Definitely. This man was part of a very dangerous gang. Why all the people gathered at the Old Bailey. The family should be ashamed of their family members, especially as he has been in trouble since he was 13.
But apparently police were not using info .if that were so and this was just an incident out of blue the video shows then this would be rough police challenge BUT court shows criminal history of crimes from childhood SO knew wasn't simply a member of society being challenged.
@@joprocter4573 As I understand it this was about the car. Not Kaba. They didn't know he was driving it. The police were actively looking for the Audi which was linked to recent shooting. That was the info they had. Armed officers were in unmarked cars in the area where they would be most likely to spot it. Which, of course, they did. They followed it - while getting a decision on what to do and while the other vehicles required to do it were getting in position - a coordinated effort to force the vehicle to stop (in a narrow street) and 'extract' the driver. Kaba knew he was being followed. He called his girlfriend to tell her - so had just as much time to work out what HIS tactics would be.
@@invisible123-l9d Sorry? Mr Kaba's history was not revealed in court. The judge ruled against that early on. It's only afterward that his record has been made known to the public. Including footage of him shooting another gang member in the leg, just days before he died.
I was in a public box in a court in Croydon .The defendants family were in the next box .They were shouting and cheering when the defense barrister made a point .The judge looked up ,looked uncomfortable, and looked down without saying a word . They were a black family .
Chantelle was a TRAINEE police officer who served for 18 Months. Police Training/Probation before being confirmed in the lowest Rank of Constable is 24 Months long. This shows.
So in reality, she failed as a police officer, no doubt with a chip on her shoulder. No deciding to try and be relevant, by using her race in a negative manner.
Exactly my thought process mate. You’re not confirmed to the position on constable until you have completed 2 years. She offers nothing to the table other than a lack of knowledge!
This woman showed herself to be biased when she ended by saying unarmed black men. She clearly is not thinking in a way that shows diversity. She quickly tried to gloss over what she said when it was pointed out. What would she do if faced with a split second decision? Would it matter what colour or ethnic background a criminal belonged to?
She had no argument, tried to rely purely on emotionally swaying people. "Shooting black people" "cozens & Carrick" They had intelligence the car had been involved in shootings, the suspect in the car tried to ram the police, the office reacted & fired once, unfortunately was fatal. Where were Kabas family, when he was shooting others??
Chantelle is an inexperienced police officer who had no argument, I guarantee she would've done the same thing in that situation. Also, nothing was mentioned about race until she brought it up - nice try there. Tony Long should have been cleared years ago
Miss Lunt keeps claiming that Azelle Rodney was “unarmed” Well, had he been arrested rather than shot, he would have been charged with possession of a firearm [amongst other charges]. He was without doubt, armed. Her limited experience [18 months] is apparent
What a credit to the black community you are and I echoe what she said. We are all one community. A community called human kind. We all have the same blood in our veins and breathe the same air. But we all make different choices. He made a choice that night. He made the choice not to stop and follow orders by the armed officers. The officers have to get between that car and the public. That’s their job. Like they did in the London Bridge attack. Like they did at borough market. Like Andrew Harper tried to do the night he tried to arrest suspects for burglary. He approached a vehicle and was then dragged to his death. Very similarly in the circumstance. The car didn’t move a tiny bit. It moved some considerable distance before crashing into the police car. This could’ve dragged any of the police officers with it. There is no let him smash his way out. Where would we stand then if he then made off, failed to stop and crashed and killed a member of public. How would the police look then.
Every firearms carrying officer in England and Wales has had demonstrated to them what awaits should they pull the trigger, irrespective of the reasons. Grip the rail, go before the lottery of a jury trial, have your own and your families security compromised by the judiciary, have the likes of Kaba’s fellow criminals coming after you with murderous intent, face civil proceedings where your every thought and action over a few seconds of often chaotic events are picked over by a tribunal in an air conditioned office with the advantage of 20/20 hindsight. Face a hostile press unsupported by your senior leadership, unable to challenge the ‘other side’s’ narrative such as choirboy on his way to evensong, his criminal antecedents suppressed to suit a narrative. So, in this scenario which we’ve just actually seen play out before us, who honestly would be a firearms officer?
