In this video we check my Taurus 605 in 357 magnum for any continuing problems or issues in its function after having sent it in to Taurus for repairs.
@@texmexshoots To be fair, I should probably point out that S&W is headed in the very same direction. For the moment, they remain far superior to Taurus, but also ignore problems that could get people killed, and deny the very existence of those problems, right to your face.
thanks for the video, no problems with my 605 and shot both 357 and 38, shot it with 2 cartridge in cylinder , with full cylinder, Taurus should just replace the whole gun itself so it could improve their customer service reviews
All my other Taurus revolvers work with only two as well. It just seems to be this one for me that has some balance issue that keeps the cylinder from rotating. Plan on sending it back again and hoping they will just replace it.
@@kevinwilson9589 Thanks for watching Kevin. I did exactly that. Even sent them this link. Have another video about it. Sadly the issue persisted. I'm considering selling it cheap to a friend (who knows about the issues) and putting the money toward another project.
There are a lot 605 and 856 revolvers with the same issue. The problem is as soon as you slightly pull the trigger, the cylinder rotates out of time before the hand catches the ratchet tooth. Can be fixed by reshaping the hand under the nose so that it sticks out further from the frame. This allows the hand to catch the cylinder/ratchet tooth much sooner.
I enjoyed the video. a few months ago I bought two Taurus defender revolvers 357mag. a 2and 3 in models. both work flawlessly so far I put spring kit's in both. I need to work on center adjusting but if I don't I bought them for close quarters combat. 30 to 45 feet max . I can hold to the right a few inches if I don't fix them. I've in the last 4 or so years bought 3 Taurus revolvers and 4 semi automatic pistols and all 7 work flawlessly. they do the same as all my outher brands of side arms ,work flawlessly and accurately. I definitely would buy another Taurus product. in the future I might have a problem but you can get that with any brand of firearms. Papa wishing you well
Thanks Johnnymccann5607! I'm glad you are enjoying your Taurus firearms and that they are all functioning flawlessly! Replacing spring kits can do a lot to smooth out the action and solidify reliability. Years ago I bought a Taurus M62 22lr pump that was a ton of fun to shoot. Ended up giving it to my niece. Now I wish I had bought two!
Thanks, this helps me evaluate future revolver purchases. Consider doing a short part 3 follow up after sending Taurus a link to this video and getting clarification on what exactly they mean with “cylinder headspace.”
Glad to hear it Larry! I've sent the revolver back in to Taurus with a more detailed description of the problem (this video), so I'm hoping it will get fixed this time.
Hey there Super! I sent the 605 back in to Taurus and received it back yesterday. I'll head back out with it soon and do another video update. However, I can tell you that the issue would not appear when the cylinder was fully loaded.@@Super804boy
Thanks for doing the video, this is very important info that 605 owners need to know. Very interesting, did you try shooting single action to see if that helps? also you could have loaded 2 rounds opposite side of each other to see if that made a difference. obviously there is a problem with the ratcheting system and headspace. regardless, after all your testing and the return to Taurus for repair, how can you ever trust that gun to work properly. i would ask for all my money back for the gun and reimbursement for all expenses.
Thanks for watching! Based on some of the comments to this video, I've decided to send it back to Taurus and let them have another go at fixing the problem. Just mailed it out a few days ago on their dime. I'll make another video once I get it back. I did not try to counter balance with two other rounds. I'm sure that would have probably helped. Although the problem would occur in single action, it was rare and depended on how quickly I cocked the hammer.
I'm going to recommend another youtuber to watch this. He is an armor and shoots revolver competition so he may have some insight, but I'm sure it will be limited only seeing it in a video. With my limited knowledge of revolvers it appears that the "push bar" that engages the teeth or gear on the rear of the cylinder is slipping off the gear as it rises. I'm not sure why or why it is doing this with only two rounds as opposed to five rounds. It is frustrating that a nice little DA revolver like this is only working at 50%. I'm really pulling for this issue to be resolved. Thanks for the video. Now i need to watch the Lazy man brisket to see if I can make me one of those on the smoker.
Thanks Cervus. I appreciate your insight. Your observations are correct, something in the mechanism is slipping. I would like to resolve the issue but not sure if I should send it back to Taurus again. Any advice from someone with knowledge would be great! So I very much appreciate you passing the video along. For now I have lost faith is using this revolver.
Mine was Shaving off projectiles and spraying them back, I sent it in to Taurus and they claimed they adjusted the forcing cone. I don't believe they did anything what so ever to it. it is still shaving off shrapnel when firing it. This issue is a problem and when speaking with Taurus on the follow up it was a joke. I was told to just send it in again and it maybe the Gunsmiths will get it right this time. I Shit you not!
Sadly that seems to be the SOP for Taurus gunsmiths. I even sent them the last video showing exactly what the problem was and they never tested it partially loaded.
Thanks rman8853! Due to some prodding from some of my viewers, I plan on contacting Taurus one more time. Let's see if they will send me another shipping label to send it in again.
A friend of mine had the opposite problem with his 605 ( the cylinder would not rotate every time on single- action). I took it apart and was disgusted by the tool marks and general shabbiness of the construction. I could not repair it and told him to send it back. Similar things have happened to me and other friends with Taurus. The bottom line is this: If you can afford a higher quality gun than Taurus, get it.
Dont put your faith in anything under the sun son. All things will fail from time to time. Nothing is 100% except death, taxes, and God. Figure out the mechanics, talk to others over coffee and food. You’d be surprised who might know shit. You’ll create a community or fellowship with 2 or 3 like minded folks. Take it apart, file and sand some stuff. Improvise, adapt, overcome. Just because something doesn’t work don’t give up on it. Everything seems disposable nowadays. There’s gonna be a time when you can’t just send shit back because it’s not 100%. That’s when you call those 3 buddies because you need a firearm to get dinner for the family quickly or because bad guys are creeping around the neighborhood. Again. Adapt, overcome. If you can’t pray.
