Intel just hit NVIDIA where it hurts
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2023
- Intel just announced huge changes for their ARC series GPUs... if you are considering a new AFFORDABLE GPU... this is it!
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I'm really stoked to see Intel focus on improving the flaws of their graphics cards without resorting to putting out another SKU. The last thing we need is an Intel Arc Titan A795XTTiX2 Super KFXEX3D
But I love spending tons of money for Neat letters and numbers.
Lol, that's ALL my brain sees whenever I start shopping for GPUs and CPUs...
Adding X3D to the end always makes things better, though.
sounds like a name for Intel's first gaming monitor
KEKW
The "massive FPS boost in DX9 titles" is coming from Intel using DXVK now. It's a DX9-11 -> Vulkan wrapper. You can thank the Linux gaming community and Valve for that.
The funny thing is that Arc has performed pretty well on Linux since its early days. I got mine maybe 3 weeks after launch (because that's the first time they showed up on store shelves) and was playing CS:GO at 144Hz 1440p just fine on it on Arch Linux. It's only gotten better since. There were some early crashes and bugs with certain DX11/12 titles that have pretty much all been resolved. Kernel issues have largely been fixed too (lack of HDMI audio being a big one). The only downside is that VRR doesn't seem to be working yet, but I'm sure that will happen soon since progress has been pretty quick. Running git Mesa and the drm-next kernel is the way to go right now for Arc.
@@CalcProgrammer1 It's nice that you're not facing any major issues atm. When I look into the Phoronix forum that doesn't seem to be the case for everyone however. Esp. things like missing Vulkan extensions are being criticised, which does heavily impact DXVK and VKD3D, albeit different titles may react more or less sensitive to that. Adaptive sync not currently being supported is a bummer, especially since it's an open standard. The hardware specs are nice - esp. the AV1 de- and encoder, but as long as there's such a big "YMMV" associated with Arc, I wouldn't really recommend it to others.
@@username8644 I haven't able to try mine on Linux yet and even if I did it would be Manjaro so I can't really say, but I can't say this there is official support for Ubuntu so that says something strong about their support for the Debian side. It sounds like Intel is heavily supporting Linux. You just need to make sure you're on the 6.0 kernel or better.
Unfortunately for me I forgot to update Manjaro before I removed the old card and my computer was disconnected for a long time from the internet so mine isn't on the 6.0 kernel lol
next update will feature vkd3d
Intel recently announced it's going to be another big boost coming soon too, it just keeps getting better
I REALLY want to see Arc succeed and kick ass in the entry & mid-tier range. They are DESPERATELY needed.
every build i do that has pcie4 and rebar ive put arc in so far, personal rig is pcie 3 and i didnt cop a rebar bios for my apex x :| so 3060ti for my personal rig, and u know what? a770 is better sometimes, looking forward to all the times
there is nothing for 50-150 EUR
the GT1030 still is around 100... and it's from the stoneage
@@yahlov
There's nothing, that i can see, from Nvidia for 150, but AMD has you covered with the 6500XT at 158 (Scan UK)
I'd steer clear of older cards and go with 6xxx-series from AMD and above, or the 3xxx-series from Nvidia and above.
They really are much better performing cards.
Save your money a little more though and check these out >
AMD: 6700XT 12GB GDDR6 VRAM for £400
Nvidia: 3060ti 8GB GDDR6 VRAM for £430
AMD: 6600 or 6650XT 8GB GDDR6 VRAM for £320/£322
Nvidia: 3060 12GB GDDR6 VRAM £329
Both of those sets of choices are superior to anything Intel has to offer right now.
I'd personally go for the 6700XT as it's a cracking 1440p very high/ultra @ 60+fps GPU.
@@clitmint That clearly isn't the price range they're talking about. They're better off finding a nice 1080 that's in their price range and getting great frames on medium settings. Plays just fine and still looks fine
Intel had they're chance and they threw it away out the box.
Oh and for the A770: Yes that Card also benefits from each driver update so far. The Gains in FPS in dx12 and dx11 titles are not as huge in the "Max-FPS" Section but the consistancy is improving massively. and i really mean massively. Smoother with every update and on the newest driver they did something amazing: The weird Overlay-Style of the Arc Control software is now a draggable window! But honestly: Decent Card, unbeatable pricing at the moment and really enjoyable experience
That’s what happened when you make a Vulkan card and bake the dxvk library into your drivers. You end up reaping the benefits of other peoples work.
@@jandrews377 And also their bugs. But then again, I doubt that Intel would have been able to solve this in the record time they did if they didn't use that open-source work.
So a shout-out to both Intel and the team behind DXVK for the massive respect they deserve, and I hope this upwards trend will not turn into a downwards one someday.
I will buy it when it hits $99
Biggest thing holding the a770 back is the cost of 16gb of vram and overbuilt card that seems like it was aimed at 3060s going for $500 at the time. 16gb is kind of pointless when this isn't a 4k card. They need a quick redesign to cut the ram and get rid of the overbuilt expensive cooling and RGB to improve margins and enable a price cut of the a770 as well.
@@zodwraith5745 you get some titles on 1440p for which 12gb vram is barely good enough. Thats not pointless that just makes the card future Proof for 1080p and 1440p. Over here in germany its by far the best value / performance card you can buy. at the current drivers it can compete with rtx 3070 and 6700xt on quite a few games and scenarios and here it goes for 370€ compared to a 3060 which goes for 350€ to 420€ and is slower quite a bit by now. The card is aimed to compete with 3070 and 3070ti the drivers are just still holding it back
These Intel Arc GPUs really deserve a re-review. They seem to have come a long way since initial release.