Because people have rights and people who are aware of the corruption as fed up with it and I don't blame people for running away from corruption, after all, your implying guilty until proven innocent.... So you must have something to hide in that case....
@@philipjohnkaye8890 shouldnt use a car as a weapon and should follow what the police tell you too, if they break the law just sue them? how many police are corrupt?
The former female cop was useless with a woeful level of basic policing knowledge around use of force. I suspect her career was short lived and spent inside the station safe next to the station cat. I would love to know how many people she arrested for drugs possession but had thrown the drugs away before she caught up to them. Ergo her argument about being armed at the very moment a round is fired is irrelevant. How can she be sat next to Tony Long. I’ll take his advice having been there ta. She is basically advocating that when criminals try to flee then the police don’t use any force to apprehend them and back off in which case what is the point. Ridiculous and inept.
That ex PC Chantelle Lunt, was running her gums off about black people being victimised and making it about race. Fair play to that ex firearms officer. At no point was the topic of race mentioned until she decided to add that, showing her true BLM activist stance, and then trying to be condescending towards the ex-firearms officer by saying that race was significant in the matter all of a sudden. I bet she was a two-bit PC, a complete liability who waved the race card around constantly instead of doing her job. And uses that 'ex PC' title as some form of authority in the matter. What if it had been a black officer who had shot Kaba under the same circumstances? Would she have come out of the woodwork? Of course not.
15:47 there's should be nothing to do with race. Stop playing that race card. Black, white, asian, Kurdish, British, Albanian, Nigerian, Lithuanian - doesn't matter, police should do their job without fear. Police is risking their lives for public safety. Let them follow training without doubt and intrusive thoughts that can potentially cost them health or life.
@@wordwordful well said & that gangster probably terrorised more people in his own area & community than any other community certainly frightened his pregnant ex girlfriend enough for her to get a restraining order against him
This officer should have never been charged, but new laws won't change that. He was already protected by law, charges were brought anyway. The law should not be laxened nor tightened, it is what it has been for centuries and its fair for defendants and the protection of the public alike. The law is: (1) honest belief of imminent danger, and (2) reasonable force for the circumstances as honestly believed to be. I do think there is an argument for anonymity but I could also argue against that.
So frustrating…one police officer who knows what it is like to make a life changing decision on duty; and another who doesn’t. I don’t think race should come into this. We expect the police to act on our behalf and do things, as Tony Long said, that we as the general public are not asked to do. The Police should not be above the law, I agree, but I think they should be afforded some protection for actions made carrying out their duty.
Yes,it should be.If police ask you to do something you do it and ask questions after. It is reason police has got guns,what a point of that if thay will be afraid to use them.
Yes. They are taking the ultimate risk AND responsibility. If they’re not protected why should they do it? Then who will protect us from the real bad guys? It’s only dangerous criminals at real risk from armed police - if the odd one gets offed slightly dubiously I honestly find it hard to care.
The problem is that the plodcam footage was not shown at the time. Once you see the video its a clear legal shot. Lives were endangered by his actions.
Chris Kaba certainly didn't protect the public, was a convicted jailed & released criminal & women abuser, as his pregnant ex girlfriend needed to get a restraining order against him, his family weren't so vocal about his criminal past or any support they had for his ex girlfriend, & their future grandchild they were more interested in giving media a (propaganda style) very out of date photo of more innocent looking teenager not the grown man his was etc
Its NOT reasonable for some one to end up in court if a life is taken. Its reasonable to weigh up ALL THE FACTS to then determine if court is appropriate.
If a licenced police officer has a firearm locked and secured in their patrol vehicle, would the female former copper here say that that officer was "armed"? 🤔
She is on about fight or flight for Chris kabaa the same could be argued for the police officers. His fight or flight response kicked in when he was using the car as a weapon.
