@@parapoliticos52Many people who went past El Mirador say that its easy to lose track).. Hell there is even a sign on El Mirador who says exactly that towards the tourists!
@@brendamagic2223A lot of people on youtube believe that. On reddit people do more research and come to the same conclusions in the end, as the investigators on that case. But youtube is youtube ;)
No way they could be found with a drone, for they were abducted on the same day of their hike, on 1st April around 4:30 pm, and were taken to a remote place. I am still surprised how many people still think "they were lost in the jungle". The jungle never cut bodies into 33 small pieces, and scatter them far away from each other. And nobody said there were huge ferocious animals like bears or tigers to attack humans. So the only logical theory is abduction, abuse, then killing, then cutting into dozens of pieces to hide the crime, with zero DNA evidence.
They didn't know at all where to search. They searched many other trails too, because they didn't know where they got lost. You can even with drones not search all the jungle if you don't know where in a huge area. And, as you can see in Romain's videos, you can also see a little bit only at rivers, paths or paddocks, and even with that you can easily miss something at these places. Certainly, it would always be extremely helpful to accompany a ground search with drones and thus also have an eye on the areas next to the trails - at least when the trees opens up.
@@NJC2874Why would you think murderer would just scatter their body parts like that? Wouldn't it be better to bury them somewhere far from the trail? Also the camera... why would somebody leave it there? Makes absolutely no sense.
@@wassupMannnAbsolutely agree. The camera was not even broken! Lisannes phone wasnt broken. Kris phone as far i know had a crack (all of that was found in the backpack which was halfly submerged in the river la culebra). Also other belongings were in quiet good condition. Not burned, not ripped. No blood stains, etc.. Even the sunglasses of the girls had not a single crack or blood on it. For a murderer who want to hide his traces it would much more make sense to bury the backpack or burn it. But not throwing the backpack in the most famous river of Boquete (La Culebra). Even 86 Dollar of money was in the backpack. There is no reason why a killer shouldnt take the money, or at least: most of it. The 86 Dollars absolutely fit how much money the girls had on that they: because they got to the beginning of the Pianista trail with a taxi. So they probably also needed around 10-15 dollars back. They probably also thought to go eating in a restaurant on afternoon etc. So 86 Dollars for both girls for that day is absolutely believable. Btw the back pack only contained things the girls would put in the backpack. For instance there were no trousers in the backpack (because they wore it). Also no tshirt (because they wore it) . But they was their bras in the backpack. Women wrote about this: that on a hike, espescially when its warm adlnd exhausting: women often take their bras off (but leave their tshirts on).. All of that fits perfectly how women behave in such conditions.
Cette histoire est dingue je me suis beaucoup documentée à ce sujet pendant mes nuits d’insomnie et vraiment je suis tellement triste que nous n’ayons pas plus d’informations. J’avais regardé attentivement vos vidéos du parcours d’El pianista et du parcours après le mirador et cette forêt dense et étouffante est terriblement angoissante. Mêlée à l’obscurité totale de la nuit, aux bruits ambiant de la jungle elles ont du avoir si peur et se voir mourir.. Merci de continuer de creuser pour découvrir la vérité et ne pas laisser tomber ces jeunes femmes dans l’oubli. Toutes mes pensées envers leur famille
Jsuis d'accord mais c'est quand mm bizarre, t'as des cours d'eau un peu partout d'eau potable, de la bouffe (plein d'insecte partout mm si c'est pas ouf gustativement), des fruits, 2 bouteilles d'eau, il fait pas froid franchement tu te construis un abris je dirais pas que c'est du luxe mais tu peux survivre plusieurs mois sans problème dans cet environnement mm sans aucune expérience à moins d’être blessé.
As tecnologias de drone não estavam tão acessiveis em 2014(época do desaparecimento)como estão agora.Se estivesse com certeza teriam sido achadas com vida.Mesmo se estivessem perdidas e seguindo uma trilha acho muito dificil não encontrarem ninguém no caminho.
