Do Collagen Supplements Work for Skin Aging?
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- I assumed that collagen proteins would get completely broken down in the digestive tract, but I was wrong. Do collagen supplements work?
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Save you some time, the short answer is yes, @ 3:47 "On average there were beneficial effects for skin hydration, elasticity and roughness." He also concludes @ 4:38 "the dermatological community" (whatever that is) remains divided on its routine use "at this time" & suggests @ 4:50 you can also see "positive effects on skin collagen" by not smoking, using sunscreen, and eating a healthy diet.
You did hop over the most important timestamps:
4:02 4:38 and 4:45
Thank you so much. At this hour, I really didn't want to listen to the whole vid... 💕
Great information and stick to the basics, eat a healthy diet, don't smoke, exercise, and drink water
The problem is publics general knowledge of a healthy diet. Many subscribe to the outdated notion of balanced plate model. Many also do not have an exact idea what harm the unhealthy things do to their bodies, so they might think that occasional smoke, drink or chocolate mudcake isnt that bad.
And get good sleep, too.
Pretty simple, just have to do it.
..and love everyone, if you can and your enemies
Imagine taking health advice from a bald, sickly Hebrew who looks ten years older than he is.
I'm so impressed by this unbiased and very informed review! There are so many "influencers" out there who are clueless about the fact that collagen peptides can be absorbed intact and likely have biological effects. We definitely need more quality research, and I wish there were a synthetic/vegan alternative available.
Would not eating more precursors to collagen production help?
@@julieowens7095 I don't think so. The collagen peptides appear to have unique biologic effects compared to just the individual amino acids, but more studies are needed.
I'm not impressed. Collagen is from animals, not plants. Although I'm vegan and would never take collagen, I was hoping Dr. Greger would occassionally provide some studies showing health benefits from some animal foods. I would never eat them, but that would really show he's not a highly biased ideologue.
I question how much I can trust Dr. Greger. I can't even trust his protein recommendation of 0.8 g/kg/day because I find it impossible to get it that low eating his Daily Dozen and being completely plant-based. If you get 40 minutes of vigorous exercise per day (90 min mod) according to his Daily Dozen, my protein would have to be less than 9% of my total calories. I would have to practically be a fruitarian to get it that low and I would likely suffer from bloating. I like my beans and grains and beans are typically around 25% protein. Dr. Greger can't even get this right.
I'm not impressed. Collagen is from animals, not plants. Although I'm vegan and would never take collagen, I was hoping Dr. Greger would occassionally provide some studies showing health benefits from some animal foods. I would never eat them, but that would really show he's not a highly biased ideologue.
You can get your essential amino acids from a vegan EAA supplement powder such as Perfect Amino or Optimal Amino if you wanted to.
I've definitely used the "eating brains" analogy before when people talk about eating collagen
Red light therapy devices can increase collagen in the skin
If you do a follow-up? I'm more interested in how or if high quality collagen supplements affect joint health??
Different types of collagen supplements & ingredients diverge from skin vs joint health.
Tia
Do a water video: distill vs RO vs filter
definitely distilled.. RO is close, but distilled water is normally RO'd before it is distilled .. that should be a clue, also, minerals in water are inorganic rock dust, not absorbable compounds .. unless you're a plant
I'd love to hear something about vegan collagen, I take it but I have no idea if it does anything. It uses a trademarked blend called 'VECOLLAL' which is made from: Glycine, L-Proline, L-Alanine, Gotu Kola Extract, L-Aspartic Acid, L-Glutamic Acid, L-Arginine, the lost goes on for ages...
Personally I don't see how Vegan collagen supplement would be any different really. Just eat whole plant foods, a proper variety, and like he said be careful with sun exposure, stay hydrated, get plenty of sleep, foods high in vitamin c helps synthesize collagen.
I love that you are a trekkie!
So many vegans are! I interview vegans all over the country and I've had a few reference Star Trek. You should check out my interview at Pythagoras restaurant 🙂 there's also some vegan twins I interviewed that reference Star Trek and a few others...
And what about vegan glycine supplementation?