Unfortunately they get this women on the show to cause division. There are many more intelligent black or female police officers that they could have had on the show
Ps it’s sad for Chris kaba’s family unfortunately he was a violent dangerous criminal the car was involved in a firearms incident he used his vehicle as a weapon .
How is it relevant that at the time the officer didn’t know for sure that Kaba was armed or a part of a gang. He would have had some intelligence to say that there was a reason that the car being followed and the occupants were of interest. When those occupants failed to comply, used the vehicle under suspicion as a weapon and then subsequently were proven to be be gangster with a litany of armed offences there were zero questions for the officers actions. 100% responsibility sites with one person only who is now deceased because of HIS actions no one else’s. And if this was a white man the same conclusion would be applied but you can bet your last dollar no one would be interested in the case or the actions of the officer. The racism here is actually against a white officer not the other way around.
Absolutely there should. Every officer deserves to go home to their families safe and well following every shift. Do as your instructed or risk the consequences.
Another man shooting someone who is not armed if you can't see him moving a gun with also them lights that bright in its face and no gun showing where is the legal right to shoot? I'm ex forces and there is definitely no reason what to ever why to shoot
Police should always be held to the same standards as anyone else. They should not be above the law. The guy in this interview shot at someone EIGHT times, with 6 shots hitting them in the face, head, neck and chest. And once again, not holding a weapon.
Firstly she was barley a police officer and next to no experience of the job secondly she knows nothing of Armed policing so she'd in no position to really judge also why does she keep making a point that kaba was a black man ...like his race makes a difference more race BS typical newsflash race has nothing to do with it if kaba was white the situation would not have changed fact and in regards to Tony's shooting the perp did intact have a firearm on him which he had access to at that very moment which is a direct threat to both the officers and any general public in close proximity that along with the intelligence that was given tells me Tony made the right call has this woman had Tony's training and job and been in his shoes at that moment she would more then likely of done the same thing bit has I've already said she's barely a cop .
When I was temporarily attached to Vauxhall Cross, I remember an incident where a man was shot carrying a chair leg. Another where a man was shot carrying a bar of soap. In a career with the Special Intelligence Service (I am now retired) I have never made such mistakes and have had to discharge my weapon on countless occasions.
@@alanpatten468 I remember many Blue on Blue "Friendly Fire" incidents within the British Military, some involving Elite units, some resulting in fatalities. If only The SAS/SBS/ RM etc were all as good as you eh Alan? 🙄
@@nthnmonkeyWhat I should have also added, but out of politeness hesitated to do so, is that much to the doubtless chagrin of the armed pokice response units, there is an enormous gulf in training between themselves and that of Special Forces
@@alanpatten468 So there should be, they have very different roles. Why would a Police AFO/CTSFO/ARV Officer need to be assessed on their ability to Tab/Navigate through the Brecon Beacons carrying Kit or be instructed in Jungle Warfare? However when their roles occasionally overlap, Rapid intervention, Hostage Rescue, Counter Terrorism etc etc, you DO know that Armed Police units and SF units Train and operate together now yes?
I am only talking about firearms training. and I have never trained with the police.Frankly, they woukdn't pass selection and I think you have dekusions of grandeur.@@nthnmonkey
@@alanpatten468 Unlike YOU, I'm not the one giving it the big one in the You Tube Comments section so no delusions here. Nor do I think it wise to give any specific information on MY background and experience Mr "Special Intelligence Service." Let's just say I have a Foot in both Camps and have seen a lot on both sides both Military and Police, which by your own admission you have NOT. Finally, Have you ANY idea how many current Police Firearms Officers are former Military many from Elite units? Your information on Police Firearms standards seems to be at least 30 years out of date. I think you are a Walter Mitty Sir and I am calling you out on it.
No, there shouldn’t be more protection for police officers, many of them who act with a sense of impunity. They need to be better trained not to create high risk environments for themselves/manage their tempers.
Why are we enfan having this discussion. The law should have protected the firesarms officer, his family, and co - workers. Life is about choices. The criminal chose to be a criminal, and the officer chose to do his job to protect the community and his co-workers.
