TA violated their own procedures as well, since there were only 5 cars with functioning brakes. There are supposed to be TWO cars with functioning brakes for every car without functioning brakes. Also, the TSS on the scene was to be supervising the move up front, not operating the bad order train.
You are partially correct. The procedure was proper as our equipment are 5 car sets. So, if you have a problem with a car in the first set and have to operate from the 6th car, you must cut out the brakes on all five cars. I agree with you on the fact that the TSS should have been up front flagging and not in the 6th car operating. The fact still remains. If you lose positive communication during an “Other than head end move”, you must stop the train.
The MTA needs to launch a new campaign targeted towards teens similar to the “Ride Inside, Stay Alive” campaign but advising them not to -fuck- around with the emergency brakes.
The campaign doesn’t work. It just encourages/ teaches teens to do it. Subway surfing has been a thing since the *1950s*. Run an emergency break campaign and enjoy more break pulling.
I agree something should be done about the constant pulling of the EBV, however, I doubt an announcement in the stations/on the trains would stop these kids.
As an employee here in Chicago, pushing defective trains isn't unusual. Along with radios, we have buzzer signals, hand and flashlight signals to alert the pusher and the flagger
Problem is, in NYC, when you sectionalize a train, as was done here, you're connected iron to iron only. There's no buzzer communication, so there's radio only. IIRC, in Chicago, the trains have only electric brakes and no air.
When that derailment happened we had another one a week later on the F train between W 8 St and Neptune Ave, it was a slow speed derailment and no one was injured.
Was a C/R. @pbatommy has it right about the five car string. Who's operating is irrelevant. 96st. Tower(or whatever super tower runs that interlocking) is in trouble as they should never allowed the light train to even enter the station. A red home ball would have affected the in-station approach signals, possibly tripping the sixth car before the first can leave the station. I do believe that the regs say not to allow a light train unless it can clear the station. Other problem: If I remember, on older equipment, a cut cord meant nothing. Open the cab door, reach up, and pull the metal valve the cord is connected back to the closed position. My friend works at PATH, used to work with me at NYCTA, and we came to the same conclusion with your great report. I was a TWU rep in the day, and I can see myself defending the Tower Operator.
This demonstrates how none of these incidents happen in isolation, and they all are the result of multiple things going wrong at the same time. From some idiot pulling the emergency cords and cutting them off, to the subsequent rerouting of other 1 trains, to the cut out brakes not stopping the train when it passed the red signal, to the breakdown in communication between the flagger and the operator, all of these things had to go wrong for the incident to occur.
The tss was right in operating the train and controlling the speed. The moment he did not hear the flagger, he SHOULD HAVE STOPPED THE TRAIN. Imade this move endless times as a motorman and Tss in the 30years I worked there. Old motorman, Tss
I wanna understand why the one train derailed because at the same time no other train derailed as I watched the video of the JTrain derailing the train ding J train railing solve a J train the mod the train did not derailed the train. Hit the wall of the train after the train after the entering conductor motor man seen a stop seen a red, sign of a train ride pro so it hit the brakes. That’s all I know, but I want to hear this video.
Unnecessary and impractical. The nearest yard with a diesel is too far away. The “other than head end” move is very safe and effective when done correctly.
RIGHT HERE THEY NEED TO PUT N.Y.P.D. POLICE TRANSIT 🚇🚇🚇 DISTRICT COPS 👮♀️ 👮♂️ 🚔 INSIDE THE SUBWAY TRAIN 🚇🚇🚇 STATION CAB 🚇 CARS NOT AT THE TURNSTYLES WHERE YOU SCAN & $$$ PAY 2.90 CENTS WITH YOUR OMNY SCANNER CARD PASS.
So the flagman instructed a train to pass a red signal. The first statement from the drivers’s union was “management” caused this. But it sounds like the flagman was the original driver.
@@XZavierdoesStuff2 agreed. Comments like that one are ridiculous. Anyways, this was a very good and informative video. Straight to the point and I’m happy I know what actually happened.
@@XZavierdoesStuff2 That's WebSoak, a guy who commonly frequents Mystic's Discord server which I frequent often too, and I can say from experience that he can be mischievous sometimes.
TA violated their own procedures as well, since there were only 5 cars with functioning brakes. There are supposed to be TWO cars with functioning brakes for every car without functioning brakes. Also, the TSS on the scene was to be supervising the move up front, not operating the bad order train.
Why they cutting brakes for front 5 cars? Like figure out which brakes and car then operate from the second car
@@williamerazo3921 The fleet was modified into 5 car units. All the operating controls were removed from the other cabs.
Didn't he say that the brakes were disabled by cut cables ? @@williamerazo3921
You are partially correct. The procedure was proper as our equipment are 5 car sets. So, if you have a problem with a car in the first set and have to operate from the 6th car, you must cut out the brakes on all five cars.
I agree with you on the fact that the TSS should have been up front flagging and not in the 6th car operating. The fact still remains. If you lose positive communication during an “Other than head end move”, you must stop the train.
@@williamerazo3921Our trains are 5 car sets. Unable to operate from the second car.
The MTA needs to launch a new campaign targeted towards teens similar to the “Ride Inside, Stay Alive” campaign but advising them not to -fuck- around with the emergency brakes.
RISA is so annoying like I don't need to be reminded every four minutes by people who try so hard to be relatable to me
The campaign doesn’t work. It just encourages/ teaches teens to do it. Subway surfing has been a thing since the *1950s*. Run an emergency break campaign and enjoy more break pulling.
