Do you have actual status on this comment? Is it actually a market slowdown or is it just the Osborne Affect because the biggest seller is due for an update?
@@432wheels You havent kept up to date with car news have you? Toyota last week announced their reducing their EV output by half a million. VW also had a company meeting about it last week too.
Nice watch selection there Daddy Jacob! So lovely to see a PRX on those leather straps. Btw, 0.26 cD os basically what the W124 Mercedes 500e was able to achieve in 1991 😁
This is the first EV I would even consider. Right priced, beautifully styed and thoughtfully designed with range that won't give me too much anxiety. The only thing I can criticize are the wheels. Round wheels should not look square.. Just an opinion, but the most important one...mine! 🤣
Considering the Australian pricing hasn't been announced, it's a bit premature saying RIP Atto 3. In my opinion, the base model EV3 vehicle will be at least 60 grand and has the following negatives. No heat pump as standard, the Atto 3 has a heat pump as standard, no opening sun roof,only a partial moon roof where the Atto 3 have the moon/sunroof the whole length of the roof, only a 12.5 fixed infotainment screen compared to the Atto 3s 15.6 inch rotating infotainment screen and no LFP battery. If BYD do lose a lot of sales to this vehicle, they will just lower the price, but they will already have at least a 10 grand price advantage over this Kia vehicle.
You lost me at "Worlds' first compact electric SUV to that offers vehicle to load" - as that made it clear who paid for the trip and the slant of the video and did not go further
It has a compact design and cutting-edge features that are compact and small, easy to park and enjoy sports and camping, RV car with short front and back length, semi-autonomous driving at 1,3600 won for 55% charging to 200KM. It is economical to drive a family car that is good for a family of four because of its wide interior space. It can speed up to 100K in three seconds, so it is good for sports car and quiet driving sound to sleep when driving long distances. Perfect EV3 Micah. It is the best. However, I hope people don't take too many pictures because there are few charging stations. I hope you introduce more new features in EV3.
A while ago, a Kia EV6 battery fire occurred, and thermal runaway was prevented for 18 minutes. I was curious, so I looked up Chinese electric car fires, and most of the videos I found were explosions after 10 seconds. It was literally an explosion, not a thermal runaway.
Prices are out in denmark. Seems to beat most of the competition even with the big battery. 290.000 dkr for long range (~600km WLTP) base model. By comparison the Renault Megane E-tech techno with big battery (~430km WLTP) is at 284.990 kr.
4:55 Thank God it has a horizontal screen and not a vertical full sized iPad taking up half the windscreen and dash! 💙 As long as it's not $50k+ it'll sell.
Do a search average new car depreciation for the first 12 months is almost 18% and near 23% for the premium/luxury segments. And then 10-15% A year in deprecation thereafter. Which is why most leases shock folks when they see the resale value bit. 👍🏻😀
For people that keep their cars until they die, resale value doesn't matter. I just love having no car payments for 10 to 15 years after it is fully paid off.
It's doubtful that it will charge 10% - 80% in 31 minutes. The Tesla Model 3 charges that amount in around 22 -24 minutes, and it charges at 175 KW/hour. It's an interesting car. I think Kia and Hyundai are two of a list of very few EV manufacturers that can sort of compete with Tesla.
@@AlexanderAddams Hmmm, that's an interesting point. The Chinese do have the best EV battery technology in the world, so it is possible. However, I would like to see more real-world tests to confirm what the real charging speeds are. Remember, these are not solid-state batteries, so unless there are technology advances that have not been communicated yet, they shouldn't be very different from other EV batteries.
@@franklong6269I don't know why your information is limited, but most high-end or performance EVs use NMC batteries, while most Chinese batteries are LFP. When used above a 2C rate, LFP batteries cause durability issues and are heavier than NMC due to lower energy density. The charging speed isn't slow because of the battery itself, but because this car is built with a 400V system, which inherently limits the charging speed.