Thanks for watching George. I've been told that some of the newer models do not have this problem. It's likely an issue with the cylinder stop disengaging too quickly and the gear hand not making enough contact to keep the cylinder from rotating due to the unbalanced weight of the two rounds. Just disappointed they were not able to fix it.
I have a 605 with a 3" barrel and never had this problem . I do have to make sure to keep the Crane Screw tight and don't use Grease or sometime the Bolt won't lock the Cylinder .I did send mine in and had the hand replaced .
I watched the last video closely and then was awaiting this video to hear what Taurus Customer Service said. Going back in time I carried an issued S&W Model 66 revolver although my department only fired .38 Special reloads for practice, and issued .38+P for duty carry. However, I probably shot my pistol more in 2-years than most deputies shot in a career. Our department armorer took my pistol and “stretched” the craned. He was afraid that at the level of shooting I was doing that the crane might compress under constant use and cause me light hammer strikes or other problems. In watching your slow-motion footage, the cylinder begins to move but then stops. I bet this would also happen if you loaded only the two bottom chambers, so there would be two empties to rotate through. But if there is enough weight on the left side chambers it might rotate properly. I think what Taurus did was something like stretching the crane so that the hand has enough contract, long enough to rotate the cylinder. Have you shot much .357 Magnum through it, or heavy weight ,38+P? Does the cylinder rotate properly if there are only one or two live cartridge and the other chambers have an empty casing? Very sad. I wanted to like and recommend this little pocket pistol.
Hey there Frank! I need to do some additional testing with the revolver. If I load five rounds, it seems to work fine. Even with the two loaded, it worked once in a while but not consistently. Maybe if I put one round on the other side to counter balance the cylinder it might function. At this point I just don't trust it enough to recommend it as a self-defense revolver. That being said, the Taurus Ultra-lite 38 Spl +P had no issues when only loading two rounds. So maybe it is just my revolver and there is something in the mechanism that isn't quite working. I should send it back to Taurus, but I'm not sure I want to deal with the hassle again. So I may just load it with CCI shot shells and keep it for pest control.
I have the same 605 model and mine fires every single time no issues. With revolvers, it's usually one or two things that cause them to skip. One is debris under the star. The second is the star is worn down and needs to be replaced.
That’s nuts. I have a tx22. I stopped counting at 3,015 rounds but no issues except nose diving if I use the loading tabs. If I load it like a normal let’s say glock and just push the rounds in it’s fine. Did that the last 1500 or so and no more nose dive. I love my tx22 and want the compact. Maybe luck of the draw on your part idk
Interesting im on the fence with this one i carry a 605 3inch defender with front night site as my nite stand gun. I'm torn between if you look hard enough for anything you can find it. The comments about you should carry a Bond Derringer was funny. But i love taurus
Oh wow, this is concerning...was about to seriously consider this, because I want a wheel gun for carry, but...guess I'll look at other brands lol...I suspect the cylinder is not "stable" enuf, and it shows when you only load 4 or less rounds, but when you have all 5 rounds in, the cyclinder is balanced. I saw another vid for this gun and the cyclinder has a little play...and I bit its most noticeable when empty.
I was disappointed with the results. I just don't trust it anymore for self-defense. Glad you enjoyed the video and I hope you are able to find a nice revolver for yourself. I have another video where I shoot a few different smiths. I think they still offer the air weight without a lock.
@@texmexshoots Tnx...look at the Ruger SP101 lately, bit pricey, but hey, gotta pay for quality lol. Wife has the S&W 640, which is great, but I want one with a hammer, that's a big deal for me. We'll see what I get lol
@@luskvideoproductions869check out the 638, 637 if you want a hammer. I personally know of a 642-2 that made it 5k rounds with zero issues. Gun company I worked for tested all their competitors guns against theirs to see what breaks first to improve their revolver they made and were doing an update on. Don’t know how they all faired but know the 642 was still going strong
I would still get a Taurus 605 if I were you. S&W is half assed, same with colt. At least Taurus is the best bang for the buck and they fix any issues that you have. Meanwhile I hear S&W customer service is a nightmare.
I think it comes down to the cylinder being unbalanced when there is only ammunition on one side and the hand not making enough contact to rotate it during cycling. I've tried the same thing with other revolvers (Ruger / S&W and even other Taurus) and they work fine. Seems to be something specific to this 605.
Okay #1 make Taurus eat this simply out of principle. You have quite good documentation and they simply need to keep working on it and paying for shipping and/or replace the firearm! They should have recreated the initial complaint first, assuming you explained it accurately, prior to working on it. They should have replaced the cylinder stop and plunger simply because it's stupid easy and may help. They should have inspected the hand and star assembly on the cylinder to make sure they are not deformed and interfacing properly assuming the head space was actually corrected(if that was the only issue). Obviously you can gage head space and know that. Those star assemblies can be real rough out of the factory. Star assemblies and hands can make it through manufacturing and assembly deformed. If they are too deformed they will not interface correctly. If there is way too much clearance with head space it simply means the frame is out of spec and they need to replace the firearm. Period!!!! Tell them you're going to document all of this for the world to see. This is how you fix stupid and your firearm. Thanks for you video! Test the timing ie. Hand to Star assembly interface, look at this: ua-cam.com/video/r6g8kMFpI9M/v-deo.html
@@texmexshoots okay good luck, look forward to a follow up video if you can. Do not adopt the "is what it is" moto that's why this country is in a whole lot of trouble right now. This attitude=non action; is for bovine herds not people, unless that's what the people want: to be treated like cattle!
I have the same gun and tried several times to replicate your problem with no luck. I even tried 1, 2, 3 and 4 bullet combinations and it fired without incident. I suspect you have a bent or damaged drive gear. It is not uncommon to damage a drive gear when cleaning by pulling on the gear with a cleaning cloth when caught.
Thanks for watching Tony. I can't confirm but have heard that they made some changes with the newer models. This one is over a decade old so that might be the problem. Just disappointed that Taurus couldn't figure it out.
