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Karna is easily the most NERFED Servant among all Servants. Especially how there arent a lot of legends of Karna wielding Vasavi Shakti. Which basically means he is without the popularity boost of his legends. If Vasavi Shakti and Brahmastra Kundala are classified as Anti-Army Noble Phantasms... He isnt even at his FULL POWER. Summoning him as an Archer with Vijaya Dhanush would be horrifyingly powerful
Any Indian diety in general if not nerfed in games would break the balance.... As per the hindu mythology Creation god Brambha creared 3 weapons 1.Brambhastra represents one out of 4 heads of brambha and is capable of destroying planets. 2.Brambhsheeirsh astra represents 2 heads of bramha and could destroy galaxies... and 3. Bramhand astra represents all 4 heads of Brambha and is capable of destroying the entire kalp/multiverse and he is not even considered that powerful when compared to Vishnu and Shiva.
@Arjuna - Son of Indra the king of god's Karna doesn't have Vaishnavastra and Pashupata since three versions of those exists and Mahadeva and Krishna granted Arjuna a unique version that can destroy the world at maximum output. And about mocking Vedas, they can't have really Hundu Mythological characters overpowering hero of other pantheons, they will also complain that they personally mocked thier religion. They have to do this to keep the game balanced and fair.
i do wonder why they made Karna's NP into Electric lazer of destruction instead of how he uses Vasavi shakti in every other fate work he's in even in Fate/Extra CCC vasavi shakti is the nuke lazer aimed at the earth that we all know and love
Remember, that monster is what killed Amaterasu and the Machine Gods. And there's Karna, nerfed by being a Heroic Spirit, and he's able to stand against her- even if for but a moment. Most Heroic Spirits would run, try to hide, or find someway to imprison the White Titan. But Karna? He was like, "Naah, I think I can put that in a box."
@KARNA- Son of the Sun god. Pretty sure Sefar would curb-stomp Gil. He'd probably only take a limb at best. Now, if we're talking _living_ Gilgamesh, then... well, that's a different story.
@@Ohimeshinso well Gilgamesh is the most powerful heroic spirit IF he goes serious but thats not happening unless enkidu is around so yeah karna could beat gil if he caught him of guard.
It is highly implied karna defeats sephar by the rolling credits. At the end it shows the timeline is saved and continues. Though this was not the mature stage of sephar, its impressive karna defeated multiple enemies without using his np before his fight against sephar.
@@bluemoon9683 That Sephyr is hardly timeline ending. It's only 3rd Stage which I don't even think Gil could beat anyway. Gil is the strongest NORMAL Heroic Spirit. Throw in the Servants that break rules and shouldn't be Servants normally like the Extra Classes or the Divine Spirit Servants and it's a whole other ballgame.
@@CalebPorter1105 Every timeline is existant in Natsuverse. Doesn't matter if its main ending or not. The world allows multiple timelines aka possibilities to exists bcz thats what the human order is all about. Gil is the strongest normal servant but that doesn't mean karna cant beat him. Multiple times hes stated to be on his lvl. Though i'd give gil a slight edge overall.
Who would be stronger? that karna or ccc gilgamesh with all their buffs, additional skills, all their full skills (even class ones) genesis code, Ten Crowns and full power enuma elish?
Honestly the game was really lazy when it came to the side stories. Just a few missions that mostly don't even revolve around your protag interacting with them since the whole time you're only stuck with 3 girls for the main story. They just do their own weird thing and you can complete them so quickly. You can't even bloody chat it up with them in the lobby, they're just like 'lets head out already'. I hope Extella Link improved on these side features a lot more.
Bro, where did he kill her. It doesn't even show the result. This is like when Gil says he can kill someone anytime he wants and then proceeds to get obliterated by a high school boy.
@@CalebPorter1105 Gil puts up a way better display in Fate/Strange Fake. It's being animated by a studio i have little faith in and they've even delayed the release, but the teaser looks promising
@@juicecan6450 Yes, but this is still when comparing him to other NORMAL SERVANTS. He literally does nothing to Divine Spirits, Beasts, Sephyr, etc. He might be "generally" the strongest Servant but that doesn't even mean he can beat all of them. It's more like if you were to put every single Servant up against every single other Servant then Gil would probably have the highest win rate but only because he has 90% of heroes perfect counters but there are still some that are stronger than him that would have a lower win rate because they can't just GoB spam to victory.
why are u guys reacting so much to Karna's remark towards the white titan.he simply said that the white titan is more magnificent than Kalki "according to him" !!!!.it can be magnificent not powerful.besides he can't possibly truly compare since it Kalki hasn't even appeared.Kalki is supposed to appear in future as a judgement day of hinduism
To make things even more badass, remember that he can only use the Vasavi Shakti ONCE. That's it. So he had to go through his entire sub-story without using his best weapon (cuz he needs to save it for Sephyr), including clashing with Gilgamesh, Altera, etc.
