China Has SINISTER Plans for Vietnam and Indonesia
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- How do small nations avoid being swallowed by a colossal neighbor? 🌏 Ukraine faced this dilemma in 1994, leading to the Budapest Memorandum. Now, Vietnam and Indonesia, in the contentious South China Sea, must navigate China's growing power. Discover how these nations are adapting their foreign policies to avoid Ukraine's fate, seeking security against a looming superpower. 📈⚓🛡️ #Ukraine #Vietnam #Indonesia #China #SouthChinaSea #Geopolitics #Security #ForeignPolicy #BudapestMemorandum #GreatPowerPolitics #MilitaryStrategy #IndoPacific #ChinaRising #InternationalRelations #GlobalSecurity #SmallNations #BigNeighbors #StrategicPartnerships #RegionalTensions
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I lived in Vietnam for 4yrs they aint no way the brothers and sisters of Vietnam will lose an inch of land to china. China has a chance to take sea area and littlet islands.
Agree
Man, i was born in Australia n never left. Been here for 40yrs, u braver than me brah. N i can speak Viet, jus scared to go coz i can't speak properly is all. Good onya.
As a Ukrainian I’m with you, more power to you Vietnam 🇻🇳
I live in China, and I understand this history. He tells that China provides help to Vietnam in the Vietnam War, but Vietnam has invaded the Chinese islands.
'lose' NOT "loose"
The moral of the story is don't refuse to defend yourself. Crossing your fingers and hoping nothing bad happens is dumb. It always has been
And dont agree to chinese debt traps
So agree to both of you
Hold Ya FARDs 🤯
These surrounding Southeast Asian countries need to learn not to fall for the lies of the United States of America. The country of Georgia in the Caucasus region was the first to make that mistake, in thinking that United States military would have their back in any conflict with Russia over the separatist areas of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Now the Georgians have to deal with the endless creeping annexation with ethnic Georgians find out the next morning to be part of Russia. The next fool to believe that United States had their back was Ukraine that were manipulated into war and had to deal with their war effort undermined by the MAGA faction of the Republican party. Its in their best interest to cut a deal rather than fight and die pointless death.
Si vir pacem, parabellum
Vietnam has been handling this bullying for centuries.
Millenia actually, Vietnam's history consists of about 5000 years of getting other nations, including the mongols to get off their lawn.
fun fact vietnam used to be apart of china but after nearly a dozen notable battles for independence, finally manged to do so in the 1200's under a man named le loi. he is one of the leaders in Age of empires II too hehe. afterwards theyd fall in/out of china's rule but always remained a vassal state, along with korea. japan, korea china and vietnam all made up historic east asia, until more recent a few centuries ago they conquered a country called champa, because china, as usual, would persuede neighboring countries to attack vietnam so they could once again be under china's rule but vietnam would end up winning and taking their lands, giving us the country they have today. So due to that, vietnam had transitioned to geographically becoming a southeast asian country, but culturally it remains east asian.
VN kicked CN's ass in 79. So much so the CN army retreated and never tried that shit again
They have never bullied Vietnam that's total BS
@@eman67rp china bullied everyone. Now they are taking land from Bhutan.
vietnam knows, they've been fighting china for centries
not only for centuries, we Vietnamese have been fighting Chinese for thousands of years 🤼
@@EliteFeelings被直接统治了一千年，剩下的时间一直都是藩属国
Except that time when they were fighting together against France, Japan, France, and the US?
@@danielch6662 Hundred years of French Colonialism, 5 years of Japanese Occupation, 40 of American Imperialism, and 20 years of separation compared to 2000 years of Northern (China) Dominations then it's just a small drop in the bucket
😮 as Indonesian. For thousand years had good relationship with china and India for trading partnership. But yeah mongol had already invaded Nusantara Archipelago but they failed
Vietnam and Indonesia should trade more with each other and with other ASEAN Countries like the Philippines and Thailand while reducing trade with China.
China's military might stems from its colossal economy which is ironically being partially fueled by the same ASEAN countries whose territories and marine resources are being stolen by China.
ASEAN has the potential to be a strong military alliance, and oddly, Australia could be the glue that holds it together.
What they SHOULD do but to this point have not done is that place their territorial disputes between each other aside so as to unite against China.
For example. Vietnam does not have a dispute with any other member over the Paracel Islands. So, it would be good if Vietnam hosted an ASEAN join base in those Islands as a first line defense against Red China.
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Thailand and Vietnam both export tons of tropical fruits to China. there is no way for them to find an alternative. especially Thai export 90% of it durian to China
The times has Change now, you can't just hide the bush now to counter the enemy, everyone has high technology machine especially china, and the only counter is high technology also.
@@Booz2020Don't forget about Malaysia too
SEA should be united before everything is over.
you don't understand SEA mentality
@@mabo9636 I am from there. How didn’t I know?
No we should play both sides and take the advantage, such AS in case for my country Indonesia, we take advantage to our largest trade partner China, and at the same time getting a discount for military equipment from Western Country
@@oizorref2615thats what the philippines did, philippines even kicked out US bases, but expansionist china did not stop expanding. You cannot negotiate with expansionists, learn from philippine mistake.
It’s called ASEAN… and US should just leave us alone.
It seems like the closer you are to China, the less friendly you are to it.
Well, where do you live? I'm 1900km from China and don't hate China at all.
@@danielch6662as Indonesian 😂 we got a lot of benefits being closer to china 😂
@@danielch6662 @harrykumoro4335 I too, have no hate in my heart. My heart is filled with love mankind. I mean this sincerely.
Emperor Xi has a grand vision for a new world order.
And it looks suspiciously similar to the inside of a concentration camp.
Grandad Henry q" to be enemy of US is dangerous, to be friend of US is fatal,,,,,,,
Vietnam is not invincible. How do people think they became a French colony in the first place?
They accepted French as a friend, and then they got robbed like many colonies were in the past.
