Abraham and Ancient Egypt: Historical and Biblical Perspectives
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The ancient history of Egypt intersects for the first time with the Biblical narrative when Abraham traveled from Canaan to Egypt during the 12th Dynasty, possibly during the reign of Sensusret III. By that time the great pyramids had stood for hundreds of years, and Egyptian civilization had realized some of its most important accomplishments. There are no known Egyptian records attesting to Abraham's visit, as recorded in Genesis 12, but the story, taken a face value, presents a picture compatible with the history of the Land of the Nile, and that perspective forms the assumptions of the presentation here. For more free resources, please visit www.brucegore.com.
The Pharaoh's scepter is, I think, a wheat flail. This is an agricultural instrument used to separate the wheat from the chaff. This could symbolize the justice of the pharaoh separating the bad people from the good people.
Misha Griffith
Exactly, that’s why it’s called the crook & the flail. I always wondered what they represented; and you & the professor answered my questions, well done.
And I thought it was just a fancy fly swatter!!
Yep. The scepter represents a Farmer and the crook represents a Shepherd. It must have multiple implications including the one you proposed.
@@LK-ho1dg I give you another one, the Falcon represents a hunter and also the domination of the sky. Same thing, it must have multiple implications..
The Ancient Africans were Amazing. A new understanding and the new testament. The sun and the son of man is one.
Assumption is not history. Not only is there no record of Abraham in Egypt nor is there any record anywhere else for that matter.
It's called Historical Fiction
Classic Argument from Ignorance fallacy. The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
How much documentary evidence is there for any random person living in antiquity? 0.
//Not only is there no record of Abraham in Egypt nor is there any record anywhere else for that matter. //
Obviously wrong, since Abraham is mentioned in Genesis, a 12th century BC document.
The bible is official record. Why would Egypt make s stone monument commemorating a brief visit from a strange dude and his entourage?
@@blain20_ that’s why you need to point to Egypt because you can’t find Abraham. Clearly neither of you know what you’re talking about. The Bible is not history it’s theology. Yes there’s a difference. You don’t have the Bible in history class. There’s no new information about Abraham other than what’s written in scripture.
You're funny. The Bible is not history. Well, it was recorded within a 1500 year span . To boot, oddly it was interwoven with a myriad of historical existences and landmarks.
For those wondering about "Ra" being pronounced as "ray" - the vowels, where they exist in hieroglyphics, are only an approximation, and you'll see "Ra" and "Re", "Amun-Ra" and "Amun-Re" in textbooks. Besides, both "Re" and "Ra" are only approximations - according to ancient Hittite records, the name would probably have been pronounced "REE-a". Unlike Egyptian, Hittite cuneiform script is syllabic, and preserves the vowels attached to the consonants, so Ramesses ("born of Ra/Re") was heard by the Hittite scribes as "REE-a-mi-shi-sha", meaning that the first syllable, which most of us pronounce Ra, was actually "REE-a".
@@LK-ho1dg Thanks for that, but I doubt the Hittites would have inserted additional vowel sounds that weren't there to begin with, especially when they had symbols for the syllable "ra".
Interestingly, there's another of Ramesses' names/titles, traditionally rendered "Setepenre", which also has a refence to Ra (or Re) at the end. This was rendered by the Hittite scribes as "Sha-tap-na-REE-a", so there seems to be a consistent pattern here.
@@LK-ho1dg From my knowledge, Hebrew also lacked vowels. Hence the Tetragrammaton YHWH. So whatever translation in the bible is also an approximation.
Incorrect the name was never used by the Egyptians in Abraham's time because those Egyptians were located just East of the dead sea in the plains of Jordan and had not migrated into the Nile Valey yet.
The Name Ra came from a descendant of the later migrated Egyptians who did settle at the Nile.
Genesis 10; 6 The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizʹra·im(Formed the Egypt referred with Abraham in Jordan),+ Put,+ and Caʹnaan.+
7 The sons of Cush were Seʹba,+ Havʹi·lah, Sabʹtah, Raʹa·mah(sons were Sheba and Dedan),+ and Sabʹte·ca.
The sons of Raʹa·mah were Sheʹba(Upper Egypt) and Deʹdan(Lower Egypt).
Mizraim and her Great Nephew Ra-amah and their descendants settled in Upper and Lower Egypt as one peoples. The name Ra at that time made and referred to their ancestor Ra-amah as a God by this time.
Mizraim was the progenitor of the Egyptian tribes as well as some non-Egyptian tribes, and the name came to be synonymous with Egypt.
Genesis 50;11,,,,,,11 The inhabitants of the land, the Caʹnaan·ites, saw them mourning at the threshing floor of Aʹtad, and they exclaimed: “This is a great mourning for the Egyptians!” That is why it was named Aʹbel-mizʹra·im,* which is in the region of the Jordan.,,,,,,,,,,,
This is the Egypt first mentioned of Abraham's first encounter/visit in Jordan and later his second encounter with these Egyptians was after the first great drought and famine and were relocated to the Nile in North Africa areas.
