Dream Team Are Splitting!? MY GOODBYE EPIC: The Musical | Vocal Coach Reaction (& Analysis)
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- Vocal Coach Reaction & Analysis to My Goodbye from EPIC: The Musical
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Odysseus said “You can’t fire me because I QUIT.”
Athena went "You can't quit, I QUIT."
You can't quit you're a god!
Athena: "Two can play this game."
So fun fact, in "Warrior of the Mind" the harmony between Athena and Oddy builds up. At first Athena holds the note and Oddy has the little melody which she joins him on for the last time. However in "My Goodbye" Athena starts with the same little melody and it ends with a single belted note.
You know I just realised this at the end and was like wow.
Unfun fact: Athena only ever had one true friend, named Pallas, daughter of Triton, who helped train Athena in the arts of war. During a sparring match, Zeus saw that Athena was losing the fight, and not wanting his daughter to lose, secretly flashed his shields, directing the sun into Pallas' eyes. Distracted, Pallas put down their guard, and Athena accidentally impaled her friend upon her spear.
She was blamed for Pallas' death, and forbidden to go to her funeral. Athena had been born as an adult, but had the mind of a child, and while she had gained much knowledge at this point, she had little emotional intelligence. So, she shut down. She ran out of tears to cry, and eventually, locked her guilt away behind a stoic mask.
Athena did, however, take on her friends name as an epithet, and was thusly known by many in Athens as 'Pallas Athena'.
So, she is basically numb to Odysseus' tears, having forgotten what if felt like to be in greif.
Oh that hurts :(
I havent read The Odyssey, so idk where the adaptation & original diverge, but it seems that Athena is learning to open up again in the recent saga. This little backstory makes it so much more meaningful.
Athena is mad for two reasons, Ody didn't kill the cyclops (making sure no threat remained), and also the name thing. Because... you can ask gods to help you when you've been wronged in Greek myths. So... when Ody gives his name... it's like he's doxxed himself and is ASKING for a god to take him down a peg.
So Athena was like, "No listen to me! Don't do it! Gods you did it! You silly man!"
Funfact, you'll still hear her music motifs throughout the other songs which is a hint that even though she's not talking to him she's still watching him. :3
Also, at this point Poseidon is fully mad with Ody and Athena wouldn’t dare cross her uncle.
@@SantosoWijayanope. Poseidon was only able to go after Odysseus because Athena no longer favors him. It's not a matter of superiority as aside from Zeus (and maybe Hera) the other gods are fairly equal hierarchically. It's a matter of who's got dibs on who. This is why in Orion's myth, Apollo can't go after Orion and had to trick his sister to kill him as he was under her protection. Or why Hera can't go after Zeus' many affairs directly and had to resort to tricks and subterfuge (such as the case with Semele) in order to kill or punish them despite Zeus also being terrified of Hera.
@@geosustento8894 There are some sort of obvious hierarchy, though. In the original material, Poseidon had to ask for Zeus’ explicit permission before unleashing his wrath on Odysseus. Also, later when Odysseus asked why Athena abandoned him, she said that she was afraid to cross her fearsome uncle.
@SantosoWijaya like I said, Zeus has the authority over the others. That's why Poseidon would have asked him regarding unleashing a storm. As for the latter, I don't ever remember that happening. IIRC, Athena abandoned Odysseus in the myths because he did something that insulted her. I don't remember there ever being a confrontation and her addressing Poseidon as her "fearsome uncle" especially when they have a very famous sort of rivalry that even Odysseus was a pawn for.
Yes, but please don’t spoil it for her! She’s good at catching this details
"she is Athena" NO YOU ARE!!!!!!
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If I'm remembering correctly, Jorge has been friends with the singer of Athena since college so that may be why he seems to have such good singing chemistry with her
Odysseus! This is not the time to start being sassy to your DIVINE SUGAR MOMMA! What are you doing my dude?!
Came looking for this! 😂
Came here to say this!
Describing Athena as a "Divine Sugar Momma" is... something, that's for sure...