Hey there, John! Thanks for watching. To be fair some posters have stated that the newer production 605 do not have this issue, but I have no confirmation of that.
Lets see if you try this with other Revolvers. The thing is no one just have just two rounds in their revolvers. Get a Bonds gun. I think is is your issue.
Hey there Robert. Thanks for watching. I was placing two rounds side by side in the cylinder. I would close the cylinder on an empty chamber with the next one being the live round. When pulling the trigger in double action, the weight of the two rounds would cause the cylinder hand to slip and the cylinder would not rotate to the next chamber (holding the live round).
Thanks RajunCajun! I agree that they should be able to get it to function with any amount of ammunition. At this point I would like them to replace it.
Taurus has made a lot of firearms over the years. It seems that most people find their revolvers to be reliable. I myself have had a few and this was the only one that had issues. To be fair, I've had firearms from many different manufacturers fail. My issue with Taurus in this particular case is that they failed to fix the firearm after two trips back to them for service.
😂I just got it back from its second trip to Taurus. Hopefully I'll be able to get out of the city in the next couple of weeks to give it another try and post another update.
I shot a box of 20 rds of self defense ammo with no hiccups. I know 20rds aint enough but oh well. The only problem I have with mine is that black horrible parkerized finish. The very first time I carried it, My belly sweat corroded the metal part behind the grip(using hogue grips) And the area by the hammer. I had only carried it for about 2 hours and it rusted haha.
Hello Tex Mex! New sub today. Looking through the comments, we have a few common friends. I just bought the 3 inch 605 TORO on Monday, and I'm having a different issue. Mine works okay in double action, but when cocking in single action, the cylinder stop is not rising fast enough to lock the cylinder and results in a misfire (or, sometimes I think I'm shaving the side of the bullet in the forcing cone) and noticeable blowback. Your issue was a problem that Gun Sam had and it seems that both of you had no satisfaction with Taurus service. I may just try to fix mine myself...
Hey there marcthomas2482, thank you for the support! I am sorry to hear about the issue with your 605 Toro. You may want to send it off to Taurus anyway since I have fixed some issues for me in the past. As it is, it should only cost you the time of calling in and getting them to email you a fed ex shipping label. Well, that and getting it to a Fex Ex office. The turn around time was about two weeks and hopefully it will get your issue resolved. At least that is my advice as I am a novice gunsmith at best. Keeping my fingers crossed for you that it all gets sorted out!
You should have repeated the experiment with three spent rounds and two live rounds. My thinking is the weight of three spent rounds is enough to help the cylinder spin to the fourth round. So, it may be an issue of weight causing the cylinder to not function. Otherwise, a good video. I am totally surprised.
That's a good idea Stephen. Should have thought of that. Although to support your idea I will say that when I fired it with a full cylinder, there were no issues. So at that point the spent casings should have helped balance the cylinder.
You kinda did when you shot 3 of the 5 rds. Though placing two live rds and an empty in it, closing the cylinder, and firing maybe results in a different outcome.
Thanks for watching ellwoodwolf. Although I'm sure I did hesitate during the trigger pull in some of the testing, I didn't hesitate every time. The problem persisted over and over. If the revolver is so delicate that it takes a certain trigger pull for it to function, then in my opinion it is not trustworthy for self defense.
Let me clarify. Are you having issues opening your cylinder on a new 605? I'm not a gunsmith and it could be a variety of issues. I would contact Taurus directly for help.
Good to hear stoner gravy. As I said in my video, I am not knocking Taurus. I think regardless of manufacturer it is important to test your firearm before you use it for self defense. Any manufacturer can make a lemon and you need to make sure your firearm works before you trust your life to it.
As long as you carry a full cylinder, it’s probably about an issue. It really is just a problem when you only have a couple of rounds, causing too much weight on one side of the cylinder.
I have a 605 blue steel .357. The problem I have is the cylinder jamming and getting stuck and not rotating when firing rounds through it. Anybody else have this “stuck” non rotating cylinder?
Mine hasn't had that issue, but I would recommend taking a brass brush with some bore cleaner and give a good scrubbing around the outside of the forcing cone. Sometimes residue build up on the forcing cone or around it can cause it to stick.
I want to like Taurus, but there is just hundreds of videos of poor craftsmanship and reliability- why on earth should I buy something that might fail when I need it to do the one thing it should do ! There aren’t nearly as many videos of other brands failures
@@texmexshoots they all make a lemon or dud as they say I've heard of bad cones on smith wesson and rugers out of time a bad one gets thru once in awhile how customer service handles it what matters
I've had other posing claims that Taurus has resolved this issue with the newer models. Mine is from 2014. However I can't confirm or deny that they have made any changes to the design.
@@texmexshoots That's really good to know. Thanks for the info! I'm going to do a little more research but if they truly fixed it then I might get one.
@@texmexshoots It was bad. I got my 605 home and went to load it and the cylender assembly hit the floor. I freaked. I looked online and that happes a lot. In a fire fight it will get you killed. I was able to find the yoke assembly, (screw, springer and pin) and take it to the range. I will wiggle loose every 40-50 shots. I am holding it in with blue loctite but I have not fired it to test the loctite. If the yoke is loose it may cause the cylender to be misassigned. I believe this will result in the bullet getting sheared and causing scrapnel blowback. That said you cannot get the yoke screw assembly as Taurus has not had them in some time. I called them and was told that they are on order from the factory and there is no eta
Sadly after sending it back a second time, the issue persisted. I did have some viewers on the subsequent video give some tips on how they were able to do some gun smithing on their own.
I would send it back and make them give you a refund. There is no excuse for their lack of quality. They are supposed to work for you to earn your business.
Thanks for watching Xwing. I have not had the same issue with my model 85. As it is, Taurus agreed to look at my 605 again and I received it back a couple of weeks ago. Once I have an opportunity to test fire it again, I will post a new video update.
