Are Seventh-day Adventists true Christians or part of the cults?
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2009
- This clip is from our series "Interview with Dr. Walter Martin on Cults".
This clip answers the question: What about Ellen G. White, one of the leaders of the Seventh-day Adventists, was she guilty of plagiarism in her writings? Did she utter false prophecies? Are the Seventh-day Adventists part of the cults? What makes the difference?
We are not under Law, but under Grace. Keeping a holy day, whether it be Saturday or Sunday is anathema to God. "..let no man judge you in meat, or drink, or of a holy day, or of the Sabbath day..". It is law, or it is grace. You cannot mix the two. We live today in the dispensation of Grace. God's law program was in Ages Past. God's program today is Grace without the works of the law.
@broadaorb.... Are you saying a person must keep the Sabbath to be saved?.. If so, where is that in the Bible?
If not for the commandments I would not know what sin is,
The law is a schoolmaster, but once you have faith your no longer under the schoolmaster.
@TheSukahina Thank you for watching the video. I'm not sure what you're asking. -JAS Staff
I really miss Doctor Martin. I used to listen to him on my car radio on the way home from work. Learned a great deal!
Every SDA should read the following:
"Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D. M. Canright, 1914 for a thorough biblical rebuttal of Adventist teachings and insight to EGW background history.
I also highly recommend folk read The Four Major Cults: Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, Seventh-day Adventism by Anthony A. Hoekema
Yes they are! In fact, it is the only Christian denomination that upholds the truth of the bible, compare to other so called Christians.
Oh be quit!! I have been an SDA for 25 years and I know for a fact it is the same le
vel as Jehovas Witness
mattjestic1 Does your comment means that you are still an SDA?
God bless.
Lol ok bro tell me what I know and don't know, go read your fundamental beliefs and go read where it says your prophet is the continuation and authoritative truth. If you don't understand that my friend,than it is you who can't read..so shut your mouth and go learn your bible
Forgive me for my rude comment I left earlier...just got out of an argument with a loved one...was a bit heated up
Lol we all do
And one more thing, I came out of the Christian fundamental church. Basically, I was baptist in my background. Let me tell you, as one who believes in Christ and the Advent movement, I have had a much richer, more abundant life than I ever had before. BY the way - Seventh day = Sabbath, Advent means we believe in Christs return. We are not "SDA". We are Seventh Day Adventists!
SDA and Seventh Day Adventists 6 of one, half a dozen of another.
I didn't get any response from anyone showing me that Ellen White was a false prophet and she goes against the scripture. The teachings are based on the Bible not on her books. In fact SHE'S saying that her writing is not above the scriptures. Any mature adult with half a brain can read her books and scrutinise next to the bible, if it's against scriptures than don't take in consideration!
@Mekelsior is it really bringing someone to jesus if you change the gospel?
Amen, amen! May God richly bless your ministry. One down and 17 million to go. John 5:24 Most assuredly I say unto you, He that hears my word and believes on him who sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death into life.
2Cor.5:17-21 and Rom.5
a whole generation of youth just picked up and left that church, and i don't blame them. Jesus is my sabbath as well as my commandments.
@rottyman2005 Your words are such a blessing, especially at a time when SDA'S are being attacked, left, right & centre....THANK YOU. May God Almighty continue to bless your walk with him!
From a fellow adventist.
@cmammlj what does Gal 1: 8-9 have to do with this it just talks about what they did in asia thats from my Bible can you tell me why u sent me this verse
The Bible says that when He comes He will reward us (Revelation 22:12) "according as his work shall be." But we aren't saved by those works, we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ.
On one occasion, when in New York City, I was in the night season called upon to behold buildings rising story after story toward heaven. These buildings were warranted to be fireproof, and they were erected to glorify their owners and builders.... {LDE 113.1}
The scene that next passed before me was an alarm of fire. Men looked at the lofty and supposedly fireproof buildings and said: “They are perfectly safe.” But these buildings were consumed as if made of pitch.
@broadaorb.... Sorry but where is "Sabbath keeping" mentioned in that you of Rev 12:17 that you quoted?