Not entirely inaccurate though
She insulted him for being merciful, despite the fact that it was seemingly the only option because she wasn't providing any way that polyphemus's corpse could have been moved if they would have killed him, Odysseus gives sentimental reasons why he did it but there's actually a very good common Sense tactical reason that he did what he did, i would be hurt too if my own mentor decided she wanted to cut ties with me after what is seemingly the first mistake, i Athena is being so dumb that she almost has to be acting(make a quick note here that this is really just my speculation, we don't really know what the heck is going on with Athena in the musical yet)
But she probably should be mad that he chose to dox himself, but she clearly shows that she's upset he didn't kill polyphemus either, even though, like I said killing him honestly would have been dumber, because he's a giant CYCLOPS
Fun fact: When she first sang warrior of the mind, she held the note of mind. Then when Odysseus joins her he sings it and does a bit of a run with it. Then the next time she sings it she also does the run, showing she is opening him into her life. Now with my goodbye she does a bit of a run with her last couple of "goodbye!"'s and then finalized it with holding the note to show she has cut him out, she is done. The songwriting is so goooooood
“You reveal your name! Then you let him live!”
Love this song, and love your reactions 💕 Truly so excited to see you keep going through this journey, thanks for trusting us 😊
I am excited too!!!😁
Hey Mortius, have you seen the new Gigi animatic of There Are Other Ways? Its astonishingly well done!
@@ElBarbas-hv2qw he commented on it
@@ElBarbas-hv2qwhe has a reaction on his patreon
@@ElBarbas-hv2qwit's on his patreon
Athena always valued logic. He let his emotions dictate his actions. "Open Arms" was the start of him going soft. Which led to his friends and soldiers dying.
YES
@@TangQin-ey3ru Odysseus may have given a emotional bit of reasoning as to why he didn't kill polyphemus, Athena should have seen that there was a perfectly sensible reason why he wouldn't have done it, the first lines of survive he talks about how the Cyclops is blocking the door so if they would have killed him they would have , been trapped in there, honestly the goddess of wisdom shouldn't harp on him for not illing the Cyclops (it itwas kind of dumb that he gave out his personal information, but Jorge does frame it in such a way that you might be able to blame Athena, because she was in his head needling him to kill polyphemus and so he just lashed out at the Cyclops and gave out all that really important information)
I think Odysseus had been unstable since he had to _kill a baby_
Polites' entire song is about how he can see the stress/guilt is _destroying_ his friend
Like, the crew sings "Everything's changed since Polites" and while I _do_ think Polites' death caused Odysseus' already fragile emotional/mental health to spiral further, that wasn't the beginning of the change
Everythings changed since the sacking of Troy.
This man was captain in a _ten year war_ yet in "Full Speed Ahead" he refuses to raid an island & starts talking about "we should try & find a way no one ends up dead"
@@audreyii6750 I mean Odysseus has a decent bit of logic to why he doesn't want to raid the city, when you've been in war for 10 years you definitely don't want to engage in any more violence, and at every turn he really was trying to find a way not to commit violence, because again this man's been in a 10-year war and I think he's pretty well had his fill
Considering later context... Athena really is a wholesome little bean...
When she sings "That's not a teaching of mine" - Athena is reminding Odysseus that the “Open Arms” ideology is not something that she taught him and that what got his friends killed, when he starts to following his feelings instead of his mind.
I love how you’re split between vibing with the music and being astounded by the lyrics. Neither of them are pulling their punches XD
'She's such a b... powerful being.' I SEE YOU XD
Amazing video
Love how all these reactors start the Troy saga with a lot of musical analysis, but then in the Cyclops saga, the reactions become very story based
Athena says, "You've grown soft", but I really don't think that's the case with Odysseus. Odysseus is... hurting. Active, bleeding type of hurt. But Athena has no understanding of that. Of course he rejected her advice; last time he listened to a god, he was forced to kill an infant. The man has had enough, and who can blame him?
THIS! EXACTLY THIS!
I dislike it when people characterize Odysseus as this whiny boy who was given power by Athena and then threw a tantrum when things went wrong. His best friend just died in front of him and his mentor is acting callous to this! Of course he'll be running high on emotions and will be making bad decisions! It's repeatedly said that he's Just A Man! That's the whole point!!!
Sorry for the rant, I really dislike those people
@@awildnoviceappears Athena DOES have a point though, and spoilers,
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this decision bites him in the ass later
@@awildnoviceappearssame!! Also, one of the things that I feel like ppl don’t understand abt Athena is that she isn’t entirely wise about everything. She’s only wise when it comes to war, AKA strategy and politics. Her callous nature is because her domain is basically a giant chess game. On the other hand, Ares would’ve been more sympathetic because he’s the soldier’s perspective of a war. He is the camaraderie between men, the one who understands the vigor and determination each soldier has in wanting to get home alive.
I feel like ppl water down Athena and Ares a lot these days, which totally sucks.
@@emerson4140 yes! Thank you!