@@Gimlet6051 Hmmm, you clearly don't own an LFP battery-powered car; I do. I own a RWD Tesla Model 3 with LFP batteries, and it charges very quickly. With Tesla Model 3 and Y cars, the LFP batteries charge at 175 max KW/H rate. The NMC versions of the Model Y and 3 charge 250 KW/H rates. So, NMC batteries do charge more quickly, but in the real world, the difference is negligible. Both versions of the battery slow down charging to about the same rates within a few minutes. I understand your point that 800V systems have the potential to charge more quickly, but that may not materialize in the real world. I think you would have more effectively made your point if you had mentioned that the new semi-solid state and solid-state batteries will have the ability to charge far more quickly than current battery chemistries. Just having a higher voltage platform does not guarantee faster charging speeds. I readily admit I am not an expert on the theoretical charging speed differences between 400V and 800V systems, but just having more voltage does not guarantee that any battery will charge faster. We see this in Makita and DeWalt charging tools, which have higher voltages but do not charge faster than 18V Milwaukee tools. The chemistry and design of the batteries in these tools are what affect charging speeds the most. 800V Platforms may indeed have more theoretical potential to charge faster, but that does not translate to real-world charging speeds. BTW, the most advanced battery in mass production in the world is CATL's semi-solid-state battery, and it is an LFP battery. Supposedly it will fully charge in 15 minutes. I don't know what voltage platform produces that rate, but I do guarantee you that this battery will be in high-performance EVs very soon.
Love how no one mentions the ev5. I know is delayed and am waiting, but the comparison should be with that, not the ev9. What I want to know is that if I'm getting screwed buying the ev5 built in china or is the ev3 built in korea better
@@freetorobandloot China is copying others, stealing technology, and slightly applying it to disrupt the market, but who are the low-IQ people who buy Chinese products?
I set in both the Kia EV3 and the Atto3. I found the Atto3 to give a much more spatious feeling. Main reason to choose the atto3 in the end was the LFP battery. Saver, no runaway effect. No Kobalt, more load cycles.
I appreciate the car but citizens of third world countries like Canada will not be able to afford until a really stripped down version is made. Forego the alloy wheels (put hub caps on 15” wheels), wireless chargers, sunroof, power tailgate and seats, cruise control and on and on and look! It’s now under $30k.
Probably better built than a BYD and way better than a Tesla. It’ll also have good parts availability and service here in Australia. I can’t wait!! Let’s hope the price is reasonable.
No vehicle brand has a warehouse full of spare parts in Australia, Andrew. They all need to come from overseas. It took a month to get a front bumper for my Toyota camry. BYD'S vehicle quality is on par with Kia's vehicles sold in Australia and al BYD vehicles sold here have a 5 star ANCAP safety rating, so my advice is to actually go to a BYD showroom and maybe have a test drive, open and close the doors and inspect all the vehicle's panel gaps for consistency instead of just retyping what you have read by other ignorant people.
@@EastWood2004 No the EV3 GT trim uses NMC. The Air trim uses LFP. That's how most EVs go. The base versions save money while having longer lasting life but the bigger battery versions use NMC which usually have faster charging, more range and better throughput but less safety and doesn't last as long or you have to think about how you charge them more.
Yes it needs to be under 50.000 in Australia.....otherwise....people will go top brands that are 60.000 and over ,.....or customers will opt for the cheap invasion of chinese, predicted for 2025
Decent specs for an EV, that battery capacity should alleviate some range anxiety, 600 + k is impressive. I take it there was no spare wheel ? I think they could have put a bit more body design into the front of the vehicle, it looks a little “ boxy” for my taste. Otherwise it’s pretty impressive. Well done KIA - the price will determine its popularity I think.
My Tesla Model Y has averaged 7.4 km/kWh since new so this Kia is not that efficient. This Kia will be way too expensive here in Australia. The onslaught of Chinese EVs will kill these manufacturers.
If someone was driving me with their hand or hands were on the bottom quadrants of the steering wheel I would ask them to stop and let me out, Dangerous!
What i see for now there are few reasons, one is the steering wheeel's control butooms took a lots of space and feel too thic out, not so ergonomic, another reason is maybe the drive assistance let him off guard, the last one is it was a bad drive habit.
Looking good but unfortunately Kia has been notoriously out-pricing their ev - always. Byd killer you said- unlikely unless super affordable even so I don’t think want to call their car cheep as they been desperately uplifting their image as quality prestige car.
Doesn’t the Chinese competition completely destroy this joke of a car? NCM is a highly flammable and unsafe. And the price would be very high. The Koreans are very much behind in EVs. Atto 3 with 60kwh gets 480km WLTP so this Kia with similar pack with NCM chemistry only 420. Forget it.
@Whyunounderstand don't forget brand plays a huge part of consumers choice. Look at iPhone no where near the best spec'd phone or feature filled, still sell millions...flooding of Chinese models will not likely lead to more EV sales in Australia.
NCM is not highly flammable and unsafe. EVs with this chemistry have marginally higher fire risk, but still far less than gas or diesel or hybrid vehicles. The main downside to NMC is that for longevity, it's best to limit regular charging to 80% or 90%. LFP batteries can be regularly charged to 100% with minimal impact on battery life.