That's certainly possible Joe, but I have found at lest one other youtuber that had the same issue on a model 856. Also not fixed after sending it in for work TWICE: ua-cam.com/video/XYiUWU3aBVM/v-deo.html
ha, hey thanks for responding. Very cool. Yea, I had one that the hammer was moving side to side. I called them up and said I dont want to be OCD, but, they said send it in. I did tell them I wanted to CCW this item. Anyway, very quickly they called me up after they received it, they said the frame is out of spec. They could refund my money or send me a brand-new replacement. I took a new one. It seems fine. BUT, Credit where credit is due, I will do your test at the range shortly. So, I do appreciate this vid. Best Wishes.
@@joesheetstheragman7737 They certainly have responsive customer service. They have always communicated well with me. It's just this one revolver that seems to be a pain. To be fair, it works if I fully load it. It's strange that just the lack of weight of even the shell casings push it out of balance. Hope your new one works great!
Headspacing is an entirely too complex of a topic to describe in a simple comment, but to be overly reductive, it is the distance of the case head to the bolt face (the bolt face of a revolver being the recoil shield). Saying that there was a problem with headspace implies too much headspace... in other words, there is too much distance between the back of the cylinder to the back of the frame. I think what they are implying is that the hand had too much play in order to properly drive the cylinder
Thanks for the info Graham! Makes sense. Sadly the problem still persists. I suppose the easy answer is to always load a full cylinder, but in the end I have faith in this revolver.
@@texmexshoots In the end, you do have faith in it, still? Or type, and left out "don't"? Just got a Defender 3 inch so I'm hoping mine doesn't do this. I will test for it at the range. I did conduct your test with two steel snap caps with rubber backing of course, and it didn't slip like this. I'd suggest contacting Taurus and stating "Hey, you guys did NOT fix the problem, the issue still persists. Send me another label, please." Your money you paid for it isn't broken. Politely, but assertively stand on their warranty until it comes back working.
Neither did I. Just happened when I was loading two rounds at a time when filming some slo mo footage. I did send it back to Taurus again, so lets see if they are able to get it fixed.
Thanks for watching. I can honestly say I do not feel the cylinder touching my thumb. I'd expect to feel some sort of sensation from the cylinder dragging against it.
@@texmexshoots probably but when I shoot I seem to be so engrossed with the sight picture and squeezing the trigger properly that I couldn’t even tell you what the recoil felt like. I just purchased a used 605 that I haven’t shot yet, I’ll be trying to recreate this now.
@@fat_basturd5345 Sorry, I didn't meant to cause you anxiety about your purchase. Many people report that their 605's work perfectly. Plus, even with my issue, the this revolver functions fine if the cylinder is fully loaded.
Taurus: 'Every gun, pre-broken from the factory'. They ought to call this one the "Russian Roulette Special".
Thanks for watching David! I am disappointed in the repair.
@@texmexshoots To be fair, I should probably point out that S&W is headed in the very same direction. For the moment, they remain far superior to Taurus, but also ignore problems that could get people killed, and deny the very existence of those problems, right to your face.
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I was going to buy a Taurus 605 next week but now I am definitely having second thoughts, thank you so much for the video and information. 🇺🇲💪🇺🇲💪🇺🇲
Glad I could help Nathan! Good luck finding something right for you. Lots of options out there.
Same here… not sure what to get now since I was dead set on this.
@@StepCrow The Charter Arms is a good choice as they don't fall apart and the price is pretty lwow.
thanks for the video, no problems with my 605 and shot both 357 and 38, shot it with 2 cartridge in cylinder , with full cylinder, Taurus should just replace the whole gun itself so it could improve their customer service reviews
All my other Taurus revolvers work with only two as well. It just seems to be this one for me that has some balance issue that keeps the cylinder from rotating. Plan on sending it back again and hoping they will just replace it.
@@texmexshootsPerhaps when sent back next time, describe exactly what is happening, and suggest they replace the hand.
@@kevinwilson9589 Thanks for watching Kevin. I did exactly that. Even sent them this link. Have another video about it. Sadly the issue persisted. I'm considering selling it cheap to a friend (who knows about the issues) and putting the money toward another project.
There are a lot 605 and 856 revolvers with the same issue. The problem is as soon as you slightly pull the trigger, the cylinder rotates out of time before the hand catches the ratchet tooth. Can be fixed by reshaping the hand under the nose so that it sticks out further from the frame. This allows the hand to catch the cylinder/ratchet tooth much sooner.
Thanks for the info! That's good to know. Hopefully it can help out others dealing with this issue.
I got in touch with Taurus customer service, and they informed me that 605 revolvers manufactured after 2018 have rectified the problem
Good to know! Wish they had figured out a way to fix the old ones though.
Thanks for that very valuable information. BTW has lifetime warranty. 👍👍
I enjoyed the video. a few months ago I bought two Taurus defender revolvers 357mag. a 2and 3 in models. both work flawlessly so far
I put spring kit's in both. I need to work on center adjusting but if I don't I bought them for close quarters combat. 30 to 45 feet max . I can hold to the right a few inches if I don't fix them. I've in the last 4 or so years bought 3 Taurus revolvers and 4 semi automatic pistols and all 7 work flawlessly. they do the same as all my outher brands of side arms ,work flawlessly and accurately. I definitely would buy another Taurus product. in the future I might have a problem but you can get that with any brand of firearms. Papa wishing you well
Thanks Johnnymccann5607! I'm glad you are enjoying your Taurus firearms and that they are all functioning flawlessly! Replacing spring kits can do a lot to smooth out the action and solidify reliability.
Years ago I bought a Taurus M62 22lr pump that was a ton of fun to shoot. Ended up giving it to my niece. Now I wish I had bought two!
Im glad my 856 works right. So sad you have this issue. They really need to fix it right.
My Taurus 85 ultra-lite also works great. Sadly it was just this one revolver that has the issue they can’t fix.
Thanks, this helps me evaluate future revolver purchases. Consider doing a short part 3 follow up after sending Taurus a link to this video and getting clarification on what exactly they mean with “cylinder headspace.”