To add to your point about Ares, during his verse in God Games, he's not exactly angered by Odysseus not killing Scylla but more that he did a "cowardly" action that led to the loss of the lives of soldiers. Just a little something extra I noticed in prep for the next saga (with the pattern of how they're releasing, I expect it around November honestly)
@@awildnoviceappears exactly that!! I also feel like Ares is genuinely angry abt how Odysseus betrayed his men by sacrificing them. Not only was it cowardly, but it broke the bond that all of them had made over the course of an entire decade. That shit is cruel from an outsider’s perspective
When Athena was talking about his dead friends he looked ready to fight her
Just a Lore thing i just noticed. Gods can cononicly sumon backing vocals but untill the vary end of my goodbye when Oddy said she was alone, she only ever dueted with Oddy giving him the impresion that he was the only one she backed. But she shows Oddy that his is just a man like all the others when she brings in the backing vocals.
I mean... she's gonna duet with telemuchus later to, so not just ody...
@ControversialOpinionGuy I mean that this is the "first" time she uses her powers to summon backing vocals. It's something up to this point that powerful beings do frequently and freely.
Recently Crashite released a very good animatic for the song "Luck runs out" from "The ocean saga", Mortius hasn't seen it, so your playlist probably has another version. But i really recommend to watch the animatic from Crashite, it's so much better!
Second this, Crashite's animatic for Luck Runs Out is super good.
I feel like even if you like it better it's kinda 'eh :/' to read one animatic is better than another/others, just as a thought /lh
@Atlaska it's good because it really shows what Jorge intended to do with this song. And Odysseus's intentions in the end of the song are also right.
@@LilyBirds Oh, I'm not debating it's good! 🙌 But I don't think it's necessary or good to compare which one is better, is all I'm saying.
@Atlaska I mean, people are allowed to have preferences. It's fine if someone thinks X is better than Y, it doesn't mean someone thinks X sucks. I think Gigi's animatic for Monster is the best one but that doesn't mean I think the others out there are shit.
Honestly it's more rude to tell someone their opinion is rude or not valid when it comes to things like this.
Oddy say all of this, but there's only one thing that he forgot, she's a literally a GODDESS, he say all of that like she was one of his soldiers, oddy has some balls.
It’s a miracle that Athena didn’t kill him on the spot
9:49 look at choir, see anything familiar? It's not cannon or anything but it was a good way for Wolfy to emphasize that twist of the knife.
exactly ... just to the right of her ... Polites... and he's holding the infant
Fun fact: "You're not looking for a mentor, I'm not looking for a friend, I mistook you for a general, what a waste of effort spent" is a reprisial from Warrior of the Mind.
"If you're looking for a mentor I'll make sure your time's well spent" from Athena, and "bestest of friends" from Odysseus.
Also, some recommendations for the next Saga:
Storm: Jen
Luck Runs Out: Crashite
Keep Your Friends Close: Gigi
Ruthlessness: Anniflamma, though Gigi has one that continues from Keep Your Friends Close
EPIC is such a journey of musical candy! ❤🤗
Right😁
I just missed the premier but! CYCLOPS SAGA. I hope you can catch up before the newest saga in like 4~ Days
I know! I need to hurry up hahah!
@@JenniferGlatzhofer “ROW FOR YOUR LIFE!” -
Honestly wishing you the best, hurry but savor the amazing talent and voices! Each saga has a different enjoyment.
I do like the “dance-like” motif of time signatures and animatics;
I'm so excited for what is to come. Also, you will eventually understand where Athena was coming from
4:51 " she wants a leader who's going to lead"
ah yes, the floor here is made of floor
watching ur reactions is like waiting for a new episode of a show thats airing 😭
You get me 😭
Massive props to the animator as well he captured Athena’s essence of being something not human close but the way she turns her head very avian since she’s linked to owls having eyes without pupils and her towering stature I didn’t notice first seeing it but someone pointed it out
Definitely recommend looking through Jorge's shorts! He gives lots of the music stuff we all love like the call backs, ensemble lore, instrument choices etc and it's just aaaaaaaa. So good :D
I think athena left, not due to the fact he felt emotional loosing his friends but because he allowed his emotions to control his actions- not taking her very rational advice. By him essentially taunting the cyclops who was already blind- thinking hes so high and mighty that he can literally leak his name and home. That sort of recklessness isnt something you want in a general. If you were in a war and your general went to the enemy you just defeated "HA, MY NAME IS ××××××× ×××× AND I LIVE AT ×××××××" while being aware that gods can take advantage of that, id be like 'that could be bad'. If he had just silently left, she probably wouldve stayed (been annoyed, sure but i dont think enough to leave). In those few sentences, Athena realised that Oddysseus was willing to risk everything just to get the final word in. Yeah, she was quite flat and didnt sugarcoat it but like...this is a war and she is the GODDESS of WAR and WISEDOM- not emotion. Of course shes gonna be upset he did something so stupid!
