Yeah the fan base just kinda decided that polites has a headband, which was never previously confirmed by Jay, but now it's technically cannon cause it's been in some of the official animatics
@@ShyyGaladriel I don't think thats where the headband first appeared, but Wolfy Odysseus take polites headband from his dead body and future animators just rolled with that and pretty much every animatic you see Odysseus wearing his headband
I love how Odysseus keeps saying "we're almost there--just this one thing in front of us" when we know from the length of the musical that he's going to be wrong each time.
Ele sempre está errado nessa questão tanto que a tripulação já aceitou que eles não voltariam pra casa o próprio Odisseus já perdeu a conta de quantos anos passaram no mar que no total passam de 20 anos mais pra ele continua sendo "12 anos ou um pouco mais"
Not necessarily. It's perfectly reasonable to think he could make it home but shit still happens. Those of us who've read the OG Odyssey, tho? Yeah, no, we know we still got a few more treks through hell to go. 😂
I've thought about this song a lot. I wonder how much of Odysseus' views of the gods was influenced by his relationship with Athena. Most mortals had no direct interaction with the gods. There was a reason they'd sacrifice to the gods. Then there's Odysseus, who had Athena as a mentor for much of his life. She never did him any harm & he saw her as a friend. She helped him so much. I just can't help but wonder how much of those interactions colored Odysseus' views. The gods were powerful beings & they were owed a lot of respect, yes, but they were never directly malicious or antagonistic in his life.
Add on how Zeus warned him about what Astynax would become if he were allowed to grow up. Of course, he asked Odysseus to do something horrible to prevent it, but he offered a warning. Overall, the gods have looked out for Odysseus and helped him look out for those dear to him, so of course he'd ask another god for help. He has yet to see the most glaring example of a god wanting something bad to happen to him.
Let's also not forget Hermes is Ody's Great Grandfather... well, that's the most widely accepted heritage anyway. Homer only brought up his mom and dad.
Well, I'd argue that all the divine meddling in the Trojan War would count as being antagonistic to him, but afaik he never faces any direct opposition from the gods during the war, unlike Paris, Achilles, Hector, and more, so your point still stands, but he definitely saw comrades killed by Zeus' storms or Ares fighting in the crowd or Apollo guiding archers.
@@BlankNametagGaming you heard wrong Eury married Odys sister, Penelope isn't related to Eury as far as I remember. BUT this is ancient Greece so every family tree is more like a rose bush
@@saluichi4140 Fair assumption but typically they're not related Eurylochus is sometimes also from Ithaca or another island near called Same, meanwhile Penelope is from Sparta and is cousin of Helen and Clytemnestra (sorry if this sounds mean im just informing) also Ody sister and wife of Eurylochus is called Ctimene btw
@BlankNametagGaming no Penelope is a daughter of one of the Kings of Sparta (unrelated to Tyndareus, Helen etc) Odysseus asked for a good word from Tyndareus so he could marry Penelope, in return Odysseus came up with a plan on how Helen's marriage could be protected. His solution was that all the suitors had to go kill whomever didn't respect the marriage. This led to the Trojan war because even though it had been a decade or so all suitors where still on the hook to defend Helen's marriage when Paris took her.
Something I quite liked about how Odysseus handled this was he wasn't saying I don't want to hear your opinions and council he was saying if you want to talk about something then bring it back to me and then we'll talk about it instead of bringing it up in front of the entire crew and causing discourse Because disagreeing is fine when planning in a private button high tense situation like this the majority need a clear voice giving directions, and having discourse out in the open in front of everybody who's looking for guidance shakes their confidence in their leadership whereas if he had brought that to him they could have talked about that had a clear direction given to the crew
Something that is really cool to look into is that most of the characters have an instrument that is associated with them. For example, if I am remembering correctly, Odysseus is paired with a guitar and Eurylochus' "instrument" is actually the crew singing.
eurylochus is really the parent of that one kid that goes up to everyone they meet to start a conversation and climbing on every possible climable surface
I can imagine him being that kind of older brother when he and Ody were younger, where no one could tell they weren't related because he acted like Ody's parent
I love this animatic. Odysseus trying to bring his men back to optimism (like a good leader should) but Eurylocus being a "negative nancy" the whole time is portrayed so well in the music and the animation. Then Ody has to take him aside (good leadership move again) and get more firm, both in orders and in the sharpness of his voice. What a great way to tell the story through music!