Thank you for watching commandZee! Not happy with my 605. That's not a bad idea to forward them the video. I wonder if they would even watch it?
There is a reason they are less than half the price of others.
1000 plus rounds through my 605 never a problem
Glad to hear it Larry! I've sent the revolver back in to Taurus with a more detailed description of the problem (this video), so I'm hoping it will get fixed this time.
Did you try just loading it halfway like in the video? Just curious because I was thinking about getting one.
Hey there Super! I sent the 605 back in to Taurus and received it back yesterday. I'll head back out with it soon and do another video update. However, I can tell you that the issue would not appear when the cylinder was fully loaded.@@Super804boy
No I run mine fully loaded
Same here, not a single issue. Thanks God
Thanks for doing the video, this is very important info that 605 owners need to know. Very interesting, did you try shooting single action to see if that helps? also you could have loaded 2 rounds opposite side of each other to see if that made a difference. obviously there is a problem with the ratcheting system and headspace. regardless, after all your testing and the return to Taurus for repair, how can you ever trust that gun to work properly. i would ask for all my money back for the gun and reimbursement for all expenses.
Thanks for watching! Based on some of the comments to this video, I've decided to send it back to Taurus and let them have another go at fixing the problem. Just mailed it out a few days ago on their dime. I'll make another video once I get it back.
I did not try to counter balance with two other rounds. I'm sure that would have probably helped. Although the problem would occur in single action, it was rare and depended on how quickly I cocked the hammer.
I'm going to recommend another youtuber to watch this. He is an armor and shoots revolver competition so he may have some insight, but I'm sure it will be limited only seeing it in a video. With my limited knowledge of revolvers it appears that the "push bar" that engages the teeth or gear on the rear of the cylinder is slipping off the gear as it rises. I'm not sure why or why it is doing this with only two rounds as opposed to five rounds. It is frustrating that a nice little DA revolver like this is only working at 50%. I'm really pulling for this issue to be resolved. Thanks for the video. Now i need to watch the Lazy man brisket to see if I can make me one of those on the smoker.
Thanks Cervus. I appreciate your insight. Your observations are correct, something in the mechanism is slipping. I would like to resolve the issue but not sure if I should send it back to Taurus again. Any advice from someone with knowledge would be great! So I very much appreciate you passing the video along. For now I have lost faith is using this revolver.
Mine was Shaving off projectiles and spraying them back, I sent it in to Taurus and they claimed they adjusted the forcing cone. I don't believe they did anything what so ever to it. it is still shaving off shrapnel when firing it. This issue is a problem and when speaking with Taurus on the follow up it was a joke. I was told to just send it in again and it maybe the Gunsmiths will get it right this time. I Shit you not!
Sadly that seems to be the SOP for Taurus gunsmiths. I even sent them the last video showing exactly what the problem was and they never tested it partially loaded.
I agree, it is NOT acceptable. It should fire 100% of the time, no excuses.
Thanks for letting us know, and sorry you got the shaft on this one.
Thanks rman8853! Due to some prodding from some of my viewers, I plan on contacting Taurus one more time. Let's see if they will send me another shipping label to send it in again.
A friend of mine had the opposite problem with his 605 ( the cylinder would not rotate every time on single- action). I took it apart and was disgusted by the tool marks and general shabbiness of the construction. I could not repair it and told him to send it back. Similar things have happened to me and other friends with Taurus. The bottom line is this: If you can afford a higher quality gun than Taurus, get it.
Sadly that does seem to be the end result of my testing.
I have heard it said that when you buy a taurus you are the quality control department. 😉
LOL! 😅
Dont put your faith in anything under the sun son. All things will fail from time to time. Nothing is 100% except death, taxes, and God. Figure out the mechanics, talk to others over coffee and food. You’d be surprised who might know shit. You’ll create a community or fellowship with 2 or 3 like minded folks. Take it apart, file and sand some stuff. Improvise, adapt, overcome. Just because something doesn’t work don’t give up on it. Everything seems disposable nowadays. There’s gonna be a time when you can’t just send shit back because it’s not 100%. That’s when you call those 3 buddies because you need a firearm to get dinner for the family quickly or because bad guys are creeping around the neighborhood. Again. Adapt, overcome. If you can’t pray.
Thanks RiverCrow. I appreciate your wise words. Take care and stay safe.
I own a 605 mine wrks pretty good I did your 2 round thing worked fine
Thanks for watching George. I've been told that some of the newer models do not have this problem. It's likely an issue with the cylinder stop disengaging too quickly and the gear hand not making enough contact to keep the cylinder from rotating due to the unbalanced weight of the two rounds. Just disappointed they were not able to fix it.
I have a 605 with a 3" barrel and never had this problem . I do have to make sure to keep the Crane Screw tight and don't use Grease or sometime the Bolt won't lock the Cylinder .I did send mine in and had the hand replaced .
Thanks for watching Woodrow! Glad to hear your revolver is working well. Maybe I need to check the Crane Screw myself.
I watched the last video closely and then was awaiting this video to hear what Taurus Customer Service said.
Going back in time I carried an issued S&W Model 66 revolver although my department only fired .38 Special reloads for practice, and issued .38+P for duty carry. However, I probably shot my pistol more in 2-years than most deputies shot in a career. Our department armorer took my pistol and “stretched” the craned. He was afraid that at the level of shooting I was doing that the crane might compress under constant use and cause me light hammer strikes or other problems.
In watching your slow-motion footage, the cylinder begins to move but then stops. I bet this would also happen if you loaded only the two bottom chambers, so there would be two empties to rotate through. But if there is enough weight on the left side chambers it might rotate properly.
I think what Taurus did was something like stretching the crane so that the hand has enough contract, long enough to rotate the cylinder. Have you shot much .357 Magnum through it, or heavy weight ,38+P? Does the cylinder rotate properly if there are only one or two live cartridge and the other chambers have an empty casing?
Very sad. I wanted to like and recommend this little pocket pistol.
