There Is A LOT Of Drama Coming Out Around Broncos Benching Russell Wilson... | Pat McAfee Reacts
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The Broncos trying to run a rollback on Russel Wilson's contract is the most Walmart thing ever.
😂😂
Roll back prices when ur on the denver walmarts 😂
@@Texansfan59I’m surprised the name hasn’t already been changed to that 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Rollback Russ😂😂
Threatening someone to sit them or else if you don’t take guarantees out of a contract is terrible business. If you don’t want him to have those guarantees you shouldn’t have signed him with them intact. After the fact is egregious. That’s a huge red flag for free agents .
The Broncos shouldn't have signed Russ ...period. Now this new management is just trying to cut their losses and move on.
@@daveclark8337 moving on is fine , but having this type of bad business practices is ridiculous.
Horrible business, good luck trynna convice people anyone to play with that mindset in that front office @@daveclark8337
Well the owners own Walmart no surprise there.they just found intimidating "employees" doesn't work everywhere
@@justadadwholikesgaming5524as the money increases for all teams we are likely to see this a normal occurrence, huge amounts of money are tied up for multiple years and different business decisions will have to be made . It also could hurt players by teams not wanting to spend more money than what they perceive as value. They won’t want to be on the hook for millions for players not on the field. I don’t think Cleveland has gotten their money’s worth from DW and certainly the Bronco s think the same
No way in hell Russ should have signed away is injury guarantees. Smart on him, screw the organization who would try to manipulate that.
I mean theyre only trying to free up cap space and this is the same guy that said he wasnt gonna play if they didnt sign him to a new contract when they traded for him
@@Chicobean727alright well let your boss tell you you gotta take a paycut to help with costs and tell me how you feel lol
@@Chicobean727getting rid of his injury guarantees don't free up cap space it just fucks Wilson if he gets hurt
@@TDD_Drums you have to look at it in the context of they are doing this with the full intention of cutting him. If he gets injured right now the injury guarantee kicks in and they won't be able to clear anything off the cap by cutting him. But since he's not injured they can cut him after the season if he won't renegotiate and can save some cap space.
@@MisledVisionid do it if I still was guaranteed my salary and I actually got good help at work…
Imagine telling your QB he’s going to be shut down after a win over the chiefs in the middle of a playoff push. If I’m a player on the broncos I’m looking at this as the head coach willingly giving up while still alive in the playoff race and I’m telling my agent to get me the hell out of my contract isn’t expiring.
As a raiders fan.. i was a bit worried about our week 17 against them. Not any more😂 its like they dont wanna win
@@cactifungidutcom
Honestly Sean Peyton lucked into having Drew Brees and three great QB coaches and two great defensive coordinators
Literally the beatnik version of Jon Gruden
Same as Mike McCarthy
Andy Reid is the coach who should get the praise but he isn't a ass hole or prick so the media won't give him his praise (I'm speaking on the shills at Fox sports and ESPN not guys like Pat McAfee who do)
Thats not what happened!
@@jasoncummings1755how would you know? Russell Wilson came out and said they tried to force him to rework his contract half way through the season.
Facts I would not want to play there
Coach Pagano is starting to be more expressive in his beliefs which I found it reallistically true on all angles. He used to be more reserved before, keep it up Coach!
@@albanjabsRyan Grigson destroyed Luck by not getting him an O-line.
Not having an O-line destroyed luck. Cmon now
@@albanjabs Profound statement. Please reference how that was accomplished, or was it because of your dislike for him?
How about we just admit the nfl is anything but professional.
So, I did some web searching.
Key differences:
Sacked: Mahomes 25, Wilson 45. HUGE
Rushing: Wilson has 3 TDs but their rushing stats are quite similar (personally, I give far less of an Eff who actually scores the TD, than I do about the yards gained, first downs, etc.).
Key point: Mahomes hasn't been good this year. You're comparing yourself to a historically great QB, but only in the current year, which has been very middling. Not a great look for a QB being paid like he's GodJesus.
If you say "russ is playing good football" you're only looking at his stat sheet and not watching the actual games. hes been terrible.
Exactly
Let's be real... Pat hasn't actually watched a Broncos game since Manning was there
“Terrible” is a hell of an exaggeration. But clearly this move was a mistake, and I have to commend the Broncos for just moving on instead of trying to salvage a trade that was clearly a mistake since Russ took his first snap in blue and orange.
You think sean peyton is letting russ call plays
yep i have not watched one single game with him and thought "good QB"
So they basically blackmailed RW into either taking less money or being benched? Denver is going to be a free agent black hole for the next few years. No way I'd even talk to them if I knew they were pulling crap like that.
How is that blackmail? It might be scummy. But blackmail? Russ deserves to be benched.
It doesn't matter if he deserves it or not. If he took less money he wouldn't have been benched. That's blackmail.@@Dreamagain11
People are throwing around words like "blackmail" and "breach of contract" having no idea what they mean.
Nothing in the contract prohibits the Broncos from benching Russ for whatever reason they want. Requesting him to renegotiate the contract to avoid the bench is just that, a request. If he says no, nothing happens, he still has his guarantees.
@Dreamagain11 Getting benched based on performance and being benched for not changing your contract are two very different things. They should have just benched him for performance and they would have avoided this entire thing.
@@christopherstone4336 According to who was he benched for not changing his contract? According to Russ? Like he doesn't have an obvious motive to say that.