To put it bluntly forward, Karna is one of the strongest Servants outside of Moon Crux (the non-Regalia Mode) alongside Lu Bu and Gawain but when in Moon Crux he basically is stronger than every other Servant in the entire game. Brahmastra (the beam) hits so hard that just two successful hits can essentially force opposing Servants who got hit to enter Moon Crux/Regalia Mode. It gets even wackier since when he's in Moon Crux Mode, Brahmastra does nearly 30-35% of the opposing Servant's total HP at the bare least around Lvl 50 and it hits stupidly hard. What makes it Karna ultimately stronger than Lu Bu is that while Lu Bu has something like super armor on his attacks once you get moving, Karna's Kavacha and Kundala also have some minor effects on himself. They actually reduce a fair amount of damage taken which is pretty nice...considering that getting near Gilgamesh is a pain since the King of Heroes likes to spam GoB as a default plan.
Karna is widely regarded as Gilgamesh's only possible equal due to the sheer offensive and defensive power they both individually boast. Unlike Gil (who we are never actually told HOW he was sealed on the other side of the Moon Cell), Karna was heavily nerfed in CCC due to Jinako being unable to supply him with enough mana otherwise he would have killed your Servant in his battles against you in CCC with little ease. So far only a few 'normal' (as in originally regular Servants when summoned not Grand Servants who are on a higher tier than regular Servants for the most part or Beast Class Servants who are more or less immortal beings who require certain conditions to be met for them to be slain) can either stalemate or beat Gil. Enkidu is a sheer defensive draw. He/She/It knows everything that Gilgamesh has and has a counter to him. Gate of Babylon for Gate of Babylon and a defensive Enuma Elish for Gil's offensive Enuma Elish. Probably the only time we realize the former is in Gil's CG were the two used GoB on each other to a stalemate. Also the second time where both sides decide to use their aces against each other without a delay (the first being Fate/Zero where Gilgamesh and Iskandar went all out in their final encounter). That battle that Gil and Enkidu had needs to be animated somehow in good quality. True Archer (Alcides) who also is part Avenger and part Archer is 'technically' stronger than Gil due to the Goddess of War Noble Phantasm allowing him to easily match if not overpower Gate of Babylon while Reincarnation Pandora allows him to steal or take control over an enemy's Noble Phantasm (if he can obtain it somehow). Stating that only Ea (or Enuma Elish) can make him (Gilgamesh) his (True Archer) equal. Said Goddess of War apparently allows True Archer to tank a megaton punch into a mountain at close range without defending and coming out without so much of a scratch. Karna (apparently he was also originally meant to represent Gilgamesh's equal in his Apocrypha version) is likely more of an accurate equal if not dead close to being Gilgamesh's only real equal. Kavacha and Kundala reduce all physical, magical and conceptual damage he takes by 90% of the original value and so far the only way around it was shown when Lancer of Black (Vlad) used his own NP to attack Karna from inside his body (not that it phased Karna). The armor is more likely than enough to tank GoB repeatedly due to it's near nigh indestructible durability whereas Gil's armor has a set limit to how much it can handle, neither completely renders attacks null just reduces the damage taken to an absurd degree if it's not exceedingly powerful (Gil) or from the inside (Karna). Gate of Babylon is at most an A++ Rank Anti-Unit (or better terms an Anti-Army) Noble Phantasm, which apparently makes Gil count as an Archer due to it shooting projectiles in the form of proto-Noble Phantasms that he owns (he doesn't own EVERY Noble Phantasm as said weapons must exist while he was alive as such Altera obtained Photon Ray (the sword) before Gil was born and Vasavi Shakti was never utilized by Karna in his myth in the Nasuverse, due to it being 'fairy' related, Avalon also isn't in his vault.) Enuma Elish (the overcharged function which Gil most likely would use against Karna) is EX Ranked at Anti-World. The overall damage probably wouldn't kill Karna but the conceptual power might do more than just rip off his arms and legs. On Karna's side, Brahmastra Kundala is an A+ Anti-Country Noble Phantasm (which nearly killed Ruler and overpowered another Servant's (Siegfried) Noble Phantasm at the same time), easily qualified for Anti-Army if the power can wreck something the size of a country. Vasavi Shakti is an EX Rank Anti-God/Anti-Divine Noble Phantasm that has increased power against God/Divine Spirits, at the sheer cost of losing his invincible armor, said spear is said to be the ultimate spear to exist and the power to kill it's target in a single blow when properly used. End result in an all-out battle where both sides only use their strongest Noble Phantasm in a fair battle, Vasavi Shakti kills Gilgamesh due to the properties it possesses and it's absurd power while Enuma Elish murders Karna (both due to the intense damage it generates and the conceptual might would kill Karna at the moment) since he lost his armor. It's a stalemate at the very least. Ozymandias only serves as a possible counter if he get's his Reality Marble up first, likewise for most cases. King Arthur (Prototype) possibly can either stalemate or win depending on what the actual classification of his Noble Phantasm is (it's not even identified yet although when used at about 50% - 90% it's been treated as an Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm). The Rank ranges from E to EX, whenever faced with a powerful opponent, the effective Rank is naturally EX Rank. Notably lacks Avalon so no solid defense against Enuma Elish if Excalibur Proto fails. That was a lot of text...
