Southern Pacific 4274: Last Trip Over Donner Pass

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  • Опубліковано 14 гру 2022
  • On November 30 and December 1, 1957, the era of large articulated steam power officially came to a close on the Southern Pacific when SP AC-11 4274 pulled a fan trip from Sacramento to Reno and return. Sponsored by the California-Nevada Railroad Historical Society, this was the last time, the sound of ear-shattering exhaust and wheezing air pumps would echo through the Sierra Nevada Mountains as they had for nearly 50 years.
    This video comes from the 8mm and 16mm cameras of 5 different railfans, and shows the Sacramento to Reno run from end to end with lots of dramatic runby shots and pacing sequences, and are from the archives of the Western Railway Museum.
    Enjoy this look at SP 4274, as she conquers the Sierra Nevada Mountains one last time!
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  • @LectronCircuits
    @LectronCircuits 11 місяців тому +17

    4274 was beautiful. We must build more of them at all costs. Cheers!

  • @thomasavensjr.2790
    @thomasavensjr.2790 Рік тому +28

    It's a true shame that SP 4274 ended up being scrapped instead of being preserved for public display observation, the 4274 had the significance of hauling one of the last steam excursion trains on the SP. I am satisfied that the 4294 was preserved for display, but I wish that there were more than one surviving "cab forward" locomotives on display and from different classes such as the ac-8 or 10 variants. I am satisfied that this footage of SP 4274 hauling the steam excursions was recorded on film and is available for personal observation of railfans.

    • @blackterminal
      @blackterminal Рік тому +3

      Scrapping it was a crime.

    • @egg-...
      @egg-... 7 місяців тому

      ​@blackterminal my favourite train :(

  • @BuckeyeNationRailroader
    @BuckeyeNationRailroader 10 місяців тому +11

    This trip was extremely difficult to pull off. Southern Pacific was a railroad that was prided on public image, and when the trip was first proposed the Southern Pacific wanted nothing of it. Thankfully though the board of directors voted on allowing the trip and the vote passed and the trip was run. It was the same scenario with Cab Forward 4294, that engine was never supposed to be preserved.

  • @TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan
    @TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan Рік тому +79

    What’s great about this version of filming southern pacific cab forward locomotives is that it shows in depth what the whistle really sounded like. It was very interesting. Is that the whistle on the cab forward was not controlled by a rope it was controlled by an air valve. Very cool and very unique. And truthfully, I honestly wish we could’ve done better to save 4274. It would’ve been great to have two surviving examples of cab forward locomotives

    • @cheezart895
      @cheezart895 Рік тому +4

      When you say the whistle was controlled by an air valve are you talking about the air horn or the steam whistle?

    • @TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan
      @TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan Рік тому +5

      @@cheezart895 I’m talking about the steam whistle I own the Pentrex DVD, Southern Pacific Cab Forward Collection and according to author and railroad historian Dr. Bob Church, he explained that the whistle was controlled by an air valve
      ua-cam.com/video/7Gylvu9Dxyo/v-deo.html this video doesn’t it show or explain the whistle, but it is a preview of this DVD

    • @cheezart895
      @cheezart895 Рік тому +3

      @@TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan ah ok but pretty cool

    • @o484
      @o484 Рік тому +3

      It also shows their distinctive compressor exhaust

    • @cheezart895
      @cheezart895 Рік тому +3

      @@TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan i went to the ca state rr museum and i now realize that it has an air valve

  • @Buck1954
    @Buck1954 11 місяців тому +11

    I was awed by its size in 1985 when I first saw it in the Sacramento Train Museum. It was truly the pinnacle of steam locomotives. Makes one wonder why they didn't go with the cab forward design long before this last series.

    • @daniellewis1789
      @daniellewis1789 11 місяців тому +5

      Crashworthiness, plus you need oil firing. It's more complex than needed if you don't have tunnels.

  • @oceanmariner
    @oceanmariner Рік тому +29

    When I was a kid, my family camped in the Sierras near Cisco Grove. About a half mile from the SP mainline. Older cab forwards must have had steam whistles, because that's what I remember. At night you could hear them whistling thru the mountains. Before Interstate 5 went thru Sacramento, when turning from I street to Jibboom street, you crossed the SP mainline heading toward SF. Often there would be a cab forward waiting with cars for the signal to leave. The engine just a few feet from the crossing. The SP yard in Sacramento was huge. They could do major repairs on steam locos. In the steam days, almost everybody knew someone employed by SP. Almost all gone now. Me, too.