You've already noticed how some characters have an instrument that symbolises them, like the different kinds of guitar for Odysseus and the piano for Athena, but what's very interesting is that Eurylochus's "instrument" is the chorus of the soldiers! So from a storytelling perspective, he kind of symbolises the entirety of Odysseus's crew, he's their spokesperson.
I don't know if you know but background vocals actually follow some rules, if a mortal (normal people like ody and Eury) background vocals MUST exist, so usually it's soldiers, while anything higher that mortal (doesn't have to be god,but most commonly gods) can kind of summon their own background vocals It's confirmed by Jorge
i think one of the cool things about how they do Eurylucus is that since he is basically the voice of the crew, he dose not have a "normal" instrument like all the other characters. instead the crew's vocals are his instrument. (with one exception that i wont spoil, but later on listen for a point when his instrument changes.)
Going along with my coward comment: Eurylochus also constantly questions Ody in the Odyssey. Which isn't a bad thing in a second in command (especially when you make a risky choice) but a *good* second does exactly what Ody brings up here: takes the captain aside and brings up his opinion in private... especially when your Captain (and *King*) hasn't really made any mistakes that you can know yet. At the end of the day Poly did real damage but Ody saw most of them through that struggle and that was really the only 'mistake' Ody had made... but as far as anyone knows RIGHT now, he "fixed" it. Discord invites chaos and death, invite it only when necessary. Fun fact: Eurylochus's "instrument" is the rest of the crew. Fun Fact 2: You never get over Polites.
I'm so glad to hear someone understand that Odysseus needs to enforce that chain of command on the first listen. Nothing against Mortius or Caspar as all emotions and reactions are valid, but hearing someone not get mad at Odysseus for shutting Eurylochus down here is great
Yeahh, I do understand it. Eurylochus was voicing doubts in front of the crew and sowing uncertainty. But I always take Eurylochus as the voice of the crew, also. They're all shaken from the cyclops encounter, and worry that their previously great leader might not be able to handle these new unknowns as well as they thought. I think Eurylochus, as the second in command, is bringing to Odysseus the conflicted, worried feelings of the crew, which a good captain should take into account. There's already some uncertainty, even distrust, mixed in there, which does lead into the next song's happenings, in my opinion 🤷
@@elieli2893 i get it, but starting that argument in front of the crew did nothing but make it worse. like another commenter said, that is the kinda thing leaders do in private so they can talk out their options and decide what to do next together without worrying the crew. Also odysseus is their King, so publicly being like "that sounds dumb what are you thinking" when he decides on a plan , especially after 10 years of constant war where he led them to victory without a single loss is seriously not ok. that is 'make an example' levels of not ok to do to your king. Eury could have just pulled him aside and been like, "you sure about that, what if something goes wrong?" and Odysseus probably wouldn't have had a problem with it.
@@skyrimsnipr3605 Eh, I cut Eurylochus slack here because he DID go have that talk in private. He could've escalated the situation and forced the crew to be a part of it, but instead he recognized that his emotional reaction wasn't placed right and went to talk to Odysseus in private.
@@aadityayanamandra8846 the whole fist 90% of the song is him openly argueing with odysseus in front of the crew dude. thats why they are singing backup vocals for him.
@@skyrimsnipr3605 Yeah, and he immediately talks in private when asked. Odysseus just makes that request 80% through the song. I don't see the issue here?
There are also difference between Epic the musical and the Odyssey. For one, Polites doesn't die until way later. Jorge killed Polites in the Cyclops saga for dramatic effect. So there are some spoilers for the musical that aren't even in the book
@@idkanymore2.014 Also, in the Odysseys Polites is nothing like he's in Epic. And that goes for practically every character, as some share, at most, a name, with their Homeric counterparts.
something crashite included was odysseus using polites' headband as a ribbon in his hair, most noticeable when eurylochus says "and what will we do when it tears us apart?" and it makes my chest ache so bad
While guitar is Odysseus's' instrument and the piano is Athena's, Eurylochus's instrument is the voices of the crew. That is why the crew chimes in during Eury's parts. Full Speed Ahead as well. The Nylon Guitar followed Ody's parts and the crew followed Eury's parts. Just to clear that up 👍
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Idk if anyone said this already but Jorge showed that when he says “where is this coming from my friend?” The chords are the same as Polites’ chords in Open Arms 😭
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in all fairness to odysseus here, he is absolutely right about eurylochus planting seeds of doubt. he's undermining him in front of the entire crew, and planting seeds of doubt in their minds. it can (and does) lead to mutiny, and is incredibly disrespectful. however odysseus should have actually listened to him more closely.