Saby chand it does sound like bullshit karna (in his full power in the lore ) was a maharathi and Bhishma was a athimaharathi one athi maharathi can take on 12 maharathi and Krishna the 8th Avatar of Vishnu was a mahamaharathi one mahamaharathi can take on 24 athimaharathi and Kalki is 10th Avatar of Vishnu who is suppose to be the strongest how can he in any way be weaker than karna who is severely nerfed
Heroes can't be at their full power if they go past certain divinity levels. It's like how Heracles can literally lift the earth and is as powerful as a god, but he has to be weakened because heroes cannot be summoned as gods. Another good example is that Rama is significantly weakened because he has to be summoned before he turned into a god, or before he fully manifested as Vishnu's Avatar, likewise with any other character from different mythologies. Karna is already as strong as he is especially sinced this is kindaalready his nerfed state. Getting mad that your hero isn't as strong as he's supposed to be, is part of the system that the story works around. If people could summon gods then there would be no point in heroes.
Bhisma was no atimaharathi. The best wank you can find for him is being equal to two maharathis, which is also a rank sometimes attributed to Karna and Arjun. Anyways, take note this is Karna just describing something that he sees as more "magnificent", and if not for Nasuverse shenanigans he shouldn't even have seen Kalki yet. It's an opinionated statement and doesn't directly compare the two in strength. Nevertheless even if it did, this bullerman titan has the passive skill which is able to counter literally everything that uses mana or concepts. And unfortunately the ancients gods are mostly "concepts, phenomenon" (Da Vinci's explanation in fgo) so they suffered defeat despite them possibly having more fire power. Nasuverse powerscales truly runs on compatibility. It could draw the lines from humans beating a dead apostle to a caveman carrying Excalibur and one-shotting the titan of destruction.
He's not.He's fighting on Hakuno's side because he remembers the events of CCC (which are canonical to Extella due to Extra happening in the Near side of the Moon, and CCC happenning in the Far Side of the Moon... which makes the two games more like parallel dimensions rather an alternate timelines). Similarly in the Extella continuity Tamamo was thrown into the Far Side of the Moon by the SE.RA.PH before managing to return and finding the Soul of Hakuno. This is why the Tamamo Nine exist in Extella as well.
Tamamo's. Extella followed a theme where Nero was given a bunch of Extra servants while Tamamo was given a collection of a pair of CCC servants (only one missing is Caster Hans actually and Gilgamesh who is instead part of Altera's faction), a Fate Stay night character and an Extra character to round up the faction. Personally I'd given Medusa to Nero's faction and instead had Lu Bu and Li Shuwen as part of Tamamo's. That way the non-CCC characters would have been all Chinese-inspired to make most of Tamamo's faction Oriental-based (since Tamamo is Japanese and Karna is Indian). This factions all change in Extella Link with a new rival faction taking place of the former triumvirate of factions. Apparently some of the former generals of Nero and Tamamo defect to it as well.