I agree with you Kevin, would be nice to see in the 1080/1440p range.
nah, they are the same shit different day type of stuff. overpriced crap that instead of competing against nvidya price/performance matched it.
radeon 6600xt is a better deal and it sucks too, because used 5700xt with the same performance level is available for 150 bucks. 5700xt is a way better deal.
@@rawdez_ but can AMD relive record gameplay as good as Shadowplay? I use that crap feature about everyday. I like to watch my gameplays. Upload some of them.
@@fynkozari9271 i believe it can but you better ask someone who actually uses that feature
iirc it was made okay a while ago
ps check videos on yt
@@JS-oh2dp check used and chinese markets. glhf
>the cheapest one is 230
so its still way better priced than 3060 or 6600xt with the same level of performance. and WAAAAY better than these crap intels.
Good job Intel making an affordable GPU and now making it even more affordable PLUS the card is really amazing
But is there any reason to buy this over a 6650xt which retails $250?
@@pcmasterracetechgod5660 no
@@pcmasterracetechgod5660 does it goes the same for 6700xt.
@@pcmasterracetechgod5660 way more vram which could make it more future proof. that about the only thing it’s got. (edit) also AV1 encoding
They are affordable because they literally aren't profiting off them
Jay, been using an Arc A770 since launch. The improvements have been noticeable. Looking forward to your testing.
got an a770 LE and its super fun. The Experience of your Card getting better and better with every Driver Update while you didnt have to pay a fortune for it is so statisfying. I have to admit tho, that i enjoy troubleshooting and tinkering with drivers, researching stuff and even checking out the Code. I didnt have any issues so far and i think if they keep it up like this Arc will be a serious competitor in the midrange. They in fact already are now. I just really hope the next generations will be similar in pricing.
I'm proud of what Intel has been accomplishing with their discrete GPUs so far. Making GPUs is extremely difficult, yet their first real widespread discrete GPU generation here is not a complete dumpster fire.
I'm excited to see what their lineup will be like in a few generations and I hope they succeed.
yeah people are giving them to much flack, its their first try at a GPU... 2/3 generations it will be way better, if they keep this insane pace of driver optimization.
By literally every comparative metric, it is a dumpster fire
So was amd’s launch. Amd was actually worse if I remember right. Not only that, but AMD launch at a time where the was less to account for.
We are so used to these top end gpu’s that the bottom end flies under our radar. Intel wasn’t competing for top spot, just, good enough. And they have gotten there. It took a minute, but any early adoption is a nightmare
@@VanquishedAgain only if sales figures were meant to be a benchmark - which would be bold for a first gen…
I think not having to recall your fist generation should be considered a win
Generations? According to reports they wont make discrete GPU''s again!
I recently got an A770 and I love it, performance is great, and this driver raised the performance in other games not mentioned in the chart, like Destiny 2. Intel is doing a really good job with the drivers.
What about VR performance?Do you have any headset?
@@GreekSIMRACING from what someone said to me on another thread is does not do VR. As a VR dev this is a real problem for me.
@@GreekSIMRACING linus tech tips said he had multiple problems with vr for his arc 1 month challenge.
Intel GPUs are such a novel product at this point in time that it technically is beta testing its products through users like you.
@@sqwert654 you do understand the 'high-margin' market doesn't include VR right?
A quick word of caution: the chart comparing the A750 to an RTX 3060 12GB was not one of raw performance but *FPS per $* ... So the Intel GPU could appear to be equal with Nvidia even if it was around 30% slower. This may explain why they lowered the price and focused so heavily on the A750 and said nothing about the significantly more expensive A770.
I think I'll go with the GTX 3060 for now but this did get me thinking
👌
@@zephyrderg RTX 3060 you mean.
@@zephyrderg Do yourself a solid, save a little more money and get a 3070.
Ehh i got my RTX 3060 12gb for 150$ so i can't complain
Hi Jay! I’ve heard you say if it were your money, you would buy a card like this for your system. So do it. Let’s see a challenge or 1-month stint of using and playing a system with one of these cards. I think that would be really helpful for people to see “how it performed”. It might even be a topic for an RTFM show. Anyway, love your content, keep it up!
He won't do it. He knows these cards can't compete. He just makes these videos to earn himself a lot of money on youtube. You will also notice how he doesn't BOTHER to answer peoples comments. He doesn't need to. He just all that lovely ad revenue. None of the crazy price hikes bother people like him as he is so wealthy.
The guys got better things to do than reply to random comments on UA-cam lmfao.
Linus Tech Tips have done this, their ARC challenge put Intel cards in their daily drivers, they had mixed results but weren't in a hurry to switch back. My A750 is far from stable but my plan to upgrade to a top end AMD/Nvidia card in 3 months has turned into maybe next year because yeah, it's good enough!
I second or third this idea. (:
Linus did a series on this. Check it out when you can
This is why competition is good!
I recently tried my A770 in my SIM racing rig that has triple 1440P monitors to see how capable it really is (normally run a 4090) and I have to say that I was quite impressed with the iRacing results! While the framerate obviously dropped a ton, with most of the details switched from High to Low and turning off things like high quality trees, distortion, and heat haze, it now runs in the 60 - 90 FPS range and even starting at the back of the pack handled race starts (usually the hardest on the GPU) without issue and run smoothly!
Bro you've just spread the poor legs of A770 apart, c'mon! The poor thing it's not designed to play 1440p triple monitors.
Haha, you never know until you try! I honestly thought it was going to fail miserably, but was pleasantly surprised and I've still got it installed and running a couple races a day. I did run into an issue with the latest release driver xxx.4091 (I had the BETA driver before xxx.4090) that broke the software fix that allowed manual fan tuning, but reverting back to the BETA driver fixed that.
