he's nowhere near as consistent as the Aegis either. Not only does Joker have to compare with the Aegis for being the best DLC character in the game, he also has to compare with Steve who at this point is Ultimate's Brawl Meta Knight and 4 Bayonetta. FP2 has acted like a massive power creep to not only the base roster, but also to FP1 as well. While Steve is clearly the best DLC in the game and arguably the greatest character in all of Ultimate, I'd say most of the power creep for 90% of the roster is due to Pyra/Mythra.
I'd say that Pyra/Mythra can best be considered the 4 Cloud of Smash Ultimate. They are a (mostly) low skill character with a high reward, acting as the ultimate gatekeeper character to not only the majority of the Smash roster, but also the majority of the competitive Smash player base as well. While I'm not really a part of the competitive Smash community anymore, I do somewhat fear that the combination of Steve and the Aegis, as well as characters like Min Min and Kazuya, will kill all interest in competitive Ultimate just like how both the Ice Climbers and Meta Knight killed competitive Brawl and how both Cloud and Bayonetta killed competitive 4. Let's hope it doesn't come down to that, but unfortunately it's not looking too hot for the game right now.
I think something not many people talk about is how fast and freely you can change from pyra to mythra, while to change pokemon you have to follow an order and it takes a good time, and shulk has cooldowns between monados.
That Venn Diagram reminded me of two reasons I like Pyra & Mythra 😸
You read my mind my good friend
I see you are a man of culture.
Not a big smash player but I do enjoy any analysis of the Aegis.
I was watching the nintendo direct and was so hyped when i saw xenoblade chronicles 2 and was hoping for more story and was sad to see it was just a dlc character
i never knew that vars has a THRID channel damn he is always wroking hard
I honestly hate how blatantly overpowered the DLC characters are. It was like this in Smash 4 and its like this in Ultimate. Even if they're balanced enough (usually... looking at you Steve) to be defeated by older characters, you can tell they have an advantage over previous fighters.
They aren't overpowered, they're good but have their weaknesses that are exploitable
@@skylandersfan6954 Yes overpowered is an exaggeration... but not by much. They have weaknesses but they're not even nearly as exploitable as other characters. Their nature as DLC characters means they have fewer balancing patches, more forgiving hitboxes, and usually some kind of fancy special mechanic. There's a reason so many of them are top tier, its not just a coincidence...
Steve though? Nah Steve is definitely overpowered. Being able to create platforms and walls wherever you want, a command grab projectile minecart that also acts as a burst movement option, UP TILT... and simply the fact that you can literally cancel hit stun at will? Yeah. Overpowered. No resource management is going to stop that.
@@lasercraft32 Steve's weakness is that he's pretty slow. He's easy to zone as long as you're carful. As long as you wait for him to attack first, punishing him is very easy. Just like kazuya attacking him first is pretty dangerous, so try to outsmart him.
@@orangeslash1667 Steve does have weaknesses... but not as many as he has strengths. He _moves_ slow, but he _attacks_ fast. His frame data is crazy. Steve's playstyle also revolves around making your opponent come to you.
Literally any character can be defeated, nobody is unbeatable. But a good Steve player will stall you out until you have no choice but to approach, as they can spam minecarts and build walls to block you off. In casual play, yeah Steve is nothing... but in competitive there's a reason tournaments are opting to ban him.
@@lasercraft32The main reason tournaments are banning Steve is because of the "phantom MLG" glitch, which tournament organizers don't want to have to spend obscene amounts of time and effort to police for.
Aside from that, he's nowhere even close to Brawl Meta Knight or Smash 4 Bayonetta levels of broken, and there were no widespread bans on either of them
I really wish that Pythra was not the S tier they are because the only reason I play them is because I am a massive Xenoblade 2 stand, and I feel like it would just be cooler if I didn't end up in a ditto every three online matches.
Yeah I feel you man
@@extr3me95 yay someone agrees with me :)
@@flyinggyrados4591 They may seem over powered but has as you keep avoiding them, their attacks become the easiest to see coming.
