V8 Supercars Flashback - Ambrose and Luff Balaclava Scandal (Bathurst 05)
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Here in the USA I was watching this race live on some Telstra stream that was 100% on-boards. When the crew asked Marcos if he was wearing his balaclava, he put his gloved hand to his face to "check" for his balaclava before responding he thought so.
I don't care who it is, you have to wear 'em and you have to wear 'em properly.
These commentators were so preoccupied with the balaclava that a car with its hood/bonnet completely obscuring a windshield escaped comment for a good 30 seconds plus.
That happens all the time. Even now they always seem to be focusing on the wrong car or the wrong corner or filming slomo heli shots or a fucking bird flying...it pisses me off sometimes as I watch for the action and commentary on that action and I get geese in a field....
There was a edit in the video, they likely had already mentioned it before the edit.
Because holden.. I mean V8 supercars can't have a ford win that easy
LOL I don't think Ingall had one on either that's why they did a driver change
Marcos - this is a joke it’s the biggest race of the year!
Everyone - if it was the biggest race of the year I’d be wearing a balaclava 🤷♂️
Brad Williams You sad man .
Brad Williams there’s probably a good 10 seconds of video with Marcos staring up pit road with his neck fully exposed. The official’s would have seen that live and acted on it.
Brad Williams If he didn’t break the rules in the first place he would not be penalised, piss off with the anti-ford conspiracy bull shit
I bet half the field wasn't wearing one.
@@NxDoyle Lol, that's some smelly bait. You fuckwit.LMAO.
Brad Williams You sad man.
@Brad Williams yeh its always the holden fuckwits that windge
@@NxDoyle in that series at the time only two of the rounds were under the FIA and required them. they had in previous years overlooked it. after the stink created by this incident, they made the balaclavas mandatory at all races. this also meant then end of open face helmets in the series.
@Aussie Cockatoo Guess you didn't watch the race & haven't seen any other footage from the race coz yeah, everyone else had em on except marcus & paul
Watch when Luff gets out of the car, can clearly see skin, and no balaclava.
I know
Lets wear a full body suit but let my head burn.
more that likely 70% of the field was not wearing balaclavas !
None of them were leading the race though.
@@sidknee4975 And?
Hard to believe how unprofessional v8 supercars is. If this happened in F1 drivers would get race bans, no questions asked.
Leclerc and Kvyat have both driven laps during races this season with their seatbelts undone, and the FIA took no action whatsoever. Hard to believe how unprofessional F1 is, amirite?
My nephew thought it was inconvenient to wear a mouth guard while playing rugby league till he busted his lip and almost lost his front teeth.
He used to tuck it in his sock...I guess he was protecting his shin.
Safety regs are there for a reason
He blaintly lied and mislead the officials. And then didnt get a second drive through for his nonconforming to the rules. He's lucky he didnt get fined ontop for his bs
I bet there were less than 10 drivers on that track wearing one. I’m on his side.
@@firedell1031 . The officials ensure they all do it as its an international event. Play by the rules or suffer the consequences. Marcus is lucky the race coordinator didnt penalize the team another drive through penalty
FIREDELL10 just because some break the rules mean it should be legal, if you break the rules you’re open to be penalised
@@robertlawrence2176
I watch a few races in this Aussie stuff.. that Ambrose seems to have a chip/ entitlement on his shoulder…, ge seems to put winning above everything else.. including knock others off the track..?
Nothing will ever be more satisfying than Ambrose coming in, dominating for five years, upsetting every single Holden driver, team and fans and leaving when they could only resort to complaining and whinging like the spoilt children they are.
"dominating for 5 years"
he only won the champ twice in those 5 years, and he didn't win bathurst once. he hardly dominated.
Watching this, I miss the "H" pattern gearbox...
I miss it too and the flames out the exhaust
Losing the H pattern was the start of Supercars getting boring.
@@udpsnake5159 I certainly don't miss annoying Lee Diffey commentry.
He lied, and broke the rules, simple as that
Mob01971
Lots of people weren’t wearing them
Alan Smithee
It isn’t a defence, it’s saying that more them Ambrose and Luff weren’t wearing them
@@blitzwithspartan6175 Irrelevant
100%
I heard he bought a house in Balaclava, Melbourne.
There's a Balaclava in South Australia too
@@MartintheTinman *Balaklava
There was a gentleman's agreement back in those days. If someone didn't wear a balaclava. No one cared. Well done did.
The whole regulations of V8 SC has always been a scam in favor of the the sponsors with the deepest pockets.
Its a fucking balaclava.....