This is my personal opinion, your age graceful and it important to take care of your body and also it has to do with your state of mine, the happier you are, taking lots of sunshine, natural healthy diet, and loving yourself and having a great lover who respect and cherish you, lots of good loving, great environment, great support systems. NO STRESS, ONLY HAPPINESS. ❤
Sunshine is aging to the skin. Wear sunscreen and hats if you want to not look old.
I love this channel!
Finally, a lucid take on collagen supplementation! Thank you!
Great video!
Thanks doc, this is great!
good, saved me some money right there
Funny thing is I got sick and thinking that collegen would help me get better faster bought a $60 collegen supplement. I wish I saw this before I got that. I put it into some nutty pudding and started sneeezing a lot and had a scratchy throat so I am thinking I may be allergic.
@@__-tz6xxJust another scam.
What about the possibilities of picking up some type of contaminants or pathogens from taking collagen supplements?🧐
This, collagen supplements are often made with leftovers full or PCBs, dioxins heavy metals etc
I don’t know about aging skin that remains to be seen but they can do all the studies they want the bottom line is real life. Been taking vegan organic collagen supplement pills from “garden of life” and noticed a very considerable difference in hair and nails and skin kind of glows a bit more not in an oily but moisturized way. There’s no doubt about it I’m seeing it with my own eyes
There is no such thing as vegan collagen, but there is such a thing as certain nutrients supporting our body's ability to make collagen, which is what these "vegan collagen" supplements actually are. So, it's no doubt or wonder you're having benefits- your body is making its own collagen :)
@@bigskytinybird yes it’s collagen builder (I believe biotin)
@@bigskytinybird "Instead of being sourced from animals, collagen can now be made by using genetically modified yeast and bacteria."
OK so I'm looking forward to Part 2 of this.
Thank you so much, Dr. Greger! Finally unbiased, science-based facts! I’m sure millions like me keep taking it “just in case”. What about the patented UC-ii collagen specifically for joints and tendons made from un-denatured chicken sternum? My doctor actually told me about it, and I’ve been hesitant since I’m a vegan, plus it has a kidney damage warning on it, yikes!
Wow, super interesting about tryptophan and memory.
Happy that Dr adress his mistakes about big part of protein digestion. Any creatine consummer knows that. I'll be happy if Dr adress jello for joints, and creatine for overall athletic and cognitive performance and heath
Serotonin helps with mood
That's helpful
I have slept 4 hours every night for 2 years now, and I cry weekly
How's your sleep hygiene man?
@@rsanghi24 pretty bad, but now I'm thinking it really could do with my mental health meds
@@Tomorrowstroops I discovered that taking a protein powder supplement (vegan organic) before bedtime keeps nighttime anxiety away (~15-20g). Don't know why, it just does. Maybe it's really the tryptophan in the protein.
@@lsauve yes, this is also true for adhd people, because protein helps regulate the production of neurotransmitters, such as serotonin and dopamine, which are important for sleep and mood regulation.
yes, def a great tip
@@lsauve Which one do you use?
What about joint and bone health and other benefits?
If you want healthy bones then do weight bearing exercises and put force, strain, and pressure through your skeleton.
In regards to supplementation, traditionally you’d want glucosamine and chondroitin not collagen
Impact helps so impact exercises coupled with a great diet and vitamin D. Obvious things like calcium but even beta-carotene. I have an interview with registered dietitian Jack Norris where we talk about bone density you might enjoy.
@@shaneashby5890 My daughter and her boyfriend are orthopaedic doctors, and they said that this only works until you're in your mid 30s.
Hi Doctor Gregor, like your videos, please could you add a signature sign-off phrase at the end. It always seems like you 'just stopped your sentence'. Something like, 'Remember, Always Put It To The Test' would be nice.
How about taurine ? Not needed also?
Thank you
I tried collagen in my coffee before i went on a plant based diet. Took a capsule tryptophan supplement (tried 2 different manufacturers) with it. Three months of $ down the drain with no visible change.
The example is funny, because eating eyes, brains, and muscle does indeed help with vision, cognition, and muscle. lol. So that might not be the best lead up counter example loool.
Thanks for mentioning collagen. What about glycine and hyaluronic acid supplementation?
Humans took up physiologically relevant amounts of the peptides found in collagen or collagen etc. througout their evolutionary history (eating insects, mussels, fish and other animals from nose to tail). This may also be the reason for creatine's and the other “carni nutriens” impact. It seems important to study those nutrients more, when they are excluded from diets.