In indian culture, karna's role comes as part of ethihasas. Not a purana, to be make it clear, he is a historical figure' Like jesus or mohammad or gautama buddha. You don't put them on do you? On the other hand, people like hercules etc who are of supernatural side in greek myths are simply just a mythology the name hercules originated from the word hari kula isha when being pronounced by a foreign accent which is an another name of lord krishna hence he is depicted as lifting the weight of earth. Mahabharata however is Not a myth. vishnu is the god of hinduism. So please try not to give half assed info misleadingly while alternatively saying they are not connected. Public impression of an imposter form of vishnu can really cause the hindu community to get wrong ideas. So yes its an insult. I love anime and how they emphazised karna, but kalki is on a different level hun, its under his feet the universe spins, he is a predicted future figure similar to christ/krishna ressurection
Calm down.....this is to make us Indians get interested in this game.....cuz even though I watched fate/stay night years ago, the state of the country is that fgo has not been released yet. People have completed the final battle years ago and I am still waiting for the English version on Google Play. To get more Indians to experience nasuverse, this statement was put forth. No one has seen Kalki, certainly not karna so ofcourse he can only make wild assumption. Plus the umbral star is kinda like a TYPE, earthly concepts,no matter how mundane or grand, do not affect it the same way
BTW, they DID made Buddha into a Servant. Play Fate/Extra. The final battle is against the Servant "Saver", who's True Name is revealed to be Buddha. In fact, the Saver class of Servants is composed of prophets and saviors. Which is probably why they haven't been used in any games other than Extra and Extra CCC. And you know, in Exte;;a and Apocrypha the Servant Jeanne is the actual Saint Jeanne d'Arc, so try to be less salty about your prophets and historical figures being used as inspiration here? They've done it to several others and they don't discriminate either.
It's not a insult as velber is powerful in her own right who nearly wiped all gods in og timeline besides lb5.now kalki is really strong signifying the end of humanity and a new cycle but kalki will definitely match the same feats as velber.also karna acknowledges the magnificence not power.and seeing it.it's truly magnificent and i would truly want to watch kalki like that.
Vishnu= means all things that exist /will exist /and have existed literally everything in the universe immortal undying unending so please japan do some research before you Mega Nerf our epic heroes.
every hero gets the divinity nerf. all heroes can't be summoned in their god form because then you'd be summoning a god not a hero. Same reason why Heracles isn't as strong as he's supposed to be.
Herakles didn't carry the world during his demi-human days. He tricked Atlas into helping him. And technically Herakles should have been immortal, not just semi-divine, because he was granted Godhood at the end of his ordeals. But the Servant system doesn't allows the Divine to be summoned as Servants because they are too powerful an existence for the World to sustain for large periods of time. Instead, Heroic Spirits, the mortal heroes of mankind, are summoned as Servants and protectors of civilization. The Divinities only make their power known during extremely rare events like the Velber 01, 02 and 03 invasion, where Velber 02 was defeated by the power of a Holy Sword. Also, please take the idea of Karna fighting Velber 02 with a grain of salt here. This "WHite Titan" is a pale imitation of it's original. The game itself describes it as a shadow of it's former self that the Moon Cell contained inside a blocked off sector. The "True" White Titan was defeated in the far past. That's why Altera doesn't try to invade the Earth again, instead trying to take over the Moon Cell to place a beacon for the Umbral Star to send reinforcements.
@KARNA- Son of the Sun god. bro before you start hatin keep your delusions and bias in check before you realize ur favorite toy got checked by a half-dead homonculus and a theatric narcissist that never actually used a sword historically. And im not even tryna disrespect Karna. I'm just pointing out how YOU sound like.
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God damn it Karna, you are not suppose to be that epic!
Oh, wait, you are.
He's supposed to be MORE EPIC.
Fate nerfed him, big time.
@KARNA- Son of the Sun god. ua-cam.com/video/R-0tj61zo_0/v-deo.html
Karna is easily the most NERFED Servant among all Servants. Especially how there arent a lot of legends of Karna wielding Vasavi Shakti. Which basically means he is without the popularity boost of his legends.
If Vasavi Shakti and Brahmastra Kundala are classified as Anti-Army Noble Phantasms... He isnt even at his FULL POWER.
Summoning him as an Archer with Vijaya Dhanush would be horrifyingly powerful
Karna too OP bruh
Persona Grand yeah they had to make him win or they have to make him a villian
Any Indian diety in general if not nerfed in games would break the balance....
As per the hindu mythology Creation god Brambha creared 3 weapons 1.Brambhastra represents one out of 4 heads of brambha and is capable of destroying planets.
2.Brambhsheeirsh astra represents 2 heads of bramha and could destroy galaxies... and
3. Bramhand astra represents all 4 heads of Brambha and is capable of destroying the entire kalp/multiverse and he is not even considered that powerful when compared to Vishnu and Shiva.
and every major character in Hindu mithology is capable of using two out of the three weapons of Brambha...