Romain C vc foi até o ponto da ultima foto de Kris as fotos 507 e 508.A trilha é fácil?Existe a possibilidade de se perder na trilha,ela tem muitas bifurcações?
Отличное исследование, пожалуйста продолжайте. Может случиться чудо и вы найдете останки или место гибели девушек, это поможет разгадать тайну их гибели. Не забудьте про ветку дерева в форме "Y", которая часто видна на ночных фотографиях. Я думаю их родители будут очень благодарны за ваш труд!
Em oito anos, a vegetação muda muito e aquele galho provavelmente não está mais lá ou mudou totalmente sua aparência. Têm que focar em todas as pedras que aparecem naquelas fotos, mesmo daqui a mil anos, aquelas pedras muito provavelmente ainda estarão lá. Era por isso que as civilizações antigas grafavam as leis em pedra, eles sabiam que as pedras duravam muito tempo e permaneciam imutáveis por muitos séculos.
@@yolandadavalos4184 O que penso sobre o conhecimento científico dos antigos, é muito distante de qualquer opinião moderada, muito distante do politicamente correto e muito distante da história tida como oficial. O referencial que utilizo é de fundamentação essencialmente espiritual e bíblica, o que leva o entendimento do passado para uma outra direção. A realidade é mais assustadora do que a ficção, e tudo o que existe hoje, certamente já foi vívido no passado.
да, согласна, огромная работа! и очень интересно!!! а по поводу родителей, складывается впечатление, что им заплатили, при чем крупную сумму, или же угрожали, дело замяли быстро. от них вестей никаких, добиваться правды особо не стали. очень все странно, более чем, не верю в несчастный случай.
U want to go to the trail to check it out myself days after they disappeared some other tourist said they heard screaming and a big crash and were told not to enter the jungle so it’s all weird smh love you Kris en Lisanne
Hi romain I'm doing a documentary on kris kremers and lisanne froon would I be able to use some of your footage il give you the credits obviously I'm not monetized yet let me know please many thanks karl 😊
Looking at this video came to me an idea that perhaps no one has commented on. What if Kris climbed a tree to see if she could see a way out of the forest and fell and hurt himself? Or if the two climbed a tree to escape some wild boar and fell, hurting themselves?
Les digo algo: nadie en su sano juicio solo por diversión o curiosidad se pone a recorrer durante horas una quebrada (y este es el nombre apropiado porque dicha corriente NO es un rio) estrecha, resbalosa y con ramas de arboles alrededor, dado el caso exploraria unos minutos antes de devolverse. Entonces cuanto puede alejarse del sendero? Insisto en lo extraño que no existan fotos en la corriente 3, que es un poco más amplia, 2 horas y 43 minutos sin actividad alguna en ambos telefonos y camara, estando no muy lejos del mirador en un sendero unico en ocasiones demarcado por carcavas, archivo 509 totalmente desaparecido! Rarezas y casualidades juntas cuidado si aplicas mal la navaja de Ockham...
There are chances they did a mistake there. they might think that they can go back to the start of the trail by following the almost dry riverbed, without having to climb back up to the Mirador. I dont know if this river upstream was searched on the ground by rescue team the next days. to have a better understanding it would be crucial to see that El pianista trail leaflet they were looking at in the Spanish School. i havent found anything about it, you can just see it shattered around in the sos singnal night photo.
The girls where not dressed for such a challenge, it was most inappropriate to go that far Why do so? Top of that Mirador and back was quite enough, dressed as such, no one could ever be sure of what happened.
the dressing was irresponsible and naive. Firstly because this is not how to enter a rainforest, especially not in shorts. Secondly because in Latin America it is nowhere a good idea to walk in shorts. This is always enticing men and asking for trouble.
SUGGESTION Some one should create a go fund me campaign so money can be raised to hire a local with a 360 degrees camera to walk along those creeks/rivers adjusted to the pianista all the way to Alto Romero. Average income there is like 5-10,000$/year. It's probably few dozens of Km long(all together), but a months job for a yearly salary.
