The crime scene was likely elsewhere. Only probably a few smaller bones and some clothing were taken there to be found. The bigger bones and the rest of the clothing remained elsewhere, where they were killed. Too large to transport and dump, like femurs, spinal columns, rib cages etc.
Yes, it proves, how little to nothing experience they had. According to the point when they started the hike, it seems, they maybe know the "window" ; the timeframe, when they have to start the hike, to get back at afternoon. This could mean: they knew that its a 5 hour hike at least. There is a golden rule at hiking (which espescially experienced hikers know, but its easy to memorize): "Always pack 3x of the amount you think the hike will last" ... so if you think "the hike will only last 5 hours... pack as if its a 15 hour hike" ... If you know you are into a 15 hour hike, you would for sure take food with you, water, rain coat, compass (be sure you know how to use it), knife, a bar of chocolate, first aid kit, at least one pullover, a detailed papermap of that area, and maches/lighter (see that all this things i mentioned now, are things which work without electricity !)...further for sure: smartphone (always fully charged before the hike, not only 50 % charged as Lisanne and Kris had it), and an additional fully charged powerbank. That sounds a lot - but without a guide who knows the area, and considering: someone has no experience at all with hiking, and considering, that that person was never in that area before/doesnt know that area at all, those things i mentioned above are the minimum (!) to go for a 5 hour hike in an unknown area with no experience at all. And i said this as someone who hiked a lot with his uncle in my youth (my uncle worked for mountain- and caverescue - from him i learned a lot about hiking, climbing, and survival) The girls were super careless. For most internetpeople who have equally zero experience with hiking, they only can explain their death as third party involvement. Thats absolutely not necessary. Nature can be at least equally deadly, and more often even more painful deadly, than a human could ever be. Dying from starvation is one of the cruelst deaths.
Yet nobody else has ever got lost and remained lost in that area. It's a, straightforward trail and they made it to the Mirador summit in good time. Quite clearly third party foul play was the reason. It's not the jungle.
@PygmalionFaciebat Im an experienced hiker. Nothing suggests they merely got lost/had an accident. They never used either of the bras as an injury aid (strapping, padding or bandage etc), never left any messages to say goodbye or explain what happened or sent any pending texts etc and if they didnt think they were going to die then conversely they never took any pictures of their ordeal, either as a terrain marker or as a keep sake momento to look back on after they were rescued. Many locals know it was foul play, by a known group. One even confessed to his mother.
Look sweetheart how can you physically break a hip bone like that, clearly they fell off a waterfall somewhere earlier than the bones and backpack, would you think?
@@SimpleLifeAlways81🌸 Benim farklı düşüncelerim var. Kesinlikle kayboldular ama buna birisi sebep olmuş olabilir. Kayboldular ve Kris yaralandı veya öldü. Lissanne daha uzun yaşadı ve onun telefonunu açmaya çalıştı. Kemiklerin beyazlatıldığı sadece söz ediliyor. Kemikler nasıl bir yerde bulundu? Çanta nasıl bir yerde bulundu. Duruş şekli nasıldı? Bunları bilmeden bir şey diyemem. Bu olayda Kriss'in haylaz tavırlarının büyük rolü var. Keşke ingilizcem yeterli olsaydı da bu konu hakkında insanlarla tartışabilseydim.
@@SimpleLifeAlways81 Not necessary. First of all: one thing the internetfolks forgets all the time: the forensic report NEVER said, that the bones were bleached, but "appeared bleached" ..thats a very big difference. Forensic use the term "appears bleached" , when its NOT decideable wether it was bleached by a chemical, or by sun, or other natural circumstances (soil ... or even the nearby vulcano Baru, which emitts sulfuric chemicals into the air all the time, which come down as rain later on... for months the bone was there open to the air and rain). Its also contradictionary, why only the pelvic-bone should be bleached by chemicals, if someone really wants to hide his traces... because rips and other bones, didnt appeared bleached... only the pelvic bone. Internetfolks never think about things which could contradict their narrative.