Desmond Ford was right about the doctrine of the sanctuary and the doctrine of 1844 not being supported using the Historicist method of interpretation. However the Seventh day Adventist church does not use that same method of interpretation this argument is invalid. It would be like saying to an Evangelical christian that the Antichrist is not a man who will rule for 7 years in the future because, according to the Preterist method of interpretation, the Antichrist was the Greek king Antiochus Epiphanes. Because evangelical Christians teach that the Antichrist wasn't Antiochus Epiphanes, but rather a future individual, then all evangelicals are wrong and should be considered a cult. This argument is invalid because most evangelical denominations use futurism as their method of interpretation and not Preterism. The same applies to Seventh day Adventists. You can not accuse them based on this reasoning or you end up caught in your own snare.
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It was a standard adornment used in that time period for family plots. Go into any old graveyard and you will find lots of them. It was just a custom of that time.
The interviewee is WOEFULLY incorrect. For instance his Statement about Desmond Ford. Yes,DF was let go of his position at the General Conference, however, the interviewee states that he is not Adventist anymore. This is patently FALSE. He is still a member, and he still keeps the Sabbath. So, how does that help his argument? The differences between the GC and DF were doctrinal teachings having nothing to do with the foundational tenets of Adventism - keep The Commandments and Faith in Jesus.
Look at the word fulfilled in Matthew. 1:22,23; 2:15,17,23; 3:15; 4:14-16; 8:17; 12:17-21; 3:14,15; 21:4,5; 26:53,54,56; 27:9,10
John 19:28-30 Jesus, knowing that all things were accomplished, that the scriptures might be fulfilled...It Is Finished (6th day. Gen.2:1)
Luke 18:31 all things shall be accomplished
Luke 24:27,44,45 that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law and prophets
Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
what other people she got it from can you explain
what day of atonement in rev.1:3? what are you talking about?
We need more pioneers like this to expose false religions
Dear jkw, I agree with u on Psalms 6.5 and Eccs 9.10. It means that traditional christian beliefs that while the body dies the soul lives on as believed by most christian churches. Only SDA church says when u die u don't know anyting anymore. Your soul does not live in pugatory (Between heaven or hell) as believed by almost all other churches.
When was this video recorded? these guys sound quite old and the video is not the best quality. Just wondering (Age doesnt disqualify you from being a solid christian, it just makes it harder to understand for us young folk)
@ElijahReturns7
Why did the High priest only enter behind the veil once a year? What did it signify?
Luke 23:56
And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
He want to know if the SDA say she's infallible but completely ignores the fact that the pope does claims that he's infallible..
Actually Walter Martin is an enemy of Roman Catholicism aswell...every cult like Romand and adventism.
EGW said, "In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning." - {ST, March 3, 1890 par. 3}
She went onto say; "We can overcome. Yes; fully, entirely. Jesus died to make a way of escape for us, that we might overcome every evil temper, every sin, every temptation ... " Testimonies, Vol. 1, p. 144.
"To be redeemed means to cease from sin." Review & Herald, September 25,1900.
If you claim they are taken out of context, then put them into context for me.I look forward to it:)
Okay then answer me this:
In the Bible, Jesus himself described in graphic detail the reality of eternal torment in Hell where the fire is never quenched and the worm does not die.
Now contrary to the Bible, Ellen White teaches the unbiblical doctrine of soul-sleep, which claims that there is no such place as Hell.
Well...one of them's got to be wrong. So answer me this: WHO WAS WRONG? JESUS CHRIST?? OR ELLEN WHITE???
The other person who was saying she was plagiarizing was w former secretary who spent time in a mental hospital and later recanted what she said.
So please, tell me who she plagiarized regarding the vision of NYC? These books were long in print and no one had really taken notice of this vision before and when we read it, we were shocked, but not really, because we already knew she was inspired. She herself was fallible, but the Holy Spirit is infallible.