It is very noticeable that the first former police officer was allowed to talk uninterrupted in his first comments. Also he talked for far longer than the other former police officer. In fact she was interrupted TWICE in her first comments. The first police officer interrupted her every single time she tried to talk. I think that is very telling on his character and attitude.
Thanks Chantelle, well said. It feels to me like the police are so used to, arguably, abusing their powers with impunity that just the thought of them being held to account makes ex- police officers coil. It is right that the police, particularly the Met, who has been found to be corrupt by a parliamentary inquiry, be held accountable for their actions. No one deserves to be above the law they are appointed to uphold.
No there shouldn’t because then you have 2 tier policing in police, which you could successfully argue already exists. I would suggest more training would be more effective then trying to legally cover police public executions
I have no sympathy for Kaba and his supporters.I wish to make that clear.But I know a great deal about firearms training and worked as an armed government officer and later close quartercombat instructor for this country in the Far East for many years, in fact my whole career.The Met armed response unit has a history of questionable shootings going back as far as the eye can see. In my professional view, their training is of poor quality and inadequate; they also select and train many who should not be allowed out with a loaded weapon on the streets of London.
@@alanpatten468 Every time a Police Firearm is discharged operationally it should be and is thoroughly questioned. Did you find anything particularly questionable about the Kaba shooting? Historically, the Met and plenty of other Police Firearms units have made errors but so have the British Armed Forces, including Special Forces. Training is continuous and therefore continuously improving.
Just wana have qualified immunity like the American police , if you can’t be held accountable for your actions good or bad you shouldn’t be a police officer or any other public service period
Too many tears are cried over violent criminals, too many protests occur for some of the worst in our society. It's baffling.
Woke agenda mate
@@AllanHinde-mb2pr, Are you crying for racist Peter Lynch?
We have gone full circle, the criminal is now being painted as the victim.
hallmark of a socialist system.
Where's the politicians or celebrities who called for Justice for Mr Kaba? Crawled back under their rock
Definitely. This man was part of a very dangerous gang. Why all the people gathered at the Old Bailey. The family should be ashamed of their family members, especially as he has been in trouble since he was 13.
But apparently police were not using info .if that were so and this was just an incident out of blue the video shows then this would be rough police challenge BUT court shows criminal history of crimes from childhood SO knew wasn't simply a member of society being challenged.
@@joprocter4573 As I understand it this was about the car. Not Kaba. They didn't know he was driving it.
The police were actively looking for the Audi which was linked to recent shooting. That was the info they had.
Armed officers were in unmarked cars in the area where they would be most likely to spot it. Which, of course, they did.
They followed it - while getting a decision on what to do and while the other vehicles required to do it were getting in position - a coordinated effort to force the vehicle to stop (in a narrow street) and 'extract' the driver.
Kaba knew he was being followed. He called his girlfriend to tell her - so had just as much time to work out what HIS tactics would be.
Where is the proof that this man was any sort of criminal?
@@invisible123-l9d Sorry? Mr Kaba's history was not revealed in court. The judge ruled against that early on.
It's only afterward that his record has been made known to the public. Including footage of him shooting another gang member in the leg, just days before he died.
I was in a public box in a court in Croydon .The defendants family were in the next box .They were shouting and cheering when the defense barrister made a point .The judge looked up ,looked uncomfortable, and looked down without saying a word . They were a black family .
I can see why this lady only managed 18 months as a police officer with her limited understanding of basic legal concepts - armed v unarmed
Chantelle was a TRAINEE police officer who served for 18 Months.
Police Training/Probation before being confirmed in the lowest Rank of Constable is 24 Months long.
This shows.
So in reality, she failed as a police officer, no doubt with a chip on her shoulder. No deciding to try and be relevant, by using her race in a negative manner.
Exactly my thought process mate. You’re not confirmed to the position on constable until you have completed 2 years. She offers nothing to the table other than a lack of knowledge!
That ex firearms officer is amazing - I could listen to him read the HIFI instructions
Edit - Race Baiting isn’t cool Chantelle
He has done a lot of interviews before.