Hey there Frank! I need to do some additional testing with the revolver. If I load five rounds, it seems to work fine. Even with the two loaded, it worked once in a while but not consistently. Maybe if I put one round on the other side to counter balance the cylinder it might function.
At this point I just don't trust it enough to recommend it as a self-defense revolver. That being said, the Taurus Ultra-lite 38 Spl +P had no issues when only loading two rounds. So maybe it is just my revolver and there is something in the mechanism that isn't quite working.
I should send it back to Taurus, but I'm not sure I want to deal with the hassle again. So I may just load it with CCI shot shells and keep it for pest control.
Wow - I was considering getting this gun. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching. I will say my Taurus Ultra-Lite does not suffer from this problem. But they could not fix my 605 to be completely reliable.
I have the same 605 model and mine fires every single time no issues. With revolvers, it's usually one or two things that cause them to skip. One is debris under the star. The second is the star is worn down and needs to be replaced.
Thanks for the info Wood Dawg! I wish you had been the one fixing my revolver since it sounds like you know your stuff.👍
Like most of their products…HARD PASS!!!
I got talked into buying their TX 22 competition recently. Nothing but problems after problems.
Thanks for watching Ben. Not happy with Taurus for sending it back without resolving the issue.
That’s nuts. I have a tx22. I stopped counting at 3,015 rounds but no issues except nose diving if I use the loading tabs. If I load it like a normal let’s say glock and just push the rounds in it’s fine. Did that the last 1500 or so and no more nose dive. I love my tx22 and want the compact. Maybe luck of the draw on your part idk
Interesting im on the fence with this one i carry a 605 3inch defender with front night site as my nite stand gun.
I'm torn between if you look hard enough for anything you can find it.
The comments about you should carry a Bond Derringer was funny. But i love taurus
Thanks for watching user. It seems to be a very particular problem when loading only two rounds. For most people this should never be an issue.
Oh wow, this is concerning...was about to seriously consider this, because I want a wheel gun for carry, but...guess I'll look at other brands lol...I suspect the cylinder is not "stable" enuf, and it shows when you only load 4 or less rounds, but when you have all 5 rounds in, the cyclinder is balanced. I saw another vid for this gun and the cyclinder has a little play...and I bit its most noticeable when empty.
I was disappointed with the results. I just don't trust it anymore for self-defense. Glad you enjoyed the video and I hope you are able to find a nice revolver for yourself. I have another video where I shoot a few different smiths. I think they still offer the air weight without a lock.
@@texmexshoots Tnx...look at the Ruger SP101 lately, bit pricey, but hey, gotta pay for quality lol. Wife has the S&W 640, which is great, but I want one with a hammer, that's a big deal for me. We'll see what I get lol
@@luskvideoproductions869check out the 638, 637 if you want a hammer. I personally know of a 642-2 that made it 5k rounds with zero issues. Gun company I worked for tested all their competitors guns against theirs to see what breaks first to improve their revolver they made and were doing an update on. Don’t know how they all faired but know the 642 was still going strong
I would still get a Taurus 605 if I were you. S&W is half assed, same with colt. At least Taurus is the best bang for the buck and they fix any issues that you have. Meanwhile I hear S&W customer service is a nightmare.
Thanks for the video, it’s very interesting. I’ve never heard of this issue and I’m really curious as to what the problem is. It’s definitely weird.
I think it comes down to the cylinder being unbalanced when there is only ammunition on one side and the hand not making enough contact to rotate it during cycling. I've tried the same thing with other revolvers (Ruger / S&W and even other Taurus) and they work fine. Seems to be something specific to this 605.
Okay #1 make Taurus eat this simply out of principle. You have quite good documentation and they simply need to keep working on it and paying for shipping and/or replace the firearm! They should have recreated the initial complaint first, assuming you explained it accurately, prior to working on it. They should have replaced the cylinder stop and plunger simply because it's stupid easy and may help. They should have inspected the hand and star assembly on the cylinder to make sure they are not deformed and interfacing properly assuming the head space was actually corrected(if that was the only issue). Obviously you can gage head space and know that. Those star assemblies can be real rough out of the factory. Star assemblies and hands can make it through manufacturing and assembly deformed. If they are too deformed they will not interface correctly. If there is way too much clearance with head space it simply means the frame is out of spec and they need to replace the firearm. Period!!!! Tell them you're going to document all of this for the world to see. This is how you fix stupid and your firearm. Thanks for you video!
Test the timing ie. Hand to Star assembly interface, look at this:
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Thanks for all the info gidim8367! I think I will take your advice. Just need more time to get this revolver sent back to Taurus.
@@texmexshoots okay good luck, look forward to a follow up video if you can. Do not adopt the "is what it is" moto that's why this country is in a whole lot of trouble right now. This attitude=non action; is for bovine herds not people, unless that's what the people want: to be treated like cattle!
“bovine herds” - 🤡 luv it!👍👍👍🤡😊
Check with Gun Sam, he had the same issue with one of his Taurus an 856 I believe.
Thanks Larry! I'll see if I can message him.
I have the same gun and tried several times to replicate your problem with no luck. I even tried 1, 2, 3 and 4 bullet combinations and it fired without incident. I suspect you have a bent or damaged drive gear. It is not uncommon to damage a drive gear when cleaning by pulling on the gear with a cleaning cloth when caught.
Thanks for watching Tony. I can't confirm but have heard that they made some changes with the newer models. This one is over a decade old so that might be the problem. Just disappointed that Taurus couldn't figure it out.
Thank you for doing that .
Happy to be putting info out there. Disappointed with the results, but they are what they are.
Was looking to get one but no way. Thanks!
Hey there, John! Thanks for watching. To be fair some posters have stated that the newer production 605 do not have this issue, but I have no confirmation of that.
Lets see if you try this with other Revolvers. The thing is no one just have just two rounds in their revolvers. Get a Bonds gun. I think is is your issue.