PLEEEEASE if you like this, you need to listen to some Hadestown. Wait for me is the most popular, but songs like Chant, or epic III, are something you should definately listen to. Or like any song sung by eurydice
Odysseus is actually being _very_ manipulative here He has his plan & is unwilling to compromise/divert from it, he's unwilling to listen He goes for connection/warmth "where is this coming from, my friend" But when Eurylochus doesnt immediately soften/relent, he becomes indignant "And suddenly you doubt that i could figure this out?" When he addresses the crew, he's turning on the charm to placate their doubts AND reasserting his success rate at the same time, but he is _NOT_ listening to their concerns. He does not take them in mind at all THEN he pulls Eurylochus aside & tells him to shut up & get in line (again, does not _actually_ hear him out or consider anything he brings up) Man of many faces INDEED Like, is it any wonder Eurylochus' concerns/doubts only grow thanks to Odysseus' dismissive/defensive behavior?
He doesn't change his plan because his plan is right. If his crew hadn't betrayed him in the next song, they would have gotten home just fine. Just because someone disagrees with your plan, doesn't mean it's wrong, and Odyseeus is both the leader and the only one with actual experience with a god.
Also Eurylochus isn't making much of an argument. They're trapped by a storm, and if they do nothing it will eventually ruin their boat. Meeting the wind god is the natural act to do, and Odyseeus as their king and leader is the only one who can truly do it. He also heard out and responded to Eurylochus throughout the song, there was nothing more to discuss in private. He is the leader, he doesn't have to deviate from what he believes is (and we see truly is) a good decision just because his second command disagrees. SPOILERS: If you carry that logic, then Odyseeus shouldn't have tried to stop Eurylochus and the crew from eating the Sun God's cow because they disagreed with him. He shouldn't have to go against his own judgements because his crew is a little anxious.
@@jacobgalloway1392 ok, but they did. Would you rather the crew starve? When resources are low, you need to find more. Him telling the captain is nothing but helpful.
Vague spoilers: He's absolutely not the villain, but his one great sin (being vague for spoiler reasons, we all know what he did) single handedly doomed the entire crew (and Odyseeus's mother).
I actually like Eurylockus in a sad kind of way. He's too much of a caution and violence first -kind of dude, he wants the most straightforward approach to everything, but the thing is, he's always the voice of the crew and puts their well-being first. He's also trying to keep Odysseus from pulling his crazy stunts and to be cautious. In this song, I find his point of view absolutely valid. Odysseus wants to run to the nearest god for help when the gods don't give a crap about humans' well-being and are able to destroy whole armies with a breath if they so wish. Yes, Odysseus' crew is a bunch of idiots and Eurylockus is not excluded from that, but Odysseus is also a very flawed human being who needs someone to at least try and speak common sense to him sometimes. Eurylockus' approach is consistently overly negative, but I mean, with a captain like Odysseus, I would also try to push the brakes a little. Also, the way Odysseus shuts him down at the end of the song is harsh and annoying to me, yes, this is not only a captain, it's a king, and you're not supposed to question his authority - but the man is his second in command, he's *supposed* to bring the crew's grievances for the captain to hear - and the captain is supposed to *listen* and modify his approach so that there won't be discord which will encourage mutiny.
@@elieli2893 I agree with pretty much everything you said here, but I'd like to say one thing. While Odysseus was harsh at the end of the song, it was also the proper thing to do. As the second in command Eurylochus should have pulled him aside to have the conversation privately. By basically going "Hey, you're gonna get us all killed. Right guys, don't you think he's going to get us all killed?" he sowed distrust among the crew and doubt in their leader, which encourages a mutiny. Odysseus did the correct thing of acknowledging his concerns in public, then dressing him down in private. He had every right to go "Don't do that again. If you have a problem come to me privately instead of airing out your grievances in front of the whole crew."
So many animators have included the headband he picked up in Wolfy’s Remember Them. What a great nod to that wonderful animatic.