Why is anyone surprised the new owners brought Walmart negotiating tactics to Denver?
Ha! Spot on.
Watch, soon they will import players from China.
If you actually knew what was going on in Denver, you would realize this was 100% the right decision
@@aaronmckinney2583 Oh really, tell me why. Tell me how that works out with some detail.
@@JK-vc7iehe's waiting to pull it out of his ass.
I guess the new Wal-Mart owners gave Sean a class on how to treat employees and he took it to heart.
Wait, what? You think the NFL is like a regular business where managers have to mollycoddle employees to get work out of them -- and not one of the most merit-based organizations in the world where the most-loved players can be cut tomorrow if they don't perform?
@@arkwill14 It is a regular business. They put a product on the field and hope to sell tickets or get television viewers. An NFL commercial is no different than a bleach commercial. Sodium Hypochlorite is Sodium Hypochlorite.
Russ got paid he's fine.
@@nba-hj3pn Your right about that If Peyton disliked me, I would volunteer for 3rd string QB. You know just to "help" the team but I'm still cashing those checks.
That’s business😂
J.Stitdum couldnt beat out Bailey Zappe for the backup QB job in NE n he's starting over Russell Wilson sunday... let that sink in 😂😂😂
Broncos signed the contract just like Russ. Bad look for the organization. If I was a player in free agency or getting drafted, I would never play for the Broncos knowing they don't honor a contract.
I work for a pretty large corporation, and we have contracts as employees at my level. Unlike the NFL, they are either renewed or not every year. Just because the terms were agreed to initially, doesn't mean they can't be changed at any point during the execution of the contract.
We just had a manager get demoted for underperforming. Not that he didn't perform well, he did, and he made a lot of money for the company, but when compared to his particular agreement he wasn't maximizing his production.
Just saying that a contract is only good and serviceable as long as both parties live up to the terms and conditions of the contract. Otherwise, people would perform long enough to get a good contract, then sit back and enjoy life- stress free.
How many NFL players actually stick with the team until the end of their contract? The team is free to cut him at any time, just like he's free to retire if he wants.
@@metv2363when a team cuts a player or coach, aren’t they still required to pay that guaranteed money, even if they are cut? It does happen, but it sounds like the Broncos are not wanting to have to pay the guaranteed money they agreed to.
@scott729 fine...if you have a performance clause in the contract...
@@scott729 I don't think comparing NFL player contracts to other employment contracts works well. But, even if we do that, the thing here is that Russ is playing well when compared to other QB's stats around the league (Russ can't be held accountable for the entire team's record - only his stats).
So, if the team is asking a player to renegotiate their contract to a lower amount, even if that player is playing well, then it will make other players not want to play for them. If the team is then benching him because he's refusing to take less money, even though he's playing well, then that will also make other players not want to play for them. If your company was doing the same thing, it would also make them less desirable to potential new hires.
Now, this is still rumor at this point... so we'll have to see if this is ever verified or not.
Denver is doing Russ a favor, he basically showed that he can climb out of a 1-5 hole with a HC he doesn't get along with, an audition that ended well on the football field, but not in the relationship area.
yes, as long as he goes to a team that can get as many turnovers that the Broncos got during that winning streak, (16 in five games), Wilson will be great.
He should go to the redskins
Denver defense is super underrated giving up 70pts will be the cause but let's not act like Russ hasn't been playing solid and being a Pro about the whole situation for 2 months l@@metv2363
All because of Sean and the defense. Don’t forget special teams and the defense put the offense in really good spots during that run. We’re talking 15+ turnovers in a few game span it was not all Russ.
@@MrVaDeluxcommanders, sure. Redskins ain’t a team anymore, son.
When he mentioned "Previous year's starters" I think he meant when the Defense gave up 70 to Miami, and they overhauled it, and started winning. They let Frank Clark go.
frank was on the chiefs last year...
I don’t blame Russ for saying no to that. Sean is a rough customer in a rough business.
Sean is an awful type of coach to have in any league. He lead a team that gave bonuses for injuring players. Has vocalized that he would do anything to win and coached in the days of all that sus hazing and all. Now he is pushing players to change contract clauses that have to do with injuries and such. Wouldn't be shocked if he made decisions to make russ more likely to be injured.
I’m definitely telling em NO!!!
@@adamadams54321why would payton try to injure Russ if they benched him so they don’t have to pay more for his injury guarantee? You are dumb.
@@adamadams54321if russ gets injured they have to pay him all his guaranteed money, that's why they benched him to avoid injury. Maybe do some research before running them dick suckers.
@@MaalysWorld125over course you would. But he doesn't deserve the contract they gave him, he hasn't lived up to his end of the deal. So Denver gave him a choice, rework your contract or we're cutting you. He chose to be cut. Can't blame Denver for that
Sean yelling at RW was surreal for me. I've never seen a star get yelled at like that.
It wasn't even his fault.
If you watch Brandan perna, he makes a great point on this and basically every person belittling Russ, team mates and coaches screaming at him when you can tell he hasn’t been bad. His lack of emotional response to anything that has happened to him has been stellar and extremely mature. Beyond football, in a world full of these athletes making scenes on the side lines, it’s refreshing to see Russ just sit back and stay being a team player and doing his best regardless of what everyone is saying.