    • @iowa61
      @iowa61 11 місяців тому +2

      They all had steam whistles. They had air horns as well. But generally used the steam whistles. My cousin was a hoghead for the SP and said he never used the air horn.

    • @PeterStacey-rm4nn
      @PeterStacey-rm4nn 11 місяців тому +5

      I was on this last trip with my parents

    • @Stussmeister
      @Stussmeister 11 місяців тому +2

      That sounds quite interesting. Though I live on the East Coast, I have been fortunate enough to see the last surviving Cab Forward (#4294) at the California State Railroad Museum, and have also read a book about an SP railroader's memories of working on the line.

  • @mr.sir.
    @mr.sir. Рік тому +11

    The SP 6 chime is the most romantic whistle ever

  • @joe-qo3qi
    @joe-qo3qi 11 місяців тому +4

    One cannot but have great respect for these old work horses, the lonesome whistle and the mighty legends they created all across America. Gotta lov'em🇺🇸

  • @railfan439
    @railfan439 Рік тому +11

    Southern Pacific Railroad merged with, or was bought out by, Union Pacific Railroad. With the restoration of U.P. 4014, a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy,, wouldn't it be a real bonus to have U.P. take the last remaining cab forward, a 4-8-8-2, and restore it to running the rails again. Can you imagine those two steam locomotives running as a single consist? Thanks for the video. Jon, Railfan 439, on the U.P., Pacific Coast Line, Santa Barbara Subdivision, M.P. 404.5.

  • @adriaanboogaard8571
    @adriaanboogaard8571 Рік тому +7

    It's a thing of beauty. I've been in it. It's well worth the effort to go see it and the rest of the collection in old town Sacramento.

  • @callumthornelow2936
    @callumthornelow2936 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you so much for posting this. 👍 I'm constantly having to remind myself that is going forwards, not backwards. 😅

  • @TrainmasterSP-qk2lo
    @TrainmasterSP-qk2lo Рік тому +14

    Thank you for sharing! Such an impressive locomotive!

  • @speedracer3104
    @speedracer3104 Рік тому +8

    Wow!! Another excellent vid of SP back in the day...beautiful!!

  • @RickyJr46
    @RickyJr46 Рік тому +4

    My uncle George (Janes) was a towerman at the old Bayshore yard in San Francisco. As a lifelong railfan and model railroader, I reckon big George would've been trackside for 4274’s last runs.

  • @bobgarske9579
    @bobgarske9579 11 місяців тому +2

    I went to see the grand opening of the Sacramento railroad. I've seen this monster in person at the railroad museum and it's worth going to see all by itself. There are still many other locomotives there in the displays.

  • @RickyJr46
    @RickyJr46 Рік тому +4

    Many thanks for posting this marvelous footage!

  • @delfincruz6786
    @delfincruz6786 2 місяці тому

    A testament of a Beautiful firepower monster ❤

  • @TheDarkfighter101
    @TheDarkfighter101 Рік тому +4

    That shot of auburn is Amazing. They are standing in the cut for I-80.

  • @matthenderson2558
    @matthenderson2558 Рік тому +4

    I saw this type of locomotive going over Donner Summit at a Norden when I lived there in the early sixties. Love this. Thanks for posting such a historic video for us to enjoy!

  • @The0311gruntUSMC
    @The0311gruntUSMC Рік тому +4

    Nice work and thank you for sharing.

  • @georgebliss8262
    @georgebliss8262 Рік тому +6

    I love this footage and have never seen it. Awesome job!

  • @griswald322
    @griswald322 Рік тому +5

    Great to have a record of this loco in operation. Maybe one day it's surviving sister can be restored to working order like the Union Pacific Big Boy 4014

    • @ronaldvrooman9695
      @ronaldvrooman9695 11 місяців тому +1

      Or like the Southern Pacific Daylight locomotive, #4449, a big 4-8-4 which went into service in 1941.

  • @nigelterry9299
    @nigelterry9299 11 місяців тому +2

    That's a beast!!!

  • @rickyarvizu7535
    @rickyarvizu7535 Рік тому +2

    Excellent Presentation, Hunter!

  • @dustbowlhammer7119
    @dustbowlhammer7119 6 місяців тому

    I used to think the Cab forward locomotive was strange, but the more I learned about it, the more it bacame one of my favorites! Such a unique history.

  • @TheTrainGeekShow
    @TheTrainGeekShow 10 місяців тому +1

    What a great video, thanks for uploading!

  • @henrymuenich6296
    @henrymuenich6296 10 місяців тому +1

    Great video 📹

  • @2quintly
    @2quintly Рік тому +1

    Great coverage.