@@about2mount what madness are you on? The Egyptians are far more ancient than the time Abraham would have been. Their origins are not in Jordan. Their origins begin in the Sahara before the it had dried up and become a dessert. We find the precursor to Egyptian gods in caves I. The Saraha as well as in caves in nubia. We also see the begi in s of Egyptian burial practices in the Sahara ad well. When we date them they are over 10,000 years ago. Not even the world's first civilization, Mesopotamia was around yet. The Bible attempts to retroactively account for the Egyptians existence and gets it 100% wrong. Of course they do. The Isrealites only started writing things down about 3800 years ago. They made up everything based on their very narrow ignorant view of their small part of the world. Egypt's true name Ham does not come from the what the bi le says it does. It comes from the Egyptian world for black land. The Isrealites used the world Ham and invented the character of Ham, Noah's offspring to explain the Egyptians. But they are wrong. We know Noah's story is not true. But a recreation of another older flood myth. It's all mythology. Your mistake is using the Bible as actual history. It is not. And can't be trusted in that regard. All the Bible records is what those who wrote it believed not what actually happened.
Ravi sun god in sanskrit
It is the consensus of nearly all/most secular scholars that the biblical character Abraham did not exist. Same for Moses. Same for the Exodus. Taking OT stories literally is risible intellectual folly.
Ignoring archaeological evidence of Jacob, Joseph, Manasseh, and the Hebrew palaces and burials is the practice of morons.
It is very difficult to listen to a lecturer with a strong religious bias like this one. Too many face palm moments and cringes. I haven heard any of these links being made since the 1950's in normal scientific papers. Surreal,.. But I guess that is normal in the US.
I'm 3 min in and I already cringed hearing the teacher tell the class "this is probably more than you ever wanted to know about Egypt but don't worry we'll be getting to great bible stories". I'm assuming it gets worse
I thought this was going to be real history. I made it up to him saying that Egyptian monotheism under Akhenaten was a result of the Israelites . DEAR GAWD!!
I heard no religious bias at all. Mentioning a record related to a religion is not evidence of bias.
@@2ezee2011 wait until you find out the history we’ve been given by the world is in no way real 💀
He never been to the pyramid?!? I can’t listen to any historical teacher surrounding this era that has not seen the biggest achievement in said time. I don’t fall into this paradigm but still
This guy totally doesn't know his way around ancient Egypt. Soooo many issues with the characterization and description. That picture at minute 25 is SO NOT HORUS. Among other things already mentioned below, and possibly already mentioned in a comment I didn't see.
The plagues are likely real outcomes of one of the Thera/Santorini eruptions that were one or more absolutely catastrophic climate destroying events between 1450 and 1150 BCE. These absolutely destroyed Mycenaean and Minoan civilization and very much weakened Hittites who collapsed later but soon after.
The plagues do logically follow in an order reflecting likely effects on the Nile ecosystem of an eruption about that far away.
They seem to have been reported twice a couple hundred years apart, and they match fairly closely the Exodus list. There is a theological explanation of the later plagues in Tuts time. That being that the old gods wanted Amarna abandoned and their worship resumed - which DID happen.
So where did the monotheists go? Probably northeast where other monotheists - Zoroastrian predecessors - already were. And where there were a ragtag bunch of survivors of tsunamis and subsequent pirate raids in a place Egypt abandoned: Canaan.
The Falcon deity shown in the clip while discussing RA is Horus. Horus was the son of the Sun God, who was also known as Osirus. But very interesting video, thank you for the upload.
The problem with Abraham is his similarity to the Vedic deity Brahma. his entire story and relation to his wife are too similar to the much older god. So Abraham either can't have been a real person or the real historical Abraham is merged with imported myths about Brahama.
Precise. Astrology
Add to that the fact tbat both cultures lived between two rivers, Mesopotamia and Indian, Sarasvati river drying up would have forced the move to Mesopotamia fron India.
@@SuperRobinjames nice catch!
Your ability to use logic is detestable. Brahma is based on the very real man named Abraham, who was the biological father of the Hindus with his wife Keturah.
@@blain20_ unless there is time travel that is impossible. The Vedic myths of Brahma predates the story of Abraham. Anthropology also found Vedic relics in Uruk which indicates that ancient India had communications with ancient Mesopotamia. This proves that The story of Brahma was imported into the Middle East as Abraham. This would also explain what the name Abraham has a dubious etymology in Hebrew, but in Hindi Brahma has a very clear etymology.
Edit: also what made up nonsense are you talking about. Lol.
The Indians are far older than the Hebrews and Midians how the hell could they be the origin of the Hindus? Time to stop reading the fictional Bible and pick up a history book.
I believe the longest lasting civilization is India with Egypt a close second.
Indus valley civilization collapsed around 1700 BC while that of Egyptian survived.
I wish you cited your sources. I think your mixing up details. The historical exodus occurred after the reign Akhenaten. We know this because the Bible mentions cities that only existed historically after this period.
Please see Ancient Egypt and the Bible Channel on the Exodus.
The someone who thought of stacking mastabas was a man by the name of Imhotep.
Akhenaten couldn't have gotten the idea of monotheism from the Hebrews, for a number of reasons.