South Korean prices start at 31K USD, making it cheaper than the E-Niro. At the same time, the range is 160km longer than the E-Niro.
Kia will sell a boat load of these
I think thats how they sell all their cars...
A small boat
@@natehill8069all those outside of S Korea 😊
This needs to be 50K or under with the recent slowdown in the EV market. If its closer to 60K then its DOA, regardless of the quality of the car.
DOA for sure.
Nah it will do fine in your country
Cry much
Do you have actual status on this comment? Is it actually a market slowdown or is it just the Osborne Affect because the biggest seller is due for an update?
@@432wheels You havent kept up to date with car news have you? Toyota last week announced their reducing their EV output by half a million. VW also had a company meeting about it last week too.
Nice watch selection there Daddy Jacob! So lovely to see a PRX on those leather straps. Btw, 0.26 cD os basically what the W124 Mercedes 500e was able to achieve in 1991 😁
Looks great!
This is the first EV I would even consider. Right priced, beautifully styed and thoughtfully designed with range that won't give me too much anxiety. The only thing I can criticize are the wheels. Round wheels should not look square.. Just an opinion, but the most important one...mine! 🤣
Considering the Australian pricing hasn't been announced, it's a bit premature saying RIP Atto 3. In my opinion, the base model EV3 vehicle will be at least 60 grand and has the following negatives. No heat pump as standard, the Atto 3 has a heat pump as standard, no opening sun roof,only a partial moon roof where the Atto 3 have the moon/sunroof the whole length of the roof, only a 12.5 fixed infotainment screen compared to the Atto 3s 15.6 inch rotating infotainment screen and no LFP battery.
If BYD do lose a lot of sales to this vehicle, they will just lower the price, but they will already have at least a 10 grand price advantage over this Kia vehicle.
It will be twice the price.
But then again the EV3 is "Worlds' first compact electric SUV to that offers vehicle to load"... so ...go figure?
chinese🤣
Daddy Jacob good review, one thing slow down your talking just a little, it was almost like you were in a race to finish 😁😁
I tapped out as soon I heard that it was NMC chemistry 😢
why?
You lost me at "Worlds' first compact electric SUV to that offers vehicle to load" - as that made it clear who paid for the trip and the slant of the video and did not go further
The world's first compact SUV? 😂
That offers vehicle to load
It has a compact design and cutting-edge features that are compact and small, easy to park and enjoy sports and camping, RV car with short front and back length, semi-autonomous driving at 1,3600 won for 55% charging to 200KM. It is economical to drive a family car that is good for a family of four because of its wide interior space. It can speed up to 100K in three seconds, so it is good for sports car and quiet driving sound to sleep when driving long distances. Perfect EV3 Micah. It is the best. However, I hope people don't take too many pictures because there are few charging stations. I hope you introduce more new features in EV3.
daddy jacob reviews!
You are actually closer to Incheon than Seoul. But, the Songdo area looks cool in the shots.
If your children cant find the back door handle after a day or two it's time to trade them in lol!
It's not a question of finding the handle. Many small children won't be able to reach it.
@@jamespaul2587 exactly. Maybe that's what he should have said
A while ago, a Kia EV6 battery fire occurred, and thermal runaway was prevented for 18 minutes.
I was curious, so I looked up Chinese electric car fires, and most of the videos I found were explosions after 10 seconds.
It was literally an explosion, not a thermal runaway.
Prices are out in denmark. Seems to beat most of the competition even with the big battery. 290.000 dkr for long range (~600km WLTP) base model. By comparison the Renault Megane E-tech techno with big battery (~430km WLTP) is at 284.990 kr.
Atto 3 will just drop by another 10% to undercut this.
Chinese cars have huge margins in australia
yea but even with a drop this is just looking like a better car and while I like BYD the seal is their best not the atto 3.
Kia has 💩 reliability
@@Trackandshield that's old news. Recent Kia vehicles have been great in terms of reliability.
@@nfzeta128err don’t think so.
@@stendecstretcher5678 just check the stats, or look up the cars. The only problem KIA EVs really have is the 12V issue under certain conditions.
4:55 Thank God it has a horizontal screen and not a vertical full sized iPad taking up half the windscreen and dash! 💙
As long as it's not $50k+ it'll sell.
You forgot to mention your height and the Torque figure!?
Charges 350kw but only 160kw, what!?
Kia are killing it!! BYD Chinese EV BATTERIES BLOW UP
Shameless us owned asian
Will it even come to Australia, or vanish into the ether like the EV5?
why do they insist on offering only inefficient 19" wheels on the GT/GTS version in the UK. 17" are 10% more efficient
The question I have in relation to EV’s is resale value, say 5-6 years down the track, and longevity.