I only play them because I wanted them in the game and mained them day 1. Them being top tier was just the icing on top ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't think they are Top Tier they are High Tier in my opinion they have a really bad recovery some of their attacks leave them open to attack them
@@SamuelJohnsonYT Their recovery is bad and for the most part it's their specials and Pyra's smash attacks that make them vulnerable but Mythra has an insane combo game and Pyra has incredibly good spacing with her aerials and is able to close out stocks pretty well
@@SoloJustus they are good characters but I don't think they are broken
@@SamuelJohnsonYT I never said they're broken lol
But for me they're definitely top tier
@@SoloJustus nah they aren't Top Tier dude they are good just not good enough to be Top Tier in my opinion
I play all swordies so far in this playlist and while I don't play Steve or ROB seriously, when I pull them out for fun, I kind of fuck people up
Swinging Swords is fun :>
The Aegis are extremely good characters that are extremely easy to use. Boom! I explained it all in one sentence!
Honestly though, it is disheartening that many people *feel* like they have to play Aegis just because they are easy top tier swordies. I've seen far too many players drop their cool obscure mains just to solo main Aegis (and they didn't look like they were having fun). Just because it's "optimal" to play a top tier on paper, doesn't mean you should. WaDi explained it best: the more you enjoy playing a character, the more you want to push that character's meta as you develop as a player. Play who you want, gamers! If you like Aegis, nice! If not, no shame! Don't let any player (including top players) shun you into dropping a main you love for Aegis. I'm saying this not because I dislike Aegis (I am actually starting to like them), but because I've been legit ridiculed for not using "top tiers" in tournament. I tried playing top tier swordies like Roy and Aegis, but eventually I realized that they are not for me. My character crisis was over after I picked up Marth and Corrin again :)
One of the major flaws of competitive play... it takes away the joy of playing if you let it. Too many people judge based on tier lists. Its especially notable if you main a low tier character like Doc or Mac. You literally can't without multiple people "casually" mentioning how low tier they are.
And you're totally right. Playing as a character because they're high tier even when you don't enjoy it sucks. And getting judged for playing (or not playing) a character because of their tier sucks.
@@lasercraft32 It kind of makes me wish Smash had a system like Smogon's tiering in place, but that seems way harder to do with a platform fighter than a TBRPG
@@diegoxavier9107 Yeah, agreed.
Who would trade an original low/middle tier pick for an easy-to-win-with character just to get wins? That’s like the g@yest thing ever. I wouldn’t even play that kind of loser.
I nearly did that with Ganondorf, then I realized I enjoyed playing him just a bit more than I enjoyed aegis, and kind of now main the both of them in general
Aegis in a nutshell: Mythra is broken and Pyra is the kill confirm
And people want Kazuya to be banned for being "easy." (Or at least that's what I hear a lot of people say online in their arguments)
@disneydiscussionduo7256 Key word, "if you know how to play them." And even then, I don't think he's that good.
*If you know how to play him,* sure, he might be top 10 in the game. But nobody knows how to play him to the point that he's a top meta threat. You have to be extremely skill and efficient with him, like Riddles or Tea, if you wanna do good.
And even then, I think that Kazuya isn't that hard to fight if you actually play the matchup correctly. But then I hear people say, "they don't wanna play against somebody who kill you at zero (Kazuya) or who camps you all day (Steve)." But I don't hear people wanting to ban other characters who play the same. Like Luigi, Min Min, Sonic, Wario, etc.
So that's why I say it's a skill issue. If they can deal with those characters, then why cant they deal with Kazuya and Steve?
@disneydiscussionduo7256 Yeah. I know. It's just that I see A LOT of people online who dont understand how much skill you actually need to play Kazuya properly. I see most of them say, "you just practice in training mode for a few hours, and you're a good Kazuya", but you clearly know that's not true. At least you get where I'm coming from lol
@@marlinmurrell620 I can't even do a simple input for Ken on my pro controller even when I follow instructions.
I never imagined I'd get my dream character add to Smash, let alone the moveset being extremely fun to play and top tier in matchups!
My dream character is Sub Zero. Perhaps fighter pack 3 is on the horizon?
@@nathanielreichert4638 I'd bet on it. When MK8 DLC is done, Nintendo will go back to Smash Ultimate and probably release 4-12 new characters. It's just too profitable to stop now
I literally just bought aegis today to use in world of light and I said to myself "man, these two are insanely strong, I wonder if they're top tier" so I looked it up on UA-cam and found this video, and it only proved my observation, but they're so fun to play
I just like playing Pyra and Super Pyra.
Also Xenoblade.
I believe in: playing the fighter's game of origin makes you stronger as them 😎
Yeah, they definitely have two things going for them alright. Two big things.