Mainly the fact that enslavement and exodus never happened but most importantly because the hebrews were still polytheistic at the time.
Exactly...Monotheistic concept came much earlier than this young ruler...
Aidan Magill yeah, this guy is full of bullshite....
He just shared a conjecture... he never said that was fact. A good teacher shares all perspectives even ones they don’t agree with which he clearly said 🤦🏾♀️
The Exodus happened despite your ignorance.
Abraham according to the bible seems pre pharohs or between pre dynastic (Kings) into the period of dynastic pharohs. According to bible when Abram & Sari went to egypt, the egyptian king seemed to have had a knowledge of true God when God warned him to not touch Sari and he acknowledge Abram as an important person, also and interesting note, the king of egypt could not have been young as Sari was between 60-70years old, so ( I'm guessing) Maybe Sari looked after the woman of his haram.
The problem the apologists, as I say repeatedly in my own vids, is they ignore the fact that many Hebrew stories are modified stories from other cultures. No one could logically argue that the flood story came from the ancient Sumerians for example. So when they "prove" a histprical "fact" or relic that they claim gives legitimacy to the Old Testament they really aren't. Or they find a piece of evidence for events in history and make this grand leap that it proves the entire bible story. Like when a piece of evidence showed Hebrew slaves. I'm sure there were some Hebrew slaves. But there is nothing to show global slavery nor exodus of what would have been several million people. That is a fallacy and the type of fallacy the apologists use in most of their arguments. Cheers, DCF
ABRAHAM LIVED IN THE TIME OF AMENEMHET III M.Ö 1860
YUSUF LIVED IN THE TIME OF HIKSOS KING YAKUP-HAR M.Ö 1650
Anymore lectures by Dr. Kenneth Harl? He is also very engaging and informative, like this gentlemen. Thank you for posting this. Always the best on UA-cam in my opinion. One question though, his map doesn’t include wakanda? Is that an oversight or a deliberate move by a bigot? Hmmm... makes ya think
You're joking, right?
Well, what do you expect, when some starts off with, 'This map is not wonderful, but its the best I could come with.' So, now what do you think, oversight?
Wakanda was hidden to him, cause he's not from there.
Wakanda Forever!
BHI is ridiculous
Right off the bat, saying Israel wasn’t threatened from the West is pretty strange… the Philistines invaded exactly from the sea to the West and were among the most pernicious enemies of ancient Israel. So, this makes listening to the rest pretty difficult.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
@Thoth Al Khem However you want to pronounce it the Scripture is still there. Don't know what pronunciation of the word Jesus has to do with anything! If you know better, what was His name?
@Thoth Al Khem You morons need to stop doing this all over the internet.
Egypt is in Africa 🌍 it was known as kemet civilization the Greeks came up with the name Egypt it's online look it up Ancient Egypt was pure African people period not Egyptian and Mediterranean dark 🌑 skin bs
100 true facts 💯 facts 💯
According to the chronology of biblical events that God's word, the Bible, reveals
Abraham lived from 2111 until 1936 BC,
{2036 BC Confirmation in Galater 3,17
(from Abraham's coming to Kanaan at the age of 75, until the Exodus from Egypt, the 430 years under foreign rule are counted: 2036 - 1606 BC}
{Ismael together with Hagar expulsed [Genesis 21,9-21] 2006 BC
- with Ismael's expulsion and Isaac as "Seed" und "Heir" accepted; from this point 400 years, in which the "Seed" of Abraham's is a stranger. Isaac and his descendents live in "strange land" and his seed is "in bondage and entreated evil" [Gen.15,13 und Acts 7,6].
400 years: 2006 - 1606 BC,
from Isaac as only heir,
to the Exodus from Egypt.}
Joseph before Pharaoh: 1830 BC
Jacob and his family arrived in Egypt: 1821 BC
{But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. Genesis 15, 16; And these are the names of the sons of Levi according to their generations; Gershon, and Kohath, and Merari: ... and the years of the life of *Levi* were an hundred thirty and seven years. ... And the sons of Kohath; *Amram,* and Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel: and the years of the life of Kohath were an hundred thirty and three years. ... And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years. ... And *Aaron* took him Elisheba, daughter of Amminadab, sister of Nahshon, to wife; and she bare him Nadab, and Abihu, *Eleazar, and Ithamar.* Exodus 6, 16.18.20.23}
the Exodus 1606 BC,
[The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and
with an high arm brought he them out of it
{1606 BC}.
And about the time of forty years
suffered he their manners in the wilderness
{1606-1566 BC}.
1567-1267 BC first year of Jair [300 years mentioned by Jephtah]
- conquest of Jericho 1566 BC {"From 1952-58, Dame Kathleen Kenyon excavated at Jericho and dated the destruction of City IV to the end of the Middle Bronze Age, ca 1550 BC (Kathleen Kenyon, Digging Up Jericho (London: Ernest Benn, 1957), 262.), meaning that there was no city of Jericho for Joshua to conquer at the time the Bible describes the conquest of Canaan."} -
And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Canaan
{6 years: 1566-1560 BC},
he divided their land to them by lot
{14 years: 1560-1546 BC}.
