All of Finlands main roadways, tunnels, bridges, etc. have detonation points so that they can be strategically blown up. Also, almost every roadway system also has walkways or paths for troops/small arms. I have lived in Finland for a year and know they don’t fuck around. Good luck Russia
I heard a saying once; *"While countries have their own armed forces, Finnish Defense Forces have a country of their own."* As a Finn, i like this proverb.
Small correction: Sweden didn't stop all wars after 1809. In 1814 there was a very short campaign against Norway to make them agree to the union, which in turn came about after an even shorter conflict with Denmark in 1813.
Soldiers in Russia are just slave labor, these poor men that Putin sent to their deaths should turn on their leadership and at least leave their families honorable and free!!!
The Finnish application to NATO is why I've been saying that Russia lost the war in Ukraine on day one. Even if Russia managed to completely defeat Ukraine (which they haven't), this strategic loss is so dramatic and stands in stark contrast to what Putin actually wanted. I think it is totally fair to say that Russia lost by failing to uphold their strategic goals.
Depends on the actions. If Russia completely stops trading with Finland, it will cause huge damage to it. If by some miracle capitalist Russia does it right, and not for profit, Finland will never join NATO.
@@0816M3RC it will be destroyed before joining. If they keep trying. And in a very unlikely possibility that they manage to Russia will just be forced to have a war with NATO. That's all there is to it. It's better now then after being completely surrounded after all. Which is funny because Russia doesn't need neither Finlands territory nor it's people. Finland is not Ucraine, finnish people aren't Russians. It's existence barely matters. To Russia if Finland is all just wiped off map it's still mission uccomplished. No NATO bases possible there after all. Frankly it feels like fins are trying to self destruct. Also. They were given freedom on basis of being neutral. Joining NATO means breaking that deal.
As a Swede, I do feel safer having NATO protecting us. Swedes embody the ”Hope for the best, prepare for nothing” mentality, so we won’t be able to offer NATO much 🥲
@@XNeohaggenX and they didn’t have a huge border to protect until they joined NATO? Ukraine showed what it meant to be alone bordering Russia. How is it safer not being part of a defensive alliance when your neighbour obviously can and will use conventional arms to dominate weaker countries?
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how do you explain- countries: i'm going to join NATO Russia: i'm gonna be mad if you do countries: i joined despite no threat existing Russia: oh, i'm about to give you a threat to worry about countries: i joined because Russia threatened me Russia: .
@@happyblt624 exactly. The dangerous period is when a country is making attempts to westernize but haven't formally joined or applied to join. Russia has a lot of incentive to attack countries like that
@@marsmars124 We had slice show made from it when I was in 2-3th grade!! (It was done by 2 years older, I have really small school) Really known in finland
What you miss in this video, is that you should clarify some things. Mainly the fact that even when Finland was a part of Russian empire 1809-1917, the Russian laws were not valid in Finland because Finland´s legal system from Swedish rule was still kept in use. Also during the time Finland was officially known as Grand Duchy of Finland which legally an autonomous area and was ruled by Finnish nobility but it had a governor-general appointed by the Russian Czar. In short: Finland was part of Russian empire but not part of Russia. Edit: Added a word "area" which was missing
Also, sounds weird to say "Swedish rule". Finland was just apart of Sweden and had been for over 600 years by the time Russia took over. It wasn't some colony of Sweden lol.
A large group of Russian soldiers in the border area in 1939 are moving down a road when they hear a voice call from behind a small hill: "One Finnish soldier is better than ten Russian". The Russian commander quickly orders 10 of his best men over the hill where Upon a gun-battle breaks out and continues for a few minutes, then silence. The voice once again calls out: "One Finn is better than one hundred Russian." Furious, the Russian commander sends his next best 100 troops over the hill and instantly a huge gun fight commences. After 10 minutes of battle, again Silence. The calm Finnish voice calls out again: "One Finn is better than one thousand Russians from: The enraged Russian commander musters 1000 fighters and sends them to the other side of the hill. Rifle fire, machine guns, grenades, rockets and cannon fire ring out as a terrible battle is fought... Then silence. Eventually one badly wounded Russian fighter crawls back over the hill and with his dying words tells his commander, "Don't send any more men!!! It's a TRAP! There are TWO of them!"
Nute Gunray: "This is getting out of hand! Now there are TWO of them!" Master Yoda: "Always two there are; no more, no less." Darth Finland, Darth Sweden: "But who is the Master and who is the Apprentice?"
Later on an American official is said of have asked about reports of Soviet soldiers in Finland, to which his Finnish counterpart is supposed to have said "Oh yes, they are buried over there."
Finland did not take part in attacking Leningrad, annoying the Germans very much but the Finns also knew the war would eventually end and Russia would remain a next door neighbourg.
Ну да, не принимала. Всего то помогла немцам морить ленинградцев голодом замыкая с севера кольцо блокады. Там ещё были моменты интересные, но зачем о них теперь. Это другое. Ох уж эти добрые миролюбивые финны.....
As a Finn, this is an excellent video that summarizes our situation extremely well. Good work! Here's a fun fact about the Russian invasion of Sweden back in 1808: The Russians had such an extensive network of spies operating in Finland that they had more accurate maps of the country than the Swedes, who'd ruled Finland for 600+ years 😆
Yeah... As a Swede, the more I learn about Sweden's so-called "Stormaktstid" ("Time as a Great Power"), the more convinced I grow that it really should be called our "Kassa Kolonialförsök" ("crappy colonial attempt"). At least we've got your back now, for what it's worth...
@Rico Thampaty Tell that to the Ukrainian people "Bro, it's just for our propaganda and to induce fear into you, but they'd never actually do it" Idiot
@Rico Thampaty Conscription, at least the Finnish version, is defence on the cheap. Conscripts are paid a daily allowance, which buys a few beers and some smokes. No one complains because it's what everyone does.
@@peabase yeah it's similar here. Conscription keeps military spending way down. My monthly allowance during my full time service was less than what a McDonalds server earns lol. The rest of our defence budget from what I know of, goes to hardware
The USA installed a puppet government in 2014 overthrowing the elected government. The east of Ukraine said no to this and tried to separate. Ukraine sent in there military to crush the people killing/murdering there own. The people took up arms in self defense and needed help. Russia offered help. Ukraine ended up in a civil war with Russia helping the people against a tyrannical puppet government installed by the USA. The fighting was supposed to stop with the Minsk accords. Ukraine broke the Minsk accords many times. Ukraine kept shelling the peoples republics killing civilians. In 2022 of Feb Russia show a huge build up of the Ukrainian army getting ready to attack the peoples republics. Russia lunched its Special Military Ops to protect the people from the aggression the the Ukrainian government. The conflict is not the sole fault nor sole responsibility of the Russia. The USA and Ukrainian government are just as responsibility and guilty. There's three guilty party's there USA, Ukrainian government and Russia. The victims are the Ukrainian people in all of Ukrainian. Being used as puppets in a geopolitical chess game. By the USA to fight a proxy war in Ukraine against Russia.
@Rico Thampaty nope not a kingdom. But a Grand Duchy 1808 - 1917. The Russian zar was the Grand Duke of the Grand Duchy of Finland besides being the zar of the Russian Empire. Finland was granted autonomy, own legislation and Parliament. But every new zar increased the russification 🤬🤬🤬
Nope, it's not precise explanation of relations. Tricky manipulative twist of historical events turning Russia from calm neighbor to etrrnal enemy. Which isn't true. Mannerheim was graduated from russian military school. Did author ever mentioned that or other very important, but inconvenient to narrative facts?
The total war concept of Finland is interesting and frightening at the same time - it still exists to this day. Finland is a sleeper when it comes to military power and pure war.
People desperate people will do desperate things. There are world-ending weapons in Russia. Why provoke them? What's with this constant poking of the bear.
usa has no interest in literally placing strategic sized hypersonic nuclear missiles on the fin border, close to Petersburg, to try to create a political crisis artificially. there is 400 km (250 mi) from Petersburg to finnish border. cuban missiles were 140 km (90 mi) from Florida. they are just interested in the kola peninsula area: a total of 81.5 per cent of russian strategic maritime nuclear capabilities are concentrated in the northern fleet, and its home to systems such as the RS-24 YARS and Murmansk-BN electronic warfare system. russia’s EW capabilities were on display during natos’s trident juncture 2018 exercise, when both norway and finland were the victims of russian GPS jamming and interference. and places like new SLBM storage facility (69.114642° 33.525728°) that consist of a total of 50 storage bunkers, each with four storage bays, that potentially houses a total of 200 rsm-56 Bulava SLBMs. rsm-56 Bulava is a Russian submarine-launched intercontinental ballistic missile. missile can carry between six and ten 150 kiloton warheads. it´s considered a key element of the russian armed forces' nuclear triad. perhaps a pre-emptive first strike into nuclear missile storages with stealth f35´s, that carries tactical nuclear missile on them, designed for bunker-busting, in case things ever break down. or at least, that's what usa wants russia to obsess about.
Sweden really only stayed out of NATO due to Finland's position. It was an open secret that we'd join if they joined. In a very real way the decision was made in Helsinki for both countries.
Finland and Sweden has had a very hush hush history of cooperation. The Swedish Volunteer Force was a thing, and we took in refugees during several points in history.
I totally agree. We Finns and Swedes stick together, for foreigners it is maybe not as obvious, as there really has been no need to openly discuss or explain it to the world. Those who know, know.
To a certain extent yes, but remember that America and Sweden have a love-hate relatiinship. They didn't embargo us between 1973 and 1987 without reason.
I heard a story once about a Swedish naval attaché that was sent to America. So when he came back to Sweden he begged the prime minister about that Sweden has to get an aircraft carrier. The prime minister then responded: “We already have the Worlds biggest aircraft carrier, Gotland”.
That's hilarious though: I live in a age restricted country. 😆 Not everyone can say that! (I know YT content policies are a complete mess and creators are treated unfairly and all of that. I recognize there's a real problem and I'm not minimizing that at all, but there IS a comical aspect to this particular instance.)
Fins are pussie, ya’ll wont do shit 🤡🤣 I had a finnish girl for a while and she told me guys out there are pussies, scared to talk to them and overall weirdos.
If so, THEY stole it from Mother Nature. Every dopey wombat understands that from birth. YOU did, too! How else would you know to pucker up and head for the nearest nipple a moment after birth? (with nary a question about the brand-name/'nationality'/price/politics/religion/etc. of said nipple.) Somehow, along the way, we've lost track of life's realities. And NOT for the better.
It didnt even scratched Russia. Why would it anyway? Russia is the strongest economy in Europe at this moment and it reached practically all its goals in Ukraine. 😂😂😂
@@JohnSmith-xz5nb You are right about not scratching Russia by merely joining a defensive alliance out of their own volition. That's how it should be and is. Yet Russia takes it as a threat to their aggressively invasive imperialistic regime.
I went to the Russia/Finland border last summer with some friends! The Finns have a restricted zone on their side which you can only enter with the right documents, but some parts of this zone consist only of small fields so you're still able to see the Russian treeline. Border patrol guys are really alert, they drove up to us about 30 seconds after us having parked the car, but the guy was cool about us being there.
The 1500 artillery systems includes some 700+ mortars, which some countries don't include in the same statistics. It's still a lot, of course, even if you count it as 700+ artillery systems and 700+ mortars separately.
If we are going to be comma fuckers it's gonna be larger now that Finland utilized it's additional buy option from last contract with South-Korea to buy additional 48 K9 Thunders
Its an enormous size of the artillery for such a small country, but definitely needed for a massive force Finland is capable to mobilize in the case of war. Finnish army is very impressive!
Many Ukrainians have fled to Finland to be safe. Tells you something about how well Finland is protected by being ready to defend against Russia for decades. Even when Finland has been threatened, we've just kept calm. We are ready, and we have been for generations, to defend ourselves and now we have even more outside help to keep our Country safe. Edit: Even Russians were flooding to Finland, when the war in Ukraine broke out.
The fact that road runs basically 800 miles basically parallel to the boarder had me rolling with laughter. That's like a Deathstar level exploitable flaw.
My grandmother is Finnish and grew up in what became Russian territory after the invasion. She had to flee with her family in the middle of the night when she was a teenager
Same here, my grandmother and grandfathers families fled from Karelia to Sweden in the middle of the night, She used to tell me about it all the time when i was a kid sleeping over at her place
My grandmother has a similar story, she remembers being pulled by her mother on a sled on her 4th birthday fleeing with his mother and siblings from Viipuri to Helsinki during heavy bombings. She still remembers it clearly almost 80 years afterwards.
So my grandmother too. They lived in Finland Karelia ishtmus. So close to an old Russian border (25km) (16miles?). St Petersburg (old Leningrad) 70km (43miles) from there. When i was a kid i always listen fancy stories from old finnish Karelian 😊😊
What would that mean? That "Finns" are rather an artificial construct than something naturally existing prior? You cannot "let's be ***" something you already are.
And now Ukrainian fascists saying that Russains aren't Slavs but Finns. And sine Finns decided to throw away their freedom, they have to follow narrative. Time to find a new name Finns.
@@morzh1978 Quite reductive reasoning. If everything must exist as it was prior, naturally, we'd have to go back to Pangean borders when most of Earth's land mass (7 continents) was large and almost contiguous.
Even I, a Finn who has a good grip on what this corner of the world looks like, appreciated the visuals. Even knowing where everything is, I think it made it a lot easier to understand what everything that's being said really would mean in practice and get a deeper understanding of the situation
As a neighbour to Finland and having visited their country multiple times I can concur that they are highly practical and sensible people. They have a bunker under almost every house and they have a lot of tunnels through out their entire country. All their infrastucture, even in the rural areas is generally well maintained. The people themselves are trustworthy and reliable when it comes to business dealings.
@@AmateurHEROduelist are you delusional? The MAD doctrine means the Russians would never nuke us and we would never nuke them, but we can still threaten them, besides Russias nukes could be shot down by many nato members before it gets to London.
I know that as a finn my opinion is kinda biased, but I just wanted to thank you for mentioning in your video that Finland didn't have any other choise but to join with Germany in order to keep our independece. A lot of people just say we were like nazis and that we sided with the bad guys but they don't see the bigger picture.
I always thought that Hitler trying to push into Soviet Territory and hold it was a terrible decision, which it was, considering how many Germans died to the Russian Winter. But I never knew that it was also probably to force 2 fronts with Finland pushing from their end. Guess he had no choice? Anyways, Had Japan not bombed Pearl Harbour, bringing the USA into it, Germany and it's allies could have potentially won WW2 albeit without being able to successfully invade the UK. In that timeline, you would have joined the good guys - since history is written by the victors. People also don't see the bigger picture that the Nazi's rose to power because of the treaty of Versailles from WW1. Everyone involved in that basically created the Nazi party with how much they punished Germany.