Great reaction! Im so happy that more and more people are getting into the epic community ❤
CORRECT! From what I can tell.
I love watching reaction videos to Epic because it feels like hearing for the first time again. I cannot wait for you to hear the rest of the sagas!!!
Everyone in the fandom is like “haha, dont bring up Just A Man challenge failed” when it comes to the musical, but I love how often it’s said. The audience needs the reminder that despite his pride as a leader of men he is also just a human doing the best with what he’s got. It’s easy to forget with so many mythical and monstrous creatures in the story ;-;
I absolutely love your reactions and analysis of the songs. I feel like im getting an enriching experience learning things ive never woulda learned prior
Thank you!
I know you're more focused on the music than paying specific attention to the animatics. But I'd recommend looking at the background of the shot when Athena's chorus joins her in singing "Just a man."
It's a joy to see your genuine enthusiasm for the vocal performances and for all the callback and motif nerdery that's all over this musical. It inspires me to relisten to the songs with a fresh ear, I'm excited for you to hear more
The song is great, as is the reaction to it. We look forward to the continuation.😁😁😁
POLITES WAS HOLDING THE BABY!!!!😭
This song and one in the Underworld saga are definitely in my top 5. Is just so amazing, story and music wise.
Knowing about the theming around background vocals I just realized she was treating him as an equal up into the point she said you are just a man with the spirit backgrounf
This song is the musical version of an epic rap battle of mythology
OMG Thunder saga is epic i am so excited for you to react to it and if you want to the (Jorge versions) of Troy and cyclops saga realsed so yeah..cause the company who there were working with were b- and yeah thats it ahh thunder saga is ahh amazing
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Jennifer! Watching one more because it's pounding rain with thunder and lightning outside so no sleeping with that going on. Might as well watch another Jen video until this nonsense is over with ... unless the power goes out, it's that bad! 😯 Ok for you ... ❤... as requested. 😊 So Goodbye ... sounds more like a nasty breakup between Athena and Odysseus! Did you ever turn Sarah on to this Epic? You did say she loves Greek mythology. Great reaction and analysis Jen. Off to bed ... the weather has settled down a bit. 😊
"Ba- Wa- Li- what line?" PFFF 💀
Athena was in the right, Odysseus lets control by the anger and the compassion. Letting the ciclops live and saying him his name a thing that will return as a tragedy to Odysseus
Jen you better sing at 10:45 ✨✨✨
This is actually my first Epic song that made me get into it🤭 (its a pity that is her last song for a good 4 sagas)
I love Athena's voice ahh
@@PrevGamingFacility Her voice is gorgeous. I came in WAY late into the series. I had never heard of it until The Underworld Saga.
4 actually
That’s awesome this was my first song of Epic as well think I may have worn out the replay button lol
You should cover this song with mortius, that would beee sooo awesome
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Thank you for being the personification of my own nerdiness when I first heard this song via Mortius! (Speaking of, there's a cheeky animatic from it that just cracks me up every time, in case you haven't seen it already). My musical theater brain was just picking up all your points and going YAAAAAS QUEEN (err goddess)!! Excited for you to embrace the tidal wave ahead as the musical "Odyssey" continues!
Girl it's 5am I just binge watched your entire Epic list and I can't wait for u to continue. I'm one of them mental epic fans, I'm obsessed with it since I found it little after the oncean saga released, so when I saw vocal coach reacts to eppic I instantly clicked on it. I looove your videos so far, made me an instant fan of yours. Your analysis and your reactions... I mean... golden!!!!!
Oh thanks so much!
Yayy
Greek heroes tended to be seen as greatest when they were absolutely ruthless and cruel to their foes. If you think about it your emotions are both a strength and weakness in war/life or death moments... so Athena teaches turning off your heart so that they can't be a weakness... because 'strength' was more important. A perfect Warrior is one with no weaknesses. Yeah the name thing was a mistake... don't give them a target if you leave them alive. That "You're alone!" clearly hit Athena, but she's *very* good at turning off her heart. I love that look back from Athena and how it is very owl like. Hmmm... I don't think I'll have any fun facts until after Circe... might remember something during one of the others though.