Look up the Dodge Woodall podcast with this fire arms officer, he was treated worse than criminals are treated.
@@RobHowell-q9t Thanks will do
He's a prime example of a corrupt person crying wolf.
What are you talking about!@@philipjohnkaye8890
"Unarmed black people" others don't matter? What a careless statement
No the topic is about a black man she then said all.people it's clear.
The colour of his skin is irrelevant. It wasn’t a racially motivated incident
This woman showed herself to be biased when she ended by saying unarmed black men. She clearly is not thinking in a way that shows diversity. She quickly tried to gloss over what she said when it was pointed out. What would she do if faced with a split second decision? Would it matter what colour or ethnic background a criminal belonged to?
You dont see Jeremy Corbyn now. Hiding i bet
She had no argument, tried to rely purely on emotionally swaying people.
"Shooting black people" "cozens & Carrick"
They had intelligence the car had been involved in shootings, the suspect in the car tried to ram the police, the office reacted & fired once, unfortunately was fatal.
Where were Kabas family, when he was shooting others??
She had an argument that you don't like......
@@philipjohnkaye8890 please break down what the argument was.
There weren't any logical points made.
Well said & where were the Kaba family when his pregnant ex girlfriend was so frightened of him that she needed to get a restraining order against him
Chantelle is an inexperienced police officer who had no argument, I guarantee she would've done the same thing in that situation. Also, nothing was mentioned about race until she brought it up - nice try there.
Tony Long should have been cleared years ago
Miss Lunt keeps claiming that Azelle Rodney was “unarmed” Well, had he been arrested rather than shot, he would have been charged with possession of a firearm [amongst other charges]. He was without doubt, armed. Her limited experience [18 months] is apparent
This woman is a former police officer. Thats good news.
Why is that mate?
What a credit to the black community you are and I echoe what she said. We are all one community. A community called human kind. We all have the same blood in our veins and breathe the same air. But we all make different choices. He made a choice that night. He made the choice not to stop and follow orders by the armed officers. The officers have to get between that car and the public. That’s their job. Like they did in the London Bridge attack. Like they did at borough market. Like Andrew Harper tried to do the night he tried to arrest suspects for burglary. He approached a vehicle and was then dragged to his death. Very similarly in the circumstance. The car didn’t move a tiny bit. It moved some considerable distance before crashing into the police car. This could’ve dragged any of the police officers with it. There is no let him smash his way out. Where would we stand then if he then made off, failed to stop and crashed and killed a member of public. How would the police look then.
WELL DONE TO THAT POLICEMAN.SAVED A LOT OF MONEY PUTTING HIM IN PRISON.
How can we trust British Justice? Why does the law support perpetrators of crime and not police who are protecting the public?
Every firearms carrying officer in England and Wales has had demonstrated to them what awaits should they pull the trigger, irrespective of the reasons. Grip the rail, go before the lottery of a jury trial, have your own and your families security compromised by the judiciary, have the likes of Kaba’s fellow criminals coming after you with murderous intent, face civil proceedings where your every thought and action over a few seconds of often chaotic events are picked over by a tribunal in an air conditioned office with the advantage of 20/20 hindsight. Face a hostile press unsupported by your senior leadership, unable to challenge the ‘other side’s’ narrative such as choirboy on his way to evensong, his criminal antecedents suppressed to suit a narrative.
So, in this scenario which we’ve just actually seen play out before us, who honestly would be a firearms officer?
If you innocent why run from police
Wayne Couzens?
Because people have rights and people who are aware of the corruption as fed up with it and I don't blame people for running away from corruption, after all, your implying guilty until proven innocent.... So you must have something to hide in that case....
@@philipjohnkaye8890 shouldnt use a car as a weapon and should follow what the police tell you too, if they break the law just sue them? how many police are corrupt?