Brad Williams You sad man.
it'S in the rules vs it'S unpopular XD XD
The problem is whether the whole field was wearing one at the time and wasn't just Ambrose and Luff that didn't cause if the were the only ones not wearing one then the penalty was deserved. But yeah such a small thing really ended up costing Ambrose his first Bathurst win they had really in the bag.
It's obvious that he isn't wearing one.
Rumour has it that he didn't wear a balaclava trying to save weight to keep up with skaife.
Hahahaah. If Ambrose is "dirty" then Skaife is plain "arse stain"
@Aaron imlach ambros only won 28 races and two championships compared to skaifes 90 race wins and 5 touring car championships. I don’t think ambros is 100x a better driver ay
@@fullnoyz7670 Ambrose only did 5 season while Skaife did 20
@@fullnoyz7670that pirtek ford was MONSTROUSLY quicker than HRTs cars… and when you weigh it all up in ratios. Skaife had been racing for 20years while Marcos was 4-5 years…
Funny how a lot of them ducked into their pit bunker's when this come up..cheer's Holedung narks.
I believe he changed helmet brands from Bell to a Stand 21 for that year. He def wore a balaclava under his previous lid - perhaps the newer helmet was a more snug fit? Regardless, it was a rule for the event and he was fortunate not to be black-flagged post the balaclava stop. Not that it makes a difference hanging off a fence at turn three!
A gentlemens agreement by all drivers that balacavlas are.optional and then another drivers team complains because they had no response to ambrose race speed prior to this fiasco
no such agreement can be made contrary to the regs
You should never, _NEVER_ reply to a "Yes or No" question like that with a "I believe so" or "I think so." That says to me, unless it's a direct "YES, I AM" or "NO, I AM NOT," there is a strong smell of bullshit to me, regardless of how long I know the driver and how much I trust them.
And then, of course, we all know what happened shortly after.
He did say yes I am then said I believe so
It’s a safety item, get it on and stop the crap. No excuse
I don't understand, who wasn't wearing the balaclava? if it was Ambrose, why was he allowed to keep driving without it?
Because those boys aren’t thieves like the Holden boys who are used to wearing them whenever they go to the servo.
Brad Williams I remember that. I met him in 1995 as i was driving for a children’s charity event in darling harbour. I had a 1992 Ford LTD at the time and he refused to get in it because it was a ford. He needed to get to the airport. I told him to call a taxi; and said “bad luck dickhead they’re all falcons”. He really was a prissy piece of shit.
@Aussie Cockatoo check your facts. Cross entering was in the rules . Johnson and Moffat did it. And 25 rejoined in its spot in the race
Rules are rules champ! And yes the rules apply to you too
Plenty of others weren’t wearing them Marcus just got caught
Yeah. There are literally thousands of technical and sporting regs that you're supposed to adhere to and the stewards don't always spot every infringement. But the surest way not to get penalised is to abide by the rule.
The officials are always going to intervene if it's noticed that you're not wearing a balaclava. They can't be seen not to. It's a safety critical item, but at the same time there's a performance advantage in terms of driver comfort to be had if you don't wear it, so the stewards know they have to enforce the rule to stop people risking it. Ultimately if you're running 14th you may slip under the radar, but doing it in a really obvious way when you're leading and the cameras are on you isn't very smart.
@@philwoodward5069 Marcos wasn’t the only front run runner not wearing one mate
@@bus5683 No, his co-driver wasn't either.
At the time, nobody was on the stewards' case telling them that this or that Holden driver didn't have a balaclava on. If they were, the stewards would have had to penalise them, because they can't be seen not to.
It doesn't matter if we find out later that various people didn't wear one and got away with it. A bunch of minor infractions go undetected at every race, but you still have to take it on the chin if you get found out.
@@philwoodward5069 I don’t get your point
Excellent
Balaclavas should be neon yellow or orange.....something easier to see in the helmet.
Too distracting mate. There are cameras everywhere these days so there's no chance of getting away with it.
Ambrose is a complete joke. In a podcast hosted by Greg Rust Ambrose claims that he had never worn a balaclava at Bathurst before. Nevermind that in the 2003 and 2004 race when they do a driver change you can clearly see him wearing a balaclava. Glad he never won Bathurst. In his words, he is "an absolute joke".
Biggest sook in the series. He wanted the entire field checked…. They were. Best place for him was offshore.
Not much of a racer forgets their fire proof gear. How many Bathurst wins?
Whatdoiknow Smith he didn’t forget, no driver forgets, but do you have any idea how annoying the balaclava is on a hot day when your in the car for a long period of time?
Not to mention when your balaclava gets soaked with sweat it makes it really really hard to breathe through
sean henderson Do you know how hot and uncomfortable 3rd degree burns are ,I think it really just comes down to insurance .
Not much of a joke now is it Abrose?