So not any better than my old 2070 that was released in 2018 october? A770 equal to 3060ti right? And that gpu barely has higher fps than 2070?
Not sure if that's a compliment or a diss...
Currently running iracing on a RTX 2070 (non super) on triple 1080P monitors so intrigued. I keep thinking its a side step but as I want to start streaming on one rig the AV1 encode is pretty compelling and dropping £400 compared to £800+ is tempting...
Hi Jay, I can't help but notice that the last graph (10:48) is average performance per dollar rather than raw performance. They assume a $391 price for the 3060 as stated in the small print and I presume a $250 price for the A750. This means that for a game like Valorant, where both cards score similar in the graph, a 3060 outputs about 56% more FPS than an A750. The Chartgate is real :/
was looking for that comment thx
Jay perpetuated Chart Gate?
The funny thing about GW2 is that DX 9 is depreciated and being removed fully by the end of March. Last year they upgraded the game engine to DX11 but allowed you to chose ether DX9 or DX11 but now it's just going to be DX11. I will say they jump to DX11 made a world of improvement to the performance as well as the visuals of the game.
Can't thank you enough for all the help you give a new builder.
I really wanted an A770 but needed a card this time last year so went with a 3060ti. Really happy to see the performance intel have managed to get now. Would've been interesting to see the performance of the canned A780 seeing as the A770 is pretty much on par with a 3070 now?
At higher resolutions Yes
That is interesting news. Thanks for the update. I look forward to seeing the next iteration...
Can't wait for future Arc updates and benchmarks on this channel!
Rx6600 is 220ish. Rx6650xt is like 290. And they both come with 2 free games. And they work great for pretty much any dx version or open gl or vulkan or anything else.
about 280 and 330 respectively in europe unfortunately. a750 is also priced at about 280 here atm.
Getting free games with your purchase is not a plus. Even if you don't own the games and want them, it still doesn't really make sense. I don't want the company to buy games to give me for "free" just to give us a better price. Whatever they paid for the games just take that off the price of the product
@@chronometer9931 Agreed. Got a 6650 before Xmas and would have , at the least, some choice of games or a perhaps game credit on Steam? Still happy with what I got, games didnt really influence.
Also in my country the A770 is a better price and with newer drivers it performs better than the 6650xt for cheaper. It also has more VRAM and much better ray tracing support. AMD shouldn't have left the bottom of the market open, but I'm glad they did, because I ended up getting an arc. Where is the Rx7650? Is it ever going to come? AMD was too busy salivating over high end GPUs to care so I walked away
But Arc 750 is much stronger in new games and in ray tracing it's close to 3070
I am Building an new Secondary Gaming System, and I am really starting to consider an Arc Card. Especially the A750 at 250 Bucks. They're doing good in Developing the Driver, I'll give them a Chance.
Go for it, I got the a770 and I don't regret it
Yeah I did the same thing and I'd say Intel are on the right way! My a750 holds up really well compared to my old Gtx 1070
That card already exists it's de Rx 6650. Not sure why people think those cards do no exist when those 6600series hovered around 200 for 6 months or so
In the UK, the absolute cheapest you can find the A750 new right now is £300 ($372 inc tax), which doesn't make it so much of a bargain. I wanted to spend sub-£250 before Christmas, so I went for AMD's current budget champion, the RX6600. £229 with 2 free games worth £100 in total, which I don't think - in the UK at least - could be bettered for price/performance by any other card.
Usually 250-260 on ebuyer, that said RX6600 is neck and neck with it, you got it cheaper and with two games, so you definitely still got the better deal
This is great to see, having been in the PC gaming space for a long time, I have a lot of old games I still love to play. This issue has been my main gripe with ARC over gpu's that I am otherwise kinda excited to try out, even if it's one of the lower end models. If I can find one...
I'm very happy to see this,everybody should cheer for intel to make their GPU great! It will benefit all of us. The prices are ridiculous at the moment. And Intel GPU is amazing in ray tracing!
rt at this performance level is just dumb.
intel price/perf matches their crap GPUs to nvidya, Radeons are faster and better value yet are still overpriced because price and performance are pretty much of a 4 y.o. card - 5700xt (when it was new). rn 5700xt can be had for 200 bucks "new" or used for even less .
these prices don't make sense. mining is dead. nobody needs or buys these cards, yet corporations act like there's still insane demand on GPUs.
and there is not. GPUs are overpriced at least x2 times.
ps latest news are amd/nvidya artificially lower production/shipments of GPUs to lower supply and keep their prices high. apparently they dgaf about intel at all because intel with their crap overpriced cards = not a threat. intel GPUs should be priced at 150 and 200 bucks respectively to make any sense to buy them.
I dont buy first gen of products. Gotta wait 2nd gen. For it to be polished.
Yeah, no.
Look what they did in the CPU space, they are not our friends either.
Props to Intel for continued support and improvement. This is a win for gamers.
Their cards are still utter crap. I say wait for a few years before getting one and see if they will get their shit together
Thanks Jay, if intel keeps this up I will be switching over come my next gpu upgrade. They were too new when I did this upgrade, I usually upgrade every two generations. But you are right they seem to be doing a good job so far.
Even with the usual inflated UK pricing, this still looks like a compelling prospect. I just hope that your forthcoming tests bear out the Intel hype. Thanks Jay/Phil/Nic et al. for exemplary work, yet again
It's 280£ at the moment in uk
As the abilities of the cards improve through updated drivers, the prices are going up to match. At least they are here in the UK.