I love your reactions so much, I can't wait for the next saga
Watching your reactions and analysis makes this even better!
NICE WARRIOR OF THE MIND CATCH!
2:28 it's Hades' :P
I'm excited
❤❤❤ lovely ending to the Saga! Thank you for your reaction and analysis!!!
I personally think the Mircsy version of this animatic is the better depiction of the fight / break up between the two of them.
MY GOODBYYYAAAAAYYYYYEEE!
So small problem Jorje’s releasing new and improved versions of both the Troy Saga and the Cyclops Saga because companies aren’t paying him his money for both those sagas… so… yeah…
Maybe after you finish watching the entire series you can go watch the newer ones? Idk do what you want I’m just the informant
you and casper both have beef with athena now lmao
Badass señorita
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Hi Jennifer hope you are having an great and awesome day ❤
Odyssey is letting his emotions overrule his logic while in hostile lands, and putting him whole army at risk of death directly as a result of those actions. Sharing emotions is a private thing when you're safe at home. He should not be lashing out at his best chance at returning.
Your immediate response of wanting him to be emotional is weird. Why do you want him to do so?
showing your emotions is how most people process them, unless you have gone through war, or something equally traumatic, most people don't process emotions in silence or have an easy time letting logic take precedence when their entire world gets flipped upside down. so yes, as leader that is what he should have done, but under extreme circumstances even the most logical can become emotional. and putting your emotions aside is not normal by todays standards, so why would that be anyone's default setting if they have not been through one of the aforementioned trauma's?
They just came from a war and this definitely isn't the time to process. The instability from sound so clearly compromised his ability to think clearly which is the problem
in the original text she never leaves and is always watching over him (actually don't know in this), Athena is a merternal role in to Odysseus amd is the one time she was allowed to be as such in myth
GOODBYE (C)2006
Just letting you know the newest Saga in Epic is gonna release in 3 days. So if you find it hard to find animatics when you reach the latest Saga it's okay I'd just use a lyric video if you can't find an animatic that does the whole song. Animation takes time. XD
Its not really focused on, but Odysseus _is_ prideful
We see it in his cockiness when dealing with the cyclops (up until Polyphemus decides to kill everyone)
When he demands Polyphemus remember him
And now, when he "talks back" to Athena (yes, he is grieving & its understanable he'd blow up a bit but) he calls a _GODDESS_ vain, counters that, no, actually, this is HIS goodbye & points out she's alone
Unfortunately Jorge's music is so epicly composed, we feel as if Odysseus is doing the right thing
(His "i am the infamous, Odysseus" moment 100% _sounds_ like a hero/victory moment, but it is NOT)
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When he was following Athena's teaching, being a rational and logical man during times of war None of his 600 soldiers died.
She initially warned him when he showed he was leaning to Polites idealogy and then what happened happened. Of course Athena would be mad and dissappointed she warbed him for a second time and he made it worse.
So her cutting off Ody since he would be against poseidon is wise decision on her part.
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Me: ...
Hey >:^(
You should react to “Bless the Broken Road” by Rascal Flatts
I'm a little sad she didn't see polites holding the baby in the background
Minerva and Ulysses.❤
I'm not sure if it is on my end but the playlist is in the wrong order so the first video is the latest so if you are watching this through that you have to remember to go a video back each time so you don't go backwards.
Click the reverse button at the top of the playlist...
Despite these issues they have here.. Even after Odysseus passes away, Athena takes the effort to actually befriend his Son.. She know later she was partly wrong..
I know you're mostly doing a vocal analysis, and itll be a while until you get to it, but I *highly* recommend reacting to Rochi's animatic for "Monster" in the Underworld arc, their visual metaphors and storytelling are AMAZING and perfectly complement the music
My guy she just finished the Cyclops Saga 😭 😭
@@fiony1 I literally started the comment with an acknowledgement of how long it'll be
Glad you didn't see Polites on the side of the men at Just a Man. You'd have cried again
React to slaughter to prevail viking to hear some interesting vocals
Who won? Who's next? You decide!
Teehee... gotta love it...
Hi! Can you do a reaction video of "Saving All My Love for You" by Michael Pangilinan and Sassa Dagdag? Their cover is chef's kiss! I hope you'll give it a try. Thank you!
please reaction dimas senopati , alone by hearth, thank you
Hope you didn't like Athena either...
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