And after that he gave unto them judges about the space of four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet
{336 years of peace +114 years of oppression
= 450 years: 1546-1096 BC}.
And afterward they desired a king:
and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin,
by the space of forty years {1096-1056 BC}.
And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will
{40 years: 1056-1016 BC}.
Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: Acts 13, 17-23]
the 4th year of Salomon 1012 BC
{1016-1012 BC; 1 Kings 6, 1: 1606-1012
= (594-114 years of oppression=) 480 years},
divided Empire (Israel / Juda) 976 BC,
390 years later: 586 BC destruction of Jerusalem
[70 years of Jeremiah (Jer. 25, 1): 606-536 BC].
516 BC 2nd temple completed
445 BC Encounter between Nehemiah and Hanani. Nehemiah then asks for a leave of absence and becomes governor for 12 years.
During this time the wall will be completed.
Later, Esra's lecture awakens hearts.
The Feast of Tabernacles is celebrated, daily reading, fasting and confession.
[Neh 1, 2] [Neh 2, 1] [Neh 5, 14] [Neh 6, 15] [Neh 8] [Neh 9, 3]
According to Neh 5, 14 Nehemiah is on leave and from 445 - 433 BC (for 12 years) governor of Judea.
The 69 year-weeks up to the Messiah
A daily week has seven days.
A year week has seven years.
69 year-weeks contain 69 x 7 = 483 years.
The year is counted with 360 days.
This results, among other things, from the information about the last, the 70th week of the year, in Revelation 11, 2-3.
There, half of the last week of the year (3 1/2 years) is given as 42 months or 1260 days (Rev 11, 2.3).
A complete year-week of 7 years therefore has twice as many days:
1260 x 2 = 2,520 days;
or 42 x 2 = 84 months,
or 84 / 12 = 7 years.
If a year week counts 2,520 days,
then 69 year weeks count 2,520 x 69 = 173,880 days.
The conversion of the 173,880 days
into years to 365 or 366 days
The Jews did not need a conversion into our calendar at that time. However, if we want to understand the information according to our calendar, we have to take the trouble to convert the years from 360 days to years of 365 or 366 days, so that we can get the desired result in our calendar.
The 173,880 days equal 476 years and 140 days:
173,880 days / 365 days = 476.3836 years = 476 years plus 0.3836 years x 365 = 140 days.
(Nehemiah 2, 1) to the entry of the Messiah into Jerusalem in 32 AD, where the Lord was publicly acclaimed as the Messiah just before he was crucified, exactly 476 years.
(according the whole context of God's word, the Bible, from Chronologie biblischer Ereignisse (Kurt Wolfgang Becker): leben - ist - mehr . at /chronologie/)
You are such a treasured find on UA-cam-- in depth history and its role in contextualizing the Biblical narrative is my jam!!!! 😎... thx so so much!
Who were the so-called Egyptians father?
Typical Eurocentric Trash.
Egypt?
It's called Kemet Not Egypt!
Egyptians are the descendance of our invaders like the Hyksos your people, we the Africans the Nubians the Kushites the Sudanese!
Is it an accident you are trying to wibeout Nubians out of history?
Moses himself, was a Kemite, yes a A Nubian according to the unanimous opinion of all historians more than 2,000 years ago including Josephus!
Moses was student of the Nubian king "Akhnaton" son of the Nubian queen Taya not Tyie who clearly state it, how he got this "old" new faith of worshipping "Aton" instead of "Amon" from Nubia!!!
Abraham God was Amon Ra, God of the Nubians and his name "Abraham" was a a Nubian name means "Ab Ra", yes "Slave of Ra"!
Yes he came to our land "Kemet" as a refugee fleeing starvation, during the Hyksos era, and this is why he was circumcised at very old age to worship Ra!
Its only biblical perspective
U did not mention any other historical perspective or source
Ragarding abraham in egypt and the story of sara pharao abraham taking the gifts etc
This has no historical evidence
And my second question is mesopotamia was the land of agriculture the main fertile crescent
The land between two rivers
Abraham belonged to that region
So why go to egypt during famine??
Was mesopotamia affected by femine
Did the rivers of tigris and euphrates dry up??
What about the fertile lands of anatolia and western coastal land near canaan
What about jordan river ?
Need better historical and environmental data
Even to make a solid hypothesis
Egypt is not Mizraim as mentioned in the OT.
The alleged kingdoms in Palestine Israel and Judea wers as tiny as the China town to the vast USA.
If there was a riot in this Chaina town that never means to send hundreds of thousands of US soldiers led by the president himself to overcome the riot. This looks trivial and unwortht. The above mentioned microscopic alleged kingdoms are the same if they really existed in Palestine.
At the time of Abraham, there was nothing called Chaldeans as it appears in English translations of the OT because the Hebrew word is Kassidim. So, where is this Kassidim and you have to know that the last two letters in the word Kassidim are used for plural so who were the Kassidim. As you know names can't be translated, you can't translate Georgia beautiful.
Abraham left his wife Hagar in the desert. Was this desert in the south of Palestine or Nevad?