Sean Peyton just can’t accept he’s past his prime. He’s an average coach at best but thinks he’s God’s gift to football so he has to blame someone else. He’s wanted Russ out from the beginning
Russell should have slapped his ass for doing that.
Why in thee hell is a "star" exempt from getting yelled at?
If winning is the only thing that matters, then why didn’t you challenge the tds? That cost you the game. That is on you, Sean Peyton.
Also, if winning’s all that matters, doesn’t Russ give them the best chance to win their last two games? Payton talking out both sides of his mouth. Something fishy alright. Payton thinks he’s smarter than everyone else, but we can all read him like a Dick and Jane book.
@@oz1751I agree that he does give them the best chance over the next 14 days, but letting him go gives them, in his eyes, the best chance of actual winning in the future 🤷♂️
He probably has a handshake deal from the Walton’s to turn things around in 3 years without reproach
@@oz1751How does he give the best chance to win when he’s just lost 3 of the last 4 when they could have been winning the division? Hes playing like the most average to below average QB ever
By saying "Winning is the only thing that matters", it does not necessarily mean the last 2 weeks but overall going forward. The season is done for them, so shortterm makes no sense
Challenge the TDs? There's almost never conclusive evidence and wouls have lost those. Not to mention Russell snapped the ball with 19 seconds left. That didn't give them a chance to review it.
The only reason you would ask a player to remove that guarantee. Is if you have no intention in moving on with him to begin with. So why the hell would you take off the guarantee? lol
Because if he gets hurt in the last two games and can’t pass a physical at some point after the season, then they have to pay him the guaranteed money whether he’s on another team or not. It was a clause to protect him from not getting paid if he got hurt and then cut from the team.
@@DZdoesitEZ I know that. But why would that be any concern if they weren't already planning on moving on from him. That's the point.
At first I was anti-Raiders signing him but now would love to see him light up ol egomaniac perma-pucker like a christmas tree next szn
You Raiders fans should be glad Russ is stinking it up in Denver. That's why you're in 2nd place.
Perma-pucker, lmaooooooooooooooo, you sir, are a comedic genius.
@@tanisraistlin4934how many does hurts or Allen have? Ouch
I honestly hope that the Raiders DO sign him. It would be a perfect match. Then we could watch the Raiders flounder for another 10 years. Bliss!
Sean Peyton was gonna do this no matter what no matter how good Russ played. He knew if they made playoff he would be stuck with him so Sean made sure they didn’t make playoffs
💯
The question is why though?
@@t81629draft the QB you want. And people will back you up on that decisions
@@t81629 He's an ego maniac. Peyton was a bad hire. I guess the Broncos will just draft another Brock Purdy because we all know it's so easy to draft a QB. lol
@@GizmoMalteseRuss is cooked. Sean knows he wanted stidham the whole time. Russ pads stats even on the losing games. We don’t want Mr 3rd and out
Sean Payton trying to deflect
Sean Payton getting that anger on the sideline against Russell Wilson was not natural but demonic.
You do realize Russ is not liked in Seattle as well. He is a bad teammate. Demands his own private office, does not interact with teammates other than game day and on and on. So they gave him a choice. Why is that a story? DavidC Carr didn’t have a choice.
@@otisandbruceshow1808 why you copy pasting this on all the posts defending him? Coach Payton is that you?
sounds like a reasonable assessment, thanks for not being over dramatic
Lol, no doubt @Danzig019
Coach not putting up with a primadonna? Good for coach 👏
Wasn't Sean Peyton the coach of the Saints during Bounty Gate??
Yep. Shouldn't even be allowed to coach. A massive douche.
Yes!
YEP!!! I have never understood why he only got a one year suspension.
Yes yuh panzy😂
I dont get it, they should have just benched him when he was 1-5. What happened was that Wilson got on a winning streak and they were afraid to go to the playoff because it would be harder sell to cut him. I wouldn't be surprise if they sabotage some of the games. Those playcalling were huge suspects and very vanilla. We will see this coming Sunday if they start having more complex plays w/ Stidham.
Sean Peyton is a trash coach let’s be real
Did you watch any of those games? the defense handed him great field position with all the turnovers they got. Look at the games where they had little to no turnovers, Lions, Texans, and Pats, what happened? they LOST, Russ got his ass beat and sacked so many times and was unable to go anywhere even when receivers got open. Watch the games.
Sean definitely threw the Pats game
Obviously he threw the game against Pat's. What idiot would call timeouts.
@@LogosFarm I'm starting to believe that. DraftKings needs to investigate the NFL for coaching decision. Bad Bets 😂😂😂😂
Seems like the Broncos are breaching the contract by demanding that he renegotiate. The fact that they are threatening him seems to indicate that they are in breach. They agreed to it, now the Broncos don't want to fulfill it.
I agree, they should get sued. How can you get benched because you won't renegotiate a contract they signed? It's insane.
Wilson sucks.
@@user-ll6zn3xv9v doesn't change the contract, if they signed and agreed to it they should uphold it
It's not a contract breach to ask someone to renegotiate
Wilson is not good he is past his prime and is average at best I didn’t like the trade to start with this is exactly why teams are better off drafting a guy and developing him vs trading/signing a guy In this mid 30s
Don't change the contract!
How many contracts have been canceled right underneath players who were injured. Teams just move on! 37mil is still 37mil.