No where is "invincible"
Không giống như châu Phi. Siêu cường Pháp đã phải mất 30 năm mới chiếm được Việt Nam, và cũng chỉ gặm nhấm được từng phần, chứ không phải chiếm được ngay từ đầu như suy nghĩ của bạn
The French literally gaslighted the Nguyễn Dynasty to close its trade ports and made the French into their exclusive trade partner. You should know that until VN did that, they had the most advanced firepower in the region, with skilled workforce that are willing to learn new tech from abroad. I kid you not VN has a martial art for using guns (you need 100-200 years of said weapon's existence to be able to develop a martial art using it)
Trong lịch sử Việt Nam, triều Nguyễn là triều đại bị nhân dân và các nhà viết sử chê trách rất nhiều. Vì họ đã dần dần kí các hiệp ước và mất dần đất cho Pháp. Pháp đã rất khôn ngoan gậm nhấm Việt Nam dần dần, vẫn cho triều Nguyễn những quyền lợi, đưa những ông vua bù nhìn lên. Những ông vua anh minh, với tinh thần độc lập mạnh mẽ thì bị đàn áp và bị đưa đi biệt xứ. Còn người dân Việt Nam thì không lúc nào là không có các cuộc khởi nghĩa chống Pháp. Thực tế Pháp phải mất 50 năm mới thôn tính hoàn toàn Việt Nam.
Only Vietnam is ready to stand firm against China in Southeast Asia. Nothing can be expected from Indonesia
They have resisted the 'superpower' Netherlands .its Netherland
I'm Indonesian, our country loves peace, we're non block
but if there's any country try to invade our territory, we won't stay silent
we have experienced when Netherland&Japan invade our country, and in 1960 United Kingdom with Malaysia tried to invade borneo, but they were failed, cause our country wasn't weak like they expected
@@muhammadarifin5752 Stop spreading lie. We all know it was Indonesia who invaded Malaysia first. Also who lost the war again? Your country. Even wikipedia said your country lost the war lmao.
@@Dr.M-ot9or where are you come from? You are just envy,🤣 our country can also faced the colonizer, in the fact Indonesia is strongest country in the asean all of time
@@muhammadarifin5752 Strongest but unable to subdue Timor Leste with only a few million people? kaka. I laughed so loudly. Everyone knows who the strongest person in ASEAN is
The author forgot to include the history of Indonesia where Indonesia suspended diplomatic relations with China for 23 years, from 1967 to 1990. During that period, Indonesia also banned Chinese literature, culture and characters, also encouraging the abandonment of Chinese person names, to be replace with Indonesian name or western name.
From Indonesia's perspective, relations with China are limited to non-defense sectors, such as economics and culture.
Yeah, my Chinese-Indonesia wife grew up in that environment, and remembers the Jakarta Riots (anti-Chinese pogroms) all too well.
@@davidford3115 yeah, Indonesian sweeping all chinese descent at that time
What I fear the most in a Indonesia-PRC conflict is not that Indonesia would ever backdown to Beijing (not likely for an extremely nationalistic people whose favorite saying is Liberty or Death), what I fear is that Indonesians will overreact against anything China, including its own ethnic Chinese citizens.
It could only happen if the leaders allow it. When 98 riots happened,in my city on north-coast of java nothing happen between non chinese and chinese descent people.
@@muhammadhanif4113 In Pontianak, the Dayaks and the Chinese get along pretty well.
Indonesian here. Let me make it clear.
Us Indonesian don't like both China and USA. Because of this, when we dealing with both country, we didn't do it because we are liking that country.
We are friendly with China because they are good partner in economy, but that doesn't mean we see them as friend. We are friendly with USA because they are good partner in deffense, but that doesn't mean we see them as an ally.
Our relationship to both China and USA are the relationship of FRIENEMY. Both country are friend at something, but also enemy for other thing.
We will always put our self OUTSIDE of both China and USA's sphere of Influence.
We will accept Chinese economic deal, USA's military deal, but we won't do what they say. Because we are not their pion. We didn't see our self as less superior than them. We see our self as EQUAL to them.
The only country we can truly see as friend, ally and sibling are the ASEAN member states. Outside of it, just pure bussiness.
That's because in our geopolitical view, we split the world into four realm.
First realm is our own teritory. This is where our main focus exist.
Second realm are ASEAN member states. This is countries we are see and treat as Family.
Third realm are countries that bordering the second realm. We give extra attention to them because they can influencing our "Family"
Fourth realm are countries outside of the third realm. Our relationship with them are pure bussiness.
By this view, we giving more attention to China because they are in the third realm
You are the first Indonesian I have encountered with your views on the US. What have you got against us? I don't recall any major confrontations with you.
That makes sense. What about India? Are they on the friends list or one of the countries that has influence over countries that are friendly with Indonesia?
@@georgehollingsworth2428because any relationship with US comes with terms and conditions. You just have to check how many Allies the US had screwed over.
@@georgehollingsworth2428us indonesians are huge palestine supporter and we always view the US as the source of all problems for our brothers in the middle east.
the US also blatantly help a coup to get a dictator into our presidential seat (soeharto) and shamelessly stole our gold (freeport) we basically view you as a hypocritical world police
@@snapdragon6601india is like a friend not BFF nor an enemy just an economic friend
Indonesia & Vietnam have no defense treaty with the west, the video try to scare the two to alliance with the west. Philippine & Malaysia also have dispute with China but have defense treaty with the west.
Indonesia needs to smell the coffee ☕ Red China will never see Indonesians as equal partners and the USA saved Indonesia in WW2 + in the 1950s 1960s from evil communist rule.. think a Pol pot regime x 100 times the killing..
That's what they do best at
Countries sharing sea and land borders have things in common against China. All have experienced illegal intrusion and threatened.
Emperor Xi has a grand vision for a new world order.
And it looks suspiciously similar to the inside of a concentration camp.
What the countries bordering China have in common is that they were all vassal states of China in the past. It was the decline of China 100 years ago that gave them the opportunity to become independent and vocal.
@@avengercn7232Vassal state? Lol! We were just doing business, man. Chinese envoy came politely? We let him live. They wanted tribute? We cut something from him.