@Arjuna - Son of Indra the king of god's Karna doesn't have Vaishnavastra and Pashupata since three versions of those exists and Mahadeva and Krishna granted Arjuna a unique version that can destroy the world at maximum output. And about mocking Vedas, they can't have really Hundu Mythological characters overpowering hero of other pantheons, they will also complain that they personally mocked thier religion. They have to do this to keep the game balanced and fair.
His spear looks more like a big sword
Agree
why does the son of sun god karna look like he is going through emo phase?
The Navitro Because he hasn't been out in the sun for a while
The Navitro since in legend the whole world kind a bullying him now he being emo
The Navitro lmao
He has a better design in G/O and Apocrypha.
Sin sama Its still virtually the same
i do wonder why they made Karna's NP into Electric lazer of destruction instead of how he uses Vasavi shakti in every other fate work he's in
even in Fate/Extra CCC vasavi shakti is the nuke lazer aimed at the earth that we all know and love
he uses mana burst flame + VS in other works. Originally it should be lightning
Remember, that monster is what killed Amaterasu and the Machine Gods. And there's Karna, nerfed by being a Heroic Spirit, and he's able to stand against her- even if for but a moment.
Most Heroic Spirits would run, try to hide, or find someway to imprison the White Titan. But Karna? He was like, "Naah, I think I can put that in a box."
@KARNA- Son of the Sun god. Pretty sure Sefar would curb-stomp Gil. He'd probably only take a limb at best.
Now, if we're talking _living_ Gilgamesh, then... well, that's a different story.
@@Ohimeshinso well Gilgamesh is the most powerful heroic spirit IF he goes serious but thats not happening unless enkidu is around so yeah karna could beat gil if he caught him of guard.
It is highly implied karna defeats sephar by the rolling credits. At the end it shows the timeline is saved and continues. Though this was not the mature stage of sephar, its impressive karna defeated multiple enemies without using his np before his fight against sephar.
@@bluemoon9683 That Sephyr is hardly timeline ending. It's only 3rd Stage which I don't even think Gil could beat anyway. Gil is the strongest NORMAL Heroic Spirit. Throw in the Servants that break rules and shouldn't be Servants normally like the Extra Classes or the Divine Spirit Servants and it's a whole other ballgame.
@@CalebPorter1105 Every timeline is existant in Natsuverse. Doesn't matter if its main ending or not. The world allows multiple timelines aka possibilities to exists bcz thats what the human order is all about. Gil is the strongest normal servant but that doesn't mean karna cant beat him. Multiple times hes stated to be on his lvl. Though i'd give gil a slight edge overall.
They should've made a legit Fate Anime not planetary level, but cosmic, would've gained so much potential. And no I'm not talking about a game (ccc)
Who would be stronger? that karna or ccc gilgamesh with all their buffs, additional skills, all their full skills (even class ones) genesis code, Ten Crowns and full power enuma elish?
@@oberonvortigern231 Face value Gilgamesh. Conceptually, Karna.
Honestly the game was really lazy when it came to the side stories. Just a few missions that mostly don't even revolve around your protag interacting with them since the whole time you're only stuck with 3 girls for the main story. They just do their own weird thing and you can complete them so quickly. You can't even bloody chat it up with them in the lobby, they're just like 'lets head out already'. I hope Extella Link improved on these side features a lot more.
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One of the few characters to kill a sefar
Bro, where did he kill her. It doesn't even show the result. This is like when Gil says he can kill someone anytime he wants and then proceeds to get obliterated by a high school boy.
@@CalebPorter1105 its implied that he won in the end credits
@@altirius It's implied Gilgamesh is the strongest Heroic Spirit. Yet he gets shit on in every series he's in.
@@CalebPorter1105 Gil puts up a way better display in Fate/Strange Fake. It's being animated by a studio i have little faith in and they've even delayed the release, but the teaser looks promising
@@juicecan6450 Yes, but this is still when comparing him to other NORMAL SERVANTS. He literally does nothing to Divine Spirits, Beasts, Sephyr, etc. He might be "generally" the strongest Servant but that doesn't even mean he can beat all of them. It's more like if you were to put every single Servant up against every single other Servant then Gil would probably have the highest win rate but only because he has 90% of heroes perfect counters but there are still some that are stronger than him that would have a lower win rate because they can't just GoB spam to victory.
why are u guys reacting so much to Karna's remark towards the white titan.he simply said that the white titan is more magnificent than Kalki "according to him" !!!!.it can be magnificent not powerful.besides he can't possibly truly compare since it Kalki hasn't even appeared.Kalki is supposed to appear in future as a judgement day of hinduism
Kalki couldn’t possibly hope to defeat an alien catastrophe so far from logic. Not even Amaterasu could hurt her enough to kill. Anime bro.