Yeah the fan base just kinda decided that polites has a headband, which was never previously confirmed by Jay, but now it's technically cannon cause it's been in some of the official animatics
is that where it first appeared? I love that for us.
@@ShyyGaladriel I don't think thats where the headband first appeared, but Wolfy Odysseus take polites headband from his dead body and future animators just rolled with that and pretty much every animatic you see Odysseus wearing his headband
@@jonathangaming7510 actually fun fact: in some ancient greek pottery depicting the odyssey, Polites has a headband-like wrap
@@sunnysunsins interesting, curious why he was in some of the pottery since he was a very unimportant character in the original odyssey
He's not only the leader, he is the freaking king of them all, they cannot follow a king that they don't trust
I love how Odysseus keeps saying "we're almost there--just this one thing in front of us" when we know from the length of the musical that he's going to be wrong each time.
Ele sempre está errado nessa questão tanto que a tripulação já aceitou que eles não voltariam pra casa o próprio Odisseus já perdeu a conta de quantos anos passaram no mar que no total passam de 20 anos mais pra ele continua sendo "12 anos ou um pouco mais"
@@manuelpedro8974no when he says that it’s before the second 10 year time skip he is wrong with 12 years but in the other direction
Odysseus: Just this one last thing and then we’re home.
Universe: time to make the situation so much worse
Not necessarily. It's perfectly reasonable to think he could make it home but shit still happens. Those of us who've read the OG Odyssey, tho? Yeah, no, we know we still got a few more treks through hell to go. 😂
I've thought about this song a lot. I wonder how much of Odysseus' views of the gods was influenced by his relationship with Athena. Most mortals had no direct interaction with the gods. There was a reason they'd sacrifice to the gods. Then there's Odysseus, who had Athena as a mentor for much of his life. She never did him any harm & he saw her as a friend. She helped him so much. I just can't help but wonder how much of those interactions colored Odysseus' views. The gods were powerful beings & they were owed a lot of respect, yes, but they were never directly malicious or antagonistic in his life.
Add on how Zeus warned him about what Astynax would become if he were allowed to grow up. Of course, he asked Odysseus to do something horrible to prevent it, but he offered a warning. Overall, the gods have looked out for Odysseus and helped him look out for those dear to him, so of course he'd ask another god for help. He has yet to see the most glaring example of a god wanting something bad to happen to him.
Like Athena says "This way you'll know what your place is, this way you won't cross the line"
Let's also not forget Hermes is Ody's Great Grandfather... well, that's the most widely accepted heritage anyway. Homer only brought up his mom and dad.
Well, I'd argue that all the divine meddling in the Trojan War would count as being antagonistic to him, but afaik he never faces any direct opposition from the gods during the war, unlike Paris, Achilles, Hector, and more, so your point still stands, but he definitely saw comrades killed by Zeus' storms or Ares fighting in the crowd or Apollo guiding archers.
Fun fact that Epic doesn't go into, Eurylucus married Odysseus' sister so he's his brother-in-law
Wait I thought it was Odysseus who married Eurylucus' sister? Or did I hear it wrong the first time I heard that fact?
@@BlankNametagGaming you heard wrong Eury married Odys sister, Penelope isn't related to Eury as far as I remember. BUT this is ancient Greece so every family tree is more like a rose bush
@@saluichi4140 Fair assumption but typically they're not related Eurylochus is sometimes also from Ithaca or another island near called Same, meanwhile Penelope is from Sparta and is cousin of Helen and Clytemnestra (sorry if this sounds mean im just informing) also Ody sister and wife of Eurylochus is called Ctimene btw
@BlankNametagGaming no Penelope is a daughter of one of the Kings of Sparta (unrelated to Tyndareus, Helen etc)
Odysseus asked for a good word from Tyndareus so he could marry Penelope, in return Odysseus came up with a plan on how Helen's marriage could be protected. His solution was that all the suitors had to go kill whomever didn't respect the marriage. This led to the Trojan war because even though it had been a decade or so all suitors where still on the hook to defend Helen's marriage when Paris took her.
Crashite's LRO is top tier
Facts
I don't think I've seen a bad LRO animatic.