I agree something should be done about the constant pulling of the EBV, however, I doubt an announcement in the stations/on the trains would stop these kids.
Why interfere with the Darwin Award process?
@@MysticTransitall I can say is the subway surfing thing something must be done. Since December 2022, we have seen 6 deaths
As an employee here in Chicago, pushing defective trains isn't unusual. Along with radios, we have buzzer signals, hand and flashlight signals to alert the pusher and the flagger
Problem is, in NYC, when you sectionalize a train, as was done here, you're connected iron to iron only. There's no buzzer communication, so there's radio only. IIRC, in Chicago, the trains have only electric brakes and no air.
Whoa! Went to Chicago once, rode the Blue line to Wrigley. Didn't get nosey enough to check a cab. You say their equipment doesn't use air brakes?
Now we need a vid on that f train derailment
An incident like this occurred in 1970 at Roosevelt Av on the Queens Bl Line.
Thank you for posting this I for information. I’ve been looking forward for you to talk about this
0:38 Haven’t heard that in a while!
What’s also crasy is that the conductor could’ve reversed back to south ferry to get repairs or something like switch on the 3 to Lavonia or something
When that derailment happened we had another one a week later on the F train between W 8 St and Neptune Ave, it was a slow speed derailment and no one was injured.
We've been waiting for this video 😌
Do you think that supervisor will get fired ?
Yes
If I were him, I wouldn’t make any orders for new uniform shirts.
Was a C/R. @pbatommy has it right about the five car string. Who's operating is irrelevant. 96st. Tower(or whatever super tower runs that interlocking) is in trouble as they should never allowed the light train to even enter the station. A red home ball would have affected the in-station approach signals, possibly tripping the sixth car before the first can leave the station. I do believe that the regs say not to allow a light train unless it can clear the station. Other problem: If I remember, on older equipment, a cut cord meant nothing. Open the cab door, reach up, and pull the metal valve the cord is connected back to the closed position. My friend works at PATH, used to work with me at NYCTA, and we came to the same conclusion with your great report. I was a TWU rep in the day, and I can see myself defending the Tower Operator.
Did any other Train Operators' out there notice that there was a call on displayed on the Home Signal leaving the station on the north end.
This demonstrates how none of these incidents happen in isolation, and they all are the result of multiple things going wrong at the same time. From some idiot pulling the emergency cords and cutting them off, to the subsequent rerouting of other 1 trains, to the cut out brakes not stopping the train when it passed the red signal, to the breakdown in communication between the flagger and the operator, all of these things had to go wrong for the incident to occur.
Yo nice video man
Thanks
The tss was right in operating the train and controlling the speed. The moment he did not hear the flagger, he
SHOULD HAVE STOPPED THE TRAIN. Imade this move endless times as a motorman and Tss in the 30years I worked there.
Old motorman, Tss
Oh and can you do west 8 St on the F next?
I work there and even we arent told what the real cause was.
@@eddiee3269 the real cause was track failure
You should make a video about the Santo Domingo metroYou should make a video about the Santo Domingo metro
F train derailment video please
This really needs to stop. It's beyond ridiculous that we got a train in our subway system derailed. Put a end to this foolishness.
At least Our carriages don't look like aluminium tins.
Oh boo hoo, nobody calls them carriages anyways
I wanna understand why the one train derailed because at the same time no other train derailed as I watched the video of the JTrain derailing the train ding J train railing solve a J train the mod the train did not derailed the train. Hit the wall of the train after the train after the entering conductor motor man seen a stop seen a red, sign of a train ride pro so it hit the brakes. That’s all I know, but I want to hear this video.
Why didn't the idiots call for a diesel powered shunt motor to come from the yard to hook up to the train ? Aarre Peltomaa
Unnecessary and impractical. The nearest yard with a diesel is too far away. The “other than head end” move is very safe and effective when done correctly.
RIGHT HERE THEY NEED TO PUT N.Y.P.D. POLICE TRANSIT 🚇🚇🚇 DISTRICT COPS 👮♀️ 👮♂️ 🚔 INSIDE THE SUBWAY TRAIN 🚇🚇🚇 STATION CAB 🚇 CARS NOT AT THE TURNSTYLES WHERE YOU SCAN & $$$ PAY 2.90 CENTS WITH YOUR OMNY SCANNER CARD PASS.
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So the flagman instructed a train to pass a red signal. The first statement from the drivers’s union was “management” caused this.
But it sounds like the flagman was the original driver.
Wow I'm the only one
That’s kinda messed up why would someone do that
911 views.. is that a curse or something from the future
9/11 attacks…
@@TailsMilesFoxx rip to the 3k people
@@Thatgamingdiary Yea
FIRST
Oh hello there, second.
Bro this is a video about a derailment where people were injured, nobody cares that you were the first to comment
@@XZavierdoesStuff2 agreed. Comments like that one are ridiculous.
Anyways, this was a very good and informative video. Straight to the point and I’m happy I know what actually happened.
@@XZavierdoesStuff2 Fr, This is 2024 and people still doing this, like seriously, here's a reward for being "first" to comment 😂
@@XZavierdoesStuff2 That's WebSoak, a guy who commonly frequents Mystic's Discord server which I frequent often too, and I can say from experience that he can be mischievous sometimes.
In other words, this was a act of sabotage