I'm saving up for the 6600 I've seen that at £242 the lowest I've seen it, after that they are £340+ the UK government shafts us so much and the bank of England on technology
@@JURITO1000 where im only seeing them for like 350
@@inept6986 350 is 770 no?
Stellaris is my favourite game among those listed. It's a real gem in the 4X genre. Still being updated with great dlc's, bit expensive when you buy it will all dlc though.
Yeah it was my first Paradox title and according to the community it seems they have a great reputation of supporting the games after release. I don't even have many of the expansions and can lose entire days playing solo campaigns in the blink of an eye.
It’s the game I have the most hours on in steam. 501 hours and I still have no idea where that time went to this day haha.
Did they solve the late game lag and stuttering? I "tested" an older version and loved it gameplay-wise. I'm looking to buy it with all the dlc, but not if the late game performance is still horrible.
Yeah stellaris is great, played it on game pass but picking the full collection up on steam had me ded
....I'm a little worried that Jay has never heard of it.
That little scene you did for the sponsor in the beginning was the most genuine piece of art I have ever seen; you could truly tell you weren't just doing this for the money.
Thanks, Jay and team!
Would there be anyway to get an arc shootout? Between the Intel and 3rd party cards. I’m curious to see if the gains from asrock, asus, and gunnir cards are worth the price.
If I needed a new mid-range card, the Intel 750 and 770 would definitely be on my list. For family looking at builds for 1080p gaming, they're absolutely the best bang for buck right now.
Eh, I’d spend 50$ more for a 6700xt. Actually I just built a system with my nephew and he got a MSI Mech 6700xt for 330$ after a 20$ instant rebate. I’ll wait for Battlemage before I start recommending them to anyone who’s going to be calling me to help them troubleshoot their PC problems. Lol
Hubbers got the 770 and I got the 750 at Christmas, we're both really happy and very pleased with the updates today.
Cant wait for the new test results, great job...
8:34 Are we forgetting the 6650 XT and 6600 currently retail for $280 and $230 respectively? The A750 definitely puts a lot more pressure on those cards now, but Turing / Ampere are still far and away worse value than RDNA 2 or Arc.
Was looking for this
Even the gimped 6500 and 6400 are in that bracket. AMD basically has 5 SKUs, of which 4 are still being produced, in this price bracket
Voila and the rx6700 none xt
I don't know what it is, it's like the majority of the tech media just completely ignored the existence of the 6000 series. Blows my mind because they've been nothing short of amazing cards, especially after the price drops that made them absolutely unbeatable values. But rarely any content about that, all about that Intel hype train even though pre-Intel GPUs it was always "just buy the best card available". So odd.
I was just thinking about that too. I built a rig for someone else back in December and picked up a RX6600 (non-XT) for $230 for their system. For setting up someone who's not big on troubleshooting to play the classics, it seemed like the obvious call.
@@elvisgratton6328 Here in Europe you can pick up the 6700 for 300 euros, the A750 comes in at 335. Which means neither of the Intel cards make any sense.
Genuinly interested in the future of ARC. I probably wont get an A7 series but maybe once its matured a little i'll make the switch
I'm kind of glad you mentioned the bit about rebar support on 9th gen. I have a 9700k with a gigabyte z390 gaming motherboard and one of the last two bios updates supposedly enabled rebar support, however gpu-z and any other utility reports it being disabled or unsupported after turning it on in bios. Ultimately I ended up buying a used 3060 from my friend for a really good price but I was strongly considering an arc card but didn't because I wasn't sure if rebar is actually working or not.
that was also useful for me because the other day i saw used computer with 9900k in it for good price but today i learned it had kinda dogshit support of rebar / SAM so there will be gpu problems in future.
Hi Jay I have a A770 in one of my systems. I just installed the new drivers and have not done a full round of benchmarks but in WoW in Dx12 I did go from around 95fps to about 110fps (Max Settings Raytraceing Set to Fair 3840x1600) so i did see a nice uplift there.
Seems like low end = intel, middle = amd, and high end = nvidia.
I just bought the Serpent Canyon NUC 12th gen CPU with the A770 on board. It's a freaking beast, smashes benchmarks, and put me just under 1k for a full PC setup the size of my toaster. Intel's really looking to hoover back some of this lost market share and I'm all here for it.
How's cooling and noise?
DirectX 9 was released in 2002 for Windows 98, Me, and XP, and currently is supported by all subsequent versions
Build & stream video is in order.
Testing the A770 it's easily passing the 3060Ti now. Would be interested in seeing you validate my results with your card.
RX 6600 XT is 270$
yes , has creeped up in price over the last 3 months ,, WAS a bargain and now is just so/ so.
I just picked up an arc A770 on sale. Looking forward to trying it out once I finish buying all the parts for my first build.
Thanks for the update Jay; great to hear since I've been eyeing the A750 myself. Btw, Have you tried the Intel Arc GPU with madVR for HDR Tone Mapping in the playback of HDR UHD Bluray content? Based on the required performance specs, an A750 or A770 should be sufficient, but I have not seen any testing on this. Any thoughts/experience notes?
I'm genuinely happy that Intel is back, I was one of the 3 people who bought an i740 AGP card back in the day. Hopefully it will work well and force ATI and nVidia to come back to reality.