I’m a lifelong broncos fan. When Pat said long term or that even if Payton did poorly next year, he’d still be there, I was shook. I forgot that you can have a coach that stays for more than 2 or 3 years. My whole life where I can remember paying attention to the broncos, I can’t really remember a head coach that’s been around for more than 3 years. Maybe Fox? Idk.
Does anyone else remember how Payton was suspended from the NFL in 2012 for putting bounties on the opposing teams players? What a great coach!
That was Greg Williams
NFL gives no fucks haha they also rehired the ref team that was "investigated" for fixing the Superbowl game and beign a bad ref in general.
This is why I can't wait to see Denver implode. That guy is a walking red flag.
@@ryandaniels1127he got suspended for a year
Was actually the defensive coordinator Greg Williams
Sean Payton 3, 7-9 seasons with Drew Brees. What a great coach
Drew was in his prime at that. Not to mention the games they lost in the playoffs to inferior teams. Some of these coaches get to live off their one ring more than others though.
Payton is overrated and is showing his true color with his Grinch looking ass
You are not wrong. But really a guy that refuses to work the middle and only can make off scheduled plays is pretty useless to a offensive coach.
Double Standard white boy Bress / now black guy wilson
@@sharpimage2265and the only Superbowl came with the asterisk of scumbag Gregg Williams paying s
Saints players to hurt people.
If Denver never planned to honor such a contract, why make the injury guarantee in the first place with Wilson? Why should Wilson be forced to acquiesce? We need more information.
Russ, great response about how "God has your back" , you'll do just fine and best wishes to you & your family on your future.
God Bless you
What we're seeing in Washington...Oakland...Carolina...Front Offices & Ownership that stink so much, Free Agents would rather retire than play there. .Time to Add Denver to the list
When they say it's not about the money it's about the money !!!!!!!!!!!
Wilson is the only character in this tragic play who has been performing with NO hidden agendas.
“Been performing” to a losing record
Yes the broncos organization is just pure garbage.
You do realize Russ is not liked in Seattle as well. He is a bad teammate. Demands his own private office, does not interact with teammates other than game day and on and on. So they gave him a choice. Why is that a story? David Carr didn’t have a choice.
Wilson's performance led them to 10 wins and 19 losses and no playoffs.
It appears obvious now that Payton intended to get rid of Wilson no matter what. Against that backdrop, is it reasonable to think that the last thing Payton wanted or needed was a winning season, or worse a trip to the playoffs? Play calling during a game matters, and it appears that Payton had a hidden agenda while calling the plays this season.
Coaches have a choice to execute a game plan that is geared towards the abilities of the players he has, or to develop players to execute the game plan he wants to instill on the players.
If you hire a coach to bring in a new scheme, than Players that can’t adjust are discarded, while players compatible with the coaches plan are added.
In this move, the Broncos organization have thrown away all the integrity that is supposed to exist in a contractual arrangement with the player(s), in order to semi-publicly state that they are buying Peyton’s scheme.
Hang on Broncos fans, the next 2 -3 years are going to be turbulent as Peyton and the GM try to shed almost all their current starters in an effort to bring in compatible players.
I’m not saying this is a bad move, but I am saying that the organization has lied to their entire team all year. Not good.
Those multiple TDs not challenged was the craziest thing I’ve ever seen. Payton didn’t challenge. I’ll never figure out why.
He’s ass this year
Because he’s trying to loose the game dude it’s not hard to figure that out.
It’s simple actually. The plays were not called TDs on the field. Neither of those 2 plays showed definitive evidence of overturn.
@@kevinlock259 except the commentators saw in video replay clearly at least one was. The challenge should have taken place at least once.
Ya Looking back at all this now seems like this was planned from the beginning. And Russ was actually the only one out there trying to win.
“I’m only interested in winning it doesn’t matter how” well now we know how bounty gate came about
He was playing good football...yet the play calling was still run on 1st and 2nd down and refusing to put the ball in his hands during close games. Something was up.
You didn’t watch the games. Stop looking at the stats. Russ handicaps the offense 100x more than his statline helps get wins.
@@BrainDead235 I agree. But he’s put in situations that don’t give him chances to succeed. Run on 1st and 2nd then throw on 3rd and 8. Or if they do throw on 1st or 2nd it’s play action which doesn’t do anything but take time away from him to release the ball. Play action doesn’t fool anyone when you can’t run the ball. His greatest success is when he rolls out or gets rid of the ball quickly. He’s also hampered by the lack of effort from his receivers when the play breaks down. Lockett and metcalf extend their routes to get open. Jeudy and Sutton don’t at all.
These last two games effectively don’t matter. So “best chance to win” is a nonsense reason to bench him now. Sean should have done that weeks ago if that was the case instead of handicapping the offense. Russ spent the better part of this season with a Coach who didn’t want him to win. Which begs the question, how many of those close games would they have won if Payton actually cared about this season?
That's a great point. Imo they should be a least a 9 or 10 win team at this point. They set Russ up for failure since the beginning of last season
They want to lose for draft picks there's so many positions that are in need of a upgrade that russ couldn't be a Super bowl contender
@@BIGMIKE54ify Denver problem was that they thought they was going to get Seattle prime Russ so they basically gave Seattle the house for Russ now after Payton gets there, he convinced the organization that they need to to get from under Russ because he's not what Payton want. He's using his dislike of Russ as leverage to basically keep his job cause now he has to prove his point that Russ is why the season is the way it's turned out
Russ going to Denver was a bad decision! That organization and Sean Payton did not handle this well at ALL! Regardless of his play good or bad you don't go from disrespecting the previous coaching staff and then shi on Russ.