For me there is no mystery in this case : 🕵♂➕➖✖➗〰✔ Photo 509 shows 👉 " Kris and Lisanne standing together on that rock " A third party 👤was definitely there . My guess is the tour guide who entered their room on April 2 early morning .
This is amazing. Could you fly over the route from Boquete, via Los Naranjos, Cerro Punta, past Barú Volcano to the Costa Rican border. I think to make things easier, you can use drone mode in MS2020.
Between photo time 508 and the first emergency call time 112 was a duration of more than 3 hours. We cannot and please do not assume that Kris and Lisanne have continued to go forward farther and farther away from the El Mirador summit. This kind of non verifiable pre-assumption is wrong ❌ On the opposite side, I believe that these girls have turned around and headed back towards the starting point ( approx. 2 hours on foot ). Then, for some reason, they got into a red truck 🚛which belonged to a gang called ND5 and drove away quickly heading in the direction of a famous Hotspring called Caldera ( approx. 1 hour by vehicle ). 2 + 1 = 3 hours Exactly the same time when the first two emergency calls were made. Approximately 4:30 pm. So, why not the Caldera ? Why always the Mirador and Serpent Trail ? Perhaps they have already been locked up in a basement or dark room ? It is possible. These girls could have gone anywhere in 3 hours time . Do you agree with me ? Thank you. 🚛💨▫▫▫▫3 hours▫▫▫ ▫🚛💨
This entire river is a crime scene in my book.
The crime scene was likely elsewhere. Only probably a few smaller bones and some clothing were taken there to be found. The bigger bones and the rest of the clothing remained elsewhere, where they were killed. Too large to transport and dump, like femurs, spinal columns, rib cages etc.
i can't imagine two girls going into that environment in with very little packed. Scary.
(Turkish) Benim farklı görüşlerim var ama bir yerde takılıp kalıyorum. O kısıma mantıklı bir cevap bulamadım.
Yes, it proves, how little to nothing experience they had. According to the point when they started the hike, it seems, they maybe know the "window" ; the timeframe, when they have to start the hike, to get back at afternoon. This could mean: they knew that its a 5 hour hike at least. There is a golden rule at hiking (which espescially experienced hikers know, but its easy to memorize): "Always pack 3x of the amount you think the hike will last" ... so if you think "the hike will only last 5 hours... pack as if its a 15 hour hike" ... If you know you are into a 15 hour hike, you would for sure take food with you, water, rain coat, compass (be sure you know how to use it), knife, a bar of chocolate, first aid kit, at least one pullover, a detailed papermap of that area, and maches/lighter (see that all this things i mentioned now, are things which work without electricity !)...further for sure: smartphone (always fully charged before the hike, not only 50 % charged as Lisanne and Kris had it), and an additional fully charged powerbank.
That sounds a lot - but without a guide who knows the area, and considering: someone has no experience at all with hiking, and considering, that that person was never in that area before/doesnt know that area at all, those things i mentioned above are the minimum (!) to go for a 5 hour hike in an unknown area with no experience at all. And i said this as someone who hiked a lot with his uncle in my youth (my uncle worked for mountain- and caverescue - from him i learned a lot about hiking, climbing, and survival)
The girls were super careless. For most internetpeople who have equally zero experience with hiking, they only can explain their death as third party involvement. Thats absolutely not necessary. Nature can be at least equally deadly, and more often even more painful deadly, than a human could ever be. Dying from starvation is one of the cruelst deaths.
Yet nobody else has ever got lost and remained lost in that area. It's a, straightforward trail and they made it to the Mirador summit in good time.
Quite clearly third party foul play was the reason. It's not the jungle.
@PygmalionFaciebat
Im an experienced hiker. Nothing suggests they merely got lost/had an accident. They never used either of the bras as an injury aid (strapping, padding or bandage etc), never left any messages to say goodbye or explain what happened or sent any pending texts etc and if they didnt think they were going to die then conversely they never took any pictures of their ordeal, either as a terrain marker or as a keep sake momento to look back on after they were rescued.
Many locals know it was foul play, by a known group. One even confessed to his mother.
@@lyndoncmp5751 You post the same nonsense over and over and over.