12:50 I love that analogy. "Why make $20 an hour when you can make $40?" 🤣
I wanted Rex tbh but I got Sephiroth so I cant complain 😂
Seems you have a thing for silver haired guys
@@ayar2 😏
As someone who's put hundreds of hours into both Xenoblade 1 and 2, seeing their reveal trailer got me so hyped that I was absolutely determined to main them, no matter how good they were. It was honestly just a bonus that they're super good and top tier, I'd love playing Pyra/Mythra regardless 😊
She’s broken. And I’m serious. The fact dead brain players look like they doing damage for spamming is crazy
Pyra/Mythra are fun but I legit feel kinda bad playing them sometimes. The first time I hit down air into up smash as Pyra was I think the first time I really realized "okay, maybe there really _is_ something wrong with this character's tuning."
Definitely looking forward to the Pokémon Trainer video, they're my main and I'm really interested in seeing how other people see them.
I mean there is technically nothing wrong with picking a character in a video game at least in theory however it does mean that you would never be a crowd pleaser if anything people would boo Aegis
@@NightRaven5568 And rightfully so
Aegis fun to use, my main, go to tournaments with her
Love how he talks about everything except how this character is as durable as soggy single ply toilet paper
Ehh it's not to bad in terms of weight but their recovery is pretty trash
@@benjaminwalker9369 *Happy Pyra noises*
@@benjaminwalker9369 Low weight characters are oddly super dishonest compared to Mythra and Cloud when it comes to being "glass cannons" because of how absurd their defensive tools are.
You should do a Why No One Plays about Little Mac
Yup, they're so easy and rewarding, MKLeo got his lowest placement in an offline tournament in years trying to solo them.
People play them for the same reason they play Kayn. You can have whatever you need. Except Kayn can't switch forms.
Theyre like roy but Mythra has a lot more usable moves which makes her much more flexible
Let’s be honest here. Most people put Aegis down when they found out they couldn’t spam B attacks and the dash attack isn’t that effective for Pyra because she’s slow.
I rarely come across aegis players and when I do they suck.
-Pyra main.
Pyra f smash kills at 30, overall has stupid kill power and good range, and that down air is just stupid.
Mythra has good combo game, down tilt combos to basically everything, her tilts and aerials are good.
AND you get invincibility when switching.
So this is the ‘I paid 5.99 I am better than you’ mechanic :)
Whenever I take a stock off of a Pissra tryhard I tbag intensely to get in their head if they want to play a brain dead character to cheap and easy wins this what they get other than smelling worse than a skunk spray
@@albertthepeacock8020 I honestly don’t blame people playing more lame than usual if it’s fp2 I guess that’s the cons, I’ll always laugh whenever aegis or a top tier character that is +2 for them malds for losing against me.
@@DrunkPanda239 It feels like Sakurai made them obnoxious on purpose to justify the 5.99 I love making Pissra tryhards mald after they switched to spamming Blazing Edge when they start losing the match
Dash attack combos into Dash attack lmao what is that
@@albertthepeacock8020 touch grass my guy
If you think a character is super OP and you always hate losing to them, you could always just....play them. This is what made me switch to Aegis.
"NOO!! You were told to defeat them, not join the dark side!!"
If you can’t beat ‘‘em join ‘em
I was about to comment that Aegis is literally Smash 4 Cloud but then you immediately said it. Cloud and Bayo made me pretty much completely stop playing Smash 4 online.
Hot take: I liked the Smash 4 online til it was just the same 2 characters over and over.
At least with Ultimate I still see variety online for the most part.
Yeah instead of 2 characters you see 8 characters. Real talk 89 characters in the game and literally half of who I see are DLC.
Waifus are rated E for everyone
Words to remember
Smash 4 Cloud was a general all-around good character. The main issue with him is that you could literally button mash because all of his attacks had massive range and zero punish window. I can't think of a single character who can button-mash their way to victory.
Ok who's the other one?
we just need Noah/Mio in smash now. i can only wish
I main pythra but because they're the addition I wanted since I got done with the game the exact way i wanted: without rex, screw rex
I feel like either Sakurai simped when he added her, or simps threaten him to make her busty.....I mean busted
I played xenoblade 2 and then played as pyra and mythra because I loved the character in the game but I'm still mad that Rex isn't in Smash
Why Everyone Tried Them And Then Realised They Require A Lot More Effort At Top Level, And So Went Back To Their Old Main.
Mythra’s weakness: Obsolete thanks to Pyra
Pyra’s weakness: Obsolete thanks to Mythra
Who programmed these characters?!