That’s business. Business is cutthroat. Too much feelings going on
the broncos are paying him 100 million for not being able to see the field, stop playing him like a victim
It’s the broncos own damn fault. Idk why we signed him before seeing him play
@@imanoldurango8213 They signed RW because they missed on the Rodgers' sweepstakes, after having built the offense for a drop back QB type like AR. Instead they panicked and got a QB who is the furthest thing from a 'drop back' QB, purely for his reputation. This had no chance of working w/ Wilson, there are many cheaper alternatives at QB that would've worked better w/ that offense than Wilson
I love how Dak said my stats look great but wins are the only stat that matters
As a Denver fan, I was hoping they were benching him just to prevent him from getting injured….not booting him off the damn team. Who the hell we gonna get at QB smh…
We can get that guys from Arizona
I doubt that the Players Union is going to just take this L . Denver is going to have to pay up.
"Honestly" Payton said. I laughed and typed this...
Wow the fact that all that was going on in the background and at least far as Russ is concerned the fans had literally no idea about any of that imo that just speaks to the character of Russell Wilson
Imagine if this was a younger guy who didnt already have millions and they threaten you to waive your injury clause or you wont play... I honestly think this is a bigger deal than were making it
It’s business jabroni
The alternative is just to not play him period. Dudes already cut. He wasn't getting that clause either way. "play at your own risk or don't play because we aren't giving you 30M for nothing" is reasonable. Probably a good thing that an imaginary young guy can choose between sitting or getting more film out there for his next team, neither leaves him worse off.
People act like a guy never got benched before, as long as he can say no that's all this is.
I get it from both sides. “Hey we aren’t good enough and it’s because your contract is too big for the level of play on the field. Adapt or we are moving on.”
“Hey we have a contract and guaranteed money. Bench me but I’m not taking less.”
Totally get it from both sides tbh. Front office made a bad bet but that ain’t Russ’ fault either.
100% the Broncos are going down😂
You do realize Russ is not liked in Seattle as well. He is a bad teammate. Demands his own private office, does not interact with teammates other than game day and on and on. So they gave him a choice. Why is that a story? David Carr didn’t have a choice.
I think that SP was banking on Wilson tanking this year and having the "he is playing bad" excuse for benching and releasing.
Probably
The dude has 8 interceptions…but also has 10 fumbles.
Wilson throughout his career has always protected to the ball. Its his MO, this year his fumbles has been slightly up but he only has 5 not 10.
@@arcade-o8816 google says ten, maybe half of those were recovered but that’s ten bud.
Sean Payton wasted how many years with a HOF QB in NO?!? Fans will regret hiring him by next year if they aren't already.
It’s crazy tbh
It's simple: New owners don't like Russ' contract. They want him to change it so they have more money for free agents. Russ said no. So, they are benching him regardless how well he's playing. Also, HC and Russ don't see eye to eye.
Well said!
Well now they’ll have no money for free agents 😂
The new owners are the ones that pushed for the contract before they bought the team.
@2:32 Dude said "WR Jeudy is a good player", Bruh... are you for real 😂😂😂
Love It Pat ThePatMcafeeShow Bro Let's Gooooooooo.
If your saying Sean payron is coaching good then your blind
Yeah, Russ is playing pretty good football right now...but he isn't playing 3-player/5-draft pick(including two1st) trade with massive contract _good football_ right now. The Broncos will pay for this mistake for a long time -- but better to rip the band-aid off now instead of dragging this failed experiment out for another season or two.
A long time? It's been two years, they've already paid for it in terms of draft picks and team equity. The only thing that's owed is money and I'd assume the wealthiest owners in sports can handle that financial burden.
@@Fried_Bananas There is still a salary cap hit. The money they will still need to pay Russ is money they _can't_ pay other players to improve talent on the team either by free-agency or rewarding talent already on the team to keep it on the team.
@@Fried_Bananas And there is also the 5 draft picks the Broncos traded away for the last 2 drafts - which represents potential talent they missed out on which maybe could've helped them in the next couple seasons or so.
QBs are overpaid. All you need is a game manager for a QB. Spend money on coaching, o and d lines, and receivers. That’s it
@@fortyozsteak Perhaps that is true. But if you only need a game manager you certainly can't spend the type of money and draft picks the Broncos are spending on Wilson -- money and draft picks now not available to spend on coaching, o and d lines, and receivers.
Certainly not a good look for any potential free agents. If I'm a free agent and im hearing that kind of stuff coming out of Denver.. idk man id stay away.
Rockin the Leone track suit. Respect!
Russ’ stats are so weird this year. They both make him look better than he is but then he also hasn’t been bad this year either and has had incredible moments
Sean Paytons play calling is terrible. He was purposely doing everything he could to make russell fail. He's just a terrible coach/human who the media tries to pretend his brilliant. He has 0 redeemable qualities.
Playcalling sucks they win so fugly!
Russell Wilson tries to escape the pocket even when it is clean - he does so because he cannot see over the middle (the barren wasteland he won't throw to); I totally agree with Payton's playcalling, but he has been limited in his calls because of the confused and befuddled QB he is saddled with. Every once in a while he makes a great throw because he has a good arm but that is about it. Sadly Denver makes bad call after bad call when it comes to QB decisions so it is no matter. They never should have traded for him. Both Payton and Wilson are two of the most unappealing people in the NFL and wish they'd both be gone (take whiny Rodgers with them).