Bodies decompose four times faster in water that could debunk the bleaching bones.
No, those bones were bleached by a human.
Look sweetheart how can you physically break a hip bone like that, clearly they fell off a waterfall somewhere earlier than the bones and backpack, would you think?
@@SimpleLifeAlways81🌸 Benim farklı düşüncelerim var. Kesinlikle kayboldular ama buna birisi sebep olmuş olabilir. Kayboldular ve Kris yaralandı veya öldü. Lissanne daha uzun yaşadı ve onun telefonunu açmaya çalıştı. Kemiklerin beyazlatıldığı sadece söz ediliyor. Kemikler nasıl bir yerde bulundu? Çanta nasıl bir yerde bulundu. Duruş şekli nasıldı? Bunları bilmeden bir şey diyemem. Bu olayda Kriss'in haylaz tavırlarının büyük rolü var. Keşke ingilizcem yeterli olsaydı da bu konu hakkında insanlarla tartışabilseydim.
@@SimpleLifeAlways81 Aklımda çok detaylar var ama bir yerde tıkanıp kalıyorum. Kaybolmalarıyla - gece fotoğrafları arasında.
@@SimpleLifeAlways81 Not necessary. First of all: one thing the internetfolks forgets all the time: the forensic report NEVER said, that the bones were bleached, but "appeared bleached" ..thats a very big difference. Forensic use the term "appears bleached" , when its NOT decideable wether it was bleached by a chemical, or by sun, or other natural circumstances (soil ... or even the nearby vulcano Baru, which emitts sulfuric chemicals into the air all the time, which come down as rain later on... for months the bone was there open to the air and rain).
Its also contradictionary, why only the pelvic-bone should be bleached by chemicals, if someone really wants to hide his traces... because rips and other bones, didnt appeared bleached... only the pelvic bone. Internetfolks never think about things which could contradict their narrative.
For me there is no mystery in this case :
🕵♂➕➖✖➗〰✔
Photo 509 shows 👉 " Kris and Lisanne standing together on that rock "
A third party 👤was definitely there .
My guess is the tour guide who entered their room on April 2 early morning .
Where did u see it
This is amazing. Could you fly over the route from Boquete, via Los Naranjos, Cerro Punta, past Barú Volcano to the Costa Rican border. I think to make things easier, you can use drone mode in MS2020.
Use the Google Earth timeline slider tool to pull up a better version of the unclear area ..different years may have better imagery for that location
Boquete: bo-ke-te. Think of bow-kay-tay. If you can say Nevada and not Nevadd, then you can say Boquete and not Bokett. 🙂
or the remains are still somewhere in the jungle
Between photo time 508 and the first emergency call time 112 was a duration of more than 3 hours. We cannot and please do not assume that Kris and Lisanne have continued to go forward farther and farther away from the El Mirador summit. This kind of non verifiable pre-assumption is wrong ❌
On the opposite side, I believe that these girls have turned around and headed back towards the starting point ( approx. 2 hours on foot ).
Then, for some reason, they got into a red truck 🚛which belonged to a gang called ND5 and drove away quickly heading in the direction of a famous Hotspring called Caldera ( approx. 1 hour by vehicle ).
2 + 1 = 3 hours
Exactly the same time when the first two emergency calls were made. Approximately 4:30 pm.
So, why not the Caldera ? Why always the Mirador and Serpent Trail ?
Perhaps they have already been locked up in a basement or dark room ? It is possible.
These girls could have gone anywhere in 3 hours time .
Do you agree with me ?
Thank you. 🚛💨▫▫▫▫3 hours▫▫▫ ▫🚛💨
pov you’re the killer
Is that a Tangerine Dream song in your intro?
It's Wendy Carlos' music from _The Shining._
I believe they said their was pictures to graphic to show I think the people that took these pictures were response for these crimes.
HABLEN EN ESPAÑOL.
They were not there .
They were likely taken elsewhere.
@@lyndoncmp5751 More nonsense.
Yo! I think big foot ate them
Hi! No big foots here, too hot for them 😂... however plenty big cats and evil people roaming around...