Neither's recoveries are good, nor do they have good out of shield options or goid safety on shield
I play them because I love Xenoblade. That's all. I don't know why people have such a hard time believing that
most people in the competitive scene play characters which can get them wins easier, while the wider rest play characters because they´re either fun or know and likes the series they come from, I play Samus and Ridley because Im a Metroid fan, alongside Byleth and Corrin, because i also like fire emblem.
Because picking a top tier is just instantly seen as being a "meta slave" regardless if you like the character or not tho none of the characters I like are top tiers
See you get it too not all aegis mains play too win. As a massive xenoblade fan it's only right
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Bro i'm Main Aegis because I love xenoblade as a secondary i play shulk
My little brother plays pyra mythra just because it's broken character
My little brother doesnt Even play xenoblade
He just play the character because it's broken unlike me I play it because I love the franchise
Even if Aegis was the worst character in the Game I would play it
On a new nintendo console with a new super smash Bros Game in the future if they nerf pyra mythra shulk or they add Noah and mío or Jin from torna Golden country
It Will be known who are the true fans of the saga and the characters
@@alejandrohaeckermann7513 exactly see you get it too
Here’s a tough question:
Which channel(or game) do you think Vars does best at?
I
II
Or III?
Considering that I play both Xenoblade reps main Shulk and secondary Pyra/Mythra. When playing the Aegis it feels like Mythra is Speed Art and Pyra is Smash Art to a degree. Except Mythra has better frame and Pyra who’s frame data is closer to Shulk but has a way better ground game than Shulk. The big issue with them is their recovery and how a little too straight forward they are. Like Shulk you mix playstyles that require different mentality and knowing when to play Mythra or Pyra.
It’s like Shulk except with not as much to worry about basically making them an easy version of Shulk. In your video you say Shulk Monado arts puts him at risk which is true, but he can switch arts to lower the risk. Aegis recovery being bad always puts them at risk at dying early just like in your clip where Mythra dies at 29%.Their recovery is why at top level play you are seeing way less of them. Even online where there used to be tons of Aegis are barely seen now because exploiting the recovery has gotten to frustrating to play them.
I would go more into detail but this comment will be very long. I’ll just say this both Xenoblade reps are top tier characters but their most common flaw is mostly losing to themselves more than anything.
They're cute and fun. And very very good. One of the only top tiers I play in any game
as a pyra & mythra main, i 100% agree with you
I played them bc i like xenoblade, but then I saw that they are just really good in smash
When I saw pyra first, I thought "ok, ok, relatively strong, but still a fair fight." When I saw mythra, I thought "SHE FUCKING TELEPORTING!! WHAT THE HELL??? HOW is she so FAST?!?"
I might be a bit too salty
I ASKED FOR THEM IN COMMENTS LETS GO
Great character, and few people take advantage about foresight. Mkleo tried it sometimes, but he switched so quickly to Pyra and characters as Diddy and Wario destroying her quickly.
2:00 man’s said dragon quest isn’t a hot topic… he doesn’t know what goes on outside of America like dang… he did em so dirty
New subscriber here. Good content, but there are a few suggestions I'd make. Project your voice more, add some inflection, and don't forget to take pauses to breathe. It sounds like you're speaking in run-on sentences and have a monotone voice. I only offer this suggestion to help you improve. Otherwise, great content and I look forward to more.
Your Videos are allways a Highlight for me!! =D
As much as I like playing Aegis, I'd actually say the characters are a little too sweaty to really be considered easy to use. Sure, they're simple to understand like most sword characters but just like most of those characters, they lack a good recovery. I'd also say they're a little harder to use off stage compared to most of the Fire Emblem characters. Both Pyra and Mythra try to make up for each other's short comings so neither really feels complete on their own which is by design but it'd probably be easier for most people to play Roy to try and get the best of both worlds instead of having to switch. I'll be honest, I tend to have more fun and better results with Mini Swordfighter so when people say Aegis is top tier, I just get confused.
Yeah I think Vars is severely downplaying their weaknesses in practice, if we're being honest
@@PKRockin7 that’s all he does when he talks about any FP2 character that isn’t named Sora
@@PKRockin7 RPG characters in general usually have bad recoveries, so it make sense that Pyra and Mythra suffer from this more than the others.
Makes me think of how cool they could make some things. Imagine playing as Mario and being able to switch to Dr.Mario mid match! Or bowser Jr and bowser etc… perhaps someone who mods can or already has done this ?