Something I quite liked about how Odysseus handled this was he wasn't saying I don't want to hear your opinions and council he was saying if you want to talk about something then bring it back to me and then we'll talk about it instead of bringing it up in front of the entire crew and causing discourse
Because disagreeing is fine when planning in a private button high tense situation like this the majority need a clear voice giving directions, and having discourse out in the open in front of everybody who's looking for guidance shakes their confidence in their leadership whereas if he had brought that to him they could have talked about that had a clear direction given to the crew
7:55 “that’s what polites taught him! the growth :)” 💀 😭
Something that is really cool to look into is that most of the characters have an instrument that is associated with them. For example, if I am remembering correctly, Odysseus is paired with a guitar and Eurylochus' "instrument" is actually the crew singing.
You're right, it's so cool
Ody is literally the king of Ithaca, and his second in command is making his crew doubt him.
The worst part is that polites death was all Jorge, originally he survived quite a bit longer.
eurylochus is really the parent of that one kid that goes up to everyone they meet to start a conversation and climbing on every possible climable surface
I can imagine him being that kind of older brother when he and Ody were younger, where no one could tell they weren't related because he acted like Ody's parent
We all changed since polites😭 we miss him!!!
I love this animatic. Odysseus trying to bring his men back to optimism (like a good leader should) but Eurylocus being a "negative nancy" the whole time is portrayed so well in the music and the animation. Then Ody has to take him aside (good leadership move again) and get more firm, both in orders and in the sharpness of his voice. What a great way to tell the story through music!
Going back and hearing how hopeful he is, how he tries keep Polites’ kindness in the situations they get into, is so surreal
You have some of my favourite Epic reactions, your analysis is so good!!
Thanks so much!
You've already noticed how some characters have an instrument that symbolises them, like the different kinds of guitar for Odysseus and the piano for Athena, but what's very interesting is that Eurylochus's "instrument" is the chorus of the soldiers! So from a storytelling perspective, he kind of symbolises the entirety of Odysseus's crew, he's their spokesperson.
HE SAID THANK YOU JUST LIKE POLITES SAID THANK YOU TO THE LOTUS EATERS I CANT HE SAID IT THE SAME WAY 😭😭😭
Odysseu is not only the leader. He is the reigning king. 😊
I don't know if you know but background vocals actually follow some rules, if a mortal (normal people like ody and Eury) background vocals MUST exist, so usually it's soldiers, while anything higher that mortal (doesn't have to be god,but most commonly gods) can kind of summon their own background vocals
It's confirmed by Jorge
i think one of the cool things about how they do Eurylucus is that since he is basically the voice of the crew, he dose not have a "normal" instrument like all the other characters. instead the crew's vocals are his instrument. (with one exception that i wont spoil, but later on listen for a point when his instrument changes.)
Just remember that crews often had mutinies if they deem the captain is unfit to lead so Odysseus needs to ensure the crew trust him
This is one of my favorites from Epic because of the way the how chorus goes. It tickles something in my brain.
Oh it’s crashite’s animatic how cool!
Going along with my coward comment: Eurylochus also constantly questions Ody in the Odyssey. Which isn't a bad thing in a second in command (especially when you make a risky choice) but a *good* second does exactly what Ody brings up here: takes the captain aside and brings up his opinion in private... especially when your Captain (and *King*) hasn't really made any mistakes that you can know yet. At the end of the day Poly did real damage but Ody saw most of them through that struggle and that was really the only 'mistake' Ody had made... but as far as anyone knows RIGHT now, he "fixed" it. Discord invites chaos and death, invite it only when necessary.
Fun fact: Eurylochus's "instrument" is the rest of the crew.
Fun Fact 2: You never get over Polites.
Still wondering why there's this bromance tension between odysseus and eurylacus in all the animatics that exist XD
You just made me remember of a short with Eury going "I have something to confess" like it was a love confession 😂
I'm so glad to hear someone understand that Odysseus needs to enforce that chain of command on the first listen. Nothing against Mortius or Caspar as all emotions and reactions are valid, but hearing someone not get mad at Odysseus for shutting Eurylochus down here is great
Yeahh, I do understand it. Eurylochus was voicing doubts in front of the crew and sowing uncertainty. But I always take Eurylochus as the voice of the crew, also. They're all shaken from the cyclops encounter, and worry that their previously great leader might not be able to handle these new unknowns as well as they thought. I think Eurylochus, as the second in command, is bringing to Odysseus the conflicted, worried feelings of the crew, which a good captain should take into account. There's already some uncertainty, even distrust, mixed in there, which does lead into the next song's happenings, in my opinion 🤷
@@elieli2893 i get it, but starting that argument in front of the crew did nothing but make it worse. like another commenter said, that is the kinda thing leaders do in private so they can talk out their options and decide what to do next together without worrying the crew. Also odysseus is their King, so publicly being like "that sounds dumb what are you thinking" when he decides on a plan , especially after 10 years of constant war where he led them to victory without a single loss is seriously not ok. that is 'make an example' levels of not ok to do to your king. Eury could have just pulled him aside and been like, "you sure about that, what if something goes wrong?" and Odysseus probably wouldn't have had a problem with it.