The whole "Nazi" thing is kinda idiotic anyway. A huge majority of people at that time didn't like the Jews. Hitler literally had a gigantic portrait of Henry Ford behind him at his desk at his office. Ford was one of Hitlers idols. Henry Ford literally wrote books on how terrible Jews are and why we should kill them all - and you'd get a free book for every Ford you bought. Like a brochure for your car. Just instead of explaining how it works, you're told that you should kill Jews and that they are evil. And Ford is praised like a god by Americans. Hitler literally praising Americans and their behaviour towards Jews in his book "Mein Kampf" and saying it was his inspiration. And most of the Nazi leadership openly saying that they only became anti-Semitic, because of the Americans and what those said about the Jews. Henry Ford's "The international Jew" series likely being the biggest influence, because it's named so often. Jews were disliked everywhere in the world at that time. Hitler basically just did what the others wanted to do - in addition to the war.
@@stevenlang9849 wow, I didn't know that. Do you also know the reason why jews were so universally disliked then? It just seems insane to me that they could go from that to Elite Zionists that control a huge portion of the world.
Well, not Nazis. The government was filled with warmongeres and the state was very fascistic, with stuff like the Lapua movement's demands being accepted and the left opposition forced completely underground (The social democrats were excluded from this, which makes you wonder how closely they'll align with fascists.), not to mention how many reds we put into concentration camps (offical information of this doesn't exist, documents having gotten either destroyed or 'going missing'. We only know about the camps from officer and soldier testimonies, but also from their and the prisoners' journals). Don't also forget that we attacked first in the 20s by the tribal wars. 'Unifying our cultural and lingual brothers' my ass. When the 1939 demands came for an exchange of land, we almost accepted the demands. It was a small clique formed from the national coalition and others that in the end refused the deal, giving us an ultimatum, which was once again refused. After three months of fighting and in the end conceding to prevent any more damages, we were still at an governmental level in a state of war. Whoch makes the continuation war thing a bit b*llshitty for me, cause because the country was at a state of war, the army was effectively in control. 'Armeijahallitus' it was called. This enabled generals of the army, Including Mannerheim, to sign a treaty with Hitler's germany for an invasion of the soviets. Mind you this was done without the consent of the parliment, which after war was declared was forced to go with it. The fact that our early 20th century history is so whitewashed (double meaning here), and how that whitewashed narrative is even pushed today. I mean, who cares about Häyhä, or 'hakkaa päälle, pohjan poika'. This isn't the 30s, stop pretending it is.
My grandmother is from Karelia, which today is part of Russia. In the Winter War, her father was an officer in the Finnish army. At the end of the War, all officers had to be given over to the Russian to be trialed in Russia. He fled to Venezuela though, taking my grandmother with him. She learned Spanish and grew up there. She then went back to Finnland. She found my grandfather who is g German and she died a few years ago in Hannover. She didn't speak a single word of Spanish anymore and she never revisited Karelia again.
Yes there are no happy tales from Karjala anymore. It used to be our industrial hub but now it is rusty forgotten border state with people who have no connection to the land. Population was replaced completely. My former teacher was from there and had to abandon her home. She did not tell us much but even as child I could tell it was very hard topic for her.
The part about officers being trialed in Russia is not true. Only 8 FInnish politicians were ever trialed for "Responsibility for the war" or war crimes. That's all.
No Finnish officers were trialed in the USSR nor in Finland. Some were afraid they would, in case the USSR managed to gain power in Finland. Therefore some officers left the country just to be sure.
My grandmother is also from Karjala, but was only a kid during the war. She is also a survivor of bombing of Elisenvaara when Russian airforce bombed and strafed the civilians being evacuated.
Sweden will NEVER abandon finland again. it was a mistake to not get involved directly back in ww2 to help out officially when the soviets attacked, but i am glad that there was willingness in people to help out anyway, and that sweden helped out finland unofficially. Finland is our nordic brothers, and you can count on your brothers this time.
Many mentions of how vulnerable the location of Saint Petersburg is, but not the reason for that location: it was intentionally founded on top of a Swedish outpost in 1703. It was a strategic point, a way to move in and assert power over newly conquered areas. Successfully so, going on 320 years now.
@Finnic Patriot I don't know what you're talking about. Slavs colonised almost as far north as st Petersburg and basically all of western russia(not to the urals) from 500-1000ad and colonisation of the americas only really began in 1500 but not too much happened until later and even then it was slow going all the way to the 1800s before it was fully colonised and even then by non European powers.
@Finnic Patriot If your talking about direct slavic control with a form of slavic leadership that is something different, I was referring to the colonisation by slavic tribes.
Lore, if you're going to mention Finland's conflict with the Soviet Union during WW2 then it's probably important to note that their "alliance" with Germany was part of one of the greatest uno reverse cards in history by the Finnish President Risto Ryti. Essentially Finland's alliance with Germany had the very specific condition that it would only be upheld for as long as Risto Ryti was President which is precisely why not long after Risto Ryti resigned from the role and allowed his successor to forge a non-aggression pact with Russia. Of course, the end result of this was the Soviets calling for the man to be imprisoned for his "war crimes" while Finland immortalised the guy as a hero. I can only assume there's a statue of him in Helsinki somewhere with some seriously massive balls.
That "personal guarantee" was only near the end to convince reluctant Hitler to divert weapons and other aid to help stop the summer '44 offensive. After the immediate threat had been thwarted, Ryti resigned.
Finland was caught in a vice - PERIOD. However Germany was an old ally of the Finnish elite. NOT Nazi Germany. On a scale of 1-10 I would rank Communism as the greatest scourge this earth has ever seen. Nazi Germany does not even come close to the destruction wrought on man by Marxian Communism. Today, while they do not adhere to Marxist ideology, the globalist use Marxist tactics to control you and brainwash you. The problem with Finland during WWII was that Sweden remained neutral and therefore there was no means by which the West could help them. That is why Churchill was so upset at the debacle in Norway and always desired an attempt ( Operation Jupiter ) to invade Norway and then hopefully compel Finland to switch sides or opt out of the war altogether. The problem was, Jupiter planning became a fiasco because the Soviets would not help. Therefore Jupiter became nothing more than a deception plan. What people do not understand is that the Bolsheviks / Soviets ALWAYS had designs on Finland and only attacked in 1940 because their internal coup failed to materialize. Stalin planned to take Finland the way he occupied the Baltic countries. This by building up their respective Comintern Communist parties and then mounting a coup. Those mounting the coup would then politely ask the assistance of the USSR to intervene. The USSR then NEVER leaves. It did not work, so Stalin attacked. When that did not work out as planned either, he once again bolstered Communists within Finland. So Finland has always, to some extent been a puppet of the USSR. When the USSR fell on its ass Finland remained a , to a large degree, a Communist state. That is why their supreme stupidity is being revealed now. It's pay back time. They are one of the few European countriest to continue to maintain a statue and park devoted to the lying mass murderer and moron Lenin. Again, what came first the chicken or the egg? Well, Communism came first THEN National Socialism. Hitler learned from the mistakes of Lenin and Trotsky and their NEP, and created a Communism of his own. Not a globalist, internationalist ideology but a NATIONAL one that attempted to fix the unfixable. The greatest LIE in history is that the NSDAP was a RIGHT-WING organization. That was a LIE begun by Klara Zetkin's Anti-Fascist organization set up by the Comintern in the 1920s because they were terrified of their somewhat similar competition.
im a dual citizen finnish american done my conscript service in finland... lived all over the world... south east asia, south america north america etc..... i moved back to finland in 2018 and will never leave... SUOMI!!
I know at least a century or so ago Finland had a land access to the Arctic Ocean. But today that land corridor that Finland owned now belongs to Norway, even though Finland never seems to have been fought with or been in any kind of fight with Norway. Finland has fought with its Russian neighbors throughout the 20th century.
@@michaelverbakel7632 You might be confused. Where in today's Norway would such corridor have been? I think the corridor you're talking about is now in Russia. Finland lost a notable chunk of land in there to Soviet Union in 1930's or 1940's.
I met a Finnish man in the US several years ago. We had an interesting conversation about the military. All young men are expected to serve in the military. They go for training for up to 5 1/2 months and then go to annual meetings, much like our National Guard and Reserve units in the US.
Here in Oz was called 'Nasho'. I refused to go because I ALWAYS choose my own enemies, for my own reasons. I DID volunteer to go to Vietnam (with the intention of deserting and fighting for the Vietcong, who were defending THEIR country), but got a reply from the military which said that anyone stupid enough to volunteer was too stupid to be in their army. Oh well.....
@@Emannn835 It gets better! My brother, already IN the army for 5 years (for the free uni education on full pay!) also volunteered to go to Vietnam (for the 30% pay rise). They told HIM: 'don't be stupid! We've just spent over $2 mil. educating you! There's NO way we're allowing you ANYwhere the bullets are flying!' (True story.)
Damn, that's interesting. I wonder why the military sucks in Mexico? I've never met anyone (anyone that wasn't a soldier already) that wanted to be a soldier or that was even in military academy. lol
A certain bear in the remote Finnish forest who was featured in a UA-cam video can confirm, it is extremely dangerous to mess with the Fins. When they come at you while muttering “Perkele”, its best to turn around and run.
@@oletoustrup8572 Russia never touched the Baltic states, because they are already NATO members. Ukraine has applied to join NATO since the invasion. NATO is the best protection from Russian attack.
NATO's goal is to complicate Russia's strategic position. How should Russia react in this case? Naturally, she says “don’t join NATO.” And if these countries had not joined, in reality, Russia would have been peaceful.
Turkish Parlement approved accepting Finland into NATO hours ago. There were 0 votes against out of nearly 300 cast. Hopefully, Ergodan will soon sign and it will be a done deal.
The true test of NATO will come if Russian or one of their allied nations decides to attack a NATO member country. If NATO fails to respond properly, then NATO will fall apart quickly.
As a Turk, I hope we will one day get rid of the dictators and, aim for reaching at least the levels of democracy as in Finland today; and then we will prosper together as an alliance. But for now, we have a m.f. dictator called Tayyip Erdoğan 🇹🇷 😢 🇫🇮
At 6:00 you missed the fact that the soviets also demanded that finland dismantle all defenses in the karelian isthmus which would have given the soviets a free route all the way to helsinki
I visited Finland in 2015 for a world gymnastics event and we went to the Suomenlinna military fortress on an island just outside Helsinki. Such fascinating piece of history! We also almost accidentally stayed on the train in Helsinki too long and ended up in St. Petersburg. 😬
The border with Russia has a rail line and a road just inside Russia. Russia keeps nuclear assets in a location served by these. If the Finns see Russia making a move to the facility they will destroy the road and rail line then dig in for a fight.
A memory popped in to my head about one of the small illegal raves at Suomenlinna back in the late 90's. It was a perfect venue with its bunkers and tunnels. Every summer would see increasingly larger parties until they became commercial and monetized in the mid aughts. The first ones were only ith maybe 20-30 people. When I needed a break, I'd just walk a few minutes and it'd be nice and quiet. There are some beautiful isolated spots in between the walls of the fortifications and the waters edge, like mini beaches. Some of the seemingly unpassable bushes or cliffs leading to them only seemed that way until you pushed through, like purpose built secret passages. After a splash in the water and a rest inside an abandoned gun emplacement I was ready to go again. There was no hurry to leave in the morning either, I slept at one of the hideouts until I felt like moving. It's simultaneously a public attraction and a quiet out of the way spot, it's quite unique. Definitely worth checking out. I think I had a point, but I lost it while editing this for half an hour...
Just FYI: The last war Sweden ever fought was not the Napoleonic wars, but a short war against Norway in 1814 to force Norway to join a union with Sweden
@@johnmcgovern5372 Åland belong to Finland, but everyone talk Swedish. Åland did belong to Sweden til 1809, before Finland got it. Back in 1918 durin WW1, Russia occupied Åland. Hence why first Sweden, and later Germany invaded it.
@@johnmcgovern5372 "Invading", no. The majority of the population wanted to be a part of Sweden(they had a vote with over 95% of the population voting for leaving Finland and joining Sweden), so they asked the Swedes to come over and protect their interests until they became a part of Sweden(They still speak Swedish to this day) Then Sweden and Finland made a deal with the help of the League of Nations. Which is often said to be the only thing League of Nations got done during it's lifespan. The deal was for the island to continue govern itself but still technically be Finnish. It's a very fascinating story.
Given what a Finnish moose hunter did to the Soviets in a hundred days during the Winter War, I got good odds on the Finns; once again an amazing video, great work
@@ttvichannel Well luckily I wear my sacred ward, the VPN!! Curse me all the way you want! Won't sub to your channel anyways. XD Good luck with your horrible advert campaign. Flagged.
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This is one of the best analysis of the situation I've seen in recent weeks. A lot of hard work put into background checks. Thorough analysis of different points of view. I'm impressed.
Finnish radars see deep in Russian territory. Can not comment, how deep. Also: Finnish coast was miked up already early 80's. Also: Finland can, under NATO umbrella, invite US AWACS planes to fly near East border.
The advantage I see is only in the arctic race. From this war we all have observed how effective the nukes, without even using them, are. That renders any threat useless. Case and point: Russia and NATO.
Me too. I think they joined NATO to avoid being invaded by NATO. Militarily they are still neutral and have no intention of getting involved in the war.
you stated it perfectly, its best to leave the Finns alone, they a peaceful people, that is until you mess with them, then you better stand aside, as the proverbial shit will hit the fan, just ask Ole Uncle Joe, he knew better than to tray and take all of Finland after getting kicked in the nutts, not once but twice, he decided taking some land and calling it a win was the best option.
Our leadership has been so weak recently though. We haven't considered Russia an enemy in for a long time. The scars are there of course and there are people who hate russians to the core here, but no smart person has thought of them as an imminent threat. I still think maintaining a strong defensive force is needed, mainly due to the unpredictable nature of Russian leadership. Having said that, there are a lot of russians living in Finland and to an extent, vice versa + Russia was one of our most important trade partners. Usually when an EU country agrees to something that they suffer from, they require some sort of compensation from the union, which is fair and sensible in my eyes. When we joined the trade embargo, our leadership pretty much said "okay, fine, sounds like a right thing to do." Now we pay for Nato aswell, which we really didn't need and the amount of companies/overall impact on economy from the trade embargo is huge. Gosh I miss the times, when we had strong leaders who thought about our interests first and foremost. Nowadays our leaders seem much more interested in securing their spot in the various EU councils, after their term is done in Finland.