Super Smash Bros Double Dash
I think we all know at least 50% of Pyra/Mythra players exist because of those big anime milkers...
I think this is the first why everyone plays video that I disagree with most of. There's a reason people dropped aegis at the end of 2021 and it's not just because Steve came out. There's a reason Leo lost with them and isn't playing them anymore. They are certainly a top tier character, but they have a lot more limitations than vars mentioned, and I think the conclusion he comes to about overtuned characters is definitely wrong. All of this is especially weird in the context of just how viable most of the cast in ultimate are.
Steve came out way before Pyra/Mythra
@@EmperorPenguin1217 why does that matter?
@@samk2407 Because that was how your phrasing implied it in your original statement.
This is why I always say if you play Aegis, then you're carried. That being said, I do like to play them sometimes
A ZeRo quote that really stuck with me is: "In Smash 4, Cloud didn't beat you because he had cheese or gimmicks that he could rely on to close out stocks early. Cloud beat you by being a better character."
Honestly... yeah
As an Aegis main and Byleth secondary who was a Dark Pit, Joker and Zelda main prior, I genuinely just had difficulty doing everything at once, and was still playing those 3 previously mentioned well after the release of Aegis...
Then the day came, I was doing a random 1v1 with my friend, and got Aegis, and I just loved the way they flowed and how their moveset felt, and I started playing them more and more (thats the same case for Byleth)
I even admit, I am not good at the game, I am carried by the character I play
That still doesnt help me though against my friends playing their mains though...
And how you mentioned earlier about people dont really know the character theyre playing from their actual franchise or because theyre a huge fan of it, they just play em because of theyre playstyle, however Smash did that to me in reverse, after i got smash, i got Fire Emblem 3 Houses and Persona 5 Royal, and plan on getting Xenoblade 2 soon
Pyra/Mythra is Sakurai-san's compromise to those expecting Mai Shiranui to be in Smash.
At least that's what i believe. 😅
Imagine Rex as update fighter by rumors it be nice, but he destroyed Sora about some seconds.
Also lots realize more Xenoblade characters are coming as playable and non playable in updates.
Hey vars, just wanna say I love ur videos like these but I have a suggestion...
What about a why "almost everyone" and/or "almost no one" plays series? There are some good characters that don't get much representation(take mario he only has 2 notable reps)
Also totally agree with this video. Aegis players are either Xenoblade fans, or they just wanna win💀💀
i play them because i wanted them in the game from the beginning as i played the xenoblade games
You ever going to go a video on the Belmonts?
I don't know if he asks why nobody plays low tiers.
Two words. Jiggle Physics.
They're just another excuse for Smash players to stay indoors smelling worse than they already do
Pyra Down Smash
@@albertthepeacock8020 Fun Fact: Most of the characters of Xenobalde 2 were designed by a Hentai artist!😳😳😳😳😳
@@albertthepeacock8020 stay mad lmao.
I got into the Aegis out of a slight curiosity then got into xenoblade chronicles 2 then DE and 3, love xeno2 it really hit different, if this was for marketing then...well played Nintendo...
Yeah nobody plays P+M because of the double-weebage factor, just because she is a good fighter
not gonna lie i never noticed that the 3 in your name meant 3rd channel
I mained ridley, k. Rool, richter, and then aegis. I did my time playing low tiers and now I profit
Zero suit Samus still rules over these two in terms of appearance and sexiness
Ofc
They're fun. They're top tier waifus. Straightforward gameplay. Tests you if you know and can implement the fundamentals in your gameplay. Adaptable.
Everyone plays her because spammy, great frame data, noob friendly, overtuned and great mobility
Because they’re braidhead, glue-eating, unga bunga easy
Why everyone plays pyra and mythra, for 4 big reasons, 2 on each.
Gotta love how even Vars, who tries to be as objective and fair as possible, outright states that Aegis is straight up overpowered and doesn't have adequate weaknesses to balance out their strengths. Makes me glad I stopped playing Smash.
Mythra straight up just seems like Speed Art Shulk if he didn't lose jump height and had better smash attacks.
This video should be called: WHY NOT PLAY PYRA AND MYTHRA?
Because the select minority in the Smash community like me value personal hygiene and the sweet rays of sunlight
Because I'm not a sweaty fatass neckbeard
(to the replies): Why answer a question that wasn't even being actually asked so virulently?
@@albertthepeacock8020no you don't, don't be a hypocrite