  • @johnnycee5179
    @johnnycee5179 Рік тому +2

    This is what I was looking for

  • @lowercherty
    @lowercherty Рік тому +6

    As a Missabe fan, a backwards Yellowstone.

  • @jacksalvin364
    @jacksalvin364 Рік тому +5

    November 30th and December 1st, 1957
    Extra 4274 East: The Sierra Daylight.

  • @skywatcherca
    @skywatcherca 2 місяці тому

    Wonderful!!

  • @rayinpau.s.a.6351
    @rayinpau.s.a.6351 Рік тому +3

    Well documented video . I have never actually seen a Cab Forward in operation . very nice!

    • @cabbagepatch8947
      @cabbagepatch8947 Рік тому

      Any vids showing inside the cab?

    • @griswald322
      @griswald322 11 місяців тому

      It is like a lot of things. We didn't really appreciate what we had until it's gone

    • @backonpro5679
      @backonpro5679 2 місяці тому

      @@cabbagepatch8947the preserved cab forward in Sacramento has an open cab, there are probably tours of it on UA-cam if you search Sacramento railroad museum

  • @richlohse5795
    @richlohse5795 Рік тому +2

    I remember going to Soda Springs with you. Now I work at a place like that in Big Sky 8-)

  • @danielboone3770
    @danielboone3770 Рік тому +3

    Love it!

  • @nitinkanals5087
    @nitinkanals5087 Рік тому +2

    Unique locomotive.

  • @drosera88
    @drosera88 10 місяців тому

    It's crazy that only one of these was preserved.

  • @sirbarongaming2138
    @sirbarongaming2138 6 місяців тому

    Such a shame that we'll never see these giants roaming our rails again, most unique looking articulated locomotive by far

  • @johnhagan7742
    @johnhagan7742 11 місяців тому +1

    2:50
    With a plume of oil smoke that big, I bet the rail fans on board got some pretty good photo shots of 4274 at work.

  • @johnoneill5661
    @johnoneill5661 10 місяців тому +1

    Amazing looking locomotives you have to look twice just to figure out what's going on.😅

  • @ddpeak1
    @ddpeak1 Рік тому

    Thank you for posting I wish somebody had filmed the large Garrett that used to run on the Great central line in northern England. It’s good that you found this footage and shared it I wonder if who filmed it years ago would’ve dreamed it would’ve been streamed all over the world for us to enjoy. Oh one question do tunnels in the US not have names.? all the tunnels here in Great Britain are named usually by their location.

    • @WEM2016
      @WEM2016 Рік тому +1

      Completely depends on the location. SP numbered the tunnels on Donner, for instance, but Union Pacific’s mainline in Wyoming passes through Hermosa Tunnel.

  • @snydedon9636
    @snydedon9636 10 місяців тому

    At the museum at the end was 4294 not 4274. Maybe I missed something, but either way that was a excellent video. Thanks to whoever filmed the last turn of sp4274.

    • @mikehawk2003
      @mikehawk2003 9 місяців тому

      The SP was initally (likely out of spite) against preserving a cab forward, which resulted in the scrapping of 4274. 4294 was a later compromise.

  • @sigsauersean
    @sigsauersean 11 місяців тому +1

    My grandfather called my dad a liar when he went from Ohio to SoCal and saw one of these the first time and told his dad about it, he went back and took a picture of it as proof.

  • @neilmansfield8329
    @neilmansfield8329 10 місяців тому

    This a good videp

  • @crewelocoman5b161
    @crewelocoman5b161 Рік тому +1

    Fabulous footage. Great to see the "cab forward" in its heyday. Is there one of these locomotives residing in a museum anywhere in the U.S?

  • @WiilyDerbbinphlatte
    @WiilyDerbbinphlatte Рік тому +2

    Never could get use to these cab forwards. Still can't.

  • @deweyhall712
    @deweyhall712 Рік тому +2

    Its a shame, that only 1 cab forward has survived, and is in a california museum.

    • @ronniesmith8941
      @ronniesmith8941 Рік тому

      It's at the California State Railroad museum in Sacramento, California

    • @rudycarlson8245
      @rudycarlson8245 4 місяці тому

      @@ronniesmith8941 what would the 4294 need to run a total heavy overhaul? I think the last time it was under steam was 1956?

  • @iowa61
    @iowa61 11 місяців тому +1

    The State Railroad Museum should restore 4294 and steam it up. I’ve heard the same excuses about that locomotive that I heard for years about the UP Big Boy…”It’s too big. Too complex. Too expensive… It’’ll never be done… blah blah blah…”

    • @HunterLohseRRVideos
      @HunterLohseRRVideos  11 місяців тому +1

      Logistically and politically speaking 4294 is fine just where it is

    • @eva.cassidy
      @eva.cassidy 11 місяців тому

      Think if someone came up with all the money to restore it to operation maybe the state would go for it. Issue there are limited places it could run.