Thanks for watching Jonathan. I have tried it with other revolvers as well, including other Taurus revolvers without that issue.
how would it fire? its going to an empty chamber. have mine for 12 years never a problem.
Hey there Robert. Thanks for watching. I was placing two rounds side by side in the cylinder. I would close the cylinder on an empty chamber with the next one being the live round. When pulling the trigger in double action, the weight of the two rounds would cause the cylinder hand to slip and the cylinder would not rotate to the next chamber (holding the live round).
Send that back please! I can't believe what I saw! They need to fix it correctly to operate with any amount of rounds you choose to load it with!
Thanks RajunCajun! I agree that they should be able to get it to function with any amount of ammunition. At this point I would like them to replace it.
The prawl is not interfacing with the ejection star properly. They could change parts all day and never fix it. It's an engineering issue.
The first gun i ever got was that Taurus g3c and it was a piece of juck i got the 38 snub after that no issues what so ever
Taurus has made a lot of firearms over the years. It seems that most people find their revolvers to be reliable. I myself have had a few and this was the only one that had issues. To be fair, I've had firearms from many different manufacturers fail. My issue with Taurus in this particular case is that they failed to fix the firearm after two trips back to them for service.
Must be the CA-compliant version
😂I just got it back from its second trip to Taurus. Hopefully I'll be able to get out of the city in the next couple of weeks to give it another try and post another update.
WOW THANK YOU
Thanks for watching Steven!
I shot a box of 20 rds of self defense ammo with no hiccups. I know 20rds aint enough but oh well. The only problem I have with mine is that black horrible parkerized finish. The very first time I carried it, My belly sweat corroded the metal part behind the grip(using hogue grips) And the area by the hammer. I had only carried it for about 2 hours and it rusted haha.
Glad your revolver is working well for you! You can always re-finish it if it gets too rusty. Take care and stay safe.
Hello Tex Mex! New sub today. Looking through the comments, we have a few common friends. I just bought the 3 inch 605 TORO on Monday, and I'm having a different issue. Mine works okay in double action, but when cocking in single action, the cylinder stop is not rising fast enough to lock the cylinder and results in a misfire (or, sometimes I think I'm shaving the side of the bullet in the forcing cone) and noticeable blowback. Your issue was a problem that Gun Sam had and it seems that both of you had no satisfaction with Taurus service. I may just try to fix mine myself...
Hey there marcthomas2482, thank you for the support! I am sorry to hear about the issue with your 605 Toro. You may want to send it off to Taurus anyway since I have fixed some issues for me in the past. As it is, it should only cost you the time of calling in and getting them to email you a fed ex shipping label. Well, that and getting it to a Fex Ex office. The turn around time was about two weeks and hopefully it will get your issue resolved. At least that is my advice as I am a novice gunsmith at best.
Keeping my fingers crossed for you that it all gets sorted out!
You should have repeated the experiment with three spent rounds and two live rounds. My thinking is the weight of three spent rounds is enough to help the cylinder spin to the fourth round. So, it may be an issue of weight causing the cylinder to not function. Otherwise, a good video. I am totally surprised.
That's a good idea Stephen. Should have thought of that. Although to support your idea I will say that when I fired it with a full cylinder, there were no issues. So at that point the spent casings should have helped balance the cylinder.
You kinda did when you shot 3 of the 5 rds. Though placing two live rds and an empty in it, closing the cylinder, and firing maybe results in a different outcome.
Sorry but this one is on him- he was hesitating mid pull - when he just pulled it , it worked
Thanks for watching ellwoodwolf. Although I'm sure I did hesitate during the trigger pull in some of the testing, I didn't hesitate every time. The problem persisted over and over. If the revolver is so delicate that it takes a certain trigger pull for it to function, then in my opinion it is not trustworthy for self defense.
What the outcome did you send it back to Taurus? Did they reconcile your problem? Please let me know thanks..
Hey there Diesel! I have not sent it in again. At this point I have decided to use it as a snake gun and keep it full with CCI shot shells.
Why can I open the cylinder on my Taurus 605 it’s brand new
Let me clarify. Are you having issues opening your cylinder on a new 605? I'm not a gunsmith and it could be a variety of issues. I would contact Taurus directly for help.
I've owned mine for 6 months and ran around 200+ thru it and have had 0 issues with the firearm.
Good to hear stoner gravy. As I said in my video, I am not knocking Taurus. I think regardless of manufacturer it is important to test your firearm before you use it for self defense. Any manufacturer can make a lemon and you need to make sure your firearm works before you trust your life to it.
It is what it is
True. It is still a functional revolver, but the cylinder issue bothers me.
Is that what you're going to say when they legislate you into disarmament? This country wasn't made out of "it is what it is" I think that's China!
Someone should show this footage to the "revolvers dont jam" crowd.
Yup! Plus, when they do jam they are harder to clear.
oh got ya
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Consider carrying empty rounds to make up for the lack of live rounds??
As long as you carry a full cylinder, it’s probably about an issue. It really is just a problem when you only have a couple of rounds, causing too much weight on one side of the cylinder.
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I have a 605 blue steel .357. The problem I have is the cylinder jamming and getting stuck and not rotating when firing rounds through it. Anybody else have this “stuck” non rotating cylinder?
Mine hasn't had that issue, but I would recommend taking a brass brush with some bore cleaner and give a good scrubbing around the outside of the forcing cone. Sometimes residue build up on the forcing cone or around it can cause it to stick.
i've seen the same problem on another youtube video. it may have been gun sam
Yes sir, I think I saw that video. If I remember correctly, his was not fixed either.
the last Taurus pistol (semi auto) i bought locked up with a round in the chamber, it's a the bottom of a local river now!!! 😡
Became a boat anchor aye? Now it can wait to be found like the one ring. 😅Sorry for the geek humor.
I want to like Taurus, but there is just hundreds of videos of poor craftsmanship and reliability- why on earth should I buy something that might fail when I need it to do the one thing it should do ! There aren’t nearly as many videos of other brands failures
Sadly there are also a lot of posts about problems on different forums as well.