@@jirachie9772 I would say the problem is the globalization and then it becomes who on the far west benefits from a decision whereas someone on the forefront east does not benefit, but is the one paying the price for just like you said the sanctions on Russia is a "punishment" imposed by NATO aka west the globalized political world, but the prize is paid by all. However, the one that have the closest relations and trades with Russia pay the highest price because as you said lots of businesses get interrupted and maybe die. Look at Armenia for example its my country and I feel bad, but the moment Russia got busy with their own Ukranian War, they pulled their forces from Armenia and Azerbaijan simply took over lands and now taking more lands all that because Russia pulled out the defences they were offering to Armenia. There is no perfect world, but I aggree with you our leaders need to put the country's and the people first before the "global" agendas. How can a country think about the global, when their very own people and borders are at threat from mentally brainwashed people and "slaves" that are the soldiers being sent to the front.
As our President Sauli Niinistö replied some time back, when asked who Russia should blame for Finland's and Sweden's applications to NATO, his response was, "Look in the mirror". I'm an American who's lived in Helsinki since 1995, and I can say without hesitation that it's beyond foolish to mess with the Finns - they're bad-ass to the core. 🙃
Finland says to a mirror: look in the mirror. We are mirroring NATO's movement to our borders since 1991. 15 countries more. "Not an inch more eastward" J.A Baker (U.S. Secretary of State 1989-1992)
@@_Shtosh_ True. Nobody seems to remember that statement. I know it from the very beginning. In THAT year. When there is an expansion, I always think: Do they have a memory disorder? What is it?
More than americans? that invaded Irak and Afganistan and bombed alone Serbia? noooo... That can not be coming from an american... You should hide CIA will consider you a traitor
@@_Shtosh_ That statement was made in the context of German reunification in a verbal pledge not to station any NATO equipment in Eastern Germany, which the U.S. has funnily enough kept to this day. There was no change to NATO’s Open Door policy at all and no formal agreement was ever made that limited their expansion into Central and Eastern Europe. Also noting that pretty much everyone that has joined NATO has done so willingly for very good reason (I.e. former Warsaw Pact and Soviet satellites), so really this is kind of a moot point overall.
@@georgelabe-assimo4365 сcitation: "It is NATO's business to state unequivocally: Whatever happens in the Warsaw Pact, there will be no extension of NATO territory eastward, that is, closer to the borders of the Soviet Union. These security guarantees are significant for the Soviet Union and its behavior. The West must also take into account the realization that the changes in Eastern Europe and the German unification process must not be allowed to affect Soviet security interests. Creating the necessary conditions for this will require a high degree of European statesmanship. Ideas that the part of Germany which today constitutes the GDR should be included in NATO's military structures would block German-German rapprochement. (... )" German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher's speech in Tutsing on January 31, 1990
6:00 you forgot to mention Finnish reasoning for rejecting Stalin's "offerings". The fact is that Soviet demand for the new border went straight through the defensive Mannerheim line. Basically the negotiations were theater for the Soviets because they knew Finns would never accept that kind concession, no matter how much your own territory, which was empty woodland, you gave them in return. If Finland had accepted either of the two "offerings" from the Soviets, Mannerheim line would've practically become useless and eventual Soviet invasion would've been even easier and in that alternate timeline Soviets would've actually marched into Helsinki.
Before the Russian occupation the alliance of Finns and Swedes had been sporadic informal tribal alliances to do different raids from early iron age to formally same country from around 1200. Just at the start of the second world war Finland and Sweden tried to form an mutual (defense) union again after 100 or so years of not doing that (because of the occupation). Both nazi Germany and Soviet union threatened to destroy the entire north if that would ever happen again. It tells a lot about how much of an military power an allied north can be if it wants to.
By "formally same country" I assume you mean that Sweden came in with military force and subjugated the Finnic tribes under the Swedish Empire. The Swedes were never too fond of the Finns, who spoke a different language and whom they didn't consider equals in any sense. Finns were essentially colonized by a foreign power for nearly a millennium, and many still harbor some resentment towards Swedes over this (though nothing in comparison to the Russians, who truly terrorized us for centuries).
Lmao this sounds like something a Russian would say about Ukraine. Finland wasn't an "ally" of Sweden, it was in effect a settler colony, with swedes settling Finland for centuries.
@@ObakeOnna You are reading too much on the old 19th century nationalistic history. Yeah, the swedes did read into that too and there was a lot of shit because of it. But modern history pretty much says there was never a subjugation. as you say. How could they even subjugate us? When the Russians could not. Ask your self this question. Don't make your self a victim. The modern history shows more or less that there has been an continuous (sometimes violent, sometimes friendly) communication with the swedes a long before we became swedes. hundreds of years, even thousands. The nation that became Sweden was more likely a long slough of tribal marriages and friendships than some drunken voyage of conquer, that the catholic Church wanted to portray.
I hope NATO gradually accepts sweden, norway and finland into joining their military alliance, sweden has some powerful artillery called archer truck artillery this war machine can be very useful unit as a guard howitzer battallion addition for the NATO branch squad forces, this will make NATO more powerful against the evil russia itself
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The US alliance with Russia was strange, to put it lightly. But since we were allied with Britain, and Britain was at war with Germany, and Germany was allied with Japan, who was also an enemy of Russia dating way back.
This is an amazing video, but i just want to point out that Sweden's military is not completely voluntary, as everyone has to fill out a form of how their health is and if the military wants them, they have to do a "GMU", or basic military education. Also, that was not an F/A-18, but a Eurofighter :)
It's not Russia who wants war, it's Putin Any normal person does not want war It is sad that the author talks about countries like all the people there think the same way Like It is some conscious being and not just a lot of people with some bad actors on the top Like USSR's wars were started by the same people who live today, like all people share the same desire and idea. It's not true, there are a lot of different people and only some of them start wars. Don't say Russia or Finland or whatever. Say Stalin or Putin or Hitler. Otherwise you can say that Germany is the same nazi country it was in 1940s and so on. Do not confront people by calling them different sides, unite them, because we are all Humans and every death is a tragedy and nobody should see other humans as evil enemy. We have our common enemy - Death. And a bunch of mad dictators who are not fixed yet. Peaceful sky for any of you.
@@elpsykongr00 Hitler never spent a day working in the camps, nor did Stalin by himself alone cause the Great Famine in Ukraine. Blaming every single citizen of Russia now is not just, but only blaming the one at the top is not logical either.
It was completely voluntary between the years of 2010 - 2017 since during that time you didn't need to fill out any form and nobody was required to do GMU. Now that was only changed in 2017 so that everyone basically just had to fill out a form but the amount of people required to serve is very minimal. You can still decline today and I know a friend who did just that which was something you couldn't do in the past, otherwise you'd be spending years in prison.
Not true! GMU is not the case, People who have turned 18 are called for tests to do "militärtjänstgöring". GMU is for old farts that wasn't affected by the new rules
I live just few km away from the Russian border near a border crossing point.... Since spring of this year, there has been interesting increase of air traffic, lot of big ass choppers flying around on same routes, including those French ones with gun attached below. I've ever seen those flown by twos and threes outside of big exercises before and this has become a routine. Gone are the lone border guard choppers, now its twos and threes of air force stuff. Also the local army base has become far more active, I can hear the gunshots from their shooting range. Whole lot more of machinegun fire than before and I'm talking more than just RK's. Just days ago they were also shooting artillery over there, huge loud bangs over and over. I haven't heard mortals for quite a while. All this activity is normal here, but not with this frequency. The local base has a fast response spec ops guys, I bet they're given extra ammunition to burn on the range as there's so much more noise. Never heard this much shooting and seen this kind of air traffic before. Which is great, keep them on their toes.
Good to know, respect to the Finns, aka The Winter War. Welcome to the NATO club Sir. sadly the Second Cold War has arrived (it arrived 10 yrs ago, but now at least the Ostriches can no longer claim its not here)
@@JonathanMercure About Jåttanuten? Can't hardly see it.. The big hill in the middle of a flat Jæren landscape. And Bodø and Trondheim and, and, and.. 😁
@@Ira88881 dude no Europeans will do anything offensive they're all cowards it will be the Americans, the British and probably the polish doing all the work while the rest stay neutral even if article 5 is triggered never trust a European ally.
I'm a 2nd Lieutenant (Vänrikki) of the reserves in the Finnish Defence Force. This is very good content, thank you. Also, thanks to all Nato-member countries who welcomed us into the Alliance. For the first time since the service, I feel like we are finally not alone against the Russians, if they ever attack Finland again. Take care, everyone.
First LOL on everything you wrote and second LOL for you thinking you are safe from Russia. And congrats entering most genocide alliance ever this planet see, now you can attack and kill everyone who don't want US capitalism in his own country and attack countries who have more resources than US and rest of NATO. And one question for you lieutenant why NATO forces guard the fields of poppy used for the production of heroin in Afghanistan??? And one more thing, how many countries Russia attack in last 40 years and how many civilians killed by Russia and same question is for NATO alliance...
Like Ukraine, do you think they had a reason to attack you before you were a part of NATO? Like... for 80 years they haven't attacked you guys right? And now they have more than enough reason to target you with nukes... how does making yourself a legitimate nuclear weapons target make your country safer? You're safer now because if the Russians nuke you... NATO will defend your nuclear wasteland with... NATO nukes. Europe is apparently full of strategic genius. How many World Wars will it take to get that point across...
As a swede with grandparents from Finland, the decisions for our countries to join NATO is something that's been very debated here. Thank you for bringing it up in detail and explaining so clearly what it could mean for future relations between the countries involved. Great video as always.
@@mmosnow1281 Video is irrelevant, european nations bring little to nothing to the table, they're all a bunch of useless leeches. So when they say "join nato", it really means another kid in the day care of the US.
@@DrWatson610 Actually it's a bit tricky. Murmansk is inland not coastal and the river would be frozen without the Polar Stream. Also if we talk about the eventual ocean the ships are going to sail into maybe, I don't have the knowledge, but Murmansk is way out there and maybe the nearby coast's ocean water is warmed by the air masses just as much as by the stream.
I'm now realizing you do the amount of reading for every one of these videos that I had to do for every term paper during my international relations degree. Mad respect. Thank you for the content 🙏
Finish fascist regime was a friend of Nazi Germany regime by default, without any pre-conditions. Carl Gustaf Mannetheim was a big fan of Hitler. What, nobody told you that?
I'm Finnish, I'm glad you covered this topic. I feel somewhat safer with what you said here. I remember being really anxious and depressed when the invasion of ukraine started, as I was in the middle of my military/defense force service.
One should also take into account the difficult terrain on the Finnish borders: unlike the flatlands of Ukraine, which are ideal for tanks, Finland is surrounded by thousands of lakes, hills and dense woods. Further up north, it's mostly just wet bogland, without any roads. The southern coast is way too rocky and shallow for a naval invasion (navy was never the Russians' strong suit, either). This natural barrier made it impossible for Russians to reach major town or cities even in the WW2. As for the common threats about nukes, we are far too close to St. Petersburg: the prevailing wind would carry the fallout to Putin's old stomping grounds.
@@commenter4898 That's indeed the only threat. But if you want to occupy a country, you need boots on the ground. Even in Ukraine the missile shields can now block the majority of incoming Russian missiles, so there's a limit what they can do. Finland also has missiles of its own that reach all the way to SPb.
As a Russian, I can tell what Finns and their country are beautiful. Clean territory and good legislation, in principle, the same can be said about the Scandinavian countries.
@@johndoe-vc1we He is obviously struggling with the language. No, we do not object to Finland joining NATO. Most Russians do not care for anything much at all, except for the well being of their immediate family. We are a very atomized society, that's one of the reasons why propaganda had been so effective - there are literally no informal (or formal ones for that matter) institutions that can offer any semblance of counter balance. It's a curse and a blessing in the present time. On one hand, it allowed a dictator to rise to power and cleanse any and all semblance of oppsoition or checks on said power, but it also prevents us from transforming into a totalitarian state -- since it requires people to actually unite and be proactive in the interest of some totalitarian ideology, which requires social cohesion. I.e.: people at large will nod and feign approval, but in reality they don't care at all and won't do shit to either support or fight against the regime.
Sweden actually has a bigger impact than Finland. Whereas Finland creates a really long NATO-Russia border with direct contact, Sweden actually closes the strait of Denmark (note: wrong strait name!). If you look carefully at maps showing exclusive national waters, the strait is entirely controlled by NATO countries. There is no concept of free passage through straits in maritime law. You control it, you do what you want with it. Look at turkey with the Dardanelles, for example. They have signed a convention for international commercial use but have retained the right to close the strait to military ships when it sees fit.
I wouldn't say either makes a bigger impact. Both have different values to add, and they're had to quantitate and compare. No need to turn it into a pissing contest between neighbors :)
@@Tsuchimursu actually, Russia's warm water port access is VERY limited, maybe i forget how cold the baltics are lol but, not to mention the economic activities Russia operates in the baltics.
Sweden closes Russian ships out of the Atlantic, but Finland+Estonia can close St.Petersburg from the Baltic and therefore from central and Western Europe.
I would say the difference is the distance. From Finland you can destroy St.Petersbourgh and deny access to baltic sea overall. From Sweden you can stop movement out of baltic sea.
You are easily impressed. America has the largest economy in history and only the president has a bunker. What's your point? It's noise like this that makes me believe voting shouldn't be a right to everyone.
Ah yes. The infamous logic bankrupt bark of older means not so good. Nukes are almost a 100 years old and they can make you wish you had a 2,000 year old bunker. Hey 2023, go comment on someone else's reply and spare me your lack of thinking. Imbecile parents bring imbecile children.
I am^^ Russia invaded Ukraine because of their gas fields and the port on crimea, but also to keep Nato away from their border.... Provoking even more countries bordering them to join Nato... What a fail. I hope russia loses the war and then gets split up like the soviet union. Most of their country isn't inhabited by russians anyways, they should get their own countries.
Grateful to not only the Finns who gave their lives to protect Finland’s sovereignty during the winter war but to all the Swedes who volunteered to go to their brother country and protect them, both with military who died alongside the Finns, as well as medical personnel and monetary aid. And that Sweden helped evacuate Finnish kids to their own country to keep them safe. We do help each other when in need. Finlands sak är vår.
so Finland being allied to German NAZIS in ww2 doesn't bother you? still can't make a connection to why Russia invaded Ukraine, another country that loves Nazis?????
Sweden also denied Britain and France entry through their lands when they wished to come and help Finland and all the Swedes who volunteered did just that, volunteered, as the king of Sweden specifically denied any official governmental aid to Finland and wanted us to accept the harsh terms of surrender. All and all Sweden did the bare minimum for their neighbor who were also fighting to keep Soviets out of Sweden too. Just laying these out here before you pat yourself on the back a bit too much.