It was in Makka-Hijaz. A place appears clearly both in Arabic and Hebrew in old copy from the Abbaside period and a copy of the Egyptin Arab Rabbai Sadia Gaoon Al Fayoumi in the 10th century. This name Makka utterly disappears from today's OT and of course all European languages copies.
the flail represents agriculture and threshing grain. there are many paintings of threshing in the record. The crook represents the other main subsistence mode in ancient Egypt, pastoralism. It's for hooking a sheep or goat by the neck.
What a perverted slander against Abraham, peace be upon him. He was one of the most dignified men. Sending his wife to Pharoah? How can you even believe in this text? What did you do to you book?
Abraham was a Horite.
That's a secret.
Ra is not a Sun God.
Ra is Heru Khuti=Mars
Abraham was a follower of Heru=Horites
I do not believe the great pyramids were built after the great flood. If one really investigates this, they will find that much of the knowledge we learn from the, (so called) experts , is speculative at best. Take it with a grain of salt.
Shawn Wright&theTribe They would be post Flood because the whole Geologic column was produced in the Flood and they sit above it. Also the scripture is clear that the whole surface of the Earth was wiped and most Pre Flood stuff turns up in oil and coal, produced by the flood. Remember before the Flood it was only one continent and the majority of the movement of the continental plates likely happened during that year of the Flood, while submerged.
Side note: God, or Dios, is defined as a supreme judge. Hence the Israelitas use capital letter to denote their singular God. 📜
AE African civilization with African values and traditions, not Near Eastern. All the flora and fauna belong to Africa
Egypt is technically advanced but this taking credit for Gods work was their downfall.
period of decline (-2500 to 1991).
that's hilarious
Using the bible as factual. Abraham?
21:29 And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What mean these seven ewe lambs
which thou hast set by themselves?
21:30 And he said, For these seven
ewe lambs shalt thou take of my hand, that they may be a witness unto
me, that I have digged this well.
21:31 Wherefore he called that place Beersheba; because there they
sware both of them.
21:32 Thus they made a covenant at Beersheba: then Abimelech rose up,
and Phichol the chief captain of his host, and they returned into the
land of the Philistines.
21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on
the name of the LORD, the everlasting God.
21:34 And Abraham sojourned in the Philistines' land many days.
So historians and bible supporters what is wrong with this passage?
Nothing, Abraham is clearly a Philistine spy! Or else those guys ARE Philistines and he's making a peace "covenant".
But the archaeological problem is that the Philistines are retired Sea Peoples that late Bronze Age pharaohs settle as soldiers in Canaan, and that just hadn't happened yet in Abrahams supposed time. It's all just a province of Egypt then.
@@crhu319 thank you that was my point. Abraham supposedly existed around 1950BCE and the Philistines don't show up until 1177BCE
@@fordprefect5304 1250 bc
@@cateyesloc3391 Your birthday?
@@fordprefect5304 the end of blacc Atenism
And birth of white Judaism
Akenaten came long after the Exodus. Saul wrote letters to him complaining about David and Jonathan. Otherwise, great talk.
Moses lived in the times of Ramesses II so Akhenaten could not have been inspired by Moses since he, Akhenaten, was pharaoh 40 years prior to ramesses's reign. It is therefor more likely that Moses took his monotheistic ideas from Akhenatens believes or better yet Moses is the folkloric legend of Akhenaten since there's no archeological evidence of Moses's existence.
According to biblical timeline and Egyptologist research his rule is not likely to have been much earlier than 13th century BCE or between 200 and 300years after the Exodus ....also after a post mortem on his corpse showed that he died at the age of 91 years full of arthritis, meaning he couldn't have be the pharaoh that led soldiers after the Israelites and died in the sea
Moses was long dead before Ramses II was born. Ramses II was Solomon's father-in-law and is named in the Bible as Shisha (Shishaq, actually, which is a scribal error). Chompollion was mistaken and David Rohl proves it.
@@patrickngunjiri5340 Ramses II lived during the 900s contemporary with David, Solomon, and Reoboam. His daughter married Solomon.
@@blain20_ No he didn’t
@@joeylonglegs4309 It's been proven beyond a shadow of doubt.
The Ancient Egyptians did NOT accept any foreigners into their sacred society. Serapis Cristos
Amazing to me that they lasted 3000 years and it feels usa is sinking in less than 300
The falcon god's name is Horus, not Re.
Lots of talk - little evidence for the unsettled claims.
Wasn't none of them white... always African
Very good and informative.
Accent reminds me of Jack Benny.
Frogs here frogs there 🐸 great presentation here
Interesting that the account here of how Abraham and Sarah handled their arrivial in Egypt is very similar to that which a Muslim Imam explained. However, he added that Abraham and Sarah decided to make up a story that Sarah was Abraham's sister so that there would be no reason for the Pharaoh to kil Abraham in order for Sarah to enter his harem. That, apparantely, is in the Q'uran.
The sun has gone dark more than just536
dude conflates gnats with scarabs!
Joseph Kania hes an articulate and glib odiot.... a “glidiot”....
First place I see the sun as Re instead of Ra...
This man has no idea
Ray not rey, osiris not re (for the falcon), and its pronounced narma not narmer...