@@avengercn7232 China is way more arrogant and greedy than the US. They just want to claim everything that their neighboring countries have and keep expanding.
@@bunderlemu7802 You seem to be saying the opposite. In 1417, King Sulu of the Kingdom of Luzon personally visited the Chinese Emperor with tribute, thus allowing you, the Chinese Emperor, to pay tribute and obtain the status of a vassal state. According to your statement, it seems that the Emperor of China spared your life in defending the Emperor.
I have been to Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand. They are all gentle and kind people, very different from Chinese people, why not leave them alone ?
China wants to dominate the weak and submissive first (Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, Taiwan) before taking on the strong and determined (Japan, India, US).
Because being nice doesnt mean you wouldnt get bullied
Because China wants their resources.
@@mozambique9113 Because the US needs more pawns to fight China on their behalf. The US and China can never fight directly because of all the nukes. It would be the end of the world. But they can use third countries to screw with China.
nice people, you can look into how many innocent Chinese people killed by the normal locals in Vietnam and Indonesia in the 60s and 70s. they are gentle and kind to you, because they can make money from you. so naive.
South East Asia won’t be putting up with Chinese shenanigans, I can tell you that.
Thailand buys warship and submarine from China
Vietnam has taken on every major power and kicked their asses.
China remembers 1979 all too well.
Afghanistan as well!!! Yet we always doing the tough talk.
US military won the battles in Afghanistan, Vietnam. It was politicians that surrendered.
@@sixgunsymphony7408 perhaps trying to support a corrupt regime imposed on the Vietnamese people by colonial powers was a mistake then.
I say this with respect to those Americans who fought in Vietnam and for your countries military might but if you win every battle except the one for the loyalty of the people, you've lost the war.
Domino theory was a lie, the South Viet govt were corrupt fascist crooks and the American people were sold a bill of goods by your leadership.
The US did not lose a single battle of any size in either Vietnam or Afghanistan....If you disagree, name one.......The Vietnamese outlasted us...After 15 years the American population had had it with that ill conceived and carried out war....The Taliban were totally defeated in Afghan....Most of the survivors took off their turbans, shaved their beards and melted back into the civilian population..A few diehards retreated back to the caves from where they conducted pin prick attacks....Women were freed, allowed to get educated and hold jobs...After 20 years and billons spent to train and arm the Afghan Army, it was time to go home...They folded in a day......
If the United States wanted to blow up Vietnam they could of with no problem but it was a gorilla war fare with the north and south it was a war.
6:00 - The US used to fund the Khmer Rouge remnants against Vietnam along with China because the US and the CCP were "allies" against the USSR. Now things have changed, ideological differences (which aren't what they used to be) won't stop the US from working with Vietnam against China.
Ideological differences are not the priority.
The US is stirring to pot in an effort to make trouble for China.
It’s CPC
Because the Soviet Union collapsed, the United States used China and then kicked it away. Now it is using Ukraine to challenge Russia and using Southeast Asian countries to challenge China. Who will be the next? Maybe India or Vietnam
@@sinoroman no, CCP
The fact that the PRC first helped the NVietnam. Army to win the war and then, while the NVArmy had to deal with the absolutely murderous regime of the Khmer Rouge which rose during the Vietnam war, the PRC sent its “Elite troops” to invade Vietnam. Then, even after two wars AND being backstabbed unpreparedly, the Vietnamese still defeated Maos “Elite forces”. This fact tells you a lot about the PRC state, how it treats its people, allies, neighbors and vietnams tenacity..
No, you're looking at it wrong. The PRC was not opportunistically invading Vietnam whilst it's troops were in Cambodia. That's a weird crazy spin. Not what actually happened.
China was actually trying to protect the Khmer Rouge. They invaded Vietnam in the hope that Vietnam would pull it's troops from Cambodia, and leave their ally alone. The USSR, seeing how well that worked out, decided against invading China to get the PLA to leave Vietnam.
Deng had promised both the USA and USSR prior to invading Vietnam that they were conducting only a small limited war. When Vietnam refused to withdraw from Cambodia and simply let China take their northern cities, China gave up and went home. It is likely that the USSR told Vietnam what China was up to.
You haven't even heard the crazy bit yet. Vietnam was allied to the USSR, and the Khmer Rouge to China. China was moving from the Soviet camp to the US side at the time. The US and ASEAN was siding with China at the time. You know how the US viewed Vietnam at the time. ASEAN (where I live), we saw Vietnam as the greater danger and the more evil communists than China. Overall, those wars resulted in victory for the Soviet/Vietnam side and defeat for the US/China/ASEAN faction. For decades after that we continued to support guerrillas fighting Vietnam and their Cambodian puppets/protectorate.
After the USSR imploded, people started to retcon everything.
that's not main reason, the real reason is Vietnam allowed the USSR built military base in the waters nearby China, which threatens China safety when the relationship between China and USSR was bad at that time.
PRC had to help allies. And PRC did get land at the end of the war.
PRC did not help VietNam for free, neither the SoViet Russia. But to VietNam current government, Russia is like a brother and China is like a mean loaner. They hate China but they have to depend on China to survive.
Oh, this is what your Vietnamese schools teach you. Unfortunately, that war ended in a disastrous defeat for you.
God bless indonesia🇮🇩❤
I admire both Vietnam and Indonesia as they stand on their own to Resist any aggression. They are dealing with both the West and China diplomatically, professionally and equally without taking any side.
China is in a deep economic crisis right now, and war cost a lot of money 💰
War can also be surprisingly good for the economy. Just look at Russia now that it has switched to a wartime economy.
It seems that you have a good understanding of the situation in China. May I ask, what is the proportion of China's military spending? How many 055 destroyers can be produced by one Aleburk 3 destroyer?
Xi is thinking a war would distract people and build nationalist ferver. They'd lose and Chinese military is unreliable.
@@SpruceWood-NEG Their ships just sink for no reason. Their aircraft can't land or take off from their carriers. All tofu
China is not in a deep economic crisis. It's just a recession. And if you think China never had a recession for the past 40 years, what did you think happened in 2008?