The fact, that people underestimate Finland on it's own might be their biggest advantage. Their army might be small on paper, but their reserve is massive. I've heard that entire families are from time to time excersise with military. Also, having small army makes it easy to modernise technologicaly. Their war rediness is on much higher level, than Russian army...
Russia is like that angsty teenager that blames everybody else but himself. They threaten other countries and then cry when they join NATO. You caused that yourself comrades. 😆
Respect to people who don't like bullies, sadly I think half of GB would not fight for our country like the brave Ukrainians have, it seems our bottles gone .
Fun fact; at the start of Covid lockdown, it turns out that Sweden (where I live) only had food supplies for approx a week (the government has an agreement with the private sector retail chains to maintain extra stocks of essentials), whereas Finland has massive storage facilities hidden away in the woods holding like three months worth of stock. All of it meticulously managed with proper FIFO procedures to ensure the products were not aged. That was pretty badass! You can shut Finland down for three months and keep everyone well fed and cared for and in Sweden, on day three we've run out of toilet paper and soap! This is of course being re-aligned now and with the added Putin factor, I'm sure prioritized. btw my mother in law is from Karelen (Karjalen) and lived something like 3 km from the Russian border. When the Soviets invaded they of course left everything behind and took only what they could hurriedly load up on a horse cart. She and a whole lot of small kids were then shipped off as refugees to safety in Sweden.
finland has only army 2 divisions, its isolated not capable of being supplied easily or in any note worthy amounts if russia starts something. russia has been holding out against the full force of nato arms for about a year now. the most interesting thing is that sweden is being blocked isolating finland even more whilst basically turning in to aggressor against its much stronger and bigger neighbor. Now with russias neighbors kazakstan poland serbia ukraine all being thrown in to chaos it is clear that this move isnt finlands own choice. they are part of the plot to create disruption on russias border to pressure russia without actaully creating a strong Scandinavian alliance that posses a threat to the western rulers. after russia and china falls a global world government can be installed as they are the last two world powers holding out, for who knows what purpose that this global hegemony is created. considering the trend of lack of humanity care of life in all these nato actions including the funding of terrorist's and direct attacks on civilian populations food industry causing literal genocides troughout history and the whole 10 million population on the planet thing that comes out the rulers mouths its just a very bad development
To clear up some things: NATO cannot force a member country to host nukes, if the country doesn't want it. Finland cannot take them even in theory, because the Finnish law prevents nuclear weapons.
@@mv_5878 for their goverment to even join russia means they will be a western cocksucking country so they will 100% host nukes no one says no to uncle Sam
This might actually go down as the dumbest political move in the history of Finland. They plan to gain territory from a defeated Russia, they are more likely to gain a nuclear wasteland. Stupid people in power playing Risk with our lives.
Thanks for making this video. :3 As a long-time viewer, it's nice to see a big channel like yours talking about Finno-Russian relations and the fate of Viipuri. - Offspring of Viipuri refugees
Also, instead of discussing whether or not we should get rid of conscription, the public discourse is about EXPANDING conscription to be gender neutral, as opposed to men only.
All of Finlands main roadways, tunnels, bridges, etc. have detonation points so that they can be strategically blown up. Also, almost every roadway system also has walkways or paths for troops/small arms. I have lived in Finland for a year and know they don’t fuck around.
Good luck Russia
I'm sure a few nukes in Helsinki would be all the luck you need
Every roadway has walkways for troops? Do you mean pedestrians?
@@Juho221 pedestrians = troops in Finland
@@Juho221 did you watch the video?
@@wederMaxim don’t worry. We have sauna tents and they are great for guerilla sauna operations.
I like how Russia threatening other European countries to not join nato can be responded with "What are you gonna do? Invade me?"
@Kashgari That would be a self-destructive act.
@@rick7424
No winner's
Only Roaches 🪳 survive
@@rick7424 And you will die too don't forget that ;)
@@earth7551 If Russia fires one nuke, half the world is gonna invade them immediately.
And that nuke could be intercepted.
@@wederMaxim all countries are connected by trade, at an increasing pace going back at least as far as the neolithic.
I heard a saying once; *"While countries have their own armed forces, Finnish Defense Forces have a country of their own."*
As a Finn, i like this proverb.
Prussia wasn't it, not Finland
Don’t give away your country like Sweden did.
Yes, we'll never forget this when they joined arms with Nazi Germany.
thats cool! :)
@@cdybft9050 whatever nazi
Small correction: Sweden didn't stop all wars after 1809. In 1814 there was a very short campaign against Norway to make them agree to the union, which in turn came about after an even shorter conflict with Denmark in 1813.
I hate countries that cause war!!!
Fuck all of them 🤬
Soldiers in Russia are just slave labor, these poor men that Putin sent to their deaths should turn on their leadership and at least leave their families honorable and free!!!
The Finnish application to NATO is why I've been saying that Russia lost the war in Ukraine on day one. Even if Russia managed to completely defeat Ukraine (which they haven't), this strategic loss is so dramatic and stands in stark contrast to what Putin actually wanted. I think it is totally fair to say that Russia lost by failing to uphold their strategic goals.
Depends on the actions. If Russia completely stops trading with Finland, it will cause huge damage to it. If by some miracle capitalist Russia does it right, and not for profit, Finland will never join NATO.
@@wederMaxim Russia only gets like 5-10% of Finnish exports
@@wederMaxim Not gonna happen. Finland knows that it's only chance of being secure is joining NATO.
@@0816M3RC it will be destroyed before joining. If they keep trying. And in a very unlikely possibility that they manage to Russia will just be forced to have a war with NATO. That's all there is to it. It's better now then after being completely surrounded after all.
Which is funny because Russia doesn't need neither Finlands territory nor it's people. Finland is not Ucraine, finnish people aren't Russians. It's existence barely matters. To Russia if Finland is all just wiped off map it's still mission uccomplished. No NATO bases possible there after all. Frankly it feels like fins are trying to self destruct. Also. They were given freedom on basis of being neutral. Joining NATO means breaking that deal.
@@PutXi_Whipped okay bot
As a Dane, I do feel safer having Finland in the Alliance. Finns embody the "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst" mentality.
As a Swede, I do feel safer having NATO protecting us. Swedes embody the ”Hope for the best, prepare for nothing” mentality, so we won’t be able to offer NATO much 🥲
@@XNeohaggenX and they didn’t have a huge border to protect until they joined NATO? Ukraine showed what it meant to be alone bordering Russia. How is it safer not being part of a defensive alliance when your neighbour obviously can and will use conventional arms to dominate weaker countries?
@A Memory of Light it's not safer lol, that's why Finland's decided to join. It even said so outright in the video 🤣
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We won't be in the alliance in a long time, maybe never. Turkey and Hungary are going to sit on this so they can milk it for dimes for all eternity.
Russia:threats countries to not join NATO
Other countries: reacts by joining NATO
Russia: no this isn't how you're supposed to play the game
UPDOOT!!!
they usually invade before they join nato (ask georgia and ukraine)
how do you explain-
countries: i'm going to join NATO
Russia: i'm gonna be mad if you do
countries: i joined despite no threat existing
Russia: oh, i'm about to give you a threat to worry about
countries: i joined because Russia threatened me
Russia: .
@@happyblt624 exactly. The dangerous period is when a country is making attempts to westernize but haven't formally joined or applied to join. Russia has a lot of incentive to attack countries like that
@@sinoroman The occupation by the USSR was terrible. Better safe than sorry.
All I know is that there was this Finnish guy called the White Death...
he's a legend, even more known abroad than in finland i think.
@@marsmars124
We had slice show made from it when I was in 2-3th grade!! (It was done by 2 years older, I have really small school) Really known in finland
ello mate
Let me tell you about this chap named Larry Thorne...
What you miss in this video, is that you should clarify some things. Mainly the fact that even when Finland was a part of Russian empire 1809-1917, the Russian laws were not valid in Finland because Finland´s legal system from Swedish rule was still kept in use. Also during the time Finland was officially known as Grand Duchy of Finland which legally an autonomous area and was ruled by Finnish nobility but it had a governor-general appointed by the Russian Czar.
In short:
Finland was part of Russian empire but not part of Russia.
Edit: Added a word "area" which was missing
Russia had Finland exactly where it wanted it. If it wanted to incorporate it, they could've done that and was about to do before the revolution.
Autonomy
Finland founded russia ?
And we shot the most dictator like of the governors in late 1800s.
Also, sounds weird to say "Swedish rule". Finland was just apart of Sweden and had been for over 600 years by the time Russia took over. It wasn't some colony of Sweden lol.
A large group of Russian soldiers in the border area in 1939 are moving down a road when they hear a voice call from behind a small hill:
"One Finnish soldier is better than ten Russian".
The Russian commander quickly orders 10 of his best men over the hill where Upon a gun-battle breaks out and continues for a few minutes, then silence.
The voice once again calls out: "One Finn is better than one hundred Russian."
Furious, the Russian commander sends his next best 100 troops over the hill and instantly a huge gun fight commences. After 10 minutes of battle, again Silence.
The calm Finnish voice calls out again: "One Finn is better than one thousand Russians from:
The enraged Russian commander musters 1000 fighters and sends them to the other side of the hill.
Rifle fire, machine guns, grenades, rockets and cannon fire ring out as a terrible battle is fought...
Then silence.
Eventually one badly wounded Russian fighter crawls back over the hill and with his dying words tells his commander, "Don't send any more men!!! It's a TRAP! There are TWO of them!"
Thank you for sharing this very funny story Pythos!
Nice one. Better send in the Mobiks!
I've heard this joke in reference to every country on earth.
@@firstandlastname6194 Oh right, maybe you should check history of conflicts between Finland and Russia.
Nute Gunray: "This is getting out of hand! Now there are TWO of them!"
Master Yoda: "Always two there are; no more, no less."
Darth Finland, Darth Sweden: "But who is the Master and who is the Apprentice?"
It's probably an apocryphal story, but a Finnish soldier was alleged to have said in 1939, "So many Soviets, where will we bury them all?!"
well i havent heard that one but one kinda similar after Winter War Solviet officer said "We got enough land to bury our death"
They didn’t. They made frozen scarecrows with them.
@@joku232 It was Nikita Hrutchev who said it. He became leader of CCCP .
Later on an American official is said of have asked about reports of Soviet soldiers in Finland, to which his Finnish counterpart is supposed to have said "Oh yes, they are buried over there."
“They are so many, and our country is so small, where will we find room to bury them all?” is the exact phrasing.
Finland did not take part in attacking Leningrad, annoying the Germans very much but the Finns also knew the war would eventually end and Russia would remain a next door neighbourg.
Ну да, не принимала. Всего то помогла немцам морить ленинградцев голодом замыкая с севера кольцо блокады. Там ещё были моменты интересные, но зачем о них теперь. Это другое. Ох уж эти добрые миролюбивые финны.....
Germans burned our national peoples places on north. They are called sami people. There are at least these: kolttasami, northsami, inarinsami
Don't disrespect ones who helped save you@@Finnish_da_person
As a Finn, this is an excellent video that summarizes our situation extremely well. Good work!
Here's a fun fact about the Russian invasion of Sweden back in 1808:
The Russians had such an extensive network of spies operating in Finland that they had more accurate maps of the country than the Swedes, who'd ruled Finland for 600+ years 😆
Yeah... As a Swede, the more I learn about Sweden's so-called "Stormaktstid" ("Time as a Great Power"), the more convinced I grow that it really should be called our "Kassa Kolonialförsök" ("crappy colonial attempt").
At least we've got your back now, for what it's worth...
Let's get terms straight: Sweden *colonized* Finland for centuries.
@@tob564 yeah, sweden colonized and ruled finland.
Did you know that Sweden deposed its then King Gustav IV Adolph and his son Gustav.
@@tob564 potato potato
As someone whose country also has mandatory military service for men, I take my hat off to the people of Finland. Much love from Singapore
@Rico Thampaty Tell that to the Ukrainian people
"Bro, it's just for our propaganda and to induce fear into you, but they'd never actually do it"
Idiot
@Rico Thampaty Conscription, at least the Finnish version, is defence on the cheap. Conscripts are paid a daily allowance, which buys a few beers and some smokes. No one complains because it's what everyone does.
@Rico Thampaty 🤡
@Rico Thampaty you must be fun at parties
@@peabase yeah it's similar here. Conscription keeps military spending way down. My monthly allowance during my full time service was less than what a McDonalds server earns lol. The rest of our defence budget from what I know of, goes to hardware
I think this can be greatly described with "But everything changed when the Russian Federation attacked."
Ed: Wtf is this comment section.
Underrated comment
The russians wish they were as competant as the fire nation
If the Air Nomads, Earth Kingdom and Water Tribes had what Ukraine has they would have brutalized the Fire Nation in a month!!!
@@LS-jv9hp lmao
The USA installed a puppet government in 2014 overthrowing the elected government. The east of Ukraine said no to this and tried to separate.
Ukraine sent in there military to crush the people killing/murdering there own.
The people took up arms in self defense and needed help. Russia offered help.
Ukraine ended up in a civil war with Russia helping the people against a tyrannical puppet government installed by the USA.
The fighting was supposed to stop with the Minsk accords.
Ukraine broke the Minsk accords many times.
Ukraine kept shelling the peoples republics killing civilians.
In 2022 of Feb Russia show a huge build up of the Ukrainian army getting ready to attack the peoples republics.
Russia lunched its Special Military Ops to protect the people from the aggression the the Ukrainian government.
The conflict is not the sole fault nor sole responsibility of the Russia.
The USA and Ukrainian government are just as responsibility and guilty.
There's three guilty party's there USA, Ukrainian government and Russia.
The victims are the Ukrainian people in all of Ukrainian. Being used as puppets in a geopolitical chess game. By the USA to fight a proxy war in Ukraine against Russia.
I have learned an awful lot through this & a few other Vids. Thank you for producing them
Probably the most detailed explanation of the Finnish and Russian conflict and how Finland has adapted. Well done!
@Rico Thampaty What you just wrote was not true. The Stalin's purge part was not wrong, but not the whole picture.
@Rico Thampaty nope not a kingdom. But a Grand Duchy 1808 - 1917. The Russian zar was the Grand Duke of the Grand Duchy of Finland besides being the zar of the Russian Empire. Finland was granted autonomy, own legislation and Parliament. But every new zar increased the russification 🤬🤬🤬
@Rico Thampaty No. The russian military was poorly trained and equiped - just like they are now. Eggheads like that don't learn from their mistakes.
Nope, it's not precise explanation of relations. Tricky manipulative twist of historical events turning Russia from calm neighbor to etrrnal enemy. Which isn't true. Mannerheim was graduated from russian military school. Did author ever mentioned that or other very important, but inconvenient to narrative facts?