The former female cop was useless with a woeful level of basic policing knowledge around use of force. I suspect her career was short lived and spent inside the station safe next to the station cat. I would love to know how many people she arrested for drugs possession but had thrown the drugs away before she caught up to them. Ergo her argument about being armed at the very moment a round is fired is irrelevant. How can she be sat next to Tony Long. I’ll take his advice having been there ta. She is basically advocating that when criminals try to flee then the police don’t use any force to apprehend them and back off in which case what is the point. Ridiculous and inept.
That ex PC Chantelle Lunt, was running her gums off about black people being victimised and making it about race. Fair play to that ex firearms officer.
At no point was the topic of race mentioned until she decided to add that, showing her true BLM activist stance, and then trying to be condescending towards the ex-firearms officer by saying that race was significant in the matter all of a sudden.
I bet she was a two-bit PC, a complete liability who waved the race card around constantly instead of doing her job. And uses that 'ex PC' title as some form of authority in the matter.
What if it had been a black officer who had shot Kaba under the same circumstances? Would she have come out of the woodwork? Of course not.
Well said, she came across as an entitled know it all.
The officer never should been charged his identity should have not been released to the public it’s outrageous he is now in hiding.
Only 1min in and i'm waiting for the race card' my bet it gets played....
Makes by blood boil. He should have never have been charged.
You have no argument
15:47 there's should be nothing to do with race. Stop playing that race card. Black, white, asian, Kurdish, British, Albanian, Nigerian, Lithuanian - doesn't matter, police should do their job without fear. Police is risking their lives for public safety. Let them follow training without doubt and intrusive thoughts that can potentially cost them health or life.
Criminals are criminals. No ifs or buts!
@@wordwordful well said & that gangster probably terrorised more people in his own area & community than any other community certainly frightened his pregnant ex girlfriend enough for her to get a restraining order against him
More protection for officers this shouldn’t have gone to court
What about families of police officers, they are at risk too!! It's a scandal that public services officers have to explain themselves!!
Tony Long is brilliant. Good on you, Tony.
This women wants to put police in extreme danger.
Unarmed at the time🙄
She wants a free passes given out
He was armed with a vehicle that he was using as a weapon.
Watch the body cam footage.
So the woman and baby killed last week in a car by police car were killed with a weapon
@@chriswickham8678 no that's an accident.
This officer should have never been charged, but new laws won't change that. He was already protected by law, charges were brought anyway. The law should not be laxened nor tightened, it is what it has been for centuries and its fair for defendants and the protection of the public alike. The law is: (1) honest belief of imminent danger, and (2) reasonable force for the circumstances as honestly believed to be. I do think there is an argument for anonymity but I could also argue against that.
So frustrating…one police officer who knows what it is like to make a life changing decision on duty; and another who doesn’t. I don’t think race should come into this. We expect the police to act on our behalf and do things, as Tony Long said, that we as the general public are not asked to do. The Police should not be above the law, I agree, but I think they should be afforded some protection for actions made carrying out their duty.
This lady who brought up the colour of the man skins, should hold her head in shame, we should all have the same rules regardless of our skin colour.😢
Public should not have a gun or any other type of weapon, glad she is not still in the police force.
Yes,it should be.If police ask you to do something you do it and ask questions after.
It is reason police has got guns,what a point of that if thay will be afraid to use them.
Wayne couzens?
No. The obeyace of the law protects them.
Breaking the law doesn't.
Last comment from this lady says it all.
Yes. They are taking the ultimate risk AND responsibility. If they’re not protected why should they do it? Then who will protect us from the real bad guys? It’s only dangerous criminals at real risk from armed police - if the odd one gets offed slightly dubiously I honestly find it hard to care.
SUPPORT THE POLICE!
Why does race always have to come into it where it is completely irrelevant
Well said, this convicted criminal probably terrorised more people in his own local area & community than anywhere else regardless of their colour.
The problem is that the plodcam footage was not shown at the time.
Once you see the video its a clear legal shot. Lives were endangered by his actions.
Yes firearms police should have more legal protection
In a word yes, of course.
No there shouldn't.