In my humble opinion, there is a 99% chance that there are no medium and large cats around these mountains. These mountain folds isolate this place from the presence of larger predators, and the dense vegetation prevents easy locomotion for a feline. Forget the wild predator attack narrative! They are completely inappropriate for the area we are seeing in the video.
I do agree that a large cat is probably not the cause of what happened, however there large cats living in the area. It's very rare to see one, because they tend to be active at night and avoid human activity.
@@Ack359 Um osso solto, pequeno e com restos de carne, até que faz sentido ter sido levado por um abutre, mas um osso pélvico grande, preso por ligamentos nervosos muito fortes e totalmente limpos e sem marcas do bico da ave carniceira, é impossível!
your opinion is really humble. This is the living place of Jaguars. They can easily handle dense forests. But usually they do not attact humans, let alone when they are two.
People say it's impossible to get lost but by the looks of this I could very easily get lost here
They mean on the trails.
I think it's obvious that you can get lost but they didn't get lost they were killed
@@parapoliticos52Many people who went past El Mirador say that its easy to lose track).. Hell there is even a sign on El Mirador who says exactly that towards the tourists!
@@brendamagic2223A lot of people on youtube believe that. On reddit people do more research and come to the same conclusions in the end, as the investigators on that case. But youtube is youtube ;)
If a drone search had been carried out in 2014 the girls could have been found.
No way they could be found with a drone, for they were abducted on the same day of their hike, on 1st April around 4:30 pm, and were taken to a remote place. I am still surprised how many people still think "they were lost in the jungle". The jungle never cut bodies into 33 small pieces, and scatter them far away from each other. And nobody said there were huge ferocious animals like bears or tigers to attack humans. So the only logical theory is abduction, abuse, then killing, then cutting into dozens of pieces to hide the crime, with zero DNA evidence.
They didn't know at all where to search. They searched many other trails too, because they didn't know where they got lost. You can even with drones not search all the jungle if you don't know where in a huge area. And, as you can see in Romain's videos, you can also see a little bit only at rivers, paths or paddocks, and even with that you can easily miss something at these places. Certainly, it would always be extremely helpful to accompany a ground search with drones and thus also have an eye on the areas next to the trails - at least when the trees opens up.
@@NJC2874 I agree they were killed !!!
@@NJC2874Why would you think murderer would just scatter their body parts like that? Wouldn't it be better to bury them somewhere far from the trail? Also the camera... why would somebody leave it there? Makes absolutely no sense.
@@wassupMannnAbsolutely agree. The camera was not even broken! Lisannes phone wasnt broken. Kris phone as far i know had a crack (all of that was found in the backpack which was halfly submerged in the river la culebra). Also other belongings were in quiet good condition. Not burned, not ripped. No blood stains, etc.. Even the sunglasses of the girls had not a single crack or blood on it. For a murderer who want to hide his traces it would much more make sense to bury the backpack or burn it. But not throwing the backpack in the most famous river of Boquete (La Culebra). Even 86 Dollar of money was in the backpack. There is no reason why a killer shouldnt take the money, or at least: most of it. The 86 Dollars absolutely fit how much money the girls had on that they: because they got to the beginning of the Pianista trail with a taxi. So they probably also needed around 10-15 dollars back. They probably also thought to go eating in a restaurant on afternoon etc. So 86 Dollars for both girls for that day is absolutely believable. Btw the back pack only contained things the girls would put in the backpack. For instance there were no trousers in the backpack (because they wore it). Also no tshirt (because they wore it) . But they was their bras in the backpack. Women wrote about this: that on a hike, espescially when its warm adlnd exhausting: women often take their bras off (but leave their tshirts on).. All of that fits perfectly how women behave in such conditions.