@@skyrimsnipr3605 Eh, I cut Eurylochus slack here because he DID go have that talk in private. He could've escalated the situation and forced the crew to be a part of it, but instead he recognized that his emotional reaction wasn't placed right and went to talk to Odysseus in private.
@@aadityayanamandra8846 the whole fist 90% of the song is him openly argueing with odysseus in front of the crew dude. thats why they are singing backup vocals for him.
@@skyrimsnipr3605 Yeah, and he immediately talks in private when asked. Odysseus just makes that request 80% through the song. I don't see the issue here?
I get it, but it always slightly amuses me when people ask for no spoilers on a story that was written 8th century BC.
People not getting that age of story doesn't matter because people can't just read all stories that happened in human history 🗿
There are also difference between Epic the musical and the Odyssey. For one, Polites doesn't die until way later. Jorge killed Polites in the Cyclops saga for dramatic effect. So there are some spoilers for the musical that aren't even in the book
@@idkanymore2.014 Also, in the Odysseys Polites is nothing like he's in Epic. And that goes for practically every character, as some share, at most, a name, with their Homeric counterparts.
something crashite included was odysseus using polites' headband as a ribbon in his hair, most noticeable when eurylochus says "and what will we do when it tears us apart?" and it makes my chest ache so bad
Fun fact: All of the important characters have a signature instrument except for Eurylochus whose “instrument” is the voices of rest of the crew.
While guitar is Odysseus's' instrument and the piano is Athena's, Eurylochus's instrument is the voices of the crew. That is why the crew chimes in during Eury's parts. Full Speed Ahead as well. The Nylon Guitar followed Ody's parts and the crew followed Eury's parts. Just to clear that up 👍
Keep your friends close has a lot of animatics and versions from different artist im looking forward to who you pick
And now we are onto.... THE QUEEN
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Id love to see a Epic the Musical marathon
Luck never runs out with these reactions 😁 Always the best reactions!
Oh the parallels in this song and a future song. Can’t wait for the analysis comparing these.
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Loving your insights on the songs of Epic and your reactions to it.
You bring an understanding of singing that I'm appreciating immensely, since I tend to gloss over the details being someone outside of the art looking in.
Thank you.
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Idk if anyone said this already but Jorge showed that when he says “where is this coming from my friend?” The chords are the same as Polites’ chords in Open Arms 😭
I hadn't seen the animatic yet, and my god, I should have stayed with that.
I totally am not waiting for every one of these you put out and seeing you catch up to the Thunder Saga 😎😎
I agree with those who think Eurylochous was out of line here. Speak your doubts in private, not in front of the crew
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9:50 I don’t if you’ve touched on it before, but Eurlycus or however you spell it haha, thing is being the voice of the crew
His motif
@@ControversialOpinionGuy right that
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5 more days until the next one? damn 😔
It’s a very good content creator move to separate videos that they know we’re going to get high viewership because it tells the algorithm that multiple people keep coming back to their channel. Maybe a little dishonest, but I can appreciate the hustle.
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in all fairness to odysseus here, he is absolutely right about eurylochus planting seeds of doubt. he's undermining him in front of the entire crew, and planting seeds of doubt in their minds. it can (and does) lead to mutiny, and is incredibly disrespectful. however odysseus should have actually listened to him more closely.
PLEEEEASE if you like this, you need to listen to some Hadestown. Wait for me is the most popular, but songs like Chant, or epic III, are something you should definately listen to. Or like any song sung by eurydice
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2:32 is this the danger motif?
