averaging a damn near 40-point triple double in a playoff series and still losing is crazy, just goes to show how ass lebron's supporting cast was relative to your usual championship team
I think 2015 LeBron pretty much is underrated as well... That was a team where he lost Kyrie and Kevin Love in the playoffs and yet still got them to the Finals
You did an outstanding job at talking about 2009 Lebron, which, even though it's usually ranked as one of his best, I think is very underrated on an all-time scale. He was at his overall peak in 2013 and got the chip, he was offensively speaking, unstoppable in 2018. But in 2009 Lebron was an athletic freak, one that could not be stopped. I’d like to add a few more points about his run to further nail down how good he was. - Out of all the mentioned players to lead their team in every major category, Lebron’s team won 66 games. Compare this to KG’s Wolves in second who won fifteen less at 51 games. No other player's team cracked 50 wins. - In terms of playoff PER, Lebron posted a straight up goofy 37.39. That is second all-time to only Hakeem Olajuwon in 1988, who lost in the first round. - This season ranks 8th all-time in terms of WS. Keep in mind, WS is a cumulative stats. He only played 14 games in the 2009 postseason. The next lowest for a player ahead of him was Jokic’s 2023 title run where he played 20 games. - Lebron’s WS/48 sat at .399. Outside of George Mikan in 1954 (WS and WS/48 were higher pre-merger) and the previously mentioned 1988 postseason by Olajuwon, no other player comes within .06 of him. - His BPM is also the highest of all time at a ridiculous 17.53, 2.9 ahead of Jordan’s remarkable 1991 title run. - His VORP sits at 2.86, 8th all-time. VORP, like WS, is a cumulative stat. The next closest in games played is Jordan’s 1991 with 17 games, .03 ahead of Lebron - As briefly touched on, Lebron averaged 38.5 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 8 APG, 1.2 SPG, and 1.2 BPG on 48.7% from the field. That season, Orlando was the #1 defense in the league, anchored by DPOY Dwight Howard. If you don’t understand how insane that is, read it again. - This series is widely known for Orlando catching fire. In terms of shooting splits the Cavs were -1.6% from the field, -7% from 3, and -1% from the line relative to their regular season averages. The Magic were +2.5% from the field, +2.7% from 3, and +2.2% from the line relative to their regular season averages. This doesn't even put into context that Rashard Lewis and Mickael Pietrus were shooting 48.4% and 47.2% from deep on over 5 attempts a night. - He was 2nd in total scoring, 25th in total rebounding, 8th in total assists, 7th in total steals, and 25th in total blocks. This was the only time in Lebron’s career he finished top 25 in the league in all major statistical categories. Additionally, Lebron had the highest TS% of any SF in the league at 59.1% and was 3rd in FG% among SFs. In terms of MVP seasons, I genuinely think it topples every single other one (yes, that includes 2016 Steph) EXCEPT 1988 Jordan which is just on another level, even compared to this version of Lebron. I don’t think you HAVE to say that it was his best season, especially when he won the chip in 2013, but I think you have to at least ACKNOWLEDGE that it is in that conversation, especially with his level of help.
@@reillyhopf6508 What? Wade was not better then kobe that year what are you talking about 😂. Wade besides maybe when kobe got older was never better then kobe because of the fact Wade can’t shoot. And just cause something doesn’t help your argument doesn’t mean just excuse it. Factually the west was harder then the east in 09 substantially harder you can’t just ignore that because you love lebron. The east compared to the west was pathetic in 09 the west’s 8 seeded 48 win jazz would be the 3rd best team in the east had you place them there, the 5th seed out east only won 43 games💀 and the west had six 50 win teams 5 of which won 54 games… that’s how bad the difference in conferences was which matters
BPM and VORP have lost their value in retrospect when NBA asked Bball reference to adjust it's formula to benefit Jordan's numbers as the gap between Jordan's and Lebron's numbers were too big...beside that, yes, one could argue that 2009 was his best season statistically. Great video, I secretly hoped that his 16-17 season will be talked about.
2013 is a better argument, as he was clearly the best player in the world that year. The same can't be said for 09 Bron, as while it was a debate, most people considered Kobe better; especially, considering the 09 Finals.