@ricothampaty4345 Not exactly true. Many Soviets also died due to not having proper equipment, and freezing to death.
Finland is now, officially, the 31st member of the NATO Alliance. This video is now even more relevant, a handful of months after it was posted.
31st member and one of 30 who rely on the one member who actually matters.....NATO is America....lets be honest.
@@illusionyx907 Please give us your top secret source of Russian targeting data, please. The CIA would be very interested.
@@illusionyx907 In nuclear war, it matters not if your the target or not, the fallout alone will likely kill the majority of the entire world.
@@mdw546 Just 1 or 2 nukes dropped can ensure MAD so yeah it really doesn't matter
@@illusionyx907 Please target them on more countries so they can join NATO as well
The total war concept of Finland is interesting and frightening at the same time - it still exists to this day. Finland is a sleeper when it comes to military power and pure war.
What does sleeper mean in this context?
@@erikafinland2162 They dont act big and powerful but when war comes they pack a punch. Take the Finnish Winter War for example
Jajajajajajajajajajajajjajajajajajajajajjajajajajajaajajaajajajajjajajajajajjajaj lmao
Finland will get rocked.
People desperate people will do desperate things. There are world-ending weapons in Russia. Why provoke them?
What's with this constant poking of the bear.
my grandfather fought 13 years and told he never was afraid, as in frozen forest at night, in Finland. I have a huge respect for Finns
Thank you q
*❤
My name is Finn, so I count?😂
"They thought they were moving chess pieces but they were actually throwing dice"- Cuban crisis
usa has no interest in literally placing strategic sized hypersonic nuclear missiles on the fin border, close to Petersburg, to try to create a political crisis artificially.
there is 400 km (250 mi) from Petersburg to finnish border.
cuban missiles were 140 km (90 mi) from Florida.
they are just interested in the kola peninsula area: a total of 81.5 per cent of russian strategic maritime nuclear capabilities are concentrated in the northern fleet, and its home to systems such as the RS-24 YARS and Murmansk-BN electronic warfare system.
russia’s EW capabilities were on display during natos’s trident juncture 2018 exercise, when both norway and finland were the victims of russian GPS jamming and interference.
and places like new SLBM storage facility (69.114642° 33.525728°) that consist of a total of 50 storage bunkers, each with four storage bays, that potentially houses a total of 200 rsm-56 Bulava SLBMs.
rsm-56 Bulava is a Russian submarine-launched intercontinental ballistic missile. missile can carry between six and ten 150 kiloton warheads. it´s considered a key element of the russian armed forces' nuclear triad.
perhaps a pre-emptive first strike into nuclear missile storages with stealth f35´s, that carries tactical nuclear missile on them, designed for bunker-busting, in case things ever break down. or at least, that's what usa wants russia to obsess about.
Daaaang
@@Redmanticore 400km? Are you sure? That seems a bit much.
Edit: Its not even 150km away from the finnish border.
@CatusBrutus Yes
This crisis person knows what’s up
Sweden really only stayed out of NATO due to Finland's position. It was an open secret that we'd join if they joined. In a very real way the decision was made in Helsinki for both countries.
This. Sweden and finland were just waiting opening To join Nato. Sweden knew this, finland knew this and Nato knew this.
Didnt russia know this?
Finland and Sweden has had a very hush hush history of cooperation. The Swedish Volunteer Force was a thing, and we took in refugees during several points in history.
I totally agree. We Finns and Swedes stick together, for foreigners it is maybe not as obvious, as there really has been no need to openly discuss or explain it to the world. Those who know, know.
To a certain extent yes, but remember that America and Sweden have a love-hate relatiinship. They didn't embargo us between 1973 and 1987 without reason.
Here I thought it was made with the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I heard a story once about a Swedish naval attaché that was sent to America. So when he came back to Sweden he begged the prime minister about that Sweden has to get an aircraft carrier. The prime minister then responded: “We already have the Worlds biggest aircraft carrier, Gotland”.
Gotland can't go anywhere though.
@@bigcoolviking where would you like to go in your aircraft carrier in the glorified lake that is the baltic sea?
@@nisu_unn I've sailed the Baltic, it is huge, Been to Visby too as it happens, the Capitol. Its just another island.
@@bigcoolviking Baltic sea is pretty huge
@@bigcoolviking not like Sweden has the same Global role as the US though.
A regional natural aircraft carrier is OP for Swedish needs.
Excellent information.
Fun fact Geography Now tried to explain Finland and got their video age restricted
The age restriction got removed if im not mistaken
@GZW_Tupid It was immensely petty that it happened at all.
That's hilarious though: I live in a age restricted country. 😆 Not everyone can say that! (I know YT content policies are a complete mess and creators are treated unfairly and all of that. I recognize there's a real problem and I'm not minimizing that at all, but there IS a comical aspect to this particular instance.)
orc trolls do that.
I guess Finland too sexy 😉
As a Finn, I can safely say what our mentality is: "We are not a threat. Leave us alone. But remember this... We. Will. Defend. Ourselves."
🇺🇦 ❤ 🇫🇮
Fins are pussie, ya’ll wont do shit 🤡🤣 I had a finnish girl for a while and she told me guys out there are pussies, scared to talk to them and overall weirdos.
Your country taught the Russians a harsh lesson in WW2 and, after over 80 years of preparation, would teach an even more rigorous class today.
Leave us alone and let us drink vodka in peace. Because we are the happiest nation in the world!))
Finland HAS done so and done it well.
Fitting that stupid Putin has now put his hometown in total danger from his own actions.
"If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready" seems to be Finland's national motto...
meanwhile canada lets its navy and military mothball...pathetic.
If so, THEY stole it from Mother Nature. Every dopey wombat understands that from birth. YOU did, too! How else would you know to pucker up and head for the nearest nipple a moment after birth? (with nary a question about the brand-name/'nationality'/price/politics/religion/etc. of said nipple.)
Somehow, along the way, we've lost track of life's realities. And NOT for the better.
We got a lot of great sayings.
"Hope for the best, prepare for the worst." sounds cool in Finnish but doesn't rhyme in English
This is a nice motto!
This aged like fine wine with Sweden's added flavor.
Aged? This video is made after Russia invaded Ukraine
@@nickinurse6433 Aged well, because not only did Finland join NATO, but Sweden did too. A double whammy.
It didnt even scratched Russia. Why would it anyway? Russia is the strongest economy in Europe at this moment and it reached practically all its goals in Ukraine. 😂😂😂
@@JohnSmith-xz5nb You are right about not scratching Russia by merely joining a defensive alliance out of their own volition. That's how it should be and is. Yet Russia takes it as a threat to their aggressively invasive imperialistic regime.
@@JohnSmith-xz5nb Meth head
I went to the Russia/Finland border last summer with some friends! The Finns have a restricted zone on their side which you can only enter with the right documents, but some parts of this zone consist only of small fields so you're still able to see the Russian treeline. Border patrol guys are really alert, they drove up to us about 30 seconds after us having parked the car, but the guy was cool about us being there.
u moved from finland to russia or what
Of course the Fins are cool there not animals there defending what’s theirs and are not looking to invade
@@juanelorriaga2840 savage, i love it. f**** Putin
@@juanelorriaga2840 That's xenophobia
In kirkenes, Norway you can walk right up to the border. but I would not recomend crossing it
The 1500 artillery systems includes some 700+ mortars, which some countries don't include in the same statistics. It's still a lot, of course, even if you count it as 700+ artillery systems and 700+ mortars separately.
Hämäläinen perusjuntti
If we are going to be comma fuckers it's gonna be larger now that Finland utilized it's additional buy option from last contract with South-Korea to buy additional 48 K9 Thunders
@@xYarbx Just wait till they start doing that _weird colon_ stuff
@@WackadoodleMalarkey they could fire K9s in line simultaneously to destroy an larger area
Its an enormous size of the artillery for such a small country, but definitely needed for a massive force Finland is capable to mobilize in the case of war.
Finnish army is very impressive!
Many Ukrainians have fled to Finland to be safe. Tells you something about how well Finland is protected by being ready to defend against Russia for decades. Even when Finland has been threatened, we've just kept calm. We are ready, and we have been for generations, to defend ourselves and now we have even more outside help to keep our Country safe.
Edit: Even Russians were flooding to Finland, when the war in Ukraine broke out.
the war in ukraine broke out in 2014, when kiev attacked their own citizens
and russia has more ukrainian refugees than any other country, about 3 million. more than all of central/eastern europe combined.
@@youtubeuser206 Ok , vanya . You can take 15 rubles from the table.
@@youtubeuser206 Yeah I'm sure the gun at the back of their heads definitely made them very motivated to move to Russia.
@@youtubeuser206 Hello Russian bot!
The fact that road runs basically 800 miles basically parallel to the boarder had me rolling with laughter. That's like a Deathstar level exploitable flaw.
My grandmother is Finnish and grew up in what became Russian territory after the invasion. She had to flee with her family in the middle of the night when she was a teenager
Same here, my grandmother and grandfathers families fled from Karelia to Sweden in the middle of the night, She used to tell me about it all the time when i was a kid sleeping over at her place
Do not translate!!! ତୁମେ ଅଭିଶାପିତ କାରଣ ଯଦି ତୁମେ ଅଭିଶାପ ଭାଙ୍ଗିବ ନାହିଁ ତୁମେ ମରିବ, ଅଭିଶାପକୁ ଭାଙ୍ଗିବାର ଏକମାତ୍ର ଉପାୟ ହେଉଛି ମୋ ଚ୍ୟାନେଲକୁ ସବସ୍କ୍ରାଇବ କରିବା .....
My grandmother has a similar story, she remembers being pulled by her mother on a sled on her 4th birthday fleeing with his mother and siblings from Viipuri to Helsinki during heavy bombings. She still remembers it clearly almost 80 years afterwards.
The Moscow Duchy has always been a power centralizing and expansionist state.
So my grandmother too. They lived in Finland Karelia ishtmus. So close to an old Russian border (25km) (16miles?). St Petersburg (old Leningrad) 70km (43miles) from there. When i was a kid i always listen fancy stories from old finnish Karelian 😊😊
"We are not Swedes, we do not want to be Russians. So let's be Finns."
-Motto of the Finnish independence movement against Russia
What would that mean? That "Finns" are rather an artificial construct than something naturally existing prior? You cannot "let's be ***" something you already are.
Quite clever! ;-)
And now Ukrainian fascists saying that Russains aren't Slavs but Finns. And sine Finns decided to throw away their freedom, they have to follow narrative. Time to find a new name Finns.
@@morzh1978 Quite reductive reasoning. If everything must exist as it was prior, naturally, we'd have to go back to Pangean borders when most of Earth's land mass (7 continents) was large and almost contiguous.
And we didn't follow that wisdom, pity
As a person that's terrible with geography, I really really appreciate the map visuals. They make these subjects much more approachable for me.
Pretty bad or at least way subpar maps tho
average American
Even I, a Finn who has a good grip on what this corner of the world looks like, appreciated the visuals. Even knowing where everything is, I think it made it a lot easier to understand what everything that's being said really would mean in practice and get a deeper understanding of the situation
heard of globe?
How can you not know Google Maps? UA-cam?
And now as of March 7, 2024, Sweden has officially joined NATO!!!
Same here. Now my mother is 90 and will die soon. She does not want to talk about those days. She says it makes her too sad.
Hurrah!
As a neighbour to Finland and having visited their country multiple times I can concur that they are highly practical and sensible people. They have a bunker under almost every house and they have a lot of tunnels through out their entire country. All their infrastucture, even in the rural areas is generally well maintained. The people themselves are trustworthy and reliable when it comes to business dealings.
Reminds me of district 13 with all the tunnels
@@Eepi Fact: On the internet a fact is made up every second.
I wish I had a bunker under my house…
@@Eepi väestönsuoja on pakollinen tila jokaisessa kerrostalossa mutta siihen se jääkin.
Cringe
In advance of NATO membership, the UK entered a mutual defence pact with Finland and Sweden providing them with a nuclear umbrella.
Didnt an ex general say that we would need our anti missile ship on the Thames 24/7 to stop London being nuked to hell? It's not there atm... 😂
@@AmateurHEROduelist are you delusional? The MAD doctrine means the Russians would never nuke us and we would never nuke them, but we can still threaten them, besides Russias nukes could be shot down by many nato members before it gets to London.
@@dariomladenovski7047 One Russian nuke and Russia is gone.
@@dariomladenovski7047 the point is the UK can nuke back though
@@dariomladenovski7047 one Russian nuke and Russia is gone.
I know that as a finn my opinion is kinda biased, but I just wanted to thank you for mentioning in your video that Finland didn't have any other choise but to join with Germany in order to keep our independece. A lot of people just say we were like nazis and that we sided with the bad guys but they don't see the bigger picture.
That’s true about many countries that joined Germany in WWII, and it‘s quite sad that such a small amount of people care to understand.
I always thought that Hitler trying to push into Soviet Territory and hold it was a terrible decision, which it was, considering how many Germans died to the Russian Winter. But I never knew that it was also probably to force 2 fronts with Finland pushing from their end. Guess he had no choice?
Anyways, Had Japan not bombed Pearl Harbour, bringing the USA into it, Germany and it's allies could have potentially won WW2 albeit without being able to successfully invade the UK. In that timeline, you would have joined the good guys - since history is written by the victors.
People also don't see the bigger picture that the Nazi's rose to power because of the treaty of Versailles from WW1. Everyone involved in that basically created the Nazi party with how much they punished Germany.
The whole "Nazi" thing is kinda idiotic anyway.
A huge majority of people at that time didn't like the Jews. Hitler literally had a gigantic portrait of Henry Ford behind him at his desk at his office. Ford was one of Hitlers idols.
Henry Ford literally wrote books on how terrible Jews are and why we should kill them all - and you'd get a free book for every Ford you bought. Like a brochure for your car. Just instead of explaining how it works, you're told that you should kill Jews and that they are evil.
And Ford is praised like a god by Americans.
Hitler literally praising Americans and their behaviour towards Jews in his book "Mein Kampf" and saying it was his inspiration. And most of the Nazi leadership openly saying that they only became anti-Semitic, because of the Americans and what those said about the Jews. Henry Ford's "The international Jew" series likely being the biggest influence, because it's named so often.
Jews were disliked everywhere in the world at that time.
Hitler basically just did what the others wanted to do - in addition to the war.
@@stevenlang9849 wow, I didn't know that. Do you also know the reason why jews were so universally disliked then? It just seems insane to me that they could go from that to Elite Zionists that control a huge portion of the world.
Well, not Nazis.