This wont happen for at least another few years. Their cards are still utter crap
@@fade2black001 CAP 🧢
@@AwankO thanks
I really hope Intel are here to stay in the gpu market. And keep updating their products. We really need the competition. Prices are seriously screwed. I was lucky to get 3060ti at msrp when they launched, which i thought was too expensive then, compared to the 1080ti i came from which had a much better price for the performance. But know i am pondering to skip the entire 4000 series because of pricing which is fucked and not fair in any way. And it has been since rtx launched with the 2000 series, when they started charging premium for a pretty useless feature then tbh. Sucks being a bit bound to Nvidia gpu´s because of monitor got g-sync ultimate module, otherwise i would have switched team ASAP! :D the for the content Jay and team
I feel like
1080ti, 3060ti, 2080s all comparable except 1080ti 11gb vram
@@nickmarshall2676 The reason why i think the 1080ti was so good was the pricing. i payed much less for that card in retail then what i had to if i was to upgrade to a 2080ti which would be the equivalent card in that generation. They added a huge premium price for that RTX feature.
Good to see more competition in the GPU market. Competition is always good.
The first things I did when I built this new PC is Replayed through Portal,. Then played Portal with RTX, Ran through some Left 4 dead, and then Replayed some of the single player campaigns of Starcraft, which will procede to me replaying (and finally finishing Starcraft II)
I also Took the time to install my old copy of Peggle and replay that through just as a relaxing casual experience.
Once they get their driver's fixed then and only then will they be actual competition. I hope they stay in the GPU market but once they get established, I'm not for one second expecting them to be budget. I'm sure they haven't released a higher end option only because they have a lot in the back end to fix beforehand. People aren't very forgiving when 500+ dollars is on the table to be wasted. Just hoping they keep it up and the huge stock drop/ revenue miss won't cripple the GPU division. Also, 6600xt is around 280$ so still an option.
I know Intel is not the go to brand, especially the way they worked out of the gate, but just because of our other two choices doing what they have been doing, I actually bought the Intel card a 750, thinking of getting the a 770 card since Intel is looking like they are trying to make a go of this gpu.
My current rig doesn't support ReBAR but I plan on upgrading everything and am heavily considering an a770 when I do because I don't need anything higher for my set up
Thanks, Jay. Linus from LTT tried to use an Arc GPU for VR, but during his month long “Arc Challenge” it always failed to work with his Index headset. I hope things change over time with newer drivers, or else I won’t be looking at Intel when I upgrade my rig, hopefully this year.
This is pretty exciting. My next card might be an Arc x50 if they keep this price point rolling for their next gen.
Don't waste your money dude.
ANYTHING 6700XT and up, or 3060/3070 and up, is a vastly better experience, and much better value for money than anything Intel has to offer.
@@clitmint yet way more expensive in a lot of places
@@James-rc6qq Yep. I think price per dollar, the intel cards are starting to look like a better and better proposition, and the performance issues are being cleaned up. The current pricing on AMD and Nvidia cards is way to high for me.
@@arsarma1808 just picked up a 6600 for £250 ($300) which is expensive in the US but over here seems a decent deal, should last me a few good years until i upgrade. Its by no means the best card i could afford but made the most sense. Should handle all the games i want at 1080p which is all i need. Very exited. Hopefully by the time I upgrade, intel cards are going strong and are well established competitor to this duopoly
It should be remembered that Intels' charts are comparing performance from their ARC drivers at launch, to now, so if you've been updating regularly (and why wouldn't you) the performance increases will be lower. However, it's great that Intel is really pushing to make their cards a worthwhile alternative with the driver improvements and very aggressive price cuts. I'm actually interested in purchasing an A750 now.
8% is "really agressive"? thats still an overpriced crap.
intel price/perf matches their crap GPUs to nvidya, Radeons are faster and better value yet are still overpriced because price and performance are pretty much of a 4 y.o. card - 5700xt (when it was new). rn 5700xt can be had for 200 bucks "new" or used for even less .
these prices don't make sense. mining is dead. nobody needs or buys these cards, yet corporations act like there's still insane demand on GPUs. and there is not. GPUs are overpriced at least x2 times, in fact more like x3 times if we account for the need to have any freaking progress in PC hardware
3070 and 6750xt should be 200 bucks GPUs by now, if leather jacket and his niece didn't destroy progress in PC hardware with overpriced af GPUs.
most of these games with "imprvements" are irrelevant already or run on a potato just fine.
@@rawdez_ be happy there competition to try and keep AMD and NVIDIA in line
@@rawdez_ many of these games are some of the most played games on PC, and/or are free. They include the 1st, 4th and 7th most played games on the Steam top 10
@@notedbubbly667 "competition" kek.
Intool price/performance matched their GPUs to Nvidya overpriced GPUs, so there isn't any competition.
corporations never want their products to be x2-3-5 times better/faster than their last products - disrupting markets is unprofitable = prices on their older hardware drop too much = margins drop = profits drop.
so there is NO COMPETITION BECAUSE ACTUALLY COMPETING IS UNPROFITABLE. thats why every corporation is performance/price matching all other products on the market, thats the main reason the progress is stuck. and people who buy x2-3-5-10 times overpriced 5-15-30% gains are a part of that problem.
Its an industry-wide price fixing to milk the market maximally.
corporations do R&D once get x3-5 uplift and then cut it down and sell adding removed performance bit by bit to milk the same tech for years to not drop prices on the market.
and people are buying into crap about "Moore's law is dead". nah, technically Moore's law is alive and well, its just its unprofitable for corporations to follow that law. so they don't.
@@lonyo5377 they run absolutely fine on ancient hardware, making Arc GPUs to not suck in these games isn't an achievement, its fixing issues. Arc should've run them perfectly fine in the first place, just like all other older DX9 titles that are ignored by Intool.