If the police protected the general public they’d protect them back
Chris Kaba certainly didn't protect the public, was a convicted jailed & released criminal & women abuser, as his pregnant ex girlfriend needed to get a restraining order against him, his family weren't so vocal about his criminal past or any support they had for his ex girlfriend, & their future grandchild they were more interested in giving media a (propaganda style) very out of date photo of more innocent looking teenager not the grown man his was etc
Victimhood card declined.
Yes
Its NOT reasonable for some one to end up in court if a life is taken. Its reasonable to weigh up ALL THE FACTS to then determine if court is appropriate.
If a licenced police officer has a firearm locked and secured in their patrol vehicle, would the female former copper here say that that officer was "armed"? 🤔
Yes or refuse to carry arms
Take person protection officers off judges & politicians then they might want to support officers
I am proud to stand on my record and don't feel the need to become emotive about it or the facts I've presented.
@@alanpatten468 No emotion here Alan, just a discussion about the "facts "
Richard, your hair looks amazeballs!!! What do you use in it ?? 😁
She is on about fight or flight for Chris kabaa the same could be argued for the police officers. His fight or flight response kicked in when he was using the car as a weapon.
Unfortunately they get this women on the show to cause division.
There are many more intelligent black or female police officers that they could have had on the show
The black comment was really useless for her to drop, it's getting SO old.
How about the police protect the people for a change that would be nice
Ps it’s sad for Chris kaba’s family unfortunately he was a violent dangerous criminal the car was involved in a firearms incident he used his vehicle as a weapon .
yes but they should never be above the law
How is it relevant that at the time the officer didn’t know for sure that Kaba was armed or a part of a gang. He would have had some intelligence to say that there was a reason that the car being followed and the occupants were of interest. When those occupants failed to comply, used the vehicle under suspicion as a weapon and then subsequently were proven to be be gangster with a litany of armed offences there were zero questions for the officers actions. 100% responsibility sites with one person only who is now deceased because of HIS actions no one else’s. And if this was a white man the same conclusion would be applied but you can bet your last dollar no one would be interested in the case or the actions of the officer. The racism here is actually against a white officer not the other way around.
There ought to More Police Accountability Transparency required immediately
Stop hiding behind the police inion
Intelligence!
Worst blind date ever
Absolutely there should. Every officer deserves to go home to their families safe and well following every shift. Do as your instructed or risk the consequences.
Another man shooting someone who is not armed if you can't see him moving a gun with also them lights that bright in its face and no gun showing where is the legal right to shoot? I'm ex forces and there is definitely no reason what to ever why to shoot
Why bring Couzens and Carrick into it? 🤷
12:19 He didn't like that 😂
Police should always be held to the same standards as anyone else. They should not be above the law. The guy in this interview shot at someone EIGHT times, with 6 shots hitting them in the face, head, neck and chest. And once again, not holding a weapon.
A gun in or about a person - ls armed, or ready to engage in lethal combat.
You can see why with the comments that black woman is making why she is a former officer hehheheh
They can have more protection when they lose their pension for commuting a crime while in office
No, they most follow the laws, as the public. They already think they are above law
Firstly she was barley a police officer and next to no experience of the job secondly she knows nothing of Armed policing so she'd in no position to really judge also why does she keep making a point that kaba was a black man ...like his race makes a difference more race BS typical newsflash race has nothing to do with it if kaba was white the situation would not have changed fact and in regards to Tony's shooting the perp did intact have a firearm on him which he had access to at that very moment which is a direct threat to both the officers and any general public in close proximity that along with the intelligence that was given tells me Tony made the right call has this woman had Tony's training and job and been in his shoes at that moment she would more then likely of done the same thing bit has I've already said she's barely a cop .
In a word, yes
Well you let women lead the police force, and now the criminals are victims. 🤷🏻♂️
When I was temporarily attached to Vauxhall Cross, I remember an incident where a man was shot carrying a chair leg. Another where a man was shot carrying a bar of soap. In a career with the Special Intelligence Service (I am now retired) I have never made such mistakes and have had to discharge my weapon on countless occasions.