Maybe you got Echnaton wrong and the story of moses and his followers were leftover followers of Aton.
Almost certainly. Monotheists today tend to be diehards so we have to assume they would go northeast and become Levites - who had Egyptian names and did not own land - helping out the locals with a unifying new religious tradition to make them cooperate.
You should get a real kemet guy to give the lecture. He is off . But I’ll let y’all research.
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There is a difference between Kemet (Ancient Egypt) and Egypt. Kemetics consist of Ausar, Tehuti, Sekher, Ma'at, Het Heru, Heru, Heru Khuti, Sobek, and Auset. These names were changed later to Osirus, Horus, ISIS, Thoth by the time the Greeks were around and a lot of the original symbols had changed meaning. For example Amen means hidden Kemet but means "So be it" in Christian understanding.
He's lying do your own research!
Cleopatra was a Greek.
I have said in other video about the sand or empires that have been divided in mesure for talents.
the falcon is Horus not Ra
The staff/Rod isnt the power. It was just a medium to release energy because the staff had the ability to hold energy like a crystal. The real power was within every God including Moses
The rod was a conduit of power. It was made of sapphire. Crystals were often used as focal points for energy and is where the idea of witch wands comes from. Crystals were used before the Flood for computing and as depicted in the Reeves Superman movies. The Baghdad weather machine is an example of this. Building complexes made of quartz and other crystalline stone arranged like computer components have been found all over the world and under water (the water level used to be much lower before the Flood).
Abraham the sheik.
With several thousand followers.
A political leader?
Egypt is in Africa
Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
@Col. George S. Patton, Sr. Col. George S. Patton, Sr. died September 25, 1864 (aged 31) at Winchester, Virginia. Who are you?
@Col. George S. Patton, Sr. I don't want to find you. I'm just trying to find out where you're coming from
@Col. George S. Patton, Sr. The word "anunnaki" appears nowhere in the Bible per se. It derives from the Book of Enoch not in the Biblical Cannon. The "Sons of God" were not angels at all but were flesh and blood human beings. The phrase "sons of God" appears eleven times in the Bible and it is quite evident from reading them that they are not fallen angels. I do not believe in myths unless there is factual evidence to support their basis.
@Col. George S. Patton, Sr. have you read Egyptologist Ahmed Osman's books on King Tut being Jesus and Akhenaton being Moses and Akhenaten's dad being Solomon?
@Col. George S. Patton, Sr. From my research I believe Ahmed Osman is spot on.
Egypt was a civilization before the Roman's came and before the titles called Pharaohs. Read Dr. West book
great scholarship Bruce,
Sun of ray ☀️
Gore makes really good lectures. great choice!
This video has very little to do with Abraham. I was looking for something on Abraham coming out of Ur and what was going in in the world around that time. I saw this and thought I'd learn something about Abraham going to Egypt. I'm over half way through the video and very little about Abraham has been lectured on. The lecture about the plagues in Moses' time was discussed a lot so I'm still waiting for a little bit about Abraham.
The only place you'll find the story of Abraham is in the book of Genesis. There is no non-Biblical source on this. If you were salivating at the thought that here is another example of..." archaeology supports the Bible ", you're gonna be disappointed.
Try Bible Canon?
Actually,there is an an ancient Egyptian text that mentions the " field of Abram"
The original Pharoah in his spirit form ( since he died centuries before) sends a messenger to Moses, saying that he doesn't like what's happening in Kemet ( Egypt ).
Exdous 3:2 There the angel ( mesenger) of the Lord ( Pharoah ) appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.
Exodus 3:7, "The LORD ( Pharoah ) said, 'I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. Exodus 3:13-14 But Moses said to God ( Pharoah) , “If I now come to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God ( Pharoah ) of your ancestors has sent me to you,' .
Hosea 8:13-14
They will return to Egypt. Israel has forgetten their Maker. Isaiah 19:19 In that day there will be an altar ( Pyramid ) to the LORD ( Pharoah ) in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar ( obelisk ) to the LORD at its border.
Say wu?
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they cropped put the entire Africa, and used the meditarenian sea as pretext to make Egypt part of the middle east. As far as Im concerned the Nile river was the most important system and it flows all the way to East Africa.
Ok the guys no nothing on the subject
You know nothing about spelling properly.
@@blain20_ English is my 4th language so …
This person knows how to connect the dots. Respect to you, Sir. 📜🕊️🌿🕯️
2,500 b.c. ??!! yeah...right....WAY earlier....see REAL Egyptologists.......
He only understands literally, but those were metaphorical, and he had no idea.
You lost me already Egypt wouldn’t exist without Nubia
The first Egyptian dynasty violently destroyed Nubia what are you talking about? They took their men and used them as their work force/armed forces but that's really as far their contribution goes.
@@Jonathan-fn5dq I’m sure your white because I’ve never heard that been taught that or read that and there’s no Egyptologist white or black that I’ve studied that’s ever said anything remotely close good day
Ancient Nubia🗣 and Kemet🗣 Egypt are the same people Jonathan
@@petermorton301 No they aren't. Please develop a fully formed historical world view, google is right there and you can look up exactly what I said if you actually want to know the facts ot the matter.