@@oreobox5715 kalki is male character in mythology
@@Noone-gz8li sefar. Not Kalki. Haha you thought I meant Kalki? 😂 Sorry should have worded it better!
Literally Ragna the fucking Bloodedge.
WTF I was told this guy was nerfed from last game
Hand Banana
One does not simply nerf the literal half god that is Karna. Heck, one of his noble phantasms became his EYE.
Hand Banana last game (Fate/Extra CCC) he was nerfed because his master was a newbie magician. In this game he has no one to hold him back now.
To make things even more badass, remember that he can only use the Vasavi Shakti ONCE. That's it. So he had to go through his entire sub-story without using his best weapon (cuz he needs to save it for Sephyr), including clashing with Gilgamesh, Altera, etc.
To put it bluntly forward, Karna is one of the strongest Servants outside of Moon Crux (the non-Regalia Mode) alongside Lu Bu and Gawain but when in Moon Crux he basically is stronger than every other Servant in the entire game. Brahmastra (the beam) hits so hard that just two successful hits can essentially force opposing Servants who got hit to enter Moon Crux/Regalia Mode. It gets even wackier since when he's in Moon Crux Mode, Brahmastra does nearly 30-35% of the opposing Servant's total HP at the bare least around Lvl 50 and it hits stupidly hard. What makes it Karna ultimately stronger than Lu Bu is that while Lu Bu has something like super armor on his attacks once you get moving, Karna's Kavacha and Kundala also have some minor effects on himself. They actually reduce a fair amount of damage taken which is pretty nice...considering that getting near Gilgamesh is a pain since the King of Heroes likes to spam GoB as a default plan.
Karna is widely regarded as Gilgamesh's only possible equal due to the sheer offensive and defensive power they both individually boast. Unlike Gil (who we are never actually told HOW he was sealed on the other side of the Moon Cell), Karna was heavily nerfed in CCC due to Jinako being unable to supply him with enough mana otherwise he would have killed your Servant in his battles against you in CCC with little ease.
So far only a few 'normal' (as in originally regular Servants when summoned not Grand Servants who are on a higher tier than regular Servants for the most part or Beast Class Servants who are more or less immortal beings who require certain conditions to be met for them to be slain) can either stalemate or beat Gil.
Enkidu is a sheer defensive draw. He/She/It knows everything that Gilgamesh has and has a counter to him. Gate of Babylon for Gate of Babylon and a defensive Enuma Elish for Gil's offensive Enuma Elish. Probably the only time we realize the former is in Gil's CG were the two used GoB on each other to a stalemate. Also the second time where both sides decide to use their aces against each other without a delay (the first being Fate/Zero where Gilgamesh and Iskandar went all out in their final encounter). That battle that Gil and Enkidu had needs to be animated somehow in good quality.
True Archer (Alcides) who also is part Avenger and part Archer is 'technically' stronger than Gil due to the Goddess of War Noble Phantasm allowing him to easily match if not overpower Gate of Babylon while Reincarnation Pandora allows him to steal or take control over an enemy's Noble Phantasm (if he can obtain it somehow). Stating that only Ea (or Enuma Elish) can make him (Gilgamesh) his (True Archer) equal. Said Goddess of War apparently allows True Archer to tank a megaton punch into a mountain at close range without defending and coming out without so much of a scratch.