I found the part about sideeffects of collagen dupplementation very interesting too, and would be happy about a deeper dive into this matter.
Collagen supplements do help you shed excess money in your bank account.
Just take Deca, it doubles bodies collagen production and it costs less than the supplements.
What is Deca, I have not been able to find it in thousands! Is it available everywhere
@@PlantbasedSilvi Deca is a testosterone steroid.
@PlantbasedSilvi It's an anabolic steroid.
Good luck...
@@PlantbasedSilvi deca durabolin. 300mg a week.
@@BigLadGreen I have ask the AI and they say is not for Collagen. But here in Europa you must go to the doctor to get this and is is only for spezial health.
Do we really want animal proteins floating around our bloodstream?
Yes
No
@@michaelt8388 Read the comments of various youtube diet videos, the reported cure rate of physical and mental problems for carnivores far exceeds any other
Why animal? If you talk bout creatine though my answer tend to be : yes!
Many educated individuals are unaware of the possibility that single amino acids, di- and tri-peptides in collagen have an effect. They instead jump to conclusions and seem very eager to educate the masses about the digestion of protein into amino acids. Finally another opportunity to show off their limitless intelligence to the little people.
You left out studies showing a 20% increase in skin thickness and reduction in wrinkles after several months. It's quite possible that the di- and tri-peptides after digestion are being taken up. I do research in biotech. Missing tryptophan? Does it matter? It's part of a balanced diet.
Many educated individuals are unaware of the possibility that individual amino acids, di- and tri-peptides in collagen have an effect. They instead jump to conclusions and seem very eager to educate the masses about the digestion of protein into amino acids. Finally another opportunity to show off their limitless intelligence to the little people.
It would have been cool to talk about foods such as fruits, berries, tomatoes, carrots, leafy greens, peppers, beans, etc and especially foods high in vitamin c are a cofactor for synthesizing collagen. But maybe I'll do that in another episode...
Yes please do. Vegan or not, collagen always seemed like a total waste of money to me. It's mostly glycine and proline, with glutamine coming in 3rd place at 10%.
If someone wants a "collagen" supplement, they could just add extra glycine and proline powder to a meal or smoothie at a small fraction of the cost.
@@terryjackson9395 fruits and veggies! Or I like to really delineate; legumes, greens, greens, fruits, veggies, mushrooms, nuts, seeds, herbs and spices and a variety of each And it will all magically just happen
@@terryjackson9395 you must not have actually watched the video. Collagen is more than just a source of glycine/proline. It contains peptides which are absorbed intact and have biological effects.
I've seen tribal people who are in the sun all day long, having almost mono diets because of poverty. No products, no collagen or any biohacks. Still, perfect skin complexion and looking younger than their age. Actually, looking healthier and younger than most people that live in abundance. Never underestimate the human body.
Most things people do here in the first world for health and skin are not needed at all, but is just marketing and placebo effects. I would say that exercise, high quality sleep and a nutrient rich diet combined with some fasting would do more for your skin than all the skin products combined.
Tribal people receive comparabily high amounts of collagen and glycine through their diets; e.g. they may eat wild game from nose to tail and insects etc.
@@purikurix I agree.The simple "peasant" diets are usually very healthy. Besides, they are highly physical active too.
None of them have perfect skin or are in the sun literally all day. Many of them die younger also so you’re looking at mostly young people and the older ones with better survival genes.
Many are thicker skin dark people born with much more collagen in their skin
They have darker skin and dont live a very long life
These are very old studies. I'm wondering of there's anything more recent and not industry-funded 🤔 Also, many people are being lead to believe that marine collagen is better for improving skin collagen than bovine sources (believing the convincing marketing claims), yet they fail to consider that marine sources contain higher levels of microplastics.
I had heard that also about marine being better so I thought I would try it. Been awhile taking the marine collagen, I haven't noticed any change in skin, hair or nails. Disappointed, I think sometimes some things work on some people and not on others.
@@melindafunk4115 I think it's too difficult to tell if it's the marine collagen changing people's skin, since there are too many factors affecting skin - which differ among individuals.