@@user-hx6li5sm8q i disagree with that, sean has a offense thats not predicated to russell’s strengths, sean didn’t trade for russ at the end of the day
@@TheRealJRealerseans offense is horrible the amount of dump offs and runs that would never work are horrible he has 0 trust in russ and doesnt even let him throw the ball 10-15 yards down the field every game ive watched it just seems like he has a leash bro it makes me so mad..
I am so confused here. Sean Payton, despite having some absolutely amazing teams won a singular Super Bowl almost 15 years ago and never been back. He hasn’t earned the cachet to operate the way he has been. I’m sure he’ll be out of a job next year.
I am not impressed by anything Sean Payton has done or said since he has been with the Broncos
Sean Payton blew the saints cap situation and took a tv job to escape his mess. Looks like he’s about to do the same thing in Denver. Lol.
they wouldn't let payton steal percs or start a bountty system, so now hes reeking havoc
Same thing happened in Seattle. They asked him to restructure his contract for years and eventually he decided to want out. Plus he ate up 20% of Seattle's cap and that's why they could never have a good oline same with denver. Russ only cares about his money and is another sports diva.
By the end of his Seattle run it looked like he ate more than just salary cap, more like celery cap from the catering area
Not disagreeing necessarily, but why would he take a team friendly deal when it was clear early on in Payton’s tenure that he, Wilson, would be out of there this year? Payton never wanted him, money was only part of the issue.
So Russ a multi millionaire is a diva for not taking a pay cut from a billion dollar owner...lmao wow thx for the laugh. You should take a pay cut from your job and stop being a diva employee.
LMAO! Not having any money for an offensive line is total bs!
Carroll has NEVER invested in a quality, and sustainable O-line ever, but has chosen to spend money elsewhere on the defense instead throughout his time in Seattle.
If he really wanted to have a good O-line, he could have gone into FA, and via draft over the years, but arrogantly chose not to.
Case in point, giving up so much for a complete bust in Jamal Adams, and passing over Creed Humphrey, and many others for bad first overall draft choices.
@daweeza42 most of his former teammates have literally said he was a diva. I could name you 20+ players who have said that. Plus he lied about the golden tate situation and KJ Wright has talked about him lying about that situation. No former seahawks have anything good to day about him.
''Broncos Nation let's ride'' 😂😂
Scapegoat for a team that started 1-5. Russell Wilson(a superbowl winning champion) has and still plays at a high level. 26 touchdowns only 8 int's 3000 yards passing and climbing. Only about 2 other players have been sacked more than Russell Wilson. Far more problems than a quarterback problem. The sad thing is the Broncos have not been eliminated from the playoffs. Wherever Russ ends up I wish him well.
The bottom line is Sean does not run the ball and in order for him to be a successful coach he needs a QB that can drop dimes. Trust me I'm a SAINTS fan for 53 years.
The Broncos are 14th in rushing and 26th in passing. They’re a running based team.
At the end of games, when they apeed the game up, he looks great.
For some reason, coaches love to have super complicated cide words to say " run straight" or "5 yards and out" totally unnecessary but they are geniuses in their own mind.
It's not unnecessary . It's how you keep the opposite team from knowing what you're doing.
@@user-ud1bs7xn1t For checking calls at the line of scrimmage, of course. But as someone who played Pop Warner to JC, the best offenses I ever played in had simplified calls in the huddle.
@@Fried_Bananas you do know there are people from each team, that are doing everything they can to steal signs or calls right? Imagine your offensive play playcall being "run straight up the middle" as you said. There's a whole team of people with listening devices and binoculars doing everything they can to know what play you're running. If your JC was calling plays like that....
@user-ud1bs7xn1t that's fine, but it doesn't take that much verbiage to thrown them off. Especially with time you have on the head set. And all coaches don't do it.
@@user-ud1bs7xn1t "Whole team of people with listening devices" lol bro that's cheating at every level. You don't steal signs in a huddle so I'm confused as to what you're referring to. I've already said I agree with disguising check calls at the line but beyond that, I don't know what other signs you're talking about. As far as simplifying calls in the huddle, it's not just "run up the middle." It's just a more generalized and consistent cadence, such as receivers just listening for their route number rather than a nickname for that same route. Hate to break it to you but nobody can hear you in the huddle unless you're calling plays a foot from the line of scrimmage.
I'll be honest, I don't think you've ever played a meaningful down in your life.
Now we know why Payten felt comfortable yelling at Russ on the sideline.
Flat out said the OL and WR’s days are numbered
Let us not forget Sean Peyton is the same coach that instructed his players to hurt the opposing players when he was at the Saints. His decisions should have been questionable ever since then.
I totally forgot about that
Broncos should get a HEFTY fine for sitting an otherwise perfectly healthy player that’s actually playing good purely for contractual reasons that they literally agreed to
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Nope they shouldnt.
@@Freddy-wi5io Why?
Lmao worst idea I’ve EVER heard in sports.
What stops every bench player from suing the league and saying their coach is holding them back, and they deserve more money and playtime.
How do you balance this? You don’t lmao
I will bet players will be lining up to play in Denver...trying to get a player to remove guarantees from an already signed deal? You can trust that owner and leadership group have the union's attention.