Do a search average new car depreciation for the first 12 months is almost 18% and near 23% for the premium/luxury segments.
And then 10-15% A year in deprecation thereafter. Which is why most leases shock folks when they see the resale value bit. 👍🏻😀
EVs have a better longevity than petrol cars.
For people that keep their cars until they die, resale value doesn't matter. I just love having no car payments for 10 to 15 years after it is fully paid off.
Daddy Jacob is on the sazul!!!!
If its priced like the Niro its not gonna sell.
Re the title ……. RIP Atto 3 ………. Have to see where the pricing ends up suspect EV3 is going to be mid 60s at a comparable feature level…..
It's estimated to be about 35k to 40k for the different trims.
MG zs has V2L
It's doubtful that it will charge 10% - 80% in 31 minutes. The Tesla Model 3 charges that amount in around 22 -24 minutes, and it charges at 175 KW/hour. It's an interesting car. I think Kia and Hyundai are two of a list of very few EV manufacturers that can sort of compete with Tesla.
People in Korea already have this vehicle. A number have stated that this is an actual number.
@@AlexanderAddams Hmmm, that's an interesting point. The Chinese do have the best EV battery technology in the world, so it is possible. However, I would like to see more real-world tests to confirm what the real charging speeds are. Remember, these are not solid-state batteries, so unless there are technology advances that have not been communicated yet, they shouldn't be very different from other EV batteries.
@@franklong6269I don't know why your information is limited, but most high-end or performance EVs use NMC batteries, while most Chinese batteries are LFP. When used above a 2C rate, LFP batteries cause durability issues and are heavier than NMC due to lower energy density. The charging speed isn't slow because of the battery itself, but because this car is built with a 400V system, which inherently limits the charging speed.
@@Gimlet6051 Hmmm, you clearly don't own an LFP battery-powered car; I do. I own a RWD Tesla Model 3 with LFP batteries, and it charges very quickly.
With Tesla Model 3 and Y cars, the LFP batteries charge at 175 max KW/H rate. The NMC versions of the Model Y and 3 charge 250 KW/H rates. So, NMC batteries do charge more quickly, but in the real world, the difference is negligible. Both versions of the battery slow down charging to about the same rates within a few minutes.
I understand your point that 800V systems have the potential to charge more quickly, but that may not materialize in the real world.
I think you would have more effectively made your point if you had mentioned that the new semi-solid state and solid-state batteries will have the ability to charge far more quickly than current battery chemistries. Just having a higher voltage platform does not guarantee faster charging speeds.
I readily admit I am not an expert on the theoretical charging speed differences between 400V and 800V systems, but just having more voltage does not guarantee that any battery will charge faster. We see this in Makita and DeWalt charging tools, which have higher voltages but do not charge faster than 18V Milwaukee tools. The chemistry and design of the batteries in these tools are what affect charging speeds the most.
800V Platforms may indeed have more theoretical potential to charge faster, but that does not translate to real-world charging speeds.
BTW, the most advanced battery in mass production in the world is CATL's semi-solid-state battery, and it is an LFP battery. Supposedly it will fully charge in 15 minutes. I don't know what voltage platform produces that rate, but I do guarantee you that this battery will be in high-performance EVs very soon.
@@AlexanderAddamsTesla sales are dropping like a stone. Not helped by having a crazy creepy CEO.
Love how no one mentions the ev5. I know is delayed and am waiting, but the comparison should be with that, not the ev9. What I want to know is that if I'm getting screwed buying the ev5 built in china or is the ev3 built in korea better
i think korean product is better
@@jappa748I beg the differ.
@@freetorobandloot China is copying others, stealing technology, and slightly applying it to disrupt the market, but who are the low-IQ people who buy Chinese products?
@@freetorobandloot are u chinese?😅
@@sis-l1i no, are you Korean?
I'd buy it ... if there were half-decent fast chargers nearby (more than just 2 within 10km).
Will be 10-15k more than BYD
Light and bright interior … looks ok
I set in both the Kia EV3 and the Atto3. I found the Atto3 to give a much more spatious feeling. Main reason to choose the atto3 in the end was the LFP battery. Saver, no runaway effect. No Kobalt, more load cycles.
LFP are more prone to runaway due to low C rate capacity handle....
So Hyundai Kona electric sister? If this is over 50k forget it.
Exterior looks good
It is not the first small SUV electric with vehicle to load heard of the atto it has it.
Looks like it’ll cost around 60-80k
If that is true it's DOA
half that.
That can't be true if the current Ioniq 5 and EV6 are 60-80k. This will be 40-60k to compete with the RAV4.