@@974ofn2 You have the historical world view of a toddler. Google will cure your ignorance.
Incorrect, incorrect, incorrect!!! Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!!
The true promise land is the glory of all lands. And that is in mainland Africa.
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Moron.
34:00 starts six whole minutes on "Abraham". Which repeats the Bible story. Unh huh. He's got several thousand people with him but no one tells the Pharaoh, their generous host, that Abraham is really her husband not her brother. Fact is, he be pimpin'. She's the rent and Abraham gets change in goods.
Abraham love Abraham stories. Married his sister then pimped her off to the Pharaoh got her back with some sheep as payment. Tried to pimp her off again when she was 90.Didn't go well but he got some more sheep. Old Yahweh promised he would have as many sons as stars in the sky. Old Yahweh didn't have telescope or he would have never made that prophecy. He bought a plot of land from the Philistines (aka the sea people) who didn’t show up in the Levant for another 800 years. (Time machine?) People believe this stuff.
When Abram told his wife Sarai to tell Pharaoh she was his sister, Sarai was in her 60s - according to the scriptures. If the Egyptians were finding 60-something year old women really attractive that says a lot about either the Egyptians or Sarai or both. Keep in mind that this story was told a couple different ways in Genesis giving us a hint of the two traditions that were melded by the scribes who meshed the code of the Law into a singular work. The work we refer to as the Law or Torah.
What it says is that any Biblical timelines prior to the Babylonian captivity are absolutely a crock.
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@@crhu319 actually not, date of Solomon's temples and conquest, conquest of northern empire matches perfectly
Actually it's not, in fact you can point out many such things even in if you divide things into sources ( J and dtr or traditional JEDP ( I think EJPD are more probable if these sources even existed ( they didn't)))
For example Abraham thinking why couldn't he conceive at 80 yrs of age while his son conceives at 100 and beyond
Apparently abaraham died as old man but acc to masoretic ages his great great grandfather was still alive
It's much more probable that ages are idealised and symbolic ( these numbers were used by various other civilisations as well)
Check 40 in moabite Stella it actually means long period
For example Moses lived in Egypt for 40 years then in midian for 40 years then 40 years in wilderness
40*3 = 12*10 you know these numbers are important
Or take for example case of Joseph who is associated with egypt lived 110
What is the ideal age in Egypt (110)
Take example of job
Who lived perfect life ( implies he would live perfect age 120)
But then that whole God Satan thing happened and he lived 160 ie 40+120 ( 120 means perfect age in canaanite and northern regions)
Hence job lived to he perfect of perfect age
It happened twice for Abraham (once in Egypt, though) and once for Isaac. Sarah was extremely beautiful. They both aged gracefully. Aging was different back then compared to now.
the naivety of christians can be positively endearing, poor things
The massive retardation of the people posting inane comments on UA-cam is frightening.
Oh my!!
WHY START HERE KEMET AND NUBIA GO BACK WAY FURTHER?
I watched a couple videos but calling both Horus and Anubis the sun God Ra was just too much.
What do you anubis being a sun god, he is the god of the after life(a guide) you dont really make sense with what you clearly said, what are you on?
@@munesh7692 I watched the video. In the pictures he presents and calls Ra, one is Horus and the other us Anubis. Neither was Ra.
What are you on?
@@stacya7204 Horus-Ra was a thing.
@@blain20_ *Amun-Ra
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Awesome!!!!!!
Ray? Ray??
This short for Raymond?
I getting to the point where I'm starting to believe that Americans mangle pronounciation just for the hell of it.
They decided that before they found other evidence of pronunciation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Hittites mentioned in the Bible are not the people who are of the Hittite Empire, that was a misattribution that's stuck.
Who do you think they were? I've struggled with hints that later Hittites may have been Israelites because Aeneas's father spoke to a Phrygian princess who knew his language and I believe he spoke Hebrew, but I'm not sure where to start researching it.
For anyone of African descent that would like a more evidence based, factual teaching of Egypt (which is not Egypt at all, it’s Kemet) I would suggest learning the teachings of Anthony T Browder, Shrine of Ptah’s Baaba Heru, Kaba Kemene, or Out of Darkness: Heavy is the crown. You’ll find just how twisted Kemet’s history is.
What a room of dummies who don't know Cleopatra was the Last Pharoah. Also the only Ptolemaic ruler to learn hieroglyphics. And had it not been for being up against the supergenius Octavian, she could well have become the co-ruler of Rome. And her son likely established a hereditary kingship as Emperor at least for a while.
What evidence do you have that she was the only one to learn hieroglyphs?
Technically, the Pope is Pharaoh. Rome conquered Egypt and took the title.
This “blue collar” girl enjoyed your presentation. I did not have to grapple to understand your lighthearted narrative.
I’m so infatuated with Egypt the secrets and mystery around it is astounding
Blue collar ???? Shut the fuck up
Total garbage 🗑 👎🏿
Seeing as you know so much about the Egyptians maybe you could help me out? It should be easy. They wrote everything they did on papyrus for nearly a thousand years so, where are the records of the Israelis being kept slaves? I mean, it must have been a logistic nightmare to feed, clothe and house them. I should imagine, seeing as Egypt had the most powerful army in the region, as standing army, that there are military records pertaining to chasing and entire ethnic group through the dessert but somehow never catching them. And pretty sure someone as important as moses gets a shout somewhere.