The government was filled with warmongeres and the state was very fascistic, with stuff like the Lapua movement's demands being accepted and the left opposition forced completely underground (The social democrats were excluded from this, which makes you wonder how closely they'll align with fascists.), not to mention how many reds we put into concentration camps (offical information of this doesn't exist, documents having gotten either destroyed or 'going missing'. We only know about the camps from officer and soldier testimonies, but also from their and the prisoners' journals).
Don't also forget that we attacked first in the 20s by the tribal wars. 'Unifying our cultural and lingual brothers' my ass.
When the 1939 demands came for an exchange of land, we almost accepted the demands. It was a small clique formed from the national coalition and others that in the end refused the deal, giving us an ultimatum, which was once again refused.
After three months of fighting and in the end conceding to prevent any more damages, we were still at an governmental level in a state of war.
Whoch makes the continuation war thing a bit b*llshitty for me, cause because the country was at a state of war, the army was effectively in control. 'Armeijahallitus' it was called.
This enabled generals of the army, Including Mannerheim, to sign a treaty with Hitler's germany for an invasion of the soviets. Mind you this was done without the consent of the parliment, which after war was declared was forced to go with it.
The fact that our early 20th century history is so whitewashed (double meaning here), and how that whitewashed narrative is even pushed today.
I mean, who cares about Häyhä, or 'hakkaa päälle, pohjan poika'. This isn't the 30s, stop pretending it is.
Thank you for educational information
My grandmother is from Karelia, which today is part of Russia. In the Winter War, her father was an officer in the Finnish army. At the end of the War, all officers had to be given over to the Russian to be trialed in Russia. He fled to Venezuela though, taking my grandmother with him. She learned Spanish and grew up there. She then went back to Finnland. She found my grandfather who is g
German and she died a few years ago in Hannover. She didn't speak a single word of Spanish anymore and she never revisited Karelia again.
Yes there are no happy tales from Karjala anymore. It used to be our industrial hub but now it is rusty forgotten border state with people who have no connection to the land. Population was replaced completely. My former teacher was from there and had to abandon her home. She did not tell us much but even as child I could tell it was very hard topic for her.
You grandfather german?
The part about officers being trialed in Russia is not true. Only 8 FInnish politicians were ever trialed for "Responsibility for the war" or war crimes. That's all.
No Finnish officers were trialed in the USSR nor in Finland. Some were afraid they would, in case the USSR managed to gain power in Finland. Therefore some officers left the country just to be sure.
My grandmother is also from Karjala, but was only a kid during the war. She is also a survivor of bombing of Elisenvaara when Russian airforce bombed and strafed the civilians being evacuated.
Sweden will NEVER abandon finland again.
it was a mistake to not get involved directly back in ww2 to help out officially when the soviets attacked, but i am glad that there was willingness in people to help out anyway, and that sweden helped out finland unofficially.
Finland is our nordic brothers, and you can count on your brothers this time.
The Finns will probably be grateful, but they still hate you for beating them in every major winter sport anyway 😅
Sweden will cease to exist soon anyway- “refugees” now rule the Swedes. Demographics is destiny.
Will you turn your backs to Norway again though?
@@TheCoffeeSquirel In a heart beat! Screw you guys. "Sincerely, Sweden".
It was far from a mistake. We did the best thing we could've done.
Many mentions of how vulnerable the location of Saint Petersburg is, but not the reason for that location: it was intentionally founded on top of a Swedish outpost in 1703. It was a strategic point, a way to move in and assert power over newly conquered areas. Successfully so, going on 320 years now.
Pyotr Velikiy got his his Window on the West.
Huh, I thought St. Petersburg would've been a lot older than that. Would never have guessed that Albany, NY is older than St. Petersburg.
@@john_sensei_ii When a woman gets married and changes her name that that does mean her age begins at that point.
@Finnic Patriot I don't know what you're talking about. Slavs colonised almost as far north as st Petersburg and basically all of western russia(not to the urals) from 500-1000ad and colonisation of the americas only really began in 1500 but not too much happened until later and even then it was slow going all the way to the 1800s before it was fully colonised and even then by non European powers.
@Finnic Patriot If your talking about direct slavic control with a form of slavic leadership that is something different, I was referring to the colonisation by slavic tribes.
So glad I just found out about this channel!
Lore, if you're going to mention Finland's conflict with the Soviet Union during WW2 then it's probably important to note that their "alliance" with Germany was part of one of the greatest uno reverse cards in history by the Finnish President Risto Ryti. Essentially Finland's alliance with Germany had the very specific condition that it would only be upheld for as long as Risto Ryti was President which is precisely why not long after Risto Ryti resigned from the role and allowed his successor to forge a non-aggression pact with Russia. Of course, the end result of this was the Soviets calling for the man to be imprisoned for his "war crimes" while Finland immortalised the guy as a hero.
I can only assume there's a statue of him in Helsinki somewhere with some seriously massive balls.
That "personal guarantee" was only near the end to convince reluctant Hitler to divert weapons and other aid to help stop the summer '44 offensive. After the immediate threat had been thwarted, Ryti resigned.
What a nice distortion of history.
@@abrvalg321 What happened then?
Finland was caught in a vice - PERIOD. However Germany was an old ally of the Finnish elite. NOT Nazi Germany. On a scale of 1-10 I would rank Communism as the greatest scourge this earth has ever seen. Nazi Germany does not even come close to the destruction wrought on man by Marxian Communism. Today, while they do not adhere to Marxist ideology, the globalist use Marxist tactics to control you and brainwash you. The problem with Finland during WWII was that Sweden remained neutral and therefore there was no means by which the West could help them. That is why Churchill was so upset at the debacle in Norway and always desired an attempt ( Operation Jupiter ) to invade Norway and then hopefully compel Finland to switch sides or opt out of the war altogether. The problem was, Jupiter planning became a fiasco because the Soviets would not help. Therefore Jupiter became nothing more than a deception plan. What people do not understand is that the Bolsheviks / Soviets ALWAYS had designs on Finland and only attacked in 1940 because their internal coup failed to materialize. Stalin planned to take Finland the way he occupied the Baltic countries. This by building up their respective Comintern Communist parties and then mounting a coup. Those mounting the coup would then politely ask the assistance of the USSR to intervene. The USSR then NEVER leaves. It did not work, so Stalin attacked. When that did not work out as planned either, he once again bolstered Communists within Finland. So Finland has always, to some extent been a puppet of the USSR. When the USSR fell on its ass Finland remained a , to a large degree, a Communist state. That is why their supreme stupidity is being revealed now. It's pay back time. They are one of the few European countriest to continue to maintain a statue and park devoted to the lying mass murderer and moron Lenin. Again, what came first the chicken or the egg? Well, Communism came first THEN National Socialism. Hitler learned from the mistakes of Lenin and Trotsky and their NEP, and created a Communism of his own. Not a globalist, internationalist ideology but a NATIONAL one that attempted to fix the unfixable. The greatest LIE in history is that the NSDAP was a RIGHT-WING organization. That was a LIE begun by Klara Zetkin's Anti-Fascist organization set up by the Comintern in the 1920s because they were terrified of their somewhat similar competition.
@@benedict6880 Evil Stalin forgave Hitler's puppets. And Hitler's puppets did not understand this, did not appreciate it.
im a dual citizen finnish american done my conscript service in finland... lived all over the world... south east asia, south america north america etc..... i moved back to finland in 2018 and will never leave... SUOMI!!
have fun paying 50% tax like a slave
@@mile_381 slaves dont pay taxes. dumb comment
I know at least a century or so ago Finland had a land access to the Arctic Ocean. But today that land corridor that Finland owned now belongs to Norway, even though Finland never seems to have been fought with or been in any kind of fight with Norway. Finland has fought with its Russian neighbors throughout the 20th century.
@@michaelverbakel7632 The arctic sea corridor was taken by the sovjet union
@@michaelverbakel7632 You might be confused. Where in today's Norway would such corridor have been? I think the corridor you're talking about is now in Russia. Finland lost a notable chunk of land in there to Soviet Union in 1930's or 1940's.
I met a Finnish man in the US several years ago. We had an interesting conversation about the military. All young men are expected to serve in the military. They go for training for up to 5 1/2 months and then go to annual meetings, much like our National Guard and Reserve units in the US.
It's up to a year or 347 days and the shortest time possible is 165 days.
Here in Oz was called 'Nasho'. I refused to go because I ALWAYS choose my own enemies, for my own reasons. I DID volunteer to go to Vietnam (with the intention of deserting and fighting for the Vietcong, who were defending THEIR country), but got a reply from the military which said that anyone stupid enough to volunteer was too stupid to be in their army. Oh well.....
@@dabbbles 😂😂
@@Emannn835 It gets better! My brother, already IN the army for 5 years (for the free uni education on full pay!) also volunteered to go to Vietnam (for the 30% pay rise). They told HIM: 'don't be stupid! We've just spent over $2 mil. educating you! There's NO way we're allowing you ANYwhere the bullets are flying!' (True story.)
Damn, that's interesting. I wonder why the military sucks in Mexico? I've never met anyone (anyone that wasn't a soldier already) that wanted to be a soldier or that was even in military academy. lol
Brilliant, thank you!
A certain bear in the remote Finnish forest who was featured in a UA-cam video can confirm, it is extremely dangerous to mess with the Fins.
When they come at you while muttering “Perkele”, its best to turn around and run.
Haha, I saw that clip too😅
especially with a broom!~
Oh no, did the bear send a Linux pull request that breaks userspace?
as a Canadian, I learned Finland is far from docile, great respect for Finns. great video !
Russia: Don't join NATO! I'll protect you.
Finland, Baltic States: Protect us from what?
Russia: From what I'll do if you join NATO.
Ukraine never joined Nato and Russia¨never touched the baltic states.
@@oletoustrup8572 Russia never touched the Baltic states, because they are already NATO members. Ukraine has applied to join NATO since the invasion. NATO is the best protection from Russian attack.
NATO's goal is to complicate Russia's strategic position. How should Russia react in this case? Naturally, she says “don’t join NATO.” And if these countries had not joined, in reality, Russia would have been peaceful.
It was pretty awesome representing Finland in Nmun comitte. NATO countries started congratulating my partner and I. It was a fantastic experience.
Turkish Parlement approved accepting Finland into NATO hours ago. There were 0 votes against out of nearly 300 cast. Hopefully, Ergodan will soon sign and it will be a done deal.
Yes ❤
Aaaaand it's done. Finland is officially in NATO now. NATO's east expansion successfully prevented xD
@@Blackwing2345635 prevented???? 🤔
@@jamaljaber666 Yeah because that's one of the reasons Russia named for why they invaded Ukraine.
@@Chrome2105 i guess the guy is being sarcastic. He should have said accomplished not prevented.
Here after Turkey's parliament ratified Finland's NATO application 🇫🇮
The true test of NATO will come if Russian or one of their allied nations decides to attack a NATO member country. If NATO fails to respond properly, then NATO will fall apart quickly.
As a Turk, I hope we will one day get rid of the dictators and, aim for reaching at least the levels of democracy as in Finland today; and then we will prosper together as an alliance. But for now, we have a m.f. dictator called Tayyip Erdoğan 🇹🇷 😢 🇫🇮
Fuck yeah!
hell yeah! Suomi perkele!
Yessirrr!
At 6:00 you missed the fact that the soviets also demanded that finland dismantle all defenses in the karelian isthmus which would have given the soviets a free route all the way to helsinki
he is suspiciously Russian friendly , propaganda friendly and enemy of truth
noyp
just like how they took all of Ukraine's nuclear weapons and promised "not to invade"
Russian consulate in ahvenanmaa/åland should be removed immediately.
@@МихаилПопов-х1л what "nope"?
This is an insanely good video, thank you for explaining so completely and comprehensively
Thank you so much! Your geostoric content is peerless on UA-cam.
That's because it is American propaganda... even quoting the Rand Corporation!
@@mandrews1245Propaganda of what? Of telling the history of Finland, how russians invaded and how they gained great relations with the west? .. .
I visited Finland in 2015 for a world gymnastics event and we went to the Suomenlinna military fortress on an island just outside Helsinki. Such fascinating piece of history! We also almost accidentally stayed on the train in Helsinki too long and ended up in St. Petersburg. 😬
Do not translate!!! ତୁମେ ଅଭିଶାପିତ କାରଣ ଯଦି ତୁମେ ଅଭିଶାପ ଭାଙ୍ଗିବ ନାହିଁ ତୁମେ ମରିବ, ଅଭିଶାପକୁ ଭାଙ୍ଗିବାର ଏକମାତ୍ର ଉପାୟ ହେଉଛି ମୋ ଚ୍ୟାନେଲକୁ ସବସ୍କ୍ରାଇବ କରିବା .....
Suomalainen but yep! I adore Finland and am planning to move in my boyfriend who lives there! :>
@@ttvichannel No
The border with Russia has a rail line and a road just inside Russia. Russia keeps nuclear assets in a location served by these. If the Finns see Russia making a move to the facility they will destroy the road and rail line then dig in for a fight.
A memory popped in to my head about one of the small illegal raves at Suomenlinna back in the late 90's. It was a perfect venue with its bunkers and tunnels. Every summer would see increasingly larger parties until they became commercial and monetized in the mid aughts. The first ones were only ith maybe 20-30 people.
When I needed a break, I'd just walk a few minutes and it'd be nice and quiet. There are some beautiful isolated spots in between the walls of the fortifications and the waters edge, like mini beaches. Some of the seemingly unpassable bushes or cliffs leading to them only seemed that way until you pushed through, like purpose built secret passages.
After a splash in the water and a rest inside an abandoned gun emplacement I was ready to go again. There was no hurry to leave in the morning either, I slept at one of the hideouts until I felt like moving.
It's simultaneously a public attraction and a quiet out of the way spot, it's quite unique. Definitely worth checking out.
I think I had a point, but I lost it while editing this for half an hour...
Just FYI: The last war Sweden ever fought was not the Napoleonic wars, but a short war against Norway in 1814 to force Norway to join a union with Sweden
Exactly
I was about to say that too xD
What about Sweden invading Aaland in 1918?
@@johnmcgovern5372 Åland belong to Finland, but everyone talk Swedish. Åland did belong to Sweden til 1809, before Finland got it. Back in 1918 durin WW1, Russia occupied Åland. Hence why first Sweden, and later Germany invaded it.
@@johnmcgovern5372 "Invading", no. The majority of the population wanted to be a part of Sweden(they had a vote with over 95% of the population voting for leaving Finland and joining Sweden), so they asked the Swedes to come over and protect their interests until they became a part of Sweden(They still speak Swedish to this day) Then Sweden and Finland made a deal with the help of the League of Nations. Which is often said to be the only thing League of Nations got done during it's lifespan. The deal was for the island to continue govern itself but still technically be Finnish. It's a very fascinating story.