If the rules say wear one,why would you not.Real race car drivers have been wearing them for years ?????????
Not popular to the primma donna's,just sayin'
Rob. Hardy a"top " Holden team reported That Ambrose wasn't wearing a balaclava!!!!!
Rob. Hardy did his last name start with S and end in Kaife? 😆
Rules are rules unlucky for ambrose grin and bear it
So that's why he left for NASCAR where nobody except for Kyle Busch wears a balaclava.
If memory serves me correctly, there was also speculation Ingall wasn't wearing his either
+gonzobombers propbably the reason why he jumped into the pits and put Youlden in the car.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that part. Even the commentators were bemused why Youlden hopped in, and later on how Ingall rushed through to the back of the garage
Brad Williams You sad man .
Some say the crash was Murphy’s fault, but if Ambrose was wearing the balaclava it all would’ve been avoided
If Ambrose was never born all would've been avoided
How hard can it be?
I mean the pit man that put the balaclava on is wearing one himself 😅.
This STUPID incident could have cost them the chance to get a good finsh.
could have? it's quite apparent it was rather costly.
ambrose, blatant liar, states he is wearing it
Of course. why would you want to admit to not having one and have to come into pit? Not one driver out there would have said anything else.
as someone who used to race both bikes and karts , there is no advantage to not wearing a balaclava , its like wiping your arse , its automatic , you know instinctively if you dont have it on , so why would you risk it , both for your personal safety and the risk of getting pinged ?
i was watching this when it was live on tv and more then half the fucking drivers didnt have one on ffs and they chose to specificly pick on ambrose and luff and no one else they never checked the other drives so rules or not if you are going to enforce them dont just pick on one team call in every fucking team and have them all checked every single driver!
Balaclavas are a must - both in racing and armed robberies
Why won't people realise 🙄
The race that Ambrose was completely Robed of. No body was wearing them. So pissed off
wasn't robbed at all, should have been made to put one on, and wasted more time, cheats, both of them, look at 1. 04 none on luff either
You're an idiot.
@@dtexas2964 you are 🤣
2020 and still not wearing it
Ambrose is as the best thing to hit Supercars. And then his head outgrew his helmet
Supercars were out to get Ambrose. That was obvious. It's why he moved to the US. That Murphy walked away scott free from the crash 16 laps out tells you everything you need to know. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an envelope with a fat wad of cash waiting for Murphy in his trailer with "Cheers, AVESCO" written on it.
Cool upload : D
As far as I'm aware not wearing a balaclava doesn't make you faster so BULLSHIT give them a fine.
I was becoming a fan of supercars but I keep seeing this bullshit "oh you're married but you don't have your wedding ring on....20 lap penalty". Or " your car livery doesn't have any green in it, put in and run around your car 20 times". If it doesn't effect lap times it shouldn't effect the race. If a driver wants to race bollock naked give him a £1million fine, don't ask him to put and manually change all 4 wheels with a wrench.
How much is marcos paying for fans in his club these days to inflate his ego?
Certainly a lying grub.
what a load of garbage..i remember watching this race...ambrose got ripped off...he did rub up officials the wrong way with his comments in the past...they had it in for him
I agree
ben pasquale I agree
Don't worry Seto, that old fart Tim Schenkens Red goggles work fine even to this day...
They did not have it in for Ambrose as much as they did for Murphy a five minute penalty has never been heard before or after.
If they had of checked every driver. Amvrose wouldnt have been in the pack and the murph incident wouldn't have even happened
ambrose has always been one of the biggest sooks and cheaters in the sport and the biggest issue is he is teaching his child to do the same in excel series as well
He was dobbed on by another team. That is why they did it.
CAMS = Crippling Aussie Motor Sport
dazaspc it doesn’t matter, it’s against safety regulations and then lied about it. He was reigning champion and being a reigning champion means you will be more scrutinised, instead following regulation he and luff decided to break them and were rightly penalised.
@@Loose89 They were given a valid penalty, however CAMS and those who police and enforce the rules failed here miserably and not the first time. Deciding halfway through the race to do the stop go rather than immediately after the start, practice, qualifying or even mentioning it in the drivers meeting. Look at Aussie motor sport how many different classes and championships are there? No constancy. Look at this years Bathurst Penske and their pre planned cheating the entire team should have been disqualified from the race no ifs or buts yet they sent in an engineer to take the fall. Penske from its very inception has cheated in motorsport. CAMS just let them off.
dazaspc there was nothing stopping SBR from protesting against other teams and drivers, also as most drivers get changed in their own private space CAMS would not obviously and immediately know all drivers are wearing them at all times. In any case it was blatantly obvious Ambrose was not wearing one and as he was leading there was no way another team would not protest to stewards about it.