6700 (non XT) is going for $300 US right now in Australia ... crazy price for performance 👌
intel price/perf matches their crap GPUs to nvidya, Radeons are faster and better value yet are still overpriced because price and performance are pretty much of a 4 y.o. card - 5700xt (when it was new). rn 5700xt can be had for 200 bucks "new" or used for even less .
these prices don't make sense. mining is dead. nobody needs or buys these cards, yet corporations act like there's still insane demand on GPUs. and there is not. GPUs are overpriced at least x2 times, in fact more like x3 times if we account for the need to have any freaking progress in PC hardware
3070 and 6750xt should be 200 bucks GPUs by now, if leather jacket and his niece didn't destroy progress in PC hardware with overpriced af GPUs.
and here you're saying that 300 bucks for 6700 nonXT is "crazy" as in "good". no its not good. its better yet its still very much overpriced.
most of these games with "imprvements" are irrelevant already or run on a potato just fine.
I'm planning to build a PC mid 2023, hope there will be some good GPU prices available by then.
Love my A770 LE, had it for a week and its exceeded my expectations for a new generation graphics card. Excited to see what Battlemage/Celestial will bring to the table that makes teams Green/Red put more into competition for the price range.
Then you must have very low expectations, and/or are very easily pleased.
Please, cast your eyes over the better offerings >
AMD: 6700XT 12GB GDDR6 VRAM for £400
Nvidia: 3060ti 8GB GDDR6 VRAM for £430
AMD: 6600 or 6650XT 8GB GDDR6 VRAM for £320/£322
Nvidia: 3060 12GB GDDR6 VRAM £329
Both of those sets of choices are superior to anything Intel has to offer right now.
I'd personally go for the 6700XT as it's a cracking 1440p very high/ultra @ 60+fps GPU.
@@clitmint I have RTX3080 10GB but agree with you about 6700xt. Today, from the average price range, it is the most interesting in terms of price/performance GPU
Just got a used Red Devil 6700XT 12GB DDR6 192 bit for $300 +$20 for shipping
does triple 1440 easily, and i play a lot of older games so ARC was not even on my radar.
Solid!
Top KEK!
Peace be with you.
broo, jay as admiral that edit was great !
Budget gpus are making a comeback! I picked up a 1080ti gaming x trio for $200 granted for $40 more I can now get an arc card brand new I think both are great options. Locally 2080 supers are going for $300. So depending on what you want you can get it!
No thanks to nvidia and amd wow
I've been using a770 16gb at 1080p 120fps and its been amazing. I applaud Intel. I cant wait to see what they put out next. PS the a770 is a beautiful card.
120fps on what Game?
@@chester8459 I think he means on a 120Hz display
4k video editing rendering?
@@kool3771 its actually a 144Hz display. not all titles will run that. for example cyber punk 2077 wont but Hogwarts legacy will until you get to high action moments, then it dips below 100fps. Dota 2 is pinged to 120. Valheim was stuck to 60 fps for some reason. Those are the games im playing right now.
@@HazaraTechnic I don't do any 4k video editing. this is probably not the card for that. id imagine there are many videos on this topic.
Would love to see you do a budget build with it.
Your gameplay clip around 0:08 was better than my eyesight
The comparison chart against the RTX 3060 was price to performance. Because the price difference is so large the ARC card is probably quite a bit weaker. It sounds more interesting, though really I am wondering how it compares to the RX 6600XT/6650XT. Especially since the cheapest 6650XT is $260 right now.
Yeah, but Nvidia is sadly actually competing against these cards because the sheeple masses still bought the ridiculously priced RTX 3060 like crazy, according to the Steam survey results. Their marketing and mindshare power is crazy, it's unbelievable how people opted for that card at those prices. And to this day it NEVER reached its absolutely false $330 MSRP.
Like you said, if you really care about value the real showdown is between the newly priced A750 and both the RX 6600 and RX 6650XT.
having side by side hands on compared a 3060-12gb, 6600xt, and this Acer Predator Bifrost A770, and my dual 1070's, the a770 has never been a downgrade, at worst it was very close to the other 2, now at times though, its much closer to a 3070ti competitor, actually having had them all in this same system, made me even more sure i dont regret going for this card when the other 2 options in the same price range are better in some titles, but, others.. this just walks away, even with far form ideal drivers..
the thing is.. me and my friends went in expecting driver teething issues, and.. were actually more impressed then anything else, less problems then we expected, most sorted with dxvk /vkd3d use..
i was using dual 1070's for YEARS now, moved to the first when amd's option was a Fury.... added a 2nd over time, and they been great, i wanted more then 8gb vram, and something that at the end of the day wouldnt be a downgrade in any way and mostly a nice upgrade, this gets 1070sli perf when sli is working perfectly, and even legacy titles have never run worse.. but do note: i have been using dxvk for legacy titles for a very very very long time now so most had it already installed and at most i updated to a newer build.. the improvement dxvk can offer some titles is absolutely insane.. even on nvidia and amd cards...
these cards, as the drivers mature just get better, i cannot really say that of amd or nv drivers these days...sure they fix some bugs and sometimes offer boosts to large numbers of titles, but nothing on this level, and nothing on what i have seen done in 2 beta titles im part of the testing for.. ones just an optimized for the title dxvk wrapper and the others them adding a full vk renderer to the game after 2 devs got arc cards and convinced the boss to let them build a test renderer to show them.. turned out it gave nv and intel a huge boost over the dx11 and 12 paths, and amd gained some in mins but max not much.. intels boost for my testing in both, min fps more then tripled the lows in both counts coming above 60, the max on both intel and nv.. nearly-more then doubled over the dx12 path.. genuinely impressive with everything maxxed out, including the pretty mild but nice looking RT in both titles, still over 75fps 1% lows and highs over my 165hz refresh rate.. so i got no complaints there.. specially with how damn good the game looks and runs.... rt off isnt a massive change but.. itis noticable.. before max i would see was in the 80's with the same settings, mostly in the 65-70 range with lows as bad as 16fps.. (nv or intel).. just "holy crap this is good" and we are assured it willget faster, since in both cases its official now and they are actually working to properly optimize it rather then the quick and dirty work first done...