But you're right. Wars are expensive. Today's CCP is all about making money. They don't want wars. They have a new plan on how to take over the world. It is to win at capitalism and simply buy everything and everybody up. It is, unfortunately, working.
Indonesia shouldn't been underestimated as they fought fiercely when they get invaded by Netherlands and Japan
China may big but doesn't mean they don't have fatal weakness as we know they once get invaded by tiny Japan and tiny mongols
Size doesn't always matter
Anda melewatkan satu negara yg telah melakukan agresi militer ke Indonesia selain Belanda dan jepang yaitu inggris.
@@didikiswanto2720 English is Netherland reinforcement/Ally
So don't count separated
Japan was quite big then,they had 100 million people during the 1940s.
@@44krishnan79 but compared to china
They way smaller
That's why Size doesn't always matter in war
It's all about strategy and how good maintaining power
Vietnam is basically the asian version of Finland.
They both have history of being ruled by a great power, being militarized as fuck, have a lot of war experience and being neutral.
I would not be surprised if Vietnam will do the Finland move if mainlanders orcs will start a war over Taiwan and the south china sea.
Finland hasn't fought a war on their land since WW2, Finland is also no longer neutral as they joined NATO. The only resemblance I see is the guerilla tactics employed by both nations.
And now they're the Asian version of Switzerland, they have been doing a great job on being neutral
lmao
France was a charlatan colonial power they never really had any teeth. They are more powerful now than they've been since Napoleon. On the way up, finally, after hundreds of years.
China never learned from the sino Vietnam War of 1979-1992 and the sino India war 1962 and the 67 war
Never Say NEVER 😎 Justin Bieber
Different times
Vietnam is also communist state 🎉
Back then China has low tech army. If China goes into conflict with them now, they will be wiped out within a week.
China was Third World country then. It's come a long way. They have sheer numbers on their side and way more weapons and equipment now. It's a scary thought.
This is such a Western view of the world!
Nah just a bias Murican view...
They can join India-Australia-Philippines-Korea-Japan-US agreement 😀 make your own regional NATO(Pacific-Indian Ocean Asian Treaty Organization PIOATO?). China is like Russia in that way, forcing an Asian Sweden and Finland-like effect
I'll have you know it is called P.O.T.A.T.O
Pacific
Ocean
Trans
Atlantic
Treaty
Organization
@@MrAwsomenoobI love how you think😂
That could happen for sure.
@@MrAwsomenoob LOL
@@MrAwsomenoobnice one😂😂😂😂😂
It appears that this video is trying to understand the SEA region rather than offering insight into it. The region makes itself both secure and prosperous by balancing the (major) powers, which were US and USSR during the cold war and US and China in current time. SEA countries also don't want to make an alliance among themselves, military or otherwise, since alliances only create tensions externally and reduce the member states' sovereignty. In relation to that, Indonesia is the co-founder of the (now defunct) non-aligned movement started back in the '50s.
But refusing to present a united front against China means that the Dragon of East Asia can pick them off one at a time. If instead they put the territorial disputes between them on hold, they could easily push China out of the Spratley Islands.
@@davidford3115 Why do we want to push China out? Those are just rocks in the middle of the ocean. I thought the US held the position that mere uninhabitable rocks in the middle of the ocean do not confer territorial sovereignty to any country. No territorial waters, not EEZ, which is the reason for the US conducting all those _freedom of navigation_ stuff.
The oil under the sea is not inexhaustible. They would be gone after a decade or two of pumping. And the fish too. I think ASEAN can easily settle this between themselves and come to an agreement with China over how to divide/share the resources there.
Feels to me like the US doesn't want it settled. Like how Trump doesn't want problems in the southern border fixed, because he want to use it to criticize Biden. The US want to keep the problems in the Spratlys alive and use it to poke China. And China wants to keep US warships out like a thousand km or two away from their coasts.
Vietnam & indonesia should allign themselves wd the U.S. to counter china's world domination dream. Modernizing their military is also a must.
No, The US always back stabbing Indonesia, why would Indonesia want to align with the US 😂😂
@@ornachia2489 Can you give us example? G30S PKI? It was a cold war.
PKI was backed by CCP. Soekarno has close relationship with Soviet blok. After PKI failed coup, USA installed Soeharto as dictator. As thanks, Soeharto allowed USA to explore Indonesia's natural resources like FreePort.
Now, the geopolitics has changed. CCP is a threat to ASEAN. CCP wants to take over Natuna and Chinese fishemans STEALING out fish.
Indonesia should align with US ?
Lol, we more like to choose neutralism because our geographic position
@@ornachia2489when? Without the USA Indonesia would be a communist hell hole..
I still can't believe Ukraine gave up it's nukes, and trusted that agreement...
You've been told a lie. Ukraine never had those nukes. The nukes were inside Ukrainian territory. But they were not under Ukrainian government control. If Ukraine's government had tried to push the matter and take direct operational control, it's a toss-up if the units actually deployed with the nukes would have listened or would have gone over to Russia.
Ukraine's government never pushed the matter, because Russia and the US both worked together and convinced them to give up the nukes. After the agreement was signed and the nukes were on the way to being dismantled or transferred to Russia, the rocket armies were given the option to sign up with Ukraine or transfer to Russia. The vast majority of the senior career officers all chose Russia.
Another thing you have not considered is the fact that it is expensive to maintain and keep nukes operational. You don't just stick them in silos for 30 years and hope that they will work when you need them. They wouldn't work. Ukraine in the 1990s was poor and had neither the industrial nor financial capacity to maintain the nukes. In fact all of the FSU countries that had nukes on their territory gave them up and sent them to Russia. It was not Ukraine alone that had nukes deployed on its territory. Ukraine got into the news because they held off on signing the agreement to dispose of their nukes hoping to extract more concessions from the US and Russia. There was no question of using those nukes to defend from a Russian invasion because nobody even thought of it at the time. Kravchuk and Kuchma were both pretty tight with Russia.