Where are the sources cited?
You usually have them but I don't see them here.
Check the website.
Click the link that leads to the website. You will find them there.
The only substances I’m comfortable putting on my face are essential oils.
One drink of gelatin impairs cognitive functioning, times how many people are eating / drinking that stuff 😳
Sorry that's not what it said.. Video says "Randomizing people to even a single meal of a gelatin-based protein drink can lead to memory impairments within hours, due to “acute tryptophan depletion” (presumably due to a drop in the brain of serotonin, which is made from tryptophan, and doesn’t just regulate mood, but learning and memory as well)." To me it shortened down to what I said but that was not exactly true... still bad enough though. Really hoping all those supposedly good for people drinks, think hospitals and old folks homes, aren't doing this. The milk in there was bad enough
They are impaired by low tryptophan/serotonin. If you eat a regular diet with tryptophan in it along with the gelatin, it's not going to impair your brain.
The only real health concern with gelatin is added sugar, like Jell-o.
Or in other words, there are benefits to collagen supplements, but your vegan benefactors won't let you explicitly say so. Got it.
Why doesn't this guy's tone match what he's saying? The end result seems to be collagen does nothing, but his tone and phrasing implies it does. Very annoying.
Waist of money
God is Science!!
So, collagen can potentially help with skin and joints... but people are buying expensive supplements instead of $0.25 packets of Jello?
Good or not, it's still woo-woo if people are selling gelatin pills and charging $50/bottle and claiming it's special.
Nice try but there are studies that show that hydrolyzed collagen peptides do in fact work. You’ve lumped them all together. Gelatin is not a collagen peptide. Marine Collagen is an inferior source. There are good videos here on youtube where board certified dermatologists do a closer and more thorough look at hydrolyzed collagen peptides. You seem to be taking a swipe here and since you’re a vegan it’s obvious why.
Why don’t you take some time and conduct a more thorough unbiased investigation. Easy to find the dermatologists here on youtube examining this subject more objectively than you just have. Just be honest. Remove your biases. You can start here: ua-cam.com/video/TAUVIa9Y9mM/v-deo.htmlsi=wDwrvdSGuvTnHTU7
Lol one study will say yes and another will say no..
So basically it may help... But it doesn't fit with the good Dr's vegan outlook...
No, it’s unclear if the studies are legit and therefore it may not help. He said nothing about veganism.
'may help' is nothing that can be considered strong evidence, especially if you factor in the price of collagen supplements. There's so much stuff that has weak evidence going for itself that you really should pick the cherries among the findings (like getting in your fibres or eat nuts because there's a lot of supporting literature from trustable sources, it's cheap and you'll need to eat anyways so why not include fibre and nuts).
There are more studies out there for other uses than what was reviewed in this video. Bone density is one of them. I recommend checking PubMed or using a decent AI search engine if you want to see for yourself.
The doctor is pretty clear about his being vegan.
It definitely informs his podcasts.. All I'm saying is follow the evidence. In this case doctor says evidence is not clear.. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt..
My personal experience with collagen:
My wife had terribly stiff joints and whenever she got up to walk, she would have to wait a couple of minutes to be able to walk somewhat normally. She started taking collagen daily and all the symptoms went away. Placebo? Well if placebo can be 100% cure, I'll take that. I understand that this is anecdotal and all, but for my wife, taking collagen daily is a no-brainer.
And believe me, I am very skeptical by nature and I was skeptical when she started.
I understand the doctor did not address the issue of joints in this podcast.
There are other published studies and other uses than what was covered in this video, increased bone density from collagen supplentation for instance. I wish there were a synthetic/vegan alternative available.
Hmm, ethical vegan finds way to cast doubt on the benefit of eating animal based food. No conflict of interest here. Move along
Hmm, online nobody pundit finds way to project their biases without reading any sources. No ethics found here. Go do one!
@@rassm3229 - I have checked the sources in the past. He lost my trust long ago. I'm all for minimizing animal suffering, improving animal welfare and being good stewards of the environment. But I think making arguments without deception is the path forward
Claiming "bias!" isn't an argument.
In the context of nutrition science, “conflict of interest” means the producers of the food being studied literally paid you to scrounge up positive conclusions about it. So: drink milk!