that one using dxvk, they are just building their own vk path now, but updating the wraper with changes from the official native implementation to test them out before switching over.. hopefully they keep a toggle to try the new one, or fall back to current if somethings wonky... as users of all 3 brands have requested.. :)
I'd be interested to see how the A770 stacks up with the new driver. A 3070-equivalent performant card with AV1 for 400€ would be a no -brainer for me (using a 2060 atm)
Same for me, problem is they are very hard to get around here. There is almost no Intel card that isn't a A380 available :( .
i'm a few years away from another build, but I hope there are 3 (or more) competitors my next time around.
You can also enable resizable bar on x99 systems, which also make fairly decent entry-level systems right now used.
My A750 was on special when I nabbed it and it just made the most sense at the time with limited availability of AMD and Nvidia cards near me at that time. Quick capsule review - It's OK. The performance is surprisingly good and comfy, BUT I've had lots of lousy crashes I do attribute to this card. The driver development is reassuring, the last update fixed Darktide crashes, I hope future updates improve stability and then I'll have no qualms recommending it.
1 month on after your comment,is the card any good?
@@abdullahcharoliasr2931 There have been pretty regular driver updates but I haven't been back to check the games I was crashing in. Still not recommending but I'm not swapping it out either...
Thanks for the heads up. The A750 (300€) is one of the cards I'm considering upgrading to later this year. The primary alternative is the RX6650XT (330€). Both options have their benefits.
Somehow there's nothing really competitive from Nvidia up to the price point of the 6650XT. There's the basic 2060 and the 3050 both hovering around 300€, but that is a bit much when the RX6600 is available for less (270€). Then there's the 1650/1660 lineup, which somehow isn't that much cheaper.
intel price/perf matches their crap GPUs to nvidya, Radeons are faster and better value yet are still overpriced because price and performance are pretty much of a 4 y.o. card - 5700xt (when it was new). rn 5700xt can be had for 200 bucks "new" or used for even less .
these prices don't make sense. mining is dead. nobody needs or buys these cards, yet corporations act like there's still insane demand on GPUs. and there is not. GPUs are overpriced at least x2 times, in fact more like x3 times if we account for the need to have any freaking progress in PC hardware
3070 and 6750xt should be 200 bucks GPUs by now, if leather jacket and his niece didn't destroy progress in PC hardware with overpriced af GPUs.
most of these games with "imprvements" are irrelevant already or run on a potato just fine.
I hear you Jay! I'm playing STALKER right now which came out in 2007 and it is amazing!! So many older PC games to play, ARC needs to support this for success.
ReBAR can be enabled from Sandy Bridge or something as long the mainboard has 4G decoding whether it is shown in the BIOS or not. I have enabled my i5-4690k (now with i7-5775C) with an Intel Arc A770 16GB and it works well enough.
I love how the rx 6600/6600xt was never mentioned although you can get them in the US new for the same price or lower. Consider them along with intel gpus, we need ngreedia to loose market share
NGREEDIA 💀
I got an A750 and it's been great. I was always happy with performance but it just keeps getting better. Even though I play cutting edge titles (Star Citizen etc) - I do still play Skyrim and other old titles from time to time, so the attention to DX9 is appreciated.
An Intel A750... and Star Citizen?
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, please upload a video of you playing Star Citizen on that GPU LOL!
@@clitmint I will at some point. Runs well - should be even better when Vulkan drops.
@@JagHiroshi
I just want to see those textures and pop-ins! LOL
@@clitmint It's no different from any other card from what I can see in that respect. I thought DX11 (where SC is at now) would be bad, but 3.17.5 is actually very good. 3.18 gen12 doesn't seem to have made the huge improvements people were hoping for - but it's just the bedrock for Vulkan. When that comes in, the A700 series will be great bang for buck for SC.
The only SC related issue I see is with a lighting bug that LTT mention but Intel are already working with the community to fix.
@@JagHiroshi
People looking at components with the view for "bang for buck" should ideally be lookint at AT LEAST 6700XT and up, or 3070/3070ti and up.
At least that way you've got actual forward looking hardware in your system simply because they do have actual headroom should anyone want to tinker with MSI Afterburner to get it.
As i recall, those cards mentioned above, are also efficient for their tiers in terms of being last gen parts. Both choices listed are cracking 1440p very high/ultra 60+fps cards, which in turn means if you're looking for high FPS cards for online shooter games, those cards will do very nicely indeed.
Anyone on AM4 would do themselves a massive favour by getting a 5800X3D.
If anyone was waiting for prices to lower before jumping on AM5, then at least wait for some price drops for the 7xxx-series X3D CPUs.
A 7800X3D or 7900X3D will be the base for a new golden combo with any of the newer GPUs for non-RTX games.
Better put, it won't matter if you go AMD or Nvidia for the GPU, as long as you have one of those 7xxx-series X3D CPUs to pair it with.
The whole idea of PC gaming if you remember, was to go all out in graphical quality and/or FPS, not try to match what the consoles are able to offer LOL
Modded Rebar into my X99 bios and saw a performance increase, drivers will complain if the rebar size does not match the card memory which is the issue with some "supported" bios versions
Hopefully the drivers keep improving in the way that they are
What gets me .. Is I play WoW and it never gets on the review list. . I play on a laptop with a 950M Dedicated card in the maching .. What would these newer systems do for my gameplay ? I'm considering going AM5 with the Ryzen 7700 .. when I can get a chance to do so and the new AMD 7700xt vid card and prolly just a simple 32 gig set of ram .. I just want to see how the games I play would turn out . Love the channel though Thank you for doing what you do ..