@@danielch6662yeah, while it's in their territory, they never had control of it (it's Russian controlled), there's no way Russia will just give those nukes to them, and Ukraine was a small poor nation that definitely can't manage and maintain all those Nukes.
Ukraine gave up their nukes because they have a large country to their north to protect them. Work out great for them I guess.
U bought western media narative from this video 😂 it was never ukraine's nuke
@@paranoya733 honestly it doesn't matter to me, I mean it isn't mine so ...
Vietnam also supposedly had no chance against the USA with is air superiority, naval superiority and tank superiority...
they withdrew because the citizens wanted it and if they wanted it, they would have stayed and won
The Vietnam war was about testing weapons and posturing against China & the USSR. The latter has collapsed. The former is weakening both economically and population-wise. The US has become far more powerful. Back then the US could have won the Vietnam War if it wanted but that was not the goal. The US also has changed politically and while it has an even more capable military, and economy, it has less desire to conquer.
Vietnam supposedly had no chance against 19th century France and... Oh wait
@@mateuszpitala9458 Regardless of the reason the fact remains that over 20 years of US involvement in Vietnam came to nothing. American goals were not achieved and thus the war lost. It would have been considered a victory if South Vietnam still existed today alas there is no South Vietnam.
@@Drunkendrakon it is worth noting that despite not achieving strategic goals, the US gained new experience in fighting, e.g. against guerrillas, using new tactics and testing weapons, but if they wanted to stay, they would have stayed and won, but the reason was also that US citizens wanted to withdraw troops from Vietnam
Those Vietnamese that were killed IN ACTION out on the reef, weren't they mowed down un armed in waist deep water in their own waters?
ASEAN needs to be more United in Countering China's Aggression. Protect your Territory and Protect your People.
AMEN TO THAT!!!
if there is no China, the ASEAN wouldn't be so prosperity as now. China is the biggest customer of ASEAN, remember don't bite the hand feed you money.
Buddy, ASEAN is a strictly Economic alliance. Nothing was mentioned about joint-defense. Which is also the reason why ASEAN member states doesn't interfere with the smoke up there in Myanmar since it's a domestic issues.
1 like = 1 hate for xi jinping
If you hate xi don't buy Chinese products
Xi Jinping is probably the greatest leader of this Century
@@TheFlagUnit😂🤣 Long Live Xi Jinping 😂🤣 from non Chinese south east Asia citizen 😂
@@TheFlagUnit hesa complete fool
Indonesia needs to smell the coffee ☕ Red China will never see Indonesians as equal partners and the USA saved Indonesia in WW2 + in the 1950s 1960s from evil communist rule.. think a Pol pot regime x 100 times the killing..
Vietnam and Indonesia are two nations that got their independence through blood and tears.. there
Is no way we gave any foreign nation a single inch of land. No matter how painfull and how long it takes. Based on history, both Vietnam and Indonesia had experience to expele china (under tang dinasty). Its on our DNA.
Vietnamese called China their "big brother" for a reason, classic older brother experience :))
No need to stir up troubles, we have enough troubles already. None of the SEA nations wants to be involved directly in big powers conflict, to be a proxy to any in war, including those with territorial claims.
Big powers, please restrain your own people to compete economically and not in military.
Philippines 🇵🇭 should not put all egg in one basket as PrezZelenzky advise PrezMarcos never let the country use as proxy war with America many will offers help but not one will save 'em, reference to his experience war in Ukraine
So, you're a Chinese supporter? Or Indian? Who will provide arms? Think Korea is a great partner.
Probably best to have a multi-alliance pact, with South Korea, Philippines, and other island countries. Hopefully this will prevent China's further bullying into it's territory.
@@frankvuong1080 Better idea. ASEAN should first resolve the conflict amongst its own member states. And then, together as a bloc, negotiate with China on a permanent settlement of the disputed borders. There are not that many island states in the area. And together, they don't amount to much. And South Korea isn't an island state, nor necessarily completely sovereign. They might be overly influenced by the US that has it's own priorities, not necessarily aligned with the interests of the rest of us in the region.
For example, the US is perfectly fine with the Ukraine sacrificing itself in a suicidal war of attrition against the much larger Russia, if in the processed, Russia is weakened and damaged. It feels to me like the US would be completely willing to sacrifice any and all of us to do the same to China.
@@danielch6662 Ukraine is a pretty poor comparison to make considering Russia invaded on baseless grounds and all America is doing is supplying it weapons and intel to fight it's own war. To say yhat America sacrificing Ukraines for it's own interest is completely disregarding the will of the Ukraine people and the choices they have made to defend themselves. While I absolutely agree the ASEAN should come together to resolve their differences to form a stronger bloc, that isn't the reality of the situation.
As we speak China has bullied other countries such as Vietnam and Philippines in taking over their oceans territories by building artificial islands. As well as trying to block off access for other ship routes.
You make it sound like America is trying to escalate these situations when it is only responding to calls by other nations.
@@frankvuong1080True im Filipino
I, an Indonesian, feel more threatened by the US and NATO than by China...
Good Documentary 👍
Banned Chinese products in all ASEAN
Banned american product is oredy happening now in my country indonesia.
No i dont want to, Chinese product are the cheapest in the World right now, guess you could say that because you never paid a single bill in your entire life
Indonesia needs to smell the coffee ☕ Red China will never see Indonesians as equal partners and the USA saved Indonesia in WW2 + in the 1950s 1960s from evil communist rule.. think a Pol pot regime x 100 times the killing..
impossible.. are you sure wanna buy small spareparts for your 5 years old broken pc from the US?! like small cable for 10 $, and wait arround 3 weeks for shipping?!
Not your desire
Yeah, bad plans for Indonesia like the High Speed Bullet Train that has already transported 4 Million passengers. 😂
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even if they had bad plans fo indonesia they far from China so its gonna be Vietnam first or Taiwan since they're neighbours of China
Indonesia playing both side, take advantage while they can
@@zee9709 Indonesia shouldnt worry that much they're far from China lol
if China's really gonna do something it'll be Taiwan or Vietnam first
then there's Korea Japan Philllippines etc
Bruh the one are real problem with china are vietnam, philiphine, malaysia, brunei they have direct teritory conflict to china
don't even worry about them before its number of millitary bases reach 1/10 of US.