Cette histoire est dingue je me suis beaucoup documentée à ce sujet pendant mes nuits d’insomnie et vraiment je suis tellement triste que nous n’ayons pas plus d’informations.
J’avais regardé attentivement vos vidéos du parcours d’El pianista et du parcours après le mirador et cette forêt dense et étouffante est terriblement angoissante. Mêlée à l’obscurité totale de la nuit, aux bruits ambiant de la jungle elles ont du avoir si peur et se voir mourir..
Merci de continuer de creuser pour découvrir la vérité et ne pas laisser tomber ces jeunes femmes dans l’oubli.
Toutes mes pensées envers leur famille
Jsuis d'accord mais c'est quand mm bizarre, t'as des cours d'eau un peu partout d'eau potable, de la bouffe (plein d'insecte partout mm si c'est pas ouf gustativement), des fruits, 2 bouteilles d'eau, il fait pas froid franchement tu te construis un abris je dirais pas que c'est du luxe mais tu peux survivre plusieurs mois sans problème dans cet environnement mm sans aucune expérience à moins d’être blessé.
@@timespaice tu penses du coup plutôt à une théorie criminelle ?
As tecnologias de drone não estavam tão acessiveis em 2014(época do desaparecimento)como estão agora.Se estivesse com certeza teriam sido achadas com vida.Mesmo se estivessem perdidas e seguindo uma trilha acho muito dificil não encontrarem ninguém no caminho.
Génial !...on se croirait la bas....Pas très rassurant !..comment penser que des recherches en hélicoptère auraient pu les sauver,vu le couvert !!....
Romain C vc foi até o ponto da ultima foto de Kris as fotos 507 e 508.A trilha é fácil?Existe a possibilidade de se perder na trilha,ela tem muitas bifurcações?
Can you do a video on there early life like before they went missing like where they are actually talking
Always great work, Romain!
Дроны с ночным видением нашли бы девчонок в первый же день. Но насколько же джунгли непроходимые. Сплошные заросли.
Отличное исследование, пожалуйста продолжайте. Может случиться чудо и вы найдете останки или место гибели девушек, это поможет разгадать тайну их гибели. Не забудьте про ветку дерева в форме "Y", которая часто видна на ночных фотографиях. Я думаю их родители будут очень благодарны за ваш труд!
Em oito anos, a vegetação muda muito e aquele galho provavelmente não está mais lá ou mudou totalmente sua aparência.
Têm que focar em todas as pedras que aparecem naquelas fotos, mesmo daqui a mil anos, aquelas pedras muito provavelmente ainda estarão lá.
Era por isso que as civilizações antigas grafavam as leis em pedra, eles sabiam que as pedras duravam muito tempo e permaneciam imutáveis por muitos séculos.
Thank you ! I really hope the place will be found. It would change everything.
@@eliaslima5506 yo tengo una inquietud en ese tiempo ya existían los dioses yel avance de la tecnología cómo para hacer fotoshows?
@@yolandadavalos4184 O que penso sobre o conhecimento científico dos antigos, é muito distante de qualquer opinião moderada, muito distante do politicamente correto e muito distante da história tida como oficial. O referencial que utilizo é de fundamentação essencialmente espiritual e bíblica, o que leva o entendimento do passado para uma outra direção.
A realidade é mais assustadora do que a ficção, e tudo o que existe hoje, certamente já foi vívido no passado.
да, согласна, огромная работа! и очень интересно!!! а по поводу родителей, складывается впечатление, что им заплатили, при чем крупную сумму, или же угрожали, дело замяли быстро. от них вестей никаких, добиваться правды особо не стали. очень все странно, более чем, не верю в несчастный случай.
U want to go to the trail to check it out myself days after they disappeared some other tourist said they heard screaming and a big crash and were told not to enter the jungle so it’s all weird smh love you Kris en Lisanne
Hi romain I'm doing a documentary on kris kremers and lisanne froon would I be able to use some of your footage il give you the credits obviously I'm not monetized yet let me know please many thanks karl 😊
Yes, feel free to use them ;)
@@Romain_C thanks romain I will put your video links on them you will get full credits and exposure thanks my friend.