I’m going to get a b750 when it arrives for sure! Will be a big upgrade from my 3050
I'd temper your expectations. Intel's bled a TONNE of money from this division, and there's no guarantee there will be a desktop follow-up anything soon. I hope there is, but don't hold out for it.
My guy the 6600 XT would be a big upgrade from a 3050 right now.
Great to hear.
Thanks Jay!
I would definitely buy a $250 a750 over a $350+ 3060 but I don't think I'd seriously consider one over a $260 6650xt. They do look really nice though, intel came out and dropped the best looking FE cards on their first go.
Cheapest 6650 xt is $290
Are Intel GPUs work well with Ryzen cpu?
I think he would tell us if it wouldn't but good question!
with The newer Ryzen CPUs yes
uplift in those drivers
I'm keen to see what numbers the 770 crunches with the new drivers.
Good to see Intel doing well with Intel ARC GPUs!
Lol I will better go with amd cards ... In India I saw that acr 770 was priced ₹38000 and Rx 6700xt is ₹32000 and Rx 6750xt is ₹40000 literally why will I go for this piece of plastic 😂
Super proud of Intel's developement...I'm still rocking my 1060 6GB which I bought for 330€ and I would love to get a reasonable upgrade for somewhat same price. Intel is making that possible and depending on Nvidias low end I might skip. Should Intel remain this competitive I swear I will pick one up next gen. They already beat AMD at RT and upscaling so I'm extra hyped to see whats coming. Nvidia still has the best products but I'm not paying 600 bucks for a 60 tier card
Finally brought the A770 16gb addition last night, I would of liked to wait for the price drop here but stock rapidly dropped from 90 to 8 in the last three weeks and price increase of 10.
Well DXVK what they use can be used on many DX versions as Proton does. Pretty smart idea
My only issue with arc is needing a new motherboard and cpu to run it
new mobo?
huh new mobo and cpu?
@@9Z18Bs i bet he made the poor choice of buying intel.
@@9Z18Bs no sam
@@donbot5000 Or the IDIOT choice of AMD
You can find AMD 6600 for $250 and 6600xt for $275 if you wait for sales. Like once a month they will go to this price so you should compare them to that and not a 1650 or just a 3060
Stellaris is a Paradox space strategy game. Single and multiplayer mode, steep learning curve, IMHO, heavy CPU usage late game and in MP, tons of mods and really fun to play.
right now is an incredible time to build a budget system, and here’s why: you can go with an i3 12100f and an a750 with a budget b660, 16gb of 3200 ram, a very fast sn770 1tb ssd, and a 4000d airflow for $700! you can use the intel stock cooler even, and you will get very solid gaming performance even at 1440p, and not be spending $1000+ on overkill parts.
I switched from a 3070 to an a770 from launch day. I have not noticed any degradation in performance or daily usability since. The a770 is truly a great value, and greatly underappreciated.
got a buddy who over xmas sold his bro his 3080 because for the 3 games he plays 90% of the time, it was within close combat range even in one case giving better perf with RT on... and legacy titles we already used dxvk for those so.. it was never a problem..
they are a blast, and the drivers just keep getting better and better, the intel/arc discord is.. amusing, some of the "Experts" that comment dont even own the cards yet act like authorities on them.... saying stuff no owner agrees with over 90% of the time.. its sad but amusing.. "you cant run X game on arc" *posts screenshot of game running on a770* "you must be running that on your 1070".. nope, 1070 is even disabled in device manager sooo yeah..bloody noob... ;)
drivers matter and for any new hardware, those take time to mature, and it takes them being peoples hands to find bugs/flaws and sort them out... people often forget the days when amd/ati/nv where still in the process of building their drivers from the ground up, intels dont sooo much better then back then.... i mean me and my 4 friends who grabbed this acer card have all expected a more late 90-early 2k's exp.. instead bitch about trying to find titles that wont run.. checking the arc discord for claims games wont work.. and.. finding they do the majority of the time the most you need is dxvk/vkd3d... at worst.. and nglide/dgvoodoo for old glide titles.. :)
Thanks for that. Intel saving me money is a concept I am having trouble wrapping my head around.
The arc would have to be 180 for me to buy it over an Rx 6600.
Neat, go do that then.
The a770 is better than the 6600. It's for more ram, better ray tracing and more performance. No need for AMD fanboyism. Where is RX 7600? Oh right AMD was too focused on trying to sell our $1,000+ GPUs on the high end to bother with the low end tier
I would love to see VR support on the a750/770!! The cards are clearly fast enough for it, and it's worth supporting it if you ask me.
Wait, so you can't launch Steam and play a VR game with Intel GPUs?
@officialjosefff they are not fully supported. It's hella laggy and stutters a lot. You can launch Steam VR, but it's basically unplayable. And I don't think the Oculus Software will launch at all, so if you use a Quest, you're screwed.
8th gen also got rebar support. At least on Asus Strix boards
As someone with a 7900 xtx, I want to know more about these new drivers :). Although tbh it already runs everything I throw at it with my jaw on the floor compared to what I used to have
Imagine what you could have spent that money on if you had bought an arc A770 Instead
@@username8644 No, the opposite. I had gone so long before upgrading that even if my 7900 isn't running as fast as it should which supposedly may be helped with the upcoming drivers it still blows away what I'm used to.