At about 13:30 you talk about the effect of closing the Straights of Malacca. You say “millions” but your graphic says “B” for billions. I suspect that you mean billions, but am not sure. Which is it?
I don't think Indonesia and Vietnam is small by world standard both has over 100 million people, Indonesia alone stretch longer than continental Europe.
West logic is:
Vietnam, 100 mil pop = smol.
Indonesia, 280 mil pop = smol.
Germany, 80 mil pop = BIG.
Vietnam? Hah don't make me laugh I think they can stand up for themselves
I mean, *cough* *cough* Vietnam war, *cough* *cough* Sino-Vietnamese War, *cough* *cough* Indochina Wars
Do you know what's funny?? I tried to write down 15 TIMES BY NOW a sentence with "CHINA" and "GOT BEATEN" ...and the comment "magically disappears" ! >: ) Do wonder why huh, You Tube?? >: )
@@zollowthing Vietnam : ""Help?"
US : "No"
Vietnam : "Fine. War"
US : "Fine. War"
Vietnam : "We won!"
US : "Really?"
Vietnam : "Yes, we're free!"
US : "Lol, from whom?"
China : "👀"
Vietnam : "Go away China"
US : "🤣🤣🤣"
Vietnam : "Help?"
@@2serveand2protect my reply to wumaos magically disappears as well. Evidently, yt doesn't want ccp feelings to get hurt. 🤷
Slava PHO Noodles 🍜
Vietnam 🇻🇳 whooped our assess 🇺🇸, they got this. Glad to HOPEFULLY be working together instead of enemies in history
I just feel sorry for the people of north Vietnam… prisoners in their own country…. Horrible way to live your life…
Actually we won, but abandoned them in disgust. I remember that era very clearly... it was sad. But leaving was sooo necessary coz they just weren't worth saving.
Socialism could have taken over there with no loss of life. The stubbornness was where the stupidity was on both sides. On the US side, the stubbornness dropped and we split. Not a loss, per se. A wise choice to stop caring.
So close to perfection 😔 if only it was chocolate ice cream
They should cooperate more with India, Malaysia, Thailand, Cambodia and the Philippines. All its southern neighbors united against it? That would make China really nervous.
Easier said than done, Thailand and Cambodia are indebted to China.
Cambodia and Thailand are very placative towards China... China has lots of investments in sihanoukville and siem reap
@@rizeanavas04 But not because they like them. They just need the money.
bruh these vidio are weird why he use indonesia instead malaysia, cambodia, philiphines, brunei when these country have direct conflict with china in overclaim sea...
Malaysia, Brunei and Singapore:
I see people kept on forgetting us.
People often forget Australia and NZ has a running joke of not being included on maps. We’re just small countries relatively.
Are you joking? FPDA save them British States
Those country is way too close and kowtowing to China.
Myanmar, Laos and Thailand as well so its only Indonesia, Vietnam and Philippines that actually send their ship to country China incursion.
@@Alfha_Robby funny thing is Malaysia, Brunei and Singapore do the same but instead of ships it's fighter jets and AWACS.
Don't forget all these three countries also a victim to China line bs
Happy birthday Brett!
Remember, your country is your one and only home. It's up to you to protect it, because no one else will.
Love indian politics ❤
I'm sure Indonesia is on its way to become a regional super power aswell.
Indonesia needs to smell the coffee ☕ Red China will never see Indonesians as equal partners and the USA saved Indonesia in WW2 + in the 1950s 1960s from evil communist rule.. think a Pol pot regime x 100 times the killing..
Good, Bravo China!
Indonesia needs to smell the coffee ☕ Red China will never see Indonesians as equal partners and the USA saved Indonesia in WW2 + in the 1950s 1960s from evil communist rule.. think a Pol pot regime x 100 times the killing..
America and Vietnam have surprisingly good relations. I think this is partly due to the US admitting that are intervention there was a mistake. China has fought with Vietnam forcenturies.
Question. I Wonder what would happen if All the World, stopped taking all phones or Technical equipment from China? Can the world manage without them???
where are you gonna outsource those equipment all of sudden. the factory can not be built in months
it is happening now slowly.
@@mabo9636 . There's several countries which could do it. South Korea. Vietnam. Philippines. Malaysia. Scandinavia. USA.
Yes, we can always manage. Would we want to? It is not without incurring additional costs and problems. Answer this first. Why should we do this for you? What's in it for us?
@@user-jgn1944 Mexico and India have a massive population too that could do it. For some reason people only thinks that its only China that are capable of manufacturing. When in reality they only have the first mover advantage because western companies transfer tech their first. Now that the western corps are now leaving China for other countries. This would benefit other country with massive population. With the help from western countries they will catch up on China over time.
Tôi là người việt nam ! Tôi chưa bao giờ hoang mang hay sợ hải khi nghe tin TQ đang định chấp đất hay đảo ? Chúng tôi đã quá hiểu về nó ! Yên tâm chúng tôi hiểu trung quốc và có đối sách
Indonesia is non block country, we want cooperation rather than confrontation. This is one sided opinion that China bad guy, what about USA? US was the culprit for 1965 massacre because US wanted to eliminate communism influence and also eliminated Soekarno because Soekarno's political and economic move didnt benefit USA for example Papua where got exploited by US mining company Freeport after Soekarno's fall despite his refusal to give Papua
Indonesia is like that one friend that been friend with another friend's friend and enemy's friend 👭👬👫
Yeah Vietnam… Turns out they’re not so easy to bully…
Vietnam and Indonesia could embark on a nuclear weapons program capability or get a shared nuclear capability umbrella for long-term defense stability.
The whole of ASEAN should really forge a defense alliance. But they would at least need to put their internal territorial disputes on hold.