@@alanpatten468 I remember many Blue on Blue "Friendly Fire" incidents within the British Military, some involving Elite units, some resulting in fatalities.
If only The SAS/SBS/ RM etc were all as good as you eh Alan? 🙄
@@nthnmonkeyWhat I should have also added, but out of politeness hesitated to do so, is that much to the doubtless chagrin of the armed pokice response units, there is an enormous gulf in training between themselves and that of Special Forces
@@alanpatten468 So there should be, they have very different roles.
Why would a Police AFO/CTSFO/ARV Officer need to be assessed on their ability to Tab/Navigate through the Brecon Beacons carrying Kit or be instructed in Jungle Warfare?
However when their roles occasionally overlap, Rapid intervention, Hostage Rescue, Counter Terrorism etc etc, you DO know that Armed Police units and SF units Train and operate together now yes?
I am only talking about firearms training. and I have never trained with the police.Frankly, they woukdn't pass selection and I think you have dekusions of grandeur.@@nthnmonkey
@@alanpatten468 Unlike YOU, I'm not the one giving it the big one in the You Tube Comments section so no delusions here.
Nor do I think it wise to give any specific information on MY background and experience Mr "Special Intelligence Service." Let's just say I have a Foot in both Camps and have seen a lot on both sides both Military and Police, which by your own admission you have NOT.
Finally, Have you ANY idea how many current Police Firearms Officers are former Military many from Elite units?
Your information on Police Firearms standards seems to be at least 30 years out of date.
I think you are a Walter Mitty Sir and I am calling you out on it.
They have enough immunity !!!! Wahhhh wahhhh
No, there shouldn’t be more protection for police officers, many of them who act with a sense of impunity.
They need to be better trained not to create high risk environments for themselves/manage their tempers.
Why are we enfan having this discussion. The law should have protected the firesarms officer, his family, and co - workers.
Life is about choices.
The criminal chose to be a criminal, and the officer chose to do his job to protect the community and his co-workers.
It is very noticeable that the first former police officer was allowed to talk uninterrupted in his first comments. Also he talked for far longer than the other former police officer. In fact she was interrupted TWICE in her first comments. The first police officer interrupted her every single time she tried to talk. I think that is very telling on his character and attitude.
Thanks Chantelle, well said.
It feels to me like the police are so used to, arguably, abusing their powers with impunity that just the thought of them being held to account makes ex- police officers coil.
It is right that the police, particularly the Met, who has been found to be corrupt by a parliamentary inquiry, be held accountable for their actions. No one deserves to be above the law they are appointed to uphold.
The fire arms have the same liability she lost him for and he is now her
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No there shouldn’t because then you have 2 tier policing in police, which you could successfully argue already exists.
I would suggest more training would be more effective then trying to legally cover police public executions
I couldnt see his hands maybe they where in the steering wheel these people and inteligent dint beling in the same sentence
Maybe learn to spell before questioning people's intelligence.
I have no sympathy for Kaba and his supporters.I wish to make that clear.But I know a great deal about firearms training and worked as an armed government officer and later close quartercombat instructor for this country in the Far East for many years, in fact my whole career.The Met armed response unit has a history of questionable shootings going back as far as the eye can see. In my professional view, their training is of poor quality and inadequate; they also select and train many who should not be allowed out with a loaded weapon on the streets of London.
@@alanpatten468 Every time a Police Firearm is discharged operationally it should be and is thoroughly questioned.
Did you find anything particularly questionable about the Kaba shooting?
Historically, the Met and plenty of other Police Firearms units have made errors
but so have the British Armed Forces, including Special Forces.
Training is continuous and therefore continuously improving.
Just wana have qualified immunity like the American police , if you can’t be held accountable for your actions good or bad you shouldn’t be a police officer or any other public service period
It doesn't take 2+ years to be held accountable with copious amounts of video footage and eye-witness accounts...
no ......sorry no way
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Or sam dale on 8 crime double dutch
Yes they should simple.
If Cops with guns cannot do there job. What's the point
We need protection from Susanna because she is on fire right now woof woof