I said that when John got around to listed God's commands which he mentions in this epistles & Revelation, he did so in 1 John 3:23 when he wrote" And this is His command; to believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and to love one another as He commanded". So that is TWO! Loving our neighbor as we love ourselves is the one I can't seem to keep. Especially neighbors who are rude and jerks. I work with a couple like that. Do you think ANYBODY is keeping God's commandments good enough to count?
They don't observe it according to the instructions in the bible. Not working your normal job on saturday, or choosing to go to church doesn't really mean you are keeping the sabbath.
Pilgrims stay on the path Don't Stray off by listening to others it only leads to death. Will never go wrong by listening to Jesus and following him
@CThompson... I've already mentioned "repentance" SEVERAL times in my comments to you and in the scriptures I've posted.
Good night.
God Bless.
brother, WE DO NOT TEACH that only SDA members will be saved. please do not think that adventist keep the sabbath to be saved. rather think that we keep the sabbath for we are saved through the grace of Jesus Christ through our faith in Him and because we were saved, we follow Him.
also, brother, please do not think that adventists do not come to Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. in fact, we always need Jesus every time for guidance. also without Him our sins will never be forgiven.
@VAIO294... brother may i ask you, what is the difference between a "Jewish Christian" and a "Gentile Christian"? Are they the same "Christians" that believed and have faith in Christ, or are they a different group of christians? because you always imply that Jewish and Gentile christians have differences especially in sabbath keeping. just a thought, does God has different standards when it comes to His children? does he favor jews over gentiles? i believe no.
The IJ was the 5th excuse for the sda's sanctuary doctrine after the great disappointment
Barnhouse wrote: The [sanctuary] doctrine is, to me, the most colossal, psychological, face-saving phenomenon in religious history. ... We personally do not believe that there is even a suspicion of a verse in Scripture to sustain such a peculiar position, and we further believe that any effort to establish it is stale, flat, and unprofitable. ... [It is] unimportant and almost naive
Thread "16-percent do not"...as this controversial doctrine now called "Investigative Judgement" has remained to be a constant source of division within SDA churches. In Australia alone almost half of their pastors left SDA churches around the time of the Desmond Ford debacle. The original construct strongly supported by EGW's circle of supporters,remains a key element surrounding the glue of confusions. A historical review indicates EGW's original views have been "cleaned up" ---
IndigoPriest-- I repectively disagree since I don't understand your definition of SDA. Walter Martin had the same problem, The "General Conference of the SDA" or it's headquaters (office complex) is the authoritive power or hierarchy of traditional SDA. Martin discovered, not all professing "SDA" believe the same doctrines, individual members may differ in their beliefs. One survey I saw indicates 85-percent follow "General Conference" doctrine on "Investigative Judgement"--16-percent do not
@elijahreturns7
why did he only enter once a year? What is the reason the bible gives for it?
Paul said "as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord...to be away from the body and at home with the Lord."(2 Cor 5:6-8) Of course our bodies are in the grave, they shall be raised and united with us again at the ressurection. Paul also said that to die was gain, why? Because it meant to " to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far".(Phil 1:21-23) Yes the FINAL Judgement is at the End, yet there is a Judgement reserved upons ones death.(Hebrews 9:27)
I am not talking cheap grace!
We have a part to play, not striving to have faith, but looking after the faithful one. Faith is Gods gift to all that hear the gospel, if they don't reject it! So salvation becomes a matter of grace. By grace you are saved through faith, not of our selves, it is a gift of God! Free Gift! Were sin abounds grace much more abounds. Religion is grace, ethics is gratitude.
You don't have to be perfect to be saved, but you have to be saved to be good.
The Bible is God’s voice speaking to us, just as surely as if we could hear it with our ears. If we realized this, with what awe we would open God’s Word and with what earnestness we would search its precepts. The reading and contemplation of the Scriptures would be regarded as an audience with the Infinite One. 107 {CSA 69.5}
The point is this, I to the law die to the law, until you die to the law and live to Christ as a method of salvation you are lost.