Karna (apparently he was also originally meant to represent Gilgamesh's equal in his Apocrypha version) is likely more of an accurate equal if not dead close to being Gilgamesh's only real equal. Kavacha and Kundala reduce all physical, magical and conceptual damage he takes by 90% of the original value and so far the only way around it was shown when Lancer of Black (Vlad) used his own NP to attack Karna from inside his body (not that it phased Karna). The armor is more likely than enough to tank GoB repeatedly due to it's near nigh indestructible durability whereas Gil's armor has a set limit to how much it can handle, neither completely renders attacks null just reduces the damage taken to an absurd degree if it's not exceedingly powerful (Gil) or from the inside (Karna). Gate of Babylon is at most an A++ Rank Anti-Unit (or better terms an Anti-Army) Noble Phantasm, which apparently makes Gil count as an Archer due to it shooting projectiles in the form of proto-Noble Phantasms that he owns (he doesn't own EVERY Noble Phantasm as said weapons must exist while he was alive as such Altera obtained Photon Ray (the sword) before Gil was born and Vasavi Shakti was never utilized by Karna in his myth in the Nasuverse, due to it being 'fairy' related, Avalon also isn't in his vault.) Enuma Elish (the overcharged function which Gil most likely would use against Karna) is EX Ranked at Anti-World. The overall damage probably wouldn't kill Karna but the conceptual power might do more than just rip off his arms and legs. On Karna's side, Brahmastra Kundala is an A+ Anti-Country Noble Phantasm (which nearly killed Ruler and overpowered another Servant's (Siegfried) Noble Phantasm at the same time), easily qualified for Anti-Army if the power can wreck something the size of a country. Vasavi Shakti is an EX Rank Anti-God/Anti-Divine Noble Phantasm that has increased power against God/Divine Spirits, at the sheer cost of losing his invincible armor, said spear is said to be the ultimate spear to exist and the power to kill it's target in a single blow when properly used. End result in an all-out battle where both sides only use their strongest Noble Phantasm in a fair battle, Vasavi Shakti kills Gilgamesh due to the properties it possesses and it's absurd power while Enuma Elish murders Karna (both due to the intense damage it generates and the conceptual might would kill Karna at the moment) since he lost his armor. It's a stalemate at the very least.
Ozymandias only serves as a possible counter if he get's his Reality Marble up first, likewise for most cases.
King Arthur (Prototype) possibly can either stalemate or win depending on what the actual classification of his Noble Phantasm is (it's not even identified yet although when used at about 50% - 90% it's been treated as an Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm). The Rank ranges from E to EX, whenever faced with a powerful opponent, the effective Rank is naturally EX Rank. Notably lacks Avalon so no solid defense against Enuma Elish if Excalibur Proto fails.
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Karna can kill the titan but Kalki can't ?
Vishal Maraj i am pretty sure that was just for hyping it up
Saby chand it does sound like bullshit karna (in his full power in the lore ) was a maharathi and Bhishma was a athimaharathi one athi maharathi can take on 12 maharathi and Krishna the 8th Avatar of Vishnu was a mahamaharathi one mahamaharathi can take on 24 athimaharathi and Kalki is 10th Avatar of Vishnu who is suppose to be the strongest how can he in any way be weaker than karna who is severely nerfed
Saby chand I agree
Heroes can't be at their full power if they go past certain divinity levels. It's like how Heracles can literally lift the earth and is as powerful as a god, but he has to be weakened because heroes cannot be summoned as gods. Another good example is that Rama is significantly weakened because he has to be summoned before he turned into a god, or before he fully manifested as Vishnu's Avatar, likewise with any other character from different mythologies.
Karna is already as strong as he is especially sinced this is kindaalready his nerfed state. Getting mad that your hero isn't as strong as he's supposed to be, is part of the system that the story works around. If people could summon gods then there would be no point in heroes.
Bhisma was no atimaharathi. The best wank you can find for him is being equal to two maharathis, which is also a rank sometimes attributed to Karna and Arjun.
Anyways, take note this is Karna just describing something that he sees as more "magnificent", and if not for Nasuverse shenanigans he shouldn't even have seen Kalki yet. It's an opinionated statement and doesn't directly compare the two in strength.
Nevertheless even if it did, this bullerman titan has the passive skill which is able to counter literally everything that uses mana or concepts. And unfortunately the ancients gods are mostly "concepts, phenomenon" (Da Vinci's explanation in fgo) so they suffered defeat despite them possibly having more fire power. Nasuverse powerscales truly runs on compatibility. It could draw the lines from humans beating a dead apostle to a caveman carrying Excalibur and one-shotting the titan of destruction.
Why is Gilgamesh fighting on altera's side
He's not.He's fighting on Hakuno's side because he remembers the events of CCC (which are canonical to Extella due to Extra happening in the Near side of the Moon, and CCC happenning in the Far Side of the Moon... which makes the two games more like parallel dimensions rather an alternate timelines). Similarly in the Extella continuity Tamamo was thrown into the Far Side of the Moon by the SE.RA.PH before managing to return and finding the Soul of Hakuno. This is why the Tamamo Nine exist in Extella as well.
@@LeonGun8 then who's side is karna fighting on?
Tamamo's. Extella followed a theme where Nero was given a bunch of Extra servants while Tamamo was given a collection of a pair of CCC servants (only one missing is Caster Hans actually and Gilgamesh who is instead part of Altera's faction), a Fate Stay night character and an Extra character to round up the faction. Personally I'd given Medusa to Nero's faction and instead had Lu Bu and Li Shuwen as part of Tamamo's. That way the non-CCC characters would have been all Chinese-inspired to make most of Tamamo's faction Oriental-based (since Tamamo is Japanese and Karna is Indian).