Odysseus is actually being _very_ manipulative here
He has his plan & is unwilling to compromise/divert from it, he's unwilling to listen
He goes for connection/warmth "where is this coming from, my friend"
But when Eurylochus doesnt immediately soften/relent, he becomes indignant "And suddenly you doubt that i could figure this out?"
When he addresses the crew, he's turning on the charm to placate their doubts AND reasserting his success rate at the same time, but he is _NOT_ listening to their concerns. He does not take them in mind at all
THEN he pulls Eurylochus aside & tells him to shut up & get in line (again, does not _actually_ hear him out or consider anything he brings up)
Man of many faces INDEED
Like, is it any wonder Eurylochus' concerns/doubts only grow thanks to Odysseus' dismissive/defensive behavior?
Yes!!! You've put into words my thoughts on this song too, especially with the ending
He doesn't change his plan because his plan is right. If his crew hadn't betrayed him in the next song, they would have gotten home just fine.
Just because someone disagrees with your plan, doesn't mean it's wrong, and Odyseeus is both the leader and the only one with actual experience with a god.
Also Eurylochus isn't making much of an argument. They're trapped by a storm, and if they do nothing it will eventually ruin their boat. Meeting the wind god is the natural act to do, and Odyseeus as their king and leader is the only one who can truly do it.
He also heard out and responded to Eurylochus throughout the song, there was nothing more to discuss in private.
He is the leader, he doesn't have to deviate from what he believes is (and we see truly is) a good decision just because his second command disagrees.
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If you carry that logic, then Odyseeus shouldn't have tried to stop Eurylochus and the crew from eating the Sun God's cow because they disagreed with him. He shouldn't have to go against his own judgements because his crew is a little anxious.
Hot take. Eurylucus is the true Villain at almost every leg of the crews journey.
I can see that. It was he who said they needed food for the fleet before the cyclops island.
@@jacobgalloway1392 ok, but they did. Would you rather the crew starve? When resources are low, you need to find more. Him telling the captain is nothing but helpful.
@@jacobgalloway1392I don't think that's what makes him the villian
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He's absolutely not the villain, but his one great sin (being vague for spoiler reasons, we all know what he did) single handedly doomed the entire crew (and Odyseeus's mother).
This song gives me nightmares iykyk 😭
And secoudly i HATE Eurylockus alot
I actually like Eurylockus in a sad kind of way. He's too much of a caution and violence first -kind of dude, he wants the most straightforward approach to everything, but the thing is, he's always the voice of the crew and puts their well-being first. He's also trying to keep Odysseus from pulling his crazy stunts and to be cautious. In this song, I find his point of view absolutely valid. Odysseus wants to run to the nearest god for help when the gods don't give a crap about humans' well-being and are able to destroy whole armies with a breath if they so wish. Yes, Odysseus' crew is a bunch of idiots and Eurylockus is not excluded from that, but Odysseus is also a very flawed human being who needs someone to at least try and speak common sense to him sometimes. Eurylockus' approach is consistently overly negative, but I mean, with a captain like Odysseus, I would also try to push the brakes a little.
Also, the way Odysseus shuts him down at the end of the song is harsh and annoying to me, yes, this is not only a captain, it's a king, and you're not supposed to question his authority - but the man is his second in command, he's *supposed* to bring the crew's grievances for the captain to hear - and the captain is supposed to *listen* and modify his approach so that there won't be discord which will encourage mutiny.
It’s if all I love this song and whenever it gets reprised it makes me sad 😢
@@elieli2893 I agree with pretty much everything you said here, but I'd like to say one thing. While Odysseus was harsh at the end of the song, it was also the proper thing to do. As the second in command Eurylochus should have pulled him aside to have the conversation privately. By basically going "Hey, you're gonna get us all killed. Right guys, don't you think he's going to get us all killed?" he sowed distrust among the crew and doubt in their leader, which encourages a mutiny. Odysseus did the correct thing of acknowledging his concerns in public, then dressing him down in private. He had every right to go "Don't do that again. If you have a problem come to me privately instead of airing out your grievances in front of the whole crew."
@@jlablue3401 That's true, I do agree with that, but I got more "shut up and follow me" than "tell me in private" from the end of their convo 😅
@@elieli2893 Fair enough lol! It definitely comes across that way!
Eurilycus is a hypocrite! A HYPOCRITE mark my words because it will make you cry when you come to that part😢