By far the best sports show available, Pat and gang.
Denver ownership needs to blame themselves for this entire debacle they find themselves in from the day they gave Wilson that contract, and then compounded the issue by hiring a coach whose system Wilson won't fit into and a coach who never wanted Wilson.
I'm a lifelong Seahawks fan and I loved Wilson while he was there until the end. He bought into the Pete Carroll organizational philosophy not just on the field but the rah-rah stuff off the field too and it fit spectacularly there. Everyone had to buy in to it or they'd be shipped off and we could see which players hated that system once Wilson left the Seahawks because they were all the players that popped off at Wilson in the media. But make no mistake - that system worked whether those other players liked it or not.
But then Wilson got the huge contract plus started seeing Ciara leading to their marriage and it was obvious things changed with him. And then he got fat in 2016. You could see that the lifestyle got to his head and his head wasn't into the game like it was earlier in his career and this obviously lead to his departure. That said...his year by year statistics have actually steadily improved from the Seahawk Super Bowl years of 2013 and 2014 to the year before his last in Seattle, and even 2021 wasn't far off from the preceding years.
I think the divorce from Seattle was probably a wake up call because Wilson has got his weight into check and he doesn't seem to be in the media nearly as much as he was in the early Ciara years. And last year's Broncos team had horrifying coaching. Everybody has complained that Wilson had a terrible year but I honestly believe that the coach utilized Wilson horrifically...I didn't recognize the offense he was running one iota and knew immediately watching his first two games that Wilson was never going to succeed in that system. The coordinators leashed Wilson and you can see that in his stats with his average yards per completion far lower than normal even though the rest of his statistics were par for the course (except for touchdowns thrown which isn't always necessarily the QB's fault). And then again this year you can see Payton's offensive scheme simply didn't fit Wilson and again his average yards per completion was way down even though the rest of his stats including TD's to interceptions were similar to years past.
This season Russells stats were going to surpass his stats in his two Super Bowl years. Anyone with a brain knew exactly what the Broncos were going to get when they signed him and he has actually performed as per what reasonable expectations should have been. Bronco's management has failed to give him an offensive scheme that would allow Wilson to succeed and they gave up on him after only one year once they signed Sean Payton in this mismatch that was surely to lead to a divorce.
Couldn't have said it better myself
It sucks man he was Mahomes before mahomes watching him make crazy downfield throws on the run to what’s happened the last few years is sad to see
I always thought he was a robot when he kept saying the words "why not us" over and over for a year straight in Seattle.
Do you think he’s coming back?
Umm. Contract was signed before Walmart bought the team. Maybe you should write a book about it
Russ this season is similar to Wentz's last season in Indy. The stats may not look bad:
Russ: 26 TDs and 8 INTs, QBR of 50.6
Wentz: 27 TDs and 7 INTs, QBR of 54.7
But actually watching the games it's definitely not good football.
let me introduce you to the other wilson...zach. remember things aren't that bad
I think his stats are better then Mahomes if I'm not mistaken this season
and that colts team looked terrible the next season without Wentz
@@stillgotpimpjuiceyeah but the Broncos defense is responsible for that winning streak, 16 turnovers in 5 games. They carried Rus in those 5 wins just like the defense carried Manning to his second superbowl, only difference is that manning had a noodle arm and a neck being held together with staples and tape.
There is no reality where 26TDs and 8 INTs is bad. Where do you imagine you'll get a QB who will do better? You guys need a reality check. You were winning and then your moronic head coach decided to blow things up.
Where’s all the “but you signed the contract” people? Whenever a player wants more, people drag them. The Broncos are saying, “We changed our mind about all kinds of stuff in your contract, including money.”
Who is going to want to sign with Denver now? Players and agents aren’t stupid.
That's the Walmart way of doing business.
Nepotism at its finest with Schultz
Sean Payton is a bum, scandals, pill addiction , never mentioned , a player makes one mistake and it’s always brought up .
He gave Taysom Hill $40m then retired lmao
He rode Jimmy Johnson's and then Drew Brees' coattails ..... Cocky little twerp that the media inexplicably calls a genius.
The Broncos signed a contract, they should be held liable for the entire flipping thing.
A contract’s a contract. Honor the damn contract.
Russ berated twice this year by Payton, Twice last year by players, booed dozens of times, and finally benched. He used to be treated like a king in Seattle. Watch what you wish for!
Denver is trash, next Free Russ
Peyton has been making a huge mistake with his offense. Look at the run game he’s designing. It’s completely anemic. Wilson is the only guy who did his job the last 2 games.
This is the beginning of the end for Payton. Just like with Tomlin and Bill B who thought they could recreate their success after their HOF QB left, Payton is going to find just how hard it is to find a QB who can win consistently in this league.
The windows of opportunity is short and fleeting for athletes. To get a large contract you have to outplay the rookie deal You go through hoops during the negotiations and the first time your salary hinders the organization they ask you to renegotiate!😮
You are aware of the astronomical amount Russell Wilson is being paid right? How can you feel sorry for him?
When you overpay for shiny objects....
Broncos fans dont think russel is playing good football lol
Russell Wilson throws a check down, runs or courtland bails him out. He is not playing well, he can’t see the field at all.