Its easy to find documentary evidence of them being held captive in Babylon they also wrote everything down. Then of course there's the *babylonian* Talmud.
Asking for a friend
Easy.
99% of all ancient records and artefacts have been lost. Only the rare few that are preserved in extremely dry climates have survived. Being near the Nile, in an extremely wet environment, it's expected that any written records would have been lost.
Nice appeal to ignorance fallacy though.
@@grantgooch5834 Or maybe it was just made up.
Egyptians did record a lot of things on stone as well. I think there is a mention of Israel, but nothing of Moses. Maybe no one has just found anything yet that mentions him. I think that's what old mate was asking.
@@theresawilliams4296 There are mentions of Jacob, Joseph, and Manasseh in stone. I think Moses is mentioned. Yahweh is also mentioned.
The whole old testament isnt compatible with its self if you actually know the source materials they syncretized. The Old Testament is just a series of stories (Mostly about Ba'al) that have been syncretized into yahwism and had therefore had their original deities stripped away.
Absolutely false.
@@blain20_ Ita absolutely not, and the only reason to think else wise is Faith. Secularly speaking its entirely correct. One is free to have Faith in what ever they like but it foes not alter the secular literary truth.
It is pronounced Ra, not Ray. I cringed everytime he mispronounced the name.
Amen-Ra
Not Amen-Rey!
He doesn’t know what he talking about.
It's pronounced Ria (ree-uh) currently by egyptologists.
Akenatem was the only (ONLY) monotheist pharaoh. The first bad but good but still bad but still trying to be good, - and consequently irrational and somewhat evil but still loving, -- lord Atun Jehovah.
As contemporary Jewish people were still worshiping a pair of Gods at that time, it is more likely that the influence was vice versa with the Aton monotheistic concept influencing them. That however seems to have taken more than 500 years after this period, so Zoaraster is a more likely culprit for that to happen with it's Good and Bad divided between heaven and earth. The stories are old, but seem to have been cobbled together in it's monotheistic form between 800 and 500 BCE. But yes,.. you have to change your axiom to Gods being created by men rather than vice versa. The story becomes much more interesting and logical though if you look at it from that view point.
@@chubbymoth5810 there are really no "Jewish people" by then, there are various nomads in and around Canaan, but are these really "Jewish" before Levite monotheists arrive from Egypt, and they recruit former Egyptian soldiers abandoned by Egypt's withdrawal?
The original Egyptians were hamites Moses was aShemite
kinda sucks to just end the lecture without the entire middle...
It's been chopped up...
Look up his UA-cam channel. Just search Bruce Gore. I love listening to him.
And Cleopatra was neither
Neither last nor pharaoh? She was clearly a Pharaoh though in a more subordinate position to Rome than the early or pre Ptolemaic ones.
Abraham did not travel to Egypt during the 12th Dynasty but - as extra-biblical Jewish tradition makes clear - at the beginning of the 1st Dynasty. In fact, Abraham shows many features in common with Min/Menes, the first pharaoh. Both, for example, were linked to the custom of circumcision. Furthermore, a couple of centuries after Menes we come to Imhotep, who saves Egypt from a seven-year famine; whilst a couple of centuries after Abraham we come to Joseph, who saves Egypt from a seven-year famine. The two histories are out-of sync. See ua-cam.com/video/IrdTAAa5-CI/v-deo.html
ابراهيم و مصر القديمة، المنظورات التاريخية و الكتابية!!
Made me feel like a 3rd grade lecture
Consensual is an interesting word for a man making a deal with a king to own his wife.
Ancient Indecent Proposal 😅
it was only a statue.. js..
It's "traditional marriage" ie wives are property.
@@crhu319 Someone doesn't know what "property"means.
Oldest and still continuing civilization is the Indus Valley Civilisation (Saraswati Civ) and its remnants are still seen in Hinduism. Please correct, its not Egypt
The plagues as natural events after the Santorini eruption makes way more sense than ancient Hebrews ‘making fun’ of Egyptian gods? Especially when he started talking about the insects... when we all know that locusts swarmed the Egyptians not beetles. Anyways it was a good lecture, just take some things with a grain of salt.
Bruce Gore is a biblical scholar.
Nuff said.
Some say that the Seven Years of Famine as described in the times of Joseph of Jacob from the "Genesis" to be the result of the Eruption of Thera (Santorini). After all, the fallout of the volcanic ash being released in the atmosphere lead to a ''volcanic winter'', just like the 1816 AD ''year without Summer" caused by the 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora
. There are even chinese records from the era of the eruption, which state that there was a long famine at this time. Also there is of course the Deucalion's Cataclysm which the date given by the Greeks corresponds to the dating of the Eruption of Thera, which is in 1529 BC. Now Joseph is usually dated to have been around the late 16th century as well, so it does make it possible that the two events are related.