All seasons were good! I think his most slept on season is 2005, 2006 , so his 2nd and 3rd year. 2008 , 2011 , 2014 , 2015, 2017 , 2019 . Most SLEPT on , LEAST talked about seasons! So if I were to choose just one , I’m taking 2014 , the biggest he ever got WEIGHT - WISE lol
You should've shown his postseason advanced stats, he had .399 ws/48, nobody has ever come close to that, he had a 17.5 bpm. He led the playoffs in total VORP and win shares despite only playing 14 games and there was a prime Kobe Bryant playing through 23 playoff games, playing 9 more games and LeBron beat him in the total advanced stats, that is simply insane. Forgot to mention he also had 37.4 PER, just crazy
@@sammcdermott78 because advanced stats don’t accurately depict what they say they do. Or certain aspects of the game effect the makeup of the stat differently then others. Like rebounding steals etc. But basketball is a system sport meaning different guys are asked to do different things for the team but stats don’t account that or anything really. So their misleading. Not in Lebrons case but in general they factually are and most ppl don’t even know the makeup of these stats. Just the meaning their given at face value
The reason no one brings up 09 is because LeBron at the time was mostly considered to be only the 2nd best player in the NBA that year (especially when post-season success was taken into account). 2013 Bron is a better argument because Bron was clearly the best player in the NBA that year.
2018 solos no dif he took a g league injury team to the finals lebron was old in 2018 still stupid athletic he has what 3 game winners at the buzzer 2 in the playoffs he played all the nba games i thing right and his dunks where unbelievable and dominated game 1 and almost by himself beat an all star team by himself in taking 2018 easyyyyy against any lebron
Lebron is actually better than Jordan, give LeBron a core for a decade plus (consistent 2nd option making all nba and all defensive and an all time coach) i think it’d be like LeBron facing 2020 Miami Heat every time he went to the finals LeBron would be 10-0
Doesn’t matter 35 on those splits is ridiculous KD was humiliating him out there. Including That dagger 3 he hit in game 3. Right in Lebrons mouth, on his floor, to clinch the game and give them a 3-0 lead. And 35 on those splits ain’t normal for KD at all or anyone. you don’t have to lie for lebron
Quit the glaze man I agree this was great but numbers don’t mean everything bro what numbers don’t account for is competition level injuries to key players that you go against all the little things
Because it is genuinely fair to have MJ over him. People who act like it isn't a debate haven't taken the time to actually look into the debate, however. It is as thin as it gets and the players agree (a recent poll had Lebron trailing by only like 3%). In 20 years, people are going to talk about Lebron A LOT more favorably.
Simple the eye test, the killer instinct, clutch Gene's, not afraid from an important moment willing to he's 💯% efforts from the defense and scoring constantly not giving up, not tantrum, not flops, not crying, not faking injury, not drama, not going to another team recruits all-star teammates for a chance chasing ring. cheating the games not good for player resume to become a goat?😭 failure.
@edwingustilo6594 those are cliché talking points. "Clutch gene"? That being said it's clear Jordan is goat. Multiple nba teams have completely shut down lebron in a series. Jordan's worst series is better than most superstars fifth worst series
@@ElliottForgey because some ppl aren’t brainwashed like sheep to believe whatever propaganda is being spat at them. He ain’t go goat not even better then mike or kobe, he’s around 4-5
People were saying bron was better than Kobe before he ever won a ring and it took him joining two superstars to finally win and then y’all start comparing him to Jordan 🤦🏾♂️
averaging a damn near 40-point triple double in a playoff series and still losing is crazy, just goes to show how ass lebron's supporting cast was relative to your usual championship team
I think 2015 LeBron pretty much is underrated as well... That was a team where he lost Kyrie and Kevin Love in the playoffs and yet still got them to the Finals
You did an outstanding job at talking about 2009 Lebron, which, even though it's usually ranked as one of his best, I think is very underrated on an all-time scale. He was at his overall peak in 2013 and got the chip, he was offensively speaking, unstoppable in 2018. But in 2009 Lebron was an athletic freak, one that could not be stopped. I’d like to add a few more points about his run to further nail down how good he was.
- Out of all the mentioned players to lead their team in every major category, Lebron’s team won 66 games. Compare this to KG’s Wolves in second who won fifteen less at 51 games. No other player's team cracked 50 wins.
- In terms of playoff PER, Lebron posted a straight up goofy 37.39. That is second all-time to only Hakeem Olajuwon in 1988, who lost in the first round.
- This season ranks 8th all-time in terms of WS. Keep in mind, WS is a cumulative stats. He only played 14 games in the 2009 postseason. The next lowest for a player ahead of him was Jokic’s 2023 title run where he played 20 games.
- Lebron’s WS/48 sat at .399. Outside of George Mikan in 1954 (WS and WS/48 were higher pre-merger) and the previously mentioned 1988 postseason by Olajuwon, no other player comes within .06 of him.
- His BPM is also the highest of all time at a ridiculous 17.53, 2.9 ahead of Jordan’s remarkable 1991 title run.
- His VORP sits at 2.86, 8th all-time. VORP, like WS, is a cumulative stat. The next closest in games played is Jordan’s 1991 with 17 games, .03 ahead of Lebron
- As briefly touched on, Lebron averaged 38.5 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 8 APG, 1.2 SPG, and 1.2 BPG on 48.7% from the field. That season, Orlando was the #1 defense in the league, anchored by DPOY Dwight Howard. If you don’t understand how insane that is, read it again.