When will the documentary be released
Looking at this video came to me an idea that perhaps no one has commented on. What if Kris climbed a tree to see if she could see a way out of the forest and fell and hurt himself? Or if the two climbed a tree to escape some wild boar and fell, hurting themselves?
It is possible, but they were not prepared to climb!! Too bad they didn't bring a lighter, if they were made a campfire, they would be found!
Les digo algo: nadie en su sano juicio solo por diversión o curiosidad se pone a recorrer durante horas una quebrada (y este es el nombre apropiado porque dicha corriente NO es un rio) estrecha, resbalosa y con ramas de arboles alrededor, dado el caso exploraria unos minutos antes de devolverse. Entonces cuanto puede alejarse del sendero?
Insisto en lo extraño que no existan fotos en la corriente 3, que es un poco más amplia, 2 horas y 43 minutos sin actividad alguna en ambos telefonos y camara, estando no muy lejos del mirador en un sendero unico en ocasiones demarcado por carcavas, archivo 509 totalmente desaparecido! Rarezas y casualidades juntas cuidado si aplicas mal la navaja de Ockham...
There are chances they did a mistake there. they might think that they can go back to the start of the trail by following the almost dry riverbed, without having to climb back up to the Mirador. I dont know if this river upstream was searched on the ground by rescue team the next days. to have a better understanding it would be crucial to see that El pianista trail leaflet they were looking at in the Spanish School. i havent found anything about it, you can just see it shattered around in the sos singnal night photo.
Is the water there drinkable? What did the guides say?
You can drink it without issues. I have spent many times in thoses rivers. Used the water to drink, to cook and to bath, and I never had any issues.
!Lo máximo!
The girls where not dressed for such a challenge, it was most inappropriate to go that far Why do so? Top of that Mirador and back was quite enough, dressed as such, no one could ever be sure of what happened.
the dressing was irresponsible and naive. Firstly because this is not how to enter a rainforest, especially not in shorts. Secondly because in Latin America it is nowhere a good idea to walk in shorts. This is always enticing men and asking for trouble.
Hello, charco la cascada- caldera img 542
Why search was not done during night time?? Flash lights would defenetly seen. Shame on local police
Aí ao invés de duas teriam dezenas de pessoas perdidas.Impossivel procurar alguém na selva a noite
SUGGESTION
Some one should create a go fund me campaign so money can be raised to hire a local with a 360 degrees camera to walk along those creeks/rivers adjusted to the pianista all the way to Alto Romero. Average income there is like 5-10,000$/year. It's probably few dozens of Km long(all together), but a months job for a yearly salary.
In my humble opinion, there is a 99% chance that there are no medium and large cats around these mountains. These mountain folds isolate this place from the presence of larger predators, and the dense vegetation prevents easy locomotion for a feline.
Forget the wild predator attack narrative! They are completely inappropriate for the area we are seeing in the video.
I do agree that a large cat is probably not the cause of what happened, however there large cats living in the area. It's very rare to see one, because they tend to be active at night and avoid human activity.
Also birds of prey such as vultures may have picked up bones etc and moved them distances
@@Ack359 Um osso solto, pequeno e com restos de carne, até que faz sentido ter sido levado por um abutre, mas um osso pélvico grande, preso por ligamentos nervosos muito fortes e totalmente limpos e sem marcas do bico da ave carniceira, é impossível!
your opinion is really humble. This is the living place of Jaguars. They can easily handle dense forests. But usually they do not attact humans, let alone when they are two.
FUÉ EL GUÍA EL ES EL CULPABLE ELLAS TENÍAN MUCHA COMUNICACIÓN CON EL ÉSE GUÍA SE VENGÓ DE LO QUE LE HIZO SU EXPAREJA HOLANDESA ELLA LO DEJÓ.