The Finn's have kicked Russia's ass twice.
Given what a Finnish moose hunter did to the Soviets in a hundred days during the Winter War, I got good odds on the Finns; once again an amazing video, great work
Simo Häyhä
Do not translate!!! ତୁମେ ଅଭିଶାପିତ କାରଣ ଯଦି ତୁମେ ଅଭିଶାପ ଭାଙ୍ଗିବ ନାହିଁ ତୁମେ ମରିବ, ଅଭିଶାପକୁ ଭାଙ୍ଗିବାର ଏକମାତ୍ର ଉପାୟ ହେଉଛି ମୋ ଚ୍ୟାନେଲକୁ ସବସ୍କ୍ରାଇବ କରିବା .....
@@ttvichannel there is a dead popeyes cashier behind where i live
@@crazyjoedavola7493 The white death.
@@ttvichannel Well luckily I wear my sacred ward, the VPN!! Curse me all the way you want! Won't sub to your channel anyways. XD Good luck with your horrible advert campaign. Flagged.
This is one of the best analysis of the situation I've seen in recent weeks. A lot of hard work put into background checks. Thorough analysis of different points of view. I'm impressed.
Finnish radars see deep in Russian territory. Can not comment, how deep. Also: Finnish coast was miked up already early 80's. Also: Finland can, under NATO umbrella, invite US AWACS planes to fly near East border.
The advantage I see is only in the arctic race. From this war we all have observed how effective the nukes, without even using them, are. That renders any threat useless. Case and point: Russia and NATO.
The only way for the world to be safe, is for the US to disappear.
Doesn't it make sense to deploy a 1000 men force as a trigger though? Just 1000 men is enough to deter Russia at least.
Russia: "-Wait a minute...how deep are you able to penetrate us??"
Suomi: "-Deep, tavaritj...very....very...deep...."
The only reason we should invite US planes in Finland would be to shoot them down.
Great video again. Thank you.
Many of the motorways up north in Finland has straight, wide and flat sections, making excellent for landing and take-off for airplanes.
Why would you want to destroy your own relatives? I am 10% Viking, for example.
Do not translate!!! ତୁମେ ଅଭିଶାପିତ କାରଣ ଯଦି ତୁମେ ଅଭିଶାପ ଭାଙ୍ଗିବ ନାହିଁ ତୁମେ ମରିବ, ଅଭିଶାପକୁ ଭାଙ୍ଗିବାର ଏକମାତ୍ର ଉପାୟ ହେଉଛି ମୋ ଚ୍ୟାନେଲକୁ ସବସ୍କ୍ରାଇବ କରିବା .....
This is just one example of how ready Finland is and have plans for if there is a invasion threatening it.
I respect Finland’s policies and how they waited and did not provoke and just wanted to live in peace.
Me too. I think they joined NATO to avoid being invaded by NATO. Militarily they are still neutral and have no intention of getting involved in the war.
you stated it perfectly, its best to leave the Finns alone, they a peaceful people, that is until you mess with them, then you better stand aside, as the proverbial shit will hit the fan, just ask Ole Uncle Joe, he knew better than to tray and take all of Finland after getting kicked in the nutts, not once but twice, he decided taking some land and calling it a win was the best option.
Our leadership has been so weak recently though. We haven't considered Russia an enemy in for a long time. The scars are there of course and there are people who hate russians to the core here, but no smart person has thought of them as an imminent threat. I still think maintaining a strong defensive force is needed, mainly due to the unpredictable nature of Russian leadership. Having said that, there are a lot of russians living in Finland and to an extent, vice versa + Russia was one of our most important trade partners.
Usually when an EU country agrees to something that they suffer from, they require some sort of compensation from the union, which is fair and sensible in my eyes. When we joined the trade embargo, our leadership pretty much said "okay, fine, sounds like a right thing to do." Now we pay for Nato aswell, which we really didn't need and the amount of companies/overall impact on economy from the trade embargo is huge. Gosh I miss the times, when we had strong leaders who thought about our interests first and foremost. Nowadays our leaders seem much more interested in securing their spot in the various EU councils, after their term is done in Finland.
@@jirachie9772 I would say the problem is the globalization and then it becomes who on the far west benefits from a decision whereas someone on the forefront east does not benefit, but is the one paying the price for just like you said the sanctions on Russia is a "punishment" imposed by NATO aka west the globalized political world, but the prize is paid by all. However, the one that have the closest relations and trades with Russia pay the highest price because as you said lots of businesses get interrupted and maybe die. Look at Armenia for example its my country and I feel bad, but the moment Russia got busy with their own Ukranian War, they pulled their forces from Armenia and Azerbaijan simply took over lands and now taking more lands all that because Russia pulled out the defences they were offering to Armenia. There is no perfect world, but I aggree with you our leaders need to put the country's and the people first before the "global" agendas. How can a country think about the global, when their very own people and borders are at threat from mentally brainwashed people and "slaves" that are the soldiers being sent to the front.
@@texasray5237 Flawed logic. Why would NATO invade Finland?
As our President Sauli Niinistö replied some time back, when asked who Russia should blame for Finland's and Sweden's applications to NATO, his response was, "Look in the mirror". I'm an American who's lived in Helsinki since 1995, and I can say without hesitation that it's beyond foolish to mess with the Finns - they're bad-ass to the core. 🙃
Finland says to a mirror: look in the mirror. We are mirroring NATO's movement to our borders since 1991. 15 countries more. "Not an inch more eastward" J.A Baker (U.S. Secretary of State 1989-1992)
@@_Shtosh_ True. Nobody seems to remember that statement. I know it from the very beginning. In THAT year. When there is an expansion, I always think: Do they have a memory disorder? What is it?
More than americans? that invaded Irak and Afganistan and bombed alone Serbia? noooo... That can not be coming from an american... You should hide CIA will consider you a traitor
@@_Shtosh_ That statement was made in the context of German reunification in a verbal pledge not to station any NATO equipment in Eastern Germany, which the U.S. has funnily enough kept to this day. There was no change to NATO’s Open Door policy at all and no formal agreement was ever made that limited their expansion into Central and Eastern Europe. Also noting that pretty much everyone that has joined NATO has done so willingly for very good reason (I.e. former Warsaw Pact and Soviet satellites), so really this is kind of a moot point overall.
@@georgelabe-assimo4365 сcitation: "It is NATO's business to state unequivocally: Whatever happens in the Warsaw Pact, there will be no extension of NATO territory eastward, that is, closer to the borders of the Soviet Union. These security guarantees are significant for the Soviet Union and its behavior. The West must also take into account the realization that the changes in Eastern Europe and the German unification process must not be allowed to affect Soviet security interests. Creating the necessary conditions for this will require a high degree of European statesmanship. Ideas that the part of Germany which today constitutes the GDR should be included in NATO's military structures would block German-German rapprochement. (... )"
German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher's speech in Tutsing on January 31, 1990
In 4:14 the map is wrong. It's showing it post WWII while it should be post WWI
6:00 you forgot to mention Finnish reasoning for rejecting Stalin's "offerings". The fact is that Soviet demand for the new border went straight through the defensive Mannerheim line. Basically the negotiations were theater for the Soviets because they knew Finns would never accept that kind concession, no matter how much your own territory, which was empty woodland, you gave them in return. If Finland had accepted either of the two "offerings" from the Soviets, Mannerheim line would've practically become useless and eventual Soviet invasion would've been even easier and in that alternate timeline Soviets would've actually marched into Helsinki.
It's what Hitler did to Czechoslovakia and what USSR did to Baltic states. They wouldn't end their demands.
And don't forget Austria-Hungary did to Serbia which caused ww1
Sweden=great military industry.
Finland=great and highly motivated fighters
=Unstoppable Duo
hahaha,
Before the Russian occupation the alliance of Finns and Swedes had been sporadic informal tribal alliances to do different raids from early iron age to formally same country from around 1200. Just at the start of the second world war Finland and Sweden tried to form an mutual (defense) union again after 100 or so years of not doing that (because of the occupation). Both nazi Germany and Soviet union threatened to destroy the entire north if that would ever happen again. It tells a lot about how much of an military power an allied north can be if it wants to.
By "formally same country" I assume you mean that Sweden came in with military force and subjugated the Finnic tribes under the Swedish Empire. The Swedes were never too fond of the Finns, who spoke a different language and whom they didn't consider equals in any sense. Finns were essentially colonized by a foreign power for nearly a millennium, and many still harbor some resentment towards Swedes over this (though nothing in comparison to the Russians, who truly terrorized us for centuries).
Lmao this sounds like something a Russian would say about Ukraine. Finland wasn't an "ally" of Sweden, it was in effect a settler colony, with swedes settling Finland for centuries.
@@ObakeOnna You are reading too much on the old 19th century nationalistic history. Yeah, the swedes did read into that too and there was a lot of shit because of it. But modern history pretty much says there was never a subjugation. as you say. How could they even subjugate us? When the Russians could not. Ask your self this question. Don't make your self a victim. The modern history shows more or less that there has been an continuous (sometimes violent, sometimes friendly) communication with the swedes a long before we became swedes. hundreds of years, even thousands. The nation that became Sweden was more likely a long slough of tribal marriages and friendships than some drunken voyage of conquer, that the catholic Church wanted to portray.
Super important military power alliance of gender neutrals and homosexuals
I hope NATO gradually accepts sweden, norway and finland into joining their military alliance, sweden has some powerful artillery called archer truck artillery this war machine can be very useful unit as a guard howitzer battallion addition for the NATO branch squad forces, this will make NATO more powerful against the evil russia itself
Heyhey short question, I'm following your page here and the one on nebula, but I'm trying to cut down my online time severely over the next two years. I was wondering if you offer something like DVDs or other offline options? If not that's okay too just curious
You can download the videos and watch them offline. At least with UA-cam Premium.
Thank you for this history. It always seemed strange to me which side Finland chose in WW2. It makes sense that their choice was "against Russia"
Better dead than red.
@@3M46DN1M it certainly seems that in regards to Finland's position during WW2, they didn't have any particularly good options
Before ww2 baltics tried to make baltic sea union or something like that with poland and finland, but they refused .
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
The US alliance with Russia was strange, to put it lightly. But since we were allied with Britain, and Britain was at war with Germany, and Germany was allied with Japan, who was also an enemy of Russia dating way back.
This is an amazing video, but i just want to point out that Sweden's military is not completely voluntary, as everyone has to fill out a form of how their health is and if the military wants them, they have to do a "GMU", or basic military education. Also, that was not an F/A-18, but a Eurofighter :)
It's not Russia who wants war, it's Putin
Any normal person does not want war
It is sad that the author talks about countries like all the people there think the same way
Like It is some conscious being and not just a lot of people with some bad actors on the top
Like USSR's wars were started by the same people who live today, like all people share the same desire and idea.
It's not true, there are a lot of different people and only some of them start wars. Don't say Russia or Finland or whatever. Say Stalin or Putin or Hitler.
Otherwise you can say that Germany is the same nazi country it was in 1940s and so on.
Do not confront people by calling them different sides, unite them, because we are all Humans and every death is a tragedy and nobody should see other humans as evil enemy. We have our common enemy - Death. And a bunch of mad dictators who are not fixed yet.
Peaceful sky for any of you.
@@elpsykongr00 Yes everyone gets that. (not everyone, but everyone with an iq above 74)
@@elpsykongr00 Hitler never spent a day working in the camps, nor did Stalin by himself alone cause the Great Famine in Ukraine. Blaming every single citizen of Russia now is not just, but only blaming the one at the top is not logical either.
It was completely voluntary between the years of 2010 - 2017 since during that time you didn't need to fill out any form and nobody was required to do GMU. Now that was only changed in 2017 so that everyone basically just had to fill out a form but the amount of people required to serve is very minimal. You can still decline today and I know a friend who did just that which was something you couldn't do in the past, otherwise you'd be spending years in prison.
Not true! GMU is not the case, People who have turned 18 are called for tests to do "militärtjänstgöring". GMU is for old farts that wasn't affected by the new rules
I live just few km away from the Russian border near a border crossing point.... Since spring of this year, there has been interesting increase of air traffic, lot of big ass choppers flying around on same routes, including those French ones with gun attached below. I've ever seen those flown by twos and threes outside of big exercises before and this has become a routine. Gone are the lone border guard choppers, now its twos and threes of air force stuff. Also the local army base has become far more active, I can hear the gunshots from their shooting range. Whole lot more of machinegun fire than before and I'm talking more than just RK's. Just days ago they were also shooting artillery over there, huge loud bangs over and over. I haven't heard mortals for quite a while. All this activity is normal here, but not with this frequency. The local base has a fast response spec ops guys, I bet they're given extra ammunition to burn on the range as there's so much more noise. Never heard this much shooting and seen this kind of air traffic before. Which is great, keep them on their toes.
Teet vihollisen vakoilutoimen niiden puolesta tämmöisillä kommenteilla
Good to know, respect to the Finns, aka The Winter War. Welcome to the NATO club Sir.
sadly the Second Cold War has arrived (it arrived 10 yrs ago, but now at least the Ostriches can no longer claim its not here)
It's the same here in sweden, our millitary has been extremely active these past months.
Wow, Russia should put a nuke then instead of using conventional weapons.
Contribute to climate change, much?
There actually are NATO bases in Norway. Take the base in Stavenger as well the port there as an example.
There’s nato bases in every country that’s why Putin’s mad but too bad it’s us or China
@@JonathanMercure About Jåttanuten? Can't hardly see it.. The big hill in the middle of a flat Jæren landscape. And Bodø and Trondheim and, and, and.. 😁
Hey man,
don't call the missles down on us, we don't want gasp 😵 Russia getting all heated and angry again
Doesn’t matter. Norway won’t allow it to be used in the event of a NATO offensive operation.
@@Ira88881 dude no Europeans will do anything offensive they're all cowards it will be the Americans, the British and probably the polish doing all the work while the rest stay neutral even if article 5 is triggered never trust a European ally.
The term, "Molotov Cocktail," actually originates from the first Soviet-Finnish War of 1939-40.
@Darius Bostic demanding obedience through fear of punishment of eternal suffering is not love
@Darius Bostic Bro I'm Christian and I'm telling you right now, Jesus wasn't as rude as this. Don't push your faith on other people like that.
@Darius Bostic arrr! Can a pirate plunder for the glory of Christ?
@Darius Bostic You really seem to love using God's name in vain
@Darius Bostic Did Jesus get people on his side by annoying people to death?