I have two of them no problems what so ever
Good to hear Todd. I have other Taurus revolvers that work as well, but Taurus just can't seem to fix this one's issue.
@@texmexshoots they all make a lemon or dud as they say I've heard of bad cones on smith wesson and rugers out of time a bad one gets thru once in awhile how customer service handles it what matters
@@todddurst53 Well said.
Wow. That's unacceptable in my opinion. I want to like this gun but that's a deal breaker.
I've had other posing claims that Taurus has resolved this issue with the newer models. Mine is from 2014. However I can't confirm or deny that they have made any changes to the design.
@@texmexshoots That's really good to know. Thanks for the info! I'm going to do a little more research but if they truly fixed it then I might get one.
Just wait until the yoke screw wiggle loose and the cylinder assimbly falls out.
😬 That sounds BAD.
@@texmexshoots It was bad. I got my 605 home and went to load it and the cylender assembly hit the floor. I freaked. I looked online and that happes a lot. In a fire fight it will get you killed. I was able to find the yoke assembly, (screw, springer and pin) and take it to the range. I will wiggle loose every 40-50 shots. I am holding it in with blue loctite but I have not fired it to test the loctite.
If the yoke is loose it may cause the cylender to be misassigned. I believe this will result in the bullet getting sheared and causing scrapnel blowback.
That said you cannot get the yoke screw assembly as Taurus has not had them in some time. I called them and was told that they are on order from the factory and there is no eta
@@jamesspencer9472 Sounds like a fundamental design problem. I wonder if they changed the assembly in newer production revolvers.
every got a solution?
Sadly after sending it back a second time, the issue persisted. I did have some viewers on the subsequent video give some tips on how they were able to do some gun smithing on their own.
I would send it back and make them give you a refund. There is no excuse for their lack of quality. They are supposed to work for you to earn your business.
I appreciate the input! I agree with your sentiment. They should replace the revolver at this point.
I stoped buying tarus guns
Thanks for watching Mr. Handsome! Yeah, I can understand your decision.
I would Never trust my life with a Taurus/Rossi product, Buy American, you get what you pay for!
Thanks for watching coldmountain! I am very disappointed in this revolver.
Does taurus 85 have this problem?
Thanks for watching Xwing. I have not had the same issue with my model 85. As it is, Taurus agreed to look at my 605 again and I received it back a couple of weeks ago. Once I have an opportunity to test fire it again, I will post a new video update.
@@texmexshoots Thanks, good to know. I mostly hear good things about taurus 85.
It's just yours.
That's certainly possible Joe, but I have found at lest one other youtuber that had the same issue on a model 856. Also not fixed after sending it in for work TWICE:
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ha, hey thanks for responding. Very cool. Yea, I had one that the hammer was moving side to side. I called them up and said I dont want to be OCD, but, they said send it in. I did tell them I wanted to CCW this item. Anyway, very quickly they called me up after they received it, they said the frame is out of spec. They could refund my money or send me a brand-new replacement. I took a new one. It seems fine. BUT, Credit where credit is due, I will do your test at the range shortly. So, I do appreciate this vid. Best Wishes.
@@joesheetstheragman7737 They certainly have responsive customer service. They have always communicated well with me. It's just this one revolver that seems to be a pain. To be fair, it works if I fully load it. It's strange that just the lack of weight of even the shell casings push it out of balance. Hope your new one works great!
No mine does it too
Why would you want only 2 rounds to start out with? lol
That's a valid question. In this circumstance I only loaded two rounds when I was attempting to get some slow-motion footage in for a previous video.
Headspacing is an entirely too complex of a topic to describe in a simple comment, but to be overly reductive, it is the distance of the case head to the bolt face (the bolt face of a revolver being the recoil shield). Saying that there was a problem with headspace implies too much headspace... in other words, there is too much distance between the back of the cylinder to the back of the frame. I think what they are implying is that the hand had too much play in order to properly drive the cylinder
Thanks for the info Graham! Makes sense. Sadly the problem still persists. I suppose the easy answer is to always load a full cylinder, but in the end I have faith in this revolver.
@@texmexshoots In the end, you do have faith in it, still? Or type, and left out "don't"? Just got a Defender 3 inch so I'm hoping mine doesn't do this. I will test for it at the range. I did conduct your test with two steel snap caps with rubber backing of course, and it didn't slip like this.
I'd suggest contacting Taurus and stating "Hey, you guys did NOT fix the problem, the issue still persists. Send me another label, please." Your money you paid for it isn't broken. Politely, but assertively stand on their warranty until it comes back working.
Hmmmm... not an issue I thought could happen.
Neither did I. Just happened when I was loading two rounds at a time when filming some slo mo footage. I did send it back to Taurus again, so lets see if they are able to get it fixed.
Divorce
From the brand? Or are you relaying a message from my wife? 😄
Now that!,,,is a BIG ISSUE from a revolver!
Yup! Sent it back to Taurus again a couple of weeks ago. Lets see if they can resolve the issue.
I had no problems whatsoever
Hey Eric! Thanks for watching. I'm glad your 605 is problem free. Others have commented that this issue was resolved with newer models.
CQ problem
Thanks for watching Omar! Yeah, it's a problem.
Fail
With a capital "F"
Is your thumb on the cylinder when you pull the trigger, it sure looks like it.
Thanks for watching. I can honestly say I do not feel the cylinder touching my thumb. I'd expect to feel some sort of sensation from the cylinder dragging against it.
@@texmexshoots probably but when I shoot I seem to be so engrossed with the sight picture and squeezing the trigger properly that I couldn’t even tell you what the recoil felt like. I just purchased a used 605 that I haven’t shot yet, I’ll be trying to recreate this now.
@@fat_basturd5345 Sorry, I didn't meant to cause you anxiety about your purchase. Many people report that their 605's work perfectly. Plus, even with my issue, the this revolver functions fine if the cylinder is fully loaded.
@@texmexshootsnp they are cheap enough, alls well.