- This series is widely known for Orlando catching fire. In terms of shooting splits the Cavs were -1.6% from the field, -7% from 3, and -1% from the line relative to their regular season averages. The Magic were +2.5% from the field, +2.7% from 3, and +2.2% from the line relative to their regular season averages. This doesn't even put into context that Rashard Lewis and Mickael Pietrus were shooting 48.4% and 47.2% from deep on over 5 attempts a night.
- He was 2nd in total scoring, 25th in total rebounding, 8th in total assists, 7th in total steals, and 25th in total blocks. This was the only time in Lebron’s career he finished top 25 in the league in all major statistical categories. Additionally, Lebron had the highest TS% of any SF in the league at 59.1% and was 3rd in FG% among SFs.
In terms of MVP seasons, I genuinely think it topples every single other one (yes, that includes 2016 Steph) EXCEPT 1988 Jordan which is just on another level, even compared to this version of Lebron. I don’t think you HAVE to say that it was his best season, especially when he won the chip in 2013, but I think you have to at least ACKNOWLEDGE that it is in that conversation, especially with his level of help.
In other words HE WAS INSANE.
This is the best playoffs ever by an individual
@@reillyhopf6508 Kobe should of won that year With how historically difficult that west was.
@@0vern9K No, he shouldn't have. Kobe wasn't even the second best player that year, Wade was. 66 wins no matter what conference makes in unarguable.
@@reillyhopf6508 What? Wade was not better then kobe that year what are you talking about 😂. Wade besides maybe when kobe got older was never better then kobe because of the fact Wade can’t shoot.
And just cause something doesn’t help your argument doesn’t mean just excuse it. Factually the west was harder then the east in 09 substantially harder you can’t just ignore that because you love lebron. The east compared to the west was pathetic in 09 the west’s 8 seeded 48 win jazz would be the 3rd best team in the east had you place them there, the 5th seed out east only won 43 games💀 and the west had six 50 win teams 5 of which won 54 games… that’s how bad the difference in conferences was which matters
BPM and VORP have lost their value in retrospect when NBA asked Bball reference to adjust it's formula to benefit Jordan's numbers as the gap between Jordan's and Lebron's numbers were too big...beside that, yes, one could argue that 2009 was his best season statistically. Great video, I secretly hoped that his 16-17 season will be talked about.
Can you explain? I'd like to know more
His 2013-14 season was really underrated too.
yeah 2009 LeBron is the best LeBron and nobody talks about it which I find super dumb
Nah 2013 is better than 2009 but ‘09 is LeBron’s second best season imo
2013 Bron is still bette
2013 is a better argument, as he was clearly the best player in the world that year. The same can't be said for 09 Bron, as while it was a debate, most people considered Kobe better; especially, considering the 09 Finals.
Because 2009 isn’t the best him he couldn’t even shoot y’all just see stats and ramble
I actually thought this was sarcasm
Excellent video, very well done mate
All seasons were good! I think his most slept on season is 2005, 2006 , so his 2nd and 3rd year. 2008 , 2011 , 2014 , 2015, 2017 , 2019 . Most SLEPT on , LEAST talked about seasons! So if I were to choose just one , I’m taking 2014 , the biggest he ever got WEIGHT - WISE lol
I honestly don’t think anyone else can have 2 60+ win seasons and 4 50+ win seasons with that Cavs team but bron
You should've shown his postseason advanced stats, he had .399 ws/48, nobody has ever come close to that, he had a 17.5 bpm. He led the playoffs in total VORP and win shares despite only playing 14 games and there was a prime Kobe Bryant playing through 23 playoff games, playing 9 more games and LeBron beat him in the total advanced stats, that is simply insane. Forgot to mention he also had 37.4 PER, just crazy
Finally people are noticing
@@louischampagnon3670 noticing what that lebron fans are stat nerds? We already know this 😂
@@sammcdermott78 nobody cares for contextless advanced stats bro
@@0vern9K what context would take away from LeBron's advanced stats here then bud
@@sammcdermott78 because advanced stats don’t accurately depict what they say they do. Or certain aspects of the game effect the makeup of the stat differently then others. Like rebounding steals etc. But basketball is a system sport meaning different guys are asked to do different things for the team but stats don’t account that or anything really. So their misleading. Not in Lebrons case but in general they factually are and most ppl don’t even know the makeup of these stats. Just the meaning their given at face value
2009 LeBron might be my favorite version of LeBron
Same, as you can tell
This is literally damn near my favorite LeBron season so I knew it would be this one you were talking abour
The reason no one brings up 09 is because LeBron at the time was mostly considered to be only the 2nd best player in the NBA that year (especially when post-season success was taken into account). 2013 Bron is a better argument because Bron was clearly the best player in the NBA that year.