@VAIO294 Luke 4:16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Even Jesus has the custom of going to the synagogue on sabbath. And i know that you will agree with me that Christ is the best example on how we can become a better christian. We Adventists only follows His example in keeping the sabbath.
I know nobody who keeps Sunday. I know people who go to church on Sunday but they go to work afterwards etc. The Apostle John wrote about God's commands for the Christian & only listed two: Believe in Jesus Christ & love your neighbor as yourself. Paul wrote not to judge each other on the Sabbath. I just don't see the SDA position in the New Testament. The New Testament never stresses Sabbath observance for the church. We don't get that until we get to Ellen White's books.
Many adventist don't even understand the nature of the true gospel.
Acts 16:30-31 Sirs what must I do to be saved? Did Paul and Silas say anything about faith + works, or that you must keep the law or the sabbath or even about sanctification being the work of a lifetime?..NO they said Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
Rom.10:8-10 this is the word of faith which we preach: confess Christ and believe and you will be saved! Salvation is so simple.
Jesus does right through me, it's a desire and delight.
Are you claiming I am lost because I reject EGW and reject the SDA CULT?
Can a Christian be saved through CHRIST ALONE if they refuse to become a member of the SDA CULT and if they reject EGW?
1 Corinthians 5:12-13
12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."
we are allowed to judge those who are inside the church and people who claim to be Christians.
let's say a person is in sin, but we apparently are not allowed to judge,you would let the Christian brother or sister go in sin? do you not care about your sibling in Christ? tell them rebuke them.
Just because you keep the seventh day sabbath does not mean your entering God's rest ?
>"... she claimed God gave her revelations which we now know God not give her ..."
The eyewitnesses would heartily disagree:
J. N. Loughborough
I will state some facts relative to the visions. The first time I saw Mrs.
E. G. White (formerly Miss Harmon) was in October, 1852. On that day I saw her
in a vision that lasted over one hour. Since that time I have had the privilege
of seeing her in vision about fifty times. I have been present when physicians
have examined her while in this state, and I esteem it a pleasure to bear
testimony to what I have seen and know. I trust a narration of the facts in the
case may not be carelessly cast aside for the random suppositions of those who
have never seen her in this condition.
In passing into vision she gives three enrapturing shouts of "Glory!"
which echo and re-echo, the second, and especially the third, fainter, but more
thrilling than the first, the voice resembling that of one quite a distance from
you, and just going out of hearing. For about four or five seconds she seems to
drop down like a person in a swoon, or one having lost his strength; she then
seems to be instantly filled with superhuman strength, sometimes rising at once
to her feet and walking about the room. There are frequent movements of the
hands and arms, pointing to the right or left as her head turns. All these
movements are made in a most graceful manner. In whatever position the hand or
arm may be placed, it is impossible for anyone to move it. Her eyes are always
open, but she does not wink; her head is raised, and she is looking upward, not
with a vacant stare, but with a pleasant expression, only differing from the
normal in that she appears to be looking intently at some distant object. She
does not breathe, yet her pulse beats regularly. Her countenance is pleasant,
and the color of her face as florid as in her natural state.
Her condition as to breathing, loss of strength, and being made strong as
the angel of God touches her, all agree perfectly with the description given by
the prophet Daniel of his own experience in vision when he says: "Therefore
I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in
me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no
strength." "For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my
lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is
there breath left in me. Then there came again and touched me one like the
appearance of a man, and he strengthened me, and said, O man greatly beloved,
fear not: peace be unto thee; be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken
unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my Lord speak; for thou hast
strengthened me.
This the 1st one found at www.whiteestate.org/issues/eyewitns.html
6 literal days, counted from evening to morning.
Gen.1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen.2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
i know a lot of SDA's and some of them have a true relationship with Christ. but it is limited to the teachings of EGW. and they have fear and insecurity in their relationship with God from it. once they come out of the church they can have a full knowledge of the Gospel of Christ and life more abundant. until then they must wear the veil of Mosses when they read the Bible.