EV3 GT with 500hp + for 50000€ ??????
Kia, bring it on!
I appreciate the car but citizens of third world countries like Canada will not be able to afford until a really stripped down version is made. Forego the alloy wheels (put hub caps on 15” wheels), wireless chargers, sunroof, power tailgate and seats, cruise control and on and on and look! It’s now under $30k.
Probably better built than a BYD and way better than a Tesla. It’ll also have good parts availability and service here in Australia. I can’t wait!! Let’s hope the price is reasonable.
Inferior battery chemistry alone makes this car a dud.
No vehicle brand has a warehouse full of spare parts in Australia, Andrew. They all need to come from overseas. It took a month to get a front bumper for my Toyota camry.
BYD'S vehicle quality is on par with Kia's vehicles sold in Australia and al BYD vehicles sold here have a 5 star ANCAP safety rating, so my advice is to actually go to a BYD showroom and maybe have a test drive, open and close the doors and inspect all the vehicle's panel gaps for consistency instead of just retyping what you have read by other ignorant people.
The ev3 uses ncm while byd uses chepo lfp. The lfp was supposed to be used for ess not for vehicles
@@EastWood2004 No the EV3 GT trim uses NMC. The Air trim uses LFP. That's how most EVs go. The base versions save money while having longer lasting life but the bigger battery versions use NMC which usually have faster charging, more range and better throughput but less safety and doesn't last as long or you have to think about how you charge them more.
@@EastWood2004lfp is cheaper and has less dense energy density but much safer. I will take lfp over mnc all day. I will never buy an ev with mnc.
Sorry, not getting any EV with NMC batteries.
This is only the GT model. The base air model has LFP.
I came to review Jacob
Yes it needs to be under 50.000 in Australia.....otherwise....people will go top brands that are 60.000 and over ,.....or customers will opt for the cheap invasion of chinese, predicted for 2025
Goodone Daddy Jacob!
Must release noe not b..y 2026
I want
Decent specs for an EV, that battery capacity should alleviate some range anxiety, 600 + k is impressive. I take it there was no spare wheel ? I think they could have put a bit more body design into the front of the vehicle, it looks a little “ boxy” for my taste. Otherwise it’s pretty impressive. Well done KIA - the price will determine its popularity I think.
My Tesla Model Y has averaged 7.4 km/kWh since new so this Kia is not that efficient. This Kia will be way too expensive here in Australia. The onslaught of Chinese EVs will kill these manufacturers.
You bought a creepy Musk.mobile 😂😂😂
❤it. How much?
If someone was driving me with their hand or hands were on the bottom quadrants of the steering wheel I would ask them to stop and let me out, Dangerous!
What i see for now there are few reasons, one is the steering wheeel's control butooms took a lots of space and feel too thic out, not so ergonomic, another reason is maybe the drive assistance let him off guard, the last one is it was a bad drive habit.
Hilarous pricing
dude you are buff
Nice PRX ;)
Looking good but unfortunately Kia has been notoriously out-pricing their ev - always. Byd killer you said- unlikely unless super affordable even so I don’t think want to call their car cheep as they been desperately uplifting their image as quality prestige car.
Yessss it looks ok.. Toyota look see stop making ugly ev's
Saucy?
FWD? next
KIA makes better cars than parent company Hyundai.
Doesn’t the Chinese competition completely destroy this joke of a car? NCM is a highly flammable and unsafe. And the price would be very high. The Koreans are very much behind in EVs.
Atto 3 with 60kwh gets 480km WLTP so this Kia with similar pack with NCM chemistry only 420. Forget it.
Yep BYD blade battery outclasses Koreans, but this has nicer design.
@Whyunounderstand don't forget brand plays a huge part of consumers choice. Look at iPhone no where near the best spec'd phone or feature filled, still sell millions...flooding of Chinese models will not likely lead to more EV sales in Australia.
design means nothing when its melted to nothing@@Whyunounderstand
NCM is not highly flammable and unsafe. EVs with this chemistry have marginally higher fire risk, but still far less than gas or diesel or hybrid vehicles. The main downside to NMC is that for longevity, it's best to limit regular charging to 80% or 90%. LFP batteries can be regularly charged to 100% with minimal impact on battery life.
Atto3 wltp is 420km. 480km is nedc
Love you from chaddi
Gross
Come home to a real fire buy an EV.
Looks awful
Nah Atto3 is very safe😉
Meh Kia is overpriced and quality is also poor for what your paying. Like their EV9, compare it to the Xpeng x9. No comparison!
68 grand driveway I bet