This unironically also proves why Lebron is the goat and why his shortcomings to rings is based on his team not him
Mj is the goat lmao
You could say the same about wilt Chamberlain
@@galaxybiscuit mj is the one and only goat. Wilt lebron kareem and kobe are on the next tier
2011 and 2014 was definitely him
2011
2018 solos no dif he took a g league injury team to the finals lebron was old in 2018 still stupid athletic he has what 3 game winners at the buzzer 2 in the playoffs he played all the nba games i thing right and his dunks where unbelievable and dominated game 1 and almost by himself beat an all star team by himself in taking 2018 easyyyyy against any lebron
2008-09 season is the peak lebron if lebron win a ring that season it will be the greatest single season performance of all time
Simply put 08-09 was his best regular season, 12-13 was his best overall including playoffs.
My favorite version of Lebron
The best Lebron James season is 2008-09, 2012-13, 2015-16 & 2019-20. It's that simple.
Leaving out 2018 is crazy
@@babyecho-_-3610 was about to say
The most unexpected team to win 66 games
I still think 2013 Lebron the best But 2009 Lebron was his athletic peak
This just validates dwight Howard in my opinion. I still think 2018 bron but u made a compelling case. 2009 bron definitely was on 1.
Lebron is actually better than Jordan, give LeBron a core for a decade plus (consistent 2nd option making all nba and all defensive and an all time coach) i think it’d be like LeBron facing 2020 Miami Heat every time he went to the finals
LeBron would be 10-0
Jordan is way better than lebron bro stop it
Pippen really made if further with the Bulls than Jordan did without him.
Cause had had a better team then those old Jordan’s bulls teams were you dropped as a kid or something
🤡🤡🤡taking no context is crazy the bull were way better than when Jordan had it
Jordan was like in his first 3 seasons and was facing a all time team every years the Celtics with 5 hit and with a lazy ass team
Jordan is the goat you can cry about it but it’s true
@@rtx9430 No. He couldn't even compete in the 80s despite being an MVP and DPOY
Being a lebron fan and stat nerd go hand and hand
good
We always talk about 2009 bron
Nobody talks about 2017 where he averaged a triple double in the finals
@@do.2808 cause kd was bussin his ass giving him 35 a game on 55/47/92 splits. Ppl should talk about that
@@0vern9KBingo
@@0vern9Kthats a better reason to talk about it they were going head to head with efficient 30 bombs
@@0vern9K I mean KD is a walking bucket so that's so simple for him so
Doesn’t matter 35 on those splits is ridiculous KD was humiliating him out there. Including That dagger 3 he hit in game 3. Right in Lebrons mouth, on his floor, to clinch the game and give them a 3-0 lead.
And 35 on those splits ain’t normal for KD at all or anyone. you don’t have to lie for lebron
Quit the glaze man I agree this was great but numbers don’t mean everything bro what numbers don’t account for is competition level injuries to key players that you go against all the little things
If lbs had a great coach and Gm his 1st stint he would have 10 rings easy
the year before he entered the nba
I don’t know if u serious or not but u kinda come off as a dumbssa wit that comment
how do people not think he’s the goat
Because it is genuinely fair to have MJ over him. People who act like it isn't a debate haven't taken the time to actually look into the debate, however. It is as thin as it gets and the players agree (a recent poll had Lebron trailing by only like 3%). In 20 years, people are going to talk about Lebron A LOT more favorably.
Simple the eye test, the killer instinct, clutch Gene's, not afraid from an important moment willing to he's 💯% efforts from the defense and scoring constantly not giving up, not tantrum, not flops, not crying, not faking injury, not drama, not going to another team recruits all-star teammates for a chance chasing ring. cheating the games not good for player resume to become a goat?😭 failure.
@edwingustilo6594 those are cliché talking points. "Clutch gene"?
That being said it's clear Jordan is goat. Multiple nba teams have completely shut down lebron in a series. Jordan's worst series is better than most superstars fifth worst series
He’s not
@@ElliottForgey because some ppl aren’t brainwashed like sheep to believe whatever propaganda is being spat at them. He ain’t go goat not even better then mike or kobe, he’s around 4-5
2017
I’ll
Never forgive him for not meeting Kobe that year ;(
Why nobody saying 2018 bron 😭like what easily the best bron
People were saying bron was better than Kobe before he ever won a ring and it took him joining two superstars to finally win and then y’all start comparing him to Jordan 🤦🏾♂️
Cavs went 66 wins but i doubt Lakers would still beat them in the finals
typical 2000's glaze
LeBum sucks.
Technically his best season was 2005-06 but 2021-22 and 2007-08 are debatable
He didn’t even make the playoffs in 2022
I’m talking about his individual stats that season