There’s no consistency overseas for the most part either! Sure CAMS are notoriously bad but in this instance I do not think CAMS did anything overly outrageously bad here as it is not an easy thing to police unless there’s a steward in very drivers change room.
This years Bathurst was poorly handled I agree, a DSQ would be too harsh but post race 25 second penalties applied to both DJR Penske cars and the massive fine would have sufficed, but politics and Supercars golden boy and golden sponsor prevented rational decision making as CAMS were afraid of the backlash of stripping them of the win would have done.
He crashed this race anyway
@Nic B Well took someone and himself out definitely matter of factually, actually!
Problem with Ford fans, their eyesight is shit, thus why they're attracted to each other and think Fords look good!
Oh and to curtail your predictable comebacks, I'm not a Holden fan either ;)
Ambrose is a liar and a cheat and always has been.
I remember this,Garth ran off when he got out of the car,obviously not wearing one too but it's ok he drove a holden,there was a gentleman's agreement not to wear them on stupidly hot days
Half the field don’t have balaclavas on that year. Fmd stitch up. He was going to win that year.
It would make far more sense to issue a hefty fine for infringing the regulations in a manner that doesn’t affect the race position or give the driver and his team an unfair advantage. I appreciate that - for health and safety reasons - they could have insisted that the driver come in to don his balaclava, but they didn’t actually KNOW that he wasn’t wearing it until they called him in... which they were already doing in order to impose a ludicrous time penalty for a speculative infringement that doesn’t warrant it... 🤷🏻♂️
Not wearing a balaclava 100% warrants a time penalty and a pit to put it on. Not wearing one is sheer stupidity.
Basetornado You’ve clearly missed the points I was making... 🤷🏻♂️
@@the5thmusketeer215 Nope, just that your points are absurd. They told them "come in if you are wearing one, stay out if you arn't".
He came in.
Basetornado I’m going to give your sanity the benefit of the doubt... and assume that you meant the opposite of what you’ve just written? 🤔
However, if he was called in on that basis, then fair enough... 👍 My point was simply that the offence shouldn’t warrant *a time penalty* as a punishment (because it has no impact on the race itself) but only a fine for flouting important safety rules. If they called him in specifically to don an important piece of fire safety equipment, then I can see the logic of that, so we’re probably “singing from the same song sheet” there. 🤝
@@the5thmusketeer215 The coming in to put it on is the time penalty. The drive through is the time penalty for luff not wearing it.
They were two seperate incidents. They both deserve time penaltys because if its just a fine, the drivers are going to take the risk every time.
Cheating Ambrose being a flop
The years ford actually came out with better looking cars then holden the factory stock 1z that is
Yep that was bullshit .....nobody was wearing them
Most of the drivers were, Jason Richards in the Dodo-Tasman car was used as an example in the telecast who always wore his balaclava
luff wasn't wearing one either, and thay only got one drive thru, cheats
Wrong - they got 2 drive throughs.
Just about no bastard on the track was wearing one at various points in those days you winging bastards
You and i letts run over r nmnm eye youllll hewweewelll howld on tigh😈😈😎😎
@@warrenharrison5052 no it was one drive thru and the other stop was of their own accord to avoid another.
This was the end of the enjoyment in V8 supercar racing for me, why did officials wait the entire race to find Marcose without a Balaklava on and ignore others without them? It was clearly evident the whole race, why wait till the last few laps?
It could have remained such an awesome sport, but to wait until nearly the end of the race and pull in select drivers for a balaklava of all things after a "gentlemens ruling" was made on the fly applying to all?, it was nothing but corrupt money making ratings making staged race! The real winner was unfairly called out (Ambrose).
A one eye marcos fan I see, there were 40 laps left ie 1/4 of the race!
@@nottodaybuddy370 3 laps remaining or 50 laps remaining, why wait so long to pull him up for a balaklava and only pull him up for it?
Its ok he got his karma when Murphy took him out of the race shortly after all of that. Had he been wearing it, they would have been ahead of Murphy at the restart in question.
What a bunch of amateurs
Ambrose obviously had some talent as a driver but look back through his V8 SC Australian racing history and it is also obvious he is a petulant sore loser, fined by the stewards, the balaclava and lying about it, brake testing Kelly are just a few - almost choked on his words when he was forced to issue a public apology - wishes he had punched Greg Murphy - I don't think so, just look at the video of their altercation on the track, when fronted by Murphy, he kept backing up until he had his back to the wall, always blamed others for his 'incidents' - in his own words 'I'm trying to win races and the're just getting in my way' - all these are signs of an entitled bully.
Stop showing sick behaviour!!!!!!!!