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that would be an escalation of the tension. But yah without the US as a counter balance. Some Asian states will surely abandon the non-nuclear proliferation treaty. Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have the capacity to build nukes and maybe some southeast Asian countries will follow as well. Since all of them knows that China would dominate them and only nukes can assure mutual destruction. However that will increase the tension.
@@KSmifuneIthink you are right, the cycle is always the same, the aggresor have nukes and has powerful military(in this case china), neighbors create nukes for deterence, china thinks its provocation and plays the victim!
I agree, as asean we must defend ourself from american divide et impera. Western people always want to break us apart.
To go to war with the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Japan and Australia requires naval power sea warefare capabilities across the South China Sea and the North-West Pacific and inter-island seas of Indonesia, which is great area and a colossal venture. The PLAN does not firstly have the capital ships to undergo this ambitious venture (it's carriers are untried, untested and riddled with machinery, warplane and personnel problems), and it's capital ships are not nuclear powered. Their destroyers are capable (although not the best that NATO has to offer). Secondly, it has outflanking issues (much the same as the Pacific War with Janpanese bases, such as Rabaul, being outflanked). Thirdly, more than 70% of China's petroluem comes from the Middle East. A route that India alone can easily blockade. Forthly, Japan is the third largest and powerful navy in the world with well-trained personnel and advanced warships. Thus, engaging in a coalition war with these nations will not guarantee a long-term victory to China.
indonesia not worry with china.. few years back we have dispute on our soverign water with them.. we build base on that island, chance the nameof the water with north natuna island.. and china get calm.. thats why 10 dash line become nine dash line now.. so we are done with those disputes.. china never bully us again. in last 2 years... ofcourse few fisherman arent counted..
just a thought... "A Super Power Country is just a country... without the Power."
India has also a say in the chokepoint with strategic location of the Andaman and Nicobar islands. There have been infrastructure and security upgrades in the island region. ASEAN is predicted to be the 4th largest global market by 2030.
chokepoint has no true meaning without strong navy. plus what indian navy gonna do with the ship from neutral country such as Russia or Thailand
@@mabo9636
Ships from Thailand would be stopped for sure if an unusually large number of them start showing up.
Russia is far more wary of China than the US.
Russia literally has a naval agreement with India to use each other's ports for refuelling and repair.
The whole reason for that is because Russia wants to maintain it's own ability to blockaid China in the Indian ocean if China block aids Russia in the South China sea in future.
Indonesia needs to smell the coffee ☕ Red China will never see Indonesians as equal partners and the USA saved Indonesia in WW2 + in the 1950s 1960s from evil communist rule.. think a Pol pot regime x 100 times the killing..
The Big Greedy Dragon - China
Indonesia needs to smell the coffee ☕ Red China will never see Indonesians as equal partners and the USA saved Indonesia in WW2 + in the 1950s 1960s from evil communist rule.. think a Pol pot regime x 100 times the killing..
Vietnam 🇻🇳 may want to reconsider their “ military alliance “
The 3 no’s 🤔
Nope. If our history teaches us anything, it is that we can never take side. Standing on our own is the only way. We either get that or die trying,
Google title " The Violent Legacies of the U.S. War in Vietnam "
China has its eye on Australia. Rich natural resources, vast expanses of land...
No chance.
Indonesia needs to smell the coffee ☕ Red China will never see Indonesians as equal partners and the USA saved Indonesia in WW2 + in the 1950s 1960s from evil communist rule.. think a Pol pot regime x 100 times the killing..
International laws should be more mature and the role of United Nations should be more concrete and active. No nation should be able to invade other, UN should fix any issue deserving an International intervention...
China doesn’t care about ICC and International Laws. They stick with their own Laws. What’s your issue mine and mine only.
the un is like the league of nations not fulfilling its duties
Yes, however that means the UN needs to grow teeth and balls.
@@pubwvj: You are kidding right. UN has no balls. It’s like a Union or HOA. All they want from the Countries are their membership fee.
UN should be dissolved, it’s toothless.
How the h*ll are you able to publish so many high-quality videos every day????
UA-cam title " 50 Years After My Lai Massacre in Vietnam, Revisiting the Slaughter the U.S. Military Tried to Hide "
Vietnam will handle it all
China knows better not to mess with Vietnam
You accidently titled the video with china and not america
America doesn't love multi-party democracy. It loves the appearance of having one.
Huh
I think the Vietnamese is wise when it decide to have a partnership with the US to improve it economies . If it advanced to a military partnership it may provoke the Chinese and since Vietnam economies is still rely alot on the Chinese it will rather use negotiations than a US military presence on its land (sanction lol)
Vietnam is doing the Hong Kong thing. You know how HK got rich in the first place. Import from China, export to the US.
@@danielch6662 Alot of the place in the world import from china , even the US .After all China have the biggest sweatsho- i mean working force in the world you know.
If it doesn't line up with western interests it's considered "sinister" 🤣
Mostly because the other systems are quietly pushing the reintroduction of institutionalized slavery, etc. Both Spain and US worked hard to get rid of slavery around china over 500 years... only the US was able to really stamp out 95% of it.
Would love to see a follow on video that includes Thailand, Singapore, the Philippines and Malaysia in the calculus of the region.
Do one about how the Philippines wants to take Sabah from Malaysia. Unlike the Spratlys, Sabah is not just some tiny uninhabited rocks in the middle of the ocean. Sabah is as big as Scotland, with a population more than Wales, and has oil. You know, the black stuff that attracts the US military like sugar water attract ants.
vietnam : "bring it on!"
That's the spirit
Taiwan is literally on China side in the south china sea.
They have the same claims as China in which they claim the entirety of the south china sea as their so they are actually more allies in this dispute than enemy.
Ukraine gave up their arms hoping those with more powerful arms won't attack them, how terribly stupid.
I work with a guy who is filipino. My Having been stationed in the Philippines, we have some things in common and I really enjoy his company! We are talking about China’s threats to the Philippines and what that means going forward! What he told me made me so proud of the filipino folks. He said that they will not back down and will fight the Chinese to the last man. He and his son are ready to go home and fight with everything in them. I love that spirit and hope as Americans we can channel that same battle ready spirit!