This factions all change in Extella Link with a new rival faction taking place of the former triumvirate of factions. Apparently some of the former generals of Nero and Tamamo defect to it as well.
Because the White Titan spared his father.
@@tronovonflidder775 nah that's the reason as to why he didnt kill Altera.
Did he won?
We still don't know he won or not till this day :'(
@@EmiyasvielvonEinzbern ahhh that sucks
prob not
In indian culture, karna's role comes as part of ethihasas. Not a purana, to be make it clear, he is a historical figure' Like jesus or mohammad or gautama buddha. You don't put them on do you? On the other hand, people like hercules etc who are of supernatural side in greek myths are simply just a mythology the name hercules originated from the word hari kula isha when being pronounced by a foreign accent which is an another name of lord krishna hence he is depicted as lifting the weight of earth. Mahabharata however is Not a myth. vishnu is the god of hinduism. So please try not to give half assed info misleadingly while alternatively saying they are not connected. Public impression of an imposter form of vishnu can really cause the hindu community to get wrong ideas. So yes its an insult. I love anime and how they emphazised karna, but kalki is on a different level hun, its under his feet the universe spins, he is a predicted future figure similar to christ/krishna ressurection
Calm down.....this is to make us Indians get interested in this game.....cuz even though I watched fate/stay night years ago, the state of the country is that fgo has not been released yet. People have completed the final battle years ago and I am still waiting for the English version on Google Play.
To get more Indians to experience nasuverse, this statement was put forth.
No one has seen Kalki, certainly not karna so ofcourse he can only make wild assumption.
Plus the umbral star is kinda like a TYPE, earthly concepts,no matter how mundane or grand, do not affect it the same way
BTW, they DID made Buddha into a Servant. Play Fate/Extra. The final battle is against the Servant "Saver", who's True Name is revealed to be Buddha. In fact, the Saver class of Servants is composed of prophets and saviors. Which is probably why they haven't been used in any games other than Extra and Extra CCC.
And you know, in Exte;;a and Apocrypha the Servant Jeanne is the actual Saint Jeanne d'Arc, so try to be less salty about your prophets and historical figures being used as inspiration here? They've done it to several others and they don't discriminate either.
@@LeonGun8 I want Jesus in the game!
It's not a insult as velber is powerful in her own right who nearly wiped all gods in og timeline besides lb5.now kalki is really strong signifying the end of humanity and a new cycle but kalki will definitely match the same feats as velber.also karna acknowledges the magnificence not power.and seeing it.it's truly magnificent and i would truly want to watch kalki like that.
Krishna Mathur Dude, literally everyone in here is supposed to be nerfed so the world doesn’t get destroyed infinite times over.
Vishnu= means all things that exist /will exist /and have existed literally everything in the universe immortal undying unending so please japan do some research before you Mega Nerf our epic heroes.
every hero gets the divinity nerf. all heroes can't be summoned in their god form because then you'd be summoning a god not a hero. Same reason why Heracles isn't as strong as he's supposed to be.
Vishal Maraj
Hercules cant carry the world either. All Servants are mega nerfed.
Herakles didn't carry the world during his demi-human days. He tricked Atlas into helping him. And technically Herakles should have been immortal, not just semi-divine, because he was granted Godhood at the end of his ordeals. But the Servant system doesn't allows the Divine to be summoned as Servants because they are too powerful an existence for the World to sustain for large periods of time. Instead, Heroic Spirits, the mortal heroes of mankind, are summoned as Servants and protectors of civilization.
The Divinities only make their power known during extremely rare events like the Velber 01, 02 and 03 invasion, where Velber 02 was defeated by the power of a Holy Sword. Also, please take the idea of Karna fighting Velber 02 with a grain of salt here. This "WHite Titan" is a pale imitation of it's original. The game itself describes it as a shadow of it's former self that the Moon Cell contained inside a blocked off sector. The "True" White Titan was defeated in the far past. That's why Altera doesn't try to invade the Earth again, instead trying to take over the Moon Cell to place a beacon for the Umbral Star to send reinforcements.
@KARNA- Son of the Sun god. bro before you start hatin keep your delusions and bias in check before you realize ur favorite toy got checked by a half-dead homonculus and a theatric narcissist that never actually used a sword historically. And im not even tryna disrespect Karna. I'm just pointing out how YOU sound like.