Were you re-baptized into adventism? did you sign a contract that you agree with the 28 fundamental beliefs? Did you learn a new Gospel? please tell me this other Gospel that Fundamental Christians don't know.
there are 28 fundamental beliefs. how many can i disagree with and still be called an Adventist?
God will judge Ellen White and not man, so as me. I do not worship E.G.White or Pope or anyone on earth. Professor E.G.White was a writer, a human writer. If her writings do not go against the Bible I would rather burn them but I understand the Bible clearly after reading some of the E.G.W writings. Now, you tell me which writer does better on biblical matters than E.G.W. Is there is any. I never come across any prolific writer and by our modern standard, she could be a professor in that field. After all, I believe in God, not any human.
Ken Ail amen!
Pls check the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of SDA and let me know if there is a teaching that is NOT Bible-based. There is NO single EGW teaching in the 28 Fundamental Beliefs. She is NOT above the Bible and not ranking equal to Jesus. During her lifetime she wrote more than 5,000 periodical articles and over 40 books. As of 2015 more than 100 White titles are available in English, including compilations from her 100,000 pages of manuscript. Her writings are translated to 140 languages.
"Circumcision is nothing , and uncircumcision is nothing , but keeping the Commandments of God is what matters" 1 Corinthians 7:19 says Paul the Apostle , in the New Testament !!!!!!!
Practical example.
Police officer (the Law) Mister, don't murder your neighbour
Man (Christian) Officer, don't worry, I don't even want to harm him, I love him.
Police officer (the Law): Great! Then you don't need me, do you? :)
Man (Christian); No officer, thanks to God's grace! :)
Hebrews 9:3
And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
Mark 15:38
And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
@Chattown.... It's very obvious that CThompsom doesn't understand God's salvation that's by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ... I pray she gets saved one day.
God bless.
@iiiEMOTIONiii That's a good discussion to get involved.
In Mark16 and 1Cor14, the Bible lists some gifts: Speaking in tongues, Miracles, prophecy, etc..."
The problem with the SDAs is that they believe Ellen is the last prophet while this gift should be a continuous gift until today. Why SDA don't believe in tongues and new prophets? As Islam claims Muhammad is the last prophet, SDA do the same. May be, SDAs do not promote spiritual gifts for their members, but Ellen's gift.
Dear Ones,
Ellen White stated that all Christians should go to the Word of God first. She said she is a lesser light promoting the pure word of God, the greater light. Read the books The Great Controversy and Early Writings. Access to them can be found at the ellenwhiteestate period organization.
Rom.3:14,15 Do Gentiles by nature keep the 7th day? Having the law written in their hearts. Compare that to Heb.8:6-13 or Jer. 313:31-34 NOT according to the covenant made at Sanai
Ex.31:12-18 How could the sabbath possibly be the sign of their covenant if everyone was and is already expected to keep it?
All should have a living faith,-a faith which works by love, and purifies the soul. Men and women are ready to do anything to indulge self, but how little are they willing to do for Jesus, and for their fellow men who are perishing for the want of the truth!... {CS 51.2}
What about the "Warning" in Revelations 22:17-18 Referring to the adding to or taking away from the Bible? Furthermore, Paul says there are no new prophecies; Christ said that a prophet should be right in the prophecys altogether. The most I can say about E.G. White is perhaps she wrote commentaries; but adding to scripture? I'd be very careful with that one, it looks very cultish
Dear Kay. White wrote mostly Pastoral letters. She did some commentary. But never replaced scripture.
Without real bible knowledge to disprove that the Ten Commandments should be kept including the Sabbath, the issue of the Archangel Michael was Jesus or the firstborn of all creation or Jesus assuming angelic form before taking human form (Colossians 1:15), the investigative judgment, the goat released into the wilderness representing Satan, the issue of avoiding the unclean animals mentioned in Leviticus 11 to take better care of our health, etc., cannot be tackled in any real logical or intelligent theological way of thinking. It would be like people who do not know how to add, rest, divide or multiply trying to disprove mathematical concepts that could only be understood through calculus or algebra.