Tf u talking bout he don't call the playssean do sean payton calls the check dwn plays
@@tyronewilliams9018 you clearly don’t watch the games. Every play there will be 2 or 3 receivers wide open in the middle of the field, but then Russell ignores those open routes to throw a check down or try to scramble. This offense is getting people open, Russell just has terrible field vision
As a seasoned independent contractor I can tell you straight up I’d be calling my agent and my lawyer. Nothing personal but I’d want every dime they owed me.
Imagine being on a team that doesnt want you to win. They literally have coached to lose and Russell was going against the grain😮
toxic denver broncos organization
Always found it funny how the nfl holds some of the most known cheating, lack of moral having and just dirty coaches in such high regard and still to this day would rather employ them before a younger guy trying to have a nfl coaching career. Gruden will get a head coaching job before lets say the guy leading the raiders right now.
Like Anthony fauci at NIH, you simply can not leave until you have a hand picked successor to maintain the illusion and cover up all the dead bodies
The nfl cares about wins and losses. Coaches, gm’s, and players. Don’t care what or who you are if you contribute to wins or losses.
There’s a saying “if Hannibal lector ran a 4.2 40 they’d call it an eating disorder”
As a raiders fan, I doubt it. AP > Gruden
@@rhh3828 Nonsense, Gruden is a better coach and has the career to prove it.
@@markislivingdeliberatelyEric B. would disagree with you.
So would Brandon Staley.
He never yelled at Brees on the sidelines, take that for data... But now Frankie Muniz's Dad (S.Payton) yells at Russ every week??? The writing was on the wall...
Why would russel EVER accept that offer? Yeah russel needed to be released, let go, traded, it don’t matter. But giving him an ultimatum is NOT the way to handle it
To Connor's point, Tone made the correct point, and, the stat box doesn't match the eye test. He's missing too many wide open plays. He's missing way too much and is below the bar on what Denver's paying him to do, so Payton's over it at this point. And yes, he probably never wanted Russ and can't hide it anymore.
Yeah he’s playing okay compared to all 32 other qbs. But his paycheck takes away talent and he’s not SO GOOD he’s worth taking away talent. If he was being paid 15-20m he’d be the starter for sure.
Russ was there with the fat contract, before Sean Payton joined the franchise. If Payton wanted to coach a QB who was 6-3 and stayed in the pocket, he should have joined another team.
@@luddite4change449 You turn down 90 million 😂 he got the bag he wanted, he knew he could probably push him out and now he is
@@Th4t_guy_ That kind of thinking makes neither of them worth the money Denver paid.
@@markislivingdeliberately all QBs are overpaid. A top tier offensive line, top receivers, and a mid QB is the recipe for success.
As a broncos fan , the games are hard to watch. It’s clear what Russ can and can’t do. It does not fit what the coach wants to run. He handicaps the offense. He is paranoid. Doesn’t let plays develop. He is hitting check downs cause he left the pocket for a loss of yards before receivers come out of their breaks. Feel for the dude. Great guy but doesn’t fit the scheme. It is what it is
this attempt by denver is called the pete carroll run the ball! contract.
The Broncos can do whatever they want. This is a business. Period.
I miss the days when football teams could make decisions without social media being up their asses about every decision social media is the worst thing that has ever happened to humanity
A team benching their highly paid quarterback to save money would always be a story. It would have been in all of the newspapers back in the day.
@@perceivedvelocity9914 you clearly didn't understand what I said and that's fine
I couldn't agree more.
I feel so bad for Russell, as much as he dug his own hole it still hurts because russ was crazy in Seattle
Ya poor Russ is going to be in the soup line🙄he’s going to make millions and not even be on the team.
@@Wild_Child410 fair enough lmao
why would anyone feel bad for Russell? Dude makes about 4 million dollars every time he throws a TD pass. Gross.
Walmart - LOL. Don’t budge, Russell - make them pay.
if the play call is like basic than you know the coach/play call and qb relationship is broken/divorce and russ is not going run sean offense and do what the coach want him to do.
Stats exaggerate his performance. All he can do is check down or hail Mary. He has missed wide-open receivers all year & bumbles plays constantly. He cant stay in the pocket or deliver when it matters.
Denver would be ok with his performance if he was a rookie or young, but Russ is a 35yo 12 yr vet they're paying $250m. They HAVE to get rid of him. A 12 year vet getting $250m should be able to deliver the consistent performance necessary to get into the playoffs every season.
Also, Denver has had a revolving door of either busted veterans or 7th round back up QBs since Peyton Manning retired. Its high time they invested some of that sweet Walmart cash into an actual young prospect who could be developed into the right QB.
I know their strategy is "we don't have the time to develop, we need results NOW", but how has that worked out for you? They have missed the playoffs every single year since they won the super bowl in 2015.
It's not like they've had bad players either. Last year their Defense was almost #1 in the league but Russ couldn't score 10 points. I think 9 years with no playoffs is the longest in Denver history. If MF Tim Tebow can get the Broncos to the playoffs, Walmart & Russ have no excuse.
The 2024 draft has like 4 or 5 decent QBs in it. I know Denver obliterated all their picks but they should really trade like madmen to get one of them. Bo Nix or Jayden Daniels for ex. Jarret Stidham & his billionaire wife were never the answer. Add him to the list of bums Denver execs have laughably thought were the answer: Lynch, Keenum, Osweiler, Siemian, Bridgewater, Locke, etc.
he isnt getting paid 250m lol