I'm a 2nd Lieutenant (Vänrikki) of the reserves in the Finnish Defence Force. This is very good content, thank you. Also, thanks to all Nato-member countries who welcomed us into the Alliance. For the first time since the service, I feel like we are finally not alone against the Russians, if they ever attack Finland again. Take care, everyone.
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You fools have no clue that you are being used as pawns.
First LOL on everything you wrote and second LOL for you thinking you are safe from Russia. And congrats entering most genocide alliance ever this planet see, now you can attack and kill everyone who don't want US capitalism in his own country and attack countries who have more resources than US and rest of NATO. And one question for you lieutenant why NATO forces guard the fields of poppy used for the production of heroin in Afghanistan??? And one more thing, how many countries Russia attack in last 40 years and how many civilians killed by Russia and same question is for NATO alliance...
Bravo to the Finns and welcome. I'm a lover of your composer Sibelius. Glad to have you in the Alliance.
Like Ukraine, do you think they had a reason to attack you before you were a part of NATO? Like... for 80 years they haven't attacked you guys right? And now they have more than enough reason to target you with nukes... how does making yourself a legitimate nuclear weapons target make your country safer? You're safer now because if the Russians nuke you... NATO will defend your nuclear wasteland with... NATO nukes. Europe is apparently full of strategic genius. How many World Wars will it take to get that point across...
Russia may have the numbers but Finland has people like Simo Hayha
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As a swede with grandparents from Finland, the decisions for our countries to join NATO is something that's been very debated here. Thank you for bringing it up in detail and explaining so clearly what it could mean for future relations between the countries involved. Great video as always.
@@jacobrivers5728 ok
Is it good thing Finland/Sweden joining nato????
@@keithlittle293 For them, yes. They get all the benefits with none of the commitment.
Another baby country that the US has to take care of.
@@1braincellwhm What a load of shit. Did you even watch the video?
@@mmosnow1281 Video is irrelevant, european nations bring little to nothing to the table, they're all a bunch of useless leeches.
So when they say "join nato", it really means another kid in the day care of the US.
Correction: Murmansk is ice free because of the Gulf stream (oceanic), not the polar jet stream (atmospheric)
Yup. That was one of 2 mistakes in the video I caught.
Yeah I was thinking that it sounded off
I'm sorry but how do you think Gulf stream warms up land? Have you ever thought of that?
There's no mistake, he just used a different level of events.
@@GrandTerr This is about Murmansk's harbor (water) being ice free.
@@DrWatson610 Actually it's a bit tricky. Murmansk is inland not coastal and the river would be frozen without the Polar Stream. Also if we talk about the eventual ocean the ships are going to sail into maybe, I don't have the knowledge, but Murmansk is way out there and maybe the nearby coast's ocean water is warmed by the air masses just as much as by the stream.
I'm now realizing you do the amount of reading for every one of these videos that I had to do for every term paper during my international relations degree. Mad respect. Thank you for the content 🙏
Do not translate!!! ତୁମେ ଅଭିଶାପିତ କାରଣ ଯଦି ତୁମେ ଅଭିଶାପ ଭାଙ୍ଗିବ ନାହିଁ ତୁମେ ମରିବ, ଅଭିଶାପକୁ ଭାଙ୍ଗିବାର ଏକମାତ୍ର ଉପାୟ ହେଉଛି ମୋ ଚ୍ୟାନେଲକୁ ସବସ୍କ୍ରାଇବ କରିବା .....
@Rico Thampaty okay Putin
@@hardeeps5295 💀
The big advantage Finland and Sweden have is a large arsenal of modern equipment. Most of Russia's equipment can only be used to barbecue hot dogs.
Finland is such an amazing country and their people are incredible too
Hard times makes strong people
Every Suomi now pays for Nato weapon, vehicles, maintenance. Well played US. Tramp words "let make them pay for our military corpo"😂
@@TheMarkAvreliy and protections, safety is allways more important than money
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@@Nigga978sped
Germany helping Finland fight off the Soviets is literally the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Finish fascist regime was a friend of Nazi Germany regime by default, without any pre-conditions. Carl Gustaf Mannetheim was a big fan of Hitler. What, nobody told you that?
Except that objectively, Russia isn't the enemy of German people.
@@montoyamontoya579yeah they’ve never been
Other way around obviously.
@Butter Crab 😆
I'm Finnish, I'm glad you covered this topic. I feel somewhat safer with what you said here. I remember being really anxious and depressed when the invasion of ukraine started, as I was in the middle of my military/defense force service.
Finland could take Russia , in a day , without NATO
Hi how are ya doing My Friend 😁, long love from Kazakhstan 🇰🇿.
@@knyghtryder3599 that’s what they said about Ukraine as well and we can all see how that went, Russia is now the laughing stock of the world lol
@@cutepieceofbread3194 so your agreeing with him…
You're finnish. Why would you worry. Your people thrive in warzones. You dont need nato.
“Why Finland joining NATO checkmates Russia”
Is Finland also Bobby Fischer?
Another fellow chess player?
One should also take into account the difficult terrain on the Finnish borders: unlike the flatlands of Ukraine, which are ideal for tanks, Finland is surrounded by thousands of lakes, hills and dense woods. Further up north, it's mostly just wet bogland, without any roads. The southern coast is way too rocky and shallow for a naval invasion (navy was never the Russians' strong suit, either). This natural barrier made it impossible for Russians to reach major town or cities even in the WW2. As for the common threats about nukes, we are far too close to St. Petersburg: the prevailing wind would carry the fallout to Putin's old stomping grounds.
What about air force or missiles? Putin seems to really like this strategy.
@@commenter4898 That's indeed the only threat. But if you want to occupy a country, you need boots on the ground. Even in Ukraine the missile shields can now block the majority of incoming Russian missiles, so there's a limit what they can do. Finland also has missiles of its own that reach all the way to SPb.
@@mv_5878 missile shields? da hell you get that crap? xD
@@russterror3926 Israel, my friend. Israel. Missiles shooting down missiles isn't a new technology anymore.
@@russterror3926 He got it from the propaganda machinery.
As a Russian, I can tell what Finns and their country are beautiful. Clean territory and good legislation, in principle, the same can be said about the Scandinavian countries.
I thank you, with your statement.
Make referendum so we can annex your region.
So you are not afraid or object if Finland joins NATO then?
@@ShiftTLT read what i said again
@@johndoe-vc1we He is obviously struggling with the language. No, we do not object to Finland joining NATO.
Most Russians do not care for anything much at all, except for the well being of their immediate family. We are a very atomized society, that's one of the reasons why propaganda had been so effective - there are literally no informal (or formal ones for that matter) institutions that can offer any semblance of counter balance.
It's a curse and a blessing in the present time. On one hand, it allowed a dictator to rise to power and cleanse any and all semblance of oppsoition or checks on said power, but it also prevents us from transforming into a totalitarian state -- since it requires people to actually unite and be proactive in the interest of some totalitarian ideology, which requires social cohesion.
I.e.: people at large will nod and feign approval, but in reality they don't care at all and won't do shit to either support or fight against the regime.
Sweden actually has a bigger impact than Finland. Whereas Finland creates a really long NATO-Russia border with direct contact, Sweden actually closes the strait of Denmark (note: wrong strait name!). If you look carefully at maps showing exclusive national waters, the strait is entirely controlled by NATO countries. There is no concept of free passage through straits in maritime law. You control it, you do what you want with it. Look at turkey with the Dardanelles, for example. They have signed a convention for international commercial use but have retained the right to close the strait to military ships when it sees fit.
I wouldn't say either makes a bigger impact. Both have different values to add, and they're had to quantitate and compare. No need to turn it into a pissing contest between neighbors :)
@@Tsuchimursu actually, Russia's warm water port access is VERY limited, maybe i forget how cold the baltics are lol but, not to mention the economic activities Russia operates in the baltics.
Sweden closes Russian ships out of the Atlantic, but Finland+Estonia can close St.Petersburg from the Baltic and therefore from central and Western Europe.
It was already under NATO control, Øresund is controlled by Denmark, they can monitor everything moving though it.
I would say the difference is the distance. From Finland you can destroy St.Petersbourgh and deny access to baltic sea overall. From Sweden you can stop movement out of baltic sea.
Real good video.
When I lived in Finland, there was a bunker in my building. Quite impressive, the Finns.
You are easily impressed. America has the largest economy in history and only the president has a bunker. What's your point? It's noise like this that makes me believe voting shouldn't be a right to everyone.
was it 115 years old
Eh... Theres a law. You need to build shelter if building is bigger than 1200squaremeters. So basicly every block of flats have one!
Ah yes. The infamous logic bankrupt bark of older means not so good. Nukes are almost a 100 years old and they can make you wish you had a 2,000 year old bunker. Hey 2023, go comment on someone else's reply and spare me your lack of thinking. Imbecile parents bring imbecile children.
That is perfectly normal in many European houses.
Who else is rewatching this after Finland officially joined NATO?
This video got recommended to me when that happened but I didn't know it existed before then
I am^^ Russia invaded Ukraine because of their gas fields and the port on crimea, but also to keep Nato away from their border.... Provoking even more countries bordering them to join Nato... What a fail. I hope russia loses the war and then gets split up like the soviet union. Most of their country isn't inhabited by russians anyways, they should get their own countries.
Silly Fins mow they're going to be targeted with nukes
@@stephenlennon7369 then article 5 will be activated and the world will go kaboom.
@@stephenlennon7369 due to their proximity to the majority of the Russian nuclear Arsenal I don't think it would matter at all.
Grateful to not only the Finns who gave their lives to protect Finland’s sovereignty during the winter war but to all the Swedes who volunteered to go to their brother country and protect them, both with military who died alongside the Finns, as well as medical personnel and monetary aid. And that Sweden helped evacuate Finnish kids to their own country to keep them safe. We do help each other when in need. Finlands sak är vår.
There was also bunch of Finnish Jewish troops fighting alongside Nazis against Soviet union, that must have been akward.
And now they wrote off that sovereignty by joining the atlanticist run NATO lol
so Finland being allied to German NAZIS in ww2 doesn't bother you? still can't make a connection to why Russia invaded Ukraine, another country that loves Nazis?????
Sweden also denied Britain and France entry through their lands when they wished to come and help Finland and all the Swedes who volunteered did just that, volunteered, as the king of Sweden specifically denied any official governmental aid to Finland and wanted us to accept the harsh terms of surrender. All and all Sweden did the bare minimum for their neighbor who were also fighting to keep Soviets out of Sweden too. Just laying these out here before you pat yourself on the back a bit too much.
If it were not because of the russians there will never be any finland.
I wish you good luck in trying to deny that.
2:30 that horse has seen some things...
The fact, that people underestimate Finland on it's own might be their biggest advantage. Their army might be small on paper, but their reserve is massive. I've heard that entire families are from time to time excersise with military. Also, having small army makes it easy to modernise technologicaly. Their war rediness is on much higher level, than Russian army...
Have to remember that a good army can kill you from the skies. In like two seconds. Don't think any number of physical troops will overcome that.
Russia is like that angsty teenager that blames everybody else but himself. They threaten other countries and then cry when they join NATO. You caused that yourself comrades. 😆
oh boy.......
Respect to people who don't like bullies, sadly I think half of GB would not fight for our country like the brave Ukrainians have, it seems our bottles gone .
Finland also has a relatively young population by European standards and is one of the few with a natural population growth.
Fun fact; at the start of Covid lockdown, it turns out that Sweden (where I live) only had food supplies for approx a week (the government has an agreement with the private sector retail chains to maintain extra stocks of essentials), whereas Finland has massive storage facilities hidden away in the woods holding like three months worth of stock. All of it meticulously managed with proper FIFO procedures to ensure the products were not aged. That was pretty badass! You can shut Finland down for three months and keep everyone well fed and cared for and in Sweden, on day three we've run out of toilet paper and soap! This is of course being re-aligned now and with the added Putin factor, I'm sure prioritized.
btw my mother in law is from Karelen (Karjalen) and lived something like 3 km from the Russian border. When the Soviets invaded they of course left everything behind and took only what they could hurriedly load up on a horse cart. She and a whole lot of small kids were then shipped off as refugees to safety in Sweden.
finland has only army 2 divisions, its isolated not capable of being supplied easily or in any note worthy amounts if russia starts something. russia has been holding out against the full force of nato arms for about a year now. the most interesting thing is that sweden is being blocked isolating finland even more whilst basically turning in to aggressor against its much stronger and bigger neighbor. Now with russias neighbors kazakstan poland serbia ukraine all being thrown in to chaos it is clear that this move isnt finlands own choice. they are part of the plot to create disruption on russias border to pressure russia without actaully creating a strong Scandinavian alliance that posses a threat to the western rulers. after russia and china falls a global world government can be installed as they are the last two world powers holding out, for who knows what purpose that this global hegemony is created. considering the trend of lack of humanity care of life in all these nato actions including the funding of terrorist's and direct attacks on civilian populations food industry causing literal genocides troughout history and the whole 10 million population on the planet thing that comes out the rulers mouths its just a very bad development
I see, in Finland the cold war never ended. Kinda like Switzerland, except they have a direct border with one of their worst historical enemies.
Russia can eliminate finland with ONE ICBM, and honestly I would not blame them if they did.
I do not want the world enslaved to the industrialist
Very cool information, thank you!
Interesting, also how logistics concepts like extensive FIFO is very important in war times!
To clear up some things: NATO cannot force a member country to host nukes, if the country doesn't want it. Finland cannot take them even in theory, because the Finnish law prevents nuclear weapons.
Nukes are crude, dirty and obsolete anyway
All of which can be changed in five seconds with the stroke of a pen.
@@dabbbles But Finland has zero reasons to host nukes. They are also never placed close to the enemy, they can reach their target from further away.
Great law, lets get rid of them all
@@mv_5878 for their goverment to even join russia means they will be a western cocksucking country so they will 100% host nukes no one says no to uncle Sam
I’ve always felt an affinity towards Finland. I find them to be a very admirable people. Smart, too!
This might actually go down as the dumbest political move in the history of Finland. They plan to gain territory from a defeated Russia, they are more likely to gain a nuclear wasteland. Stupid people in power playing Risk with our lives.
Joining NATO and brushing off their potential neutrality to serve globalists in Brussels and DC is smart? If you think Finland has insane taxes now...
Yes, they have a proud History of being part off the MASTER RACE that goes back to their siding with Hitler during World War 2.
4:50 the map has Poland's old borders at the time but modern Finnish ones??
Thanks for making this video. :3
As a long-time viewer, it's nice to see a big channel like yours talking about Finno-Russian relations and the fate of Viipuri.
- Offspring of Viipuri refugees
Also, instead of discussing whether or not we should get rid of conscription, the public discourse is about EXPANDING conscription to be gender neutral, as opposed to men only.
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