The sad part of the story is that through Steps to Christ and the Desired of the Ages millions of individuals have been able to accept the Lord Jesus as their personal savior guiding them to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28. On the other hand, people criticizing EGW as a false prophet are being used by God’s enemy to block the path of millions of non-believers to accept Jesus Christ and to have a closer spiritual relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus. We need to make sure that those that criticize EGW without a clear and authoritative biblical doctrine proving her to be a false prophet do not follow under the same description made by Jesus against the Pharisees when He said in Matthew 23:13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in."
J HOW DID THE LAW COVENANT BECOME "OBSOLETE"?
However, the Law covenant became in a sense "obsolete" when God announced by means of the prophet Jeremiah that there would be a new covenant. (Jer. 31:31-34; Heb. 8:13) In 33 C.E. the Law covenant was canceled on the basis of Christ's death on the torture stake (Col. 2:14), the new covenant replacing it.---Heb. 7:12; 9:15; Ac. 2:1-4.
Which John is why Seventh day Adventist follow the New Covenant.
1. The law is not done away with it is established. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
2. The law does not save. Its job is to define sin. Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Read Romans 6
3. Love leads us to follow the law. Paul list’s directly six of the Ten Commandments.
Romans 13:8,9 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)
So does Jesus. Matthew 19:17 -19 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
4. In the book of Hebrews the New Covenant states the laws are to be written into our hearts not done away with. The New Testament directly quotes from the Old Testament Jeremiah 31.
Hebrews 8:8,10 For finding fault with the saith Behold the days com saith the Lord which I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days saith the Lord I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts: and I will be to their GOD AND THEY SHALL BE TO ME A PEOPLE.
2Corithians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
5. Of the other four all will admit that it is a sin to have other gods, bow down and worship idols and to take the name of GOD in vain. Protestant Ministers have stated the Ten Commandments are for Christians. dedication.www3.50megs.com/greatmen.html Great Preachers on the Ten Commandments.
John Calvin taught extensively on the Ten Commandments In this way it will be made more clear, that the worship which God originally prescribed is still in force,… 10commandments.biz/biz/john_calvin_and_ten_commandments.phtml
John Calvin: Here I think it will not be out of place to introduce the Ten Commandments of the law with a short explanation of them. Thus, the point I have touched upon will also be made clearer: that the public worship that God once prescribed is still in force.
www.monergism.com/explanation-moral-law-ten-commandments-john-calvin
Samuel Williams The Ten commandments {Law covenant] was replaced by a New covenant....Heb. 7:12; 8:13; 9:15. Get out of false religion Samuel. (Rev. 18:4) Must be of the same faith as Christ Jesus to live forever. Visit jw.org.
read hebrews 4: 1-10 Deuteronomy 13:1-6 Matthew 7:3-5 Deuteronomy 29:19-20 Matthew 5:17-20 Matthew 5:21-7:26 Matthew 6:14, Luke 6:37 and since the last verse says to forgive others i forgive you for calling my faith a cult. Now please read all of these and comment again. and my final question is what denomination are you my brother? And may Jesus Christ be with you
please do not twist verses out of context.Paul the Apostle judged the false preachers.
1Timothy 1:18-20
18 This charge I entrust to you, Timothy, my child, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 19 holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith, 20 among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme
SDA CULT members talk with a forked tongue which contradicts themselves over and over. One minute SDA CULT members admit that they have not perfectly stopped sinning, but then when you ask them, "DO you admit you continue to sin and continue being a sinner and continue breaking God's law and 10 Commandments?", they run and hide, insult you, and desperately try to change topics and they cannot bring themselves to admit that they break God's Law because they believe they are lost if they do so!
Can you believe a man accusing someone else of falsehood and misleading when he himself is obviously trying to fool you into thinking he is not wearing a toupe?