He tells you that because that is what Americans want to hear. In reality, China and the Philippines are not fighting over any of the actual islands inside the Philippines. The dispute are over uninhabited rocks in the middle of the ocean. The PLAN type 075 LHDs are not landing PLA troops in Luzon or Mindanao. Never going to happen. The Philippines is an overcrowded country of 100 million people. Approximately 90 million more than it should have. China does not want all these minorities inside it's borders. Which is why China will never annex the Philippines. Tiny rocks in the middle of the ocean with no population? They have no natural resident population. Nobody in ASEAN actually want to die over those rocks.
Well enjoy being Asian Ukraine.
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That happens to me too. Don't know why.😮
Chinese bots are persistent nowadays. .spreading fake news
Gestapotube's AI censorship is very aggressive. It now deletes many factual, non-inflammatory comments that conform insufficiently to the left narrative.
HUM.. I WONDER WHYYYY?
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This is why China will lose; all their neighbors have grievances. That, plus US, Australia, etc...
China must learn do not mess with Vietnam, they will fight like the proverbial tiger, and have much combat experience, China has next to none.
China just needs cut off the electricity and water supply to Vietnam and forbid the Vietnam fruit import. the Vietnamese would be much struggle
😂😂😂
@@pipiqiqi4010 electric in Vietnam aren't coming from china
@@G.A.C_Preserve Vietnam buy electricity from China last year when its electricity was shortage.
US has provided a couple of retired ships to Vietnam
that ain't gonna do a thing
No serious commitment. SE Asia is a liability... for the moment at least. Maybe 100 years later might be worth a re-look.
We are now ASEAN, not only Vietnam + Indonesia. No China neither US would play a damn risk game on this table. Together, ASEAN gonna be powerful part of the world. ASEAN is not Middle East!
They really don’t want to mess with Indonesia though because Indonesia can close the Malacca and Sunda traits and crater the Chinese economy. Vietnam needs to invite the US 7th fleet back to Cam Ranh bay.
Indonesia needs to smell the coffee ☕ Red China will never see Indonesians as equal partners and the USA saved Indonesia in WW2 + in the 1950s 1960s from evil communist rule.. think a Pol pot regime x 100 times the killing..
PRC will not be able to do what Imperial Japan did in WW2. ASEAN was weak and didn't have their Army but now will be different and PRC will not prevail as they lack allies with Russia, North Korea,Iran provided if they are willing to be involved in the War.
Indonesia needs to smell the coffee ☕ Red China will never see Indonesians as equal partners and the USA saved Indonesia in WW2 + in the 1950s 1960s from evil communist rule.. think a Pol pot regime x 100 times the killing..
Indonesia needs to reconnect with India
when did we lose the connection?
Yes it's spiritual and Cultural motherland..
@@sapasaja1640 when Indonesia started becoming a Muslim country
Really? Look vietnam sea😂
@@teejayman215 "Indonesia is a key economic partner for India in Southeast Asia. With bilateral trade of almost US$ 26.17 billion in 2021-22 & US$ 38.84 billion in 2022-23, Indonesia is the second largest trading destination for India in the ASEAN region."
unless you mean reconnect religiously? which i dont understand why
Don't underestimate the might of Vietnam and Indonesian army
You said millions on the point about mallaca but used B in the video at 13:19. Can you confirm which is correct please.
You also call Indonesia India frequently late in the video.
From the surface, it looks like the Indonesian are playing the game with such a simple premise: having great partnership with China in economy sector while maintaining strategic defence & security partnership with US and its Western allies. Reality is of course more complicated, but the Indonesian are the proponent of Non-bloc movement and they’ve been quite consistant operating in this principal for decades
We need to address the name of South Ch**. Sea (South East Asia Sea) cuz that sea never, for once, belonged to China. Not before, not now n not future.
Indonesian President is Obama’s twin brother 😂😂. No wonder obama couldn’t prove his citizenship
Obama's mother was a US citizen. Parents confer citizenship on their children REGARDLESS of where on the planet they are born.
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From the US, saw-ree cha-ree
The video have so many wrong info, like at 3:00 when they said China captured and hold the Spratly islands in 1980s; The actual situation is mixed with Vietnam still hold most of the islands, with Chinese and Malaysia, Philipine hold a handful of these.
China cannot conquer Vietnam but they can easily conquer Laos without a shot.
They had already conquered Laos and Cambodia
@@didierduplantier8359 The leader of Cambodia today is the same guy that Vietnam placed in power 30 years ago when Vietnam deposed the Khmer Rouge government. Cambodia has since tried to balance between China and Vietnam, but has drifted a bit to China's side simply because China's economy has grown so much faster than Vietnam's.
That China has not annexed Laos and Myanmar makes me skeptical of the western claim that China is this expansionist country that is trying to gobble up all its neighbours. Like you said, Laos has now fallen completely into China's economic sphere, but China has not done anything to take over political control.
If China were to annex Laos tomorrow, nobody is going to lift a finger to object. If China were to annex Myanmar, it would have a port directly in the Indian Ocean. If China does not feel a need to annex these two, I think there is no chance that they will annex anybody else. The countries surrounding China will eventually end up in a situation like Canada and Mexico find themselves, adjacent to this huge giant next door. Nobody wants to end up like Cuba.
I've been to Laos and I think almost any country could conquer them 😂. Nice people though
@@danielch6662
You’re off by a year. Hun Sen stepped down in 2023.
China has already acquired the Ream naval base and Sihanoukville as their own enclave, so there isn’t much else they want in Cambodia. Laos doesn’t have much to offer, so there is no need to annex it. Myanmar is a different story. Like you’ve said, annexing Myanmar will give them a solution to the Malacca dilemma, thus the current destabilizing situation in that country is possibly being orchestrated by China.
China’s neighbors probably would content to acquiesce to China’s dominance if they can benefit economically from China. However, the current situation in the South China Sea is not conducive to that outcome. The Philippines has already found out that playing nice with China won’t stop China from squeezing them out of their EEZ.