Being from an Adventist background, I'm well aware of the Adventist position on the Sabbath & how IMPORTANT Sabbath keeping is for the remnant & end time Christians. But I'm at a loss to understand WHY the New Testament never brings it out with great clarity so it was left to Ellen White to do it. The NT is the Bible & EGW is NOT! Also with such a secular/anti-religion agenda in America now & a weak Catholic Church, I can't see how Sunday law could get passed by Democrats, atheists, liberals etc
That verse is about the SDA church? What IS your understanding of the gospel? In the 1957 book "Seventh-Day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine" it says salvation is by grace alone though faith alone apart from works & keeping the law & the SDA's agree w/ all the major protestant denominations. And good works & obedience to the moral law is the FRUIT of one that HAS been saved by grace alone. I know that many "traditional" Adventists didn't like that book but that's what it said.
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Numbers 19:2
This is the ordinance of the law which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:
The law of ordinances, i.e., sacrifices was nailed to the cross, that's why the veil was torn at Christ's death.
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The reason why the "lower echelon", aka the lay people, of Seventh Day Adventism did not buy into the heresy he was introducing in the church among our leadership is because we put our leaders to the test of scripture. Scripture says," cursed is the man that maketh flesh his arm and turn his heart away from the Lord." Back in the 50's, walter margin was pushing to destroy the books of the pioneers, and he succeeded in much, that disagreed with the theology he was attempting to introduce. This is nothing more than a duplicate of that Roman Catholic stratagem of old.
+Pat 12 as I said, Romish policy and the spirit of antichrist.
+Pat 12 the traditions and accusations of man mean little to me, it's your salvation you neglect
+Pat 12 this is a false testimony, where's your proof? I hope you know the difference between proof and a accusation
Its hard to imagine a more cultic doctrine than the investigative judgement.
Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel; (investigative judgement) which is not another, but there be some that trouble you and pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we ve preached unto you, let her be accursed.
Rom.10:8-10 the word of faith which we preach:
@MyBountykilla we dont supress this verse you just have to go deeper
I've seen lots of "quotes" allegedly from EGW. They were either completely bogus, or had material added to them, or material taken out--in one case the "quote" stretched over 60 pages!
He says she god the idea she s god s voice but when youbprophesy islam 150 years in advamce and 9 11 and san francisco earthquake and 3000 prophecies and bible says ttue church keeos sabbath and has true prophet
For taking matrrial who says god did not tell her to do it?
Well I don't know about you but the Bible says in Revelation 12:17 that Satan was angry at the woman(church) that obey all God's commands and who have the message Jesus taught. The Adventists obey all God's commands and proclaim that Jesus is their saviour . Also in Revelation 12:14 it says that the woman flew to the place prepared for her after the 1260 days which ended in 1798. How many churches have been made after then.
So sad,my heart hurts for anyone who is listening to any teachings that go against scripture,that deny Jesus is God,and worship a man,pastor,pope.the gospel is simple,yet so many stubbornly stand by heresys,man ruled organizations,worship of angels,or teachings of health,wealth,and we are little gods doctrines,that Jesus was created or an angel,or just a good man or prophet.i totally get the saying narrow is the gate.i hate seeing the fighting,the divisions,the condeemnation among us.from anger over pre trib,mid trib,post,to calvanist,to worshipping mary,the sabbath day,on and on.i learned the truth of the gospel and Gods character.how?by faithfully studying context of each book,each scripture,what was going on in each chapter,who the author is talking about,what time period,all this in the manual God left for us.i asked the Holy Spirit to guide me in truth and for me to accept it,if i was confused i would pray for God to lead me to a true teacher that could help me.i pray all followers of Christ humbly do the same
Before some people comment they should read the same holy bible which encourages to read line upon line and precept upon precept here a little there a little we have to read to understand. Yes i am a PROUD SDA and nowhere in the bible was the sabbath abolished. Like everything else in life people may not agree with all of the teachings of the church but at the end of the day we keep the commandments of christ and we r looking forward for his second coming hence we r SDAs.
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Limited paperback edition, 46th print, April 1992, page 460, the author says Adventists have little Scriptural justification for their Sabbatarianism. I wonder if Martin, in his 20 years of researching cults, asked any Jews for their opinion. Since that flavor of GOD worship is not deemed a cult, that opinion is not important. The definition of cult status, Martin claims, is partly due to Female worship. Catholic Mary worship is not included because Martin does not list the Church Universal as a cult. The Cube of Saturn, or Islam, in its roots, goes to domestic helpers cleaning the grounds of a certain goddess. NO mention of that in the four pages condemning that flavor.
Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
I think Darby was a Calvanist but I could be wrong. Actually, when it comes to labels I call myself a free thinker. A T Jones (you recall he was one of the 1888 messengers) wrote a book called Individualuity in Religion. Its a brilliant book and shows he was a free thinker. You cannot practice Christianity by selling your soul to organised religion. He later became a Baptist I understand
So, how about you? Where do you put yourself today now that you, like me, are no longer a SDA?
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
1John 3:22-24; 4:21 And this is His commandment: love and faith
John 13:34,35 love one another
14:14 + 15:10,12,17 Keep My commandments even as I have kept My Fathers's
Mt 7:12 do unto others 22:36-40
Rom 13:8-10 for he tha loves another has fulfilled the law, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law
Gal.5:14,15 + 6:2 For all the law is fulfilled with love
1Cor.9:19-22 undthe law to Christ
Mt: love your enemies, turn the other cheek, forgive, eat my flesh, drink my blood, come unto me +go to
Some 1 said (IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN MARK & LUKE MUST HAVE PLAGIARIZED)
Absolutely Fascinating!
Problem is 2 take what they had read in a book then plagiarize what they have read as vision from God
EW said many great things, she was not right about everything. but her writings lead many to God. The problem with most sda's is the fact they hold a superstitious view of EW, that she herself said not to do
How do u test a profit, when anything in ?, they go back 2 EW 2 say this is the meaning
Here is a women, condemned of adultery, Jesus said, neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more, how can He say that? Because soon He will be flogged and by His stripes her wounds would be healed. Soon He would be condemned so she could be justified. Soon He would be striped so she could be clothed. What a savoir!
@CThompson.... We understand the Covenants very were well.
The problem is that SDA's don't understand that GOD plainly says 4th Commandment about the Sabbath was given to **THE JEWS**, aka, the **CHILDREN OF ISRAEL**,, not to Gentile Christians.
>>Exodus 31:16 ~ “Therefore the **CHILDREN OF ISRAEL** (THE JEWS) shall keep the Sabbath.”
>>Exodus 31:17 ~ “The Sabbath is a sign between Me (GOD), and the **CHILDREN OF ISRAEL** (THE JEWS)."
Brother, i do not know what you heard but i think you are misled about the church. we are saved through the GRACE of Jesus through FAITH. brother you cannot call yourself "faithful" if you continue on sinning. that is why we aknowledge our need for Jesus for us to become faithful in him and that we can be like him. because of our faith we can call Him our savior and that if we have sinned and ask for forgiveness we will be forgiven. the texts are right and we have nothing against that.
how can you tell me we believe highly of her when we rarely speak of her. The only time I heard her name in a service was in a revaltion seminar. You dny know the cult defintion and you can worship Him on any day you want. But the BIBLE says to go to church on SATURDAY and that means NO WORK NO SCHOOL AND ONLY GODLY RELATED THINGS. And every sunday church points fingures at adventist just b/c our founder wrote books.and name a "false doctrine" going to church on Sunday is a false dotrine to
The fire engines could do nothing to stay the destruction. The firemen were unable to operate the engines.-Testimonies for the Church 9:12, 13 (1909). {LDE 113.2}
Dr, Martin Brilliant! John Ankerberg Brilliant!
Both Martin and Ankerberg are idiots and are Satanic followers
What reasons would you give for your accusation that they are satanic followers?
Or this week Pastor Frank Page stood down for sexual immorality????? and the list goes on too many to mention!!!!!!
Does that make them satanic followers?
They are good apologetics but having integrity issues.
@cmammlj Cult defintion
1.a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
2.Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
Well if you evr in your life go to an SDA church for service it has nothing to do with extremist or sacred symbols so it is not a cult. You just made false acusation against your neighbor.