    • @iowa61
      @iowa61 11 місяців тому

      @@HunterLohseRRVideos Exactly what they said about the Big Boy (and some still do). You can always find reasons to not do something. It’s called inertia.

    • @iowa61
      @iowa61 11 місяців тому

      @@eva.cassidy People would still come up with reasons why it can’t be done. “Train Orders” is notorious for this thinking.

    • @HunterLohseRRVideos
      @HunterLohseRRVideos  11 місяців тому +2

      The Big Boy was two private corporations exchanging a transaction. The 4294 is owned by the state of California which requires way more political hoops, and with the current railroad climate, especially surrounding where it is, it is just not practical

  • @cratecruncher4974
    @cratecruncher4974 11 місяців тому +1

    Before even California cared about clean air.

  • @dougc190
    @dougc190 Рік тому +2

    Those pre-recorded sounds of that engine? I didn't think cameras of that vintage had sound to them. Just sounds like it was all additive. It's not a complaint the video is great just curiosity

    • @HunterLohseRRVideos
      @HunterLohseRRVideos  Рік тому +4

      Yes the sound is synchronized as most home movies at that time were traditionally silent

    • @alwaysbearded1
      @alwaysbearded1 Рік тому

      Most home cameras no, but the talkies started late twenties and sound was improved by the mid to late 30's.

    • @dalecomer5951
      @dalecomer5951 Рік тому

      How do we know the audio is authentic?

  • @joelharris1335
    @joelharris1335 Рік тому +2

    So the AC-11's have a whistle and a horn?

    • @T128Productions
      @T128Productions 4 місяці тому

      Almost every steam locomotive on the SP were equipped with air horns.

  • @darrealemerick8685
    @darrealemerick8685 Рік тому

    One thing I got to know how did they fuel this engine? The one that was in the movie back to the future, had a wood or coal car behind it. Unless i am mistaken i didn't see anyone moving coal or wood from the car behind the engine. Please explain this to a beginning student of this fascinating technology.

  • @jeffbutler6100
    @jeffbutler6100 11 місяців тому +1

    S P Cab Forwards were all oil fired...none of that messy coal fired stuff..with soot and cinder..and ash 5:32

  • @petergibbs
    @petergibbs Рік тому

    A nice video, but I wish you had shown inside the cab.

  • @lynn4205
    @lynn4205 Рік тому

    I know I can , I know I can , I know I can

  • @robkrasinski6217
    @robkrasinski6217 Рік тому

    Is California very mountainous? But, are there also flat areas of the state?

    • @HunterLohseRRVideos
      @HunterLohseRRVideos  Рік тому +3

      California has everything, mountains, valleys, hills, deserts, and beaches

  • @Topper-gf8xl
    @Topper-gf8xl 2 місяці тому

    Was that a diesel horn I heard early in the film?

  • @rusty383
    @rusty383 Рік тому +2

    How did they get Coal to the Boiler. Maybe it was Oil Fired

    • @HunterLohseRRVideos
      @HunterLohseRRVideos  Рік тому +1

      They were oil fired as are most steam locomotives that operate on the west coast

    • @johnhagan7742
      @johnhagan7742 Рік тому

      Note: With the cab in front, the crews knew that coal firing the engines would be impossible, so they burned oil instead.

    • @TenMinuteTrips
      @TenMinuteTrips Рік тому +2

      Also, the oil tender was pressurized to insure positive fuel oil flow to the burner, even at the thinner air at 7,000’ Donner Pass.

    • @mistzy8435
      @mistzy8435 Рік тому +1

      @@johnhagan7742 Camelbacks existed, I'll remind you

    • @russellgxy2905
      @russellgxy2905 Рік тому +1

      Yeah they pretty much needed to be oil burners for this desigh to work properly. Even then, their main terrain was California. Pretty much every steamer working in the state, and its neighbors, were oil burners because oil was far more readily available than coal. The same applies to the Santa Fe's steam fleet working that far west, and even UP's steamers were usually oil burners working west of Ogden

  • @mistzy8435
    @mistzy8435 Рік тому

    The audio doesn't sound original... Is it?

  • @jodyreeder4820
    @jodyreeder4820 11 місяців тому

    They need to bring back steam.

  • @ice401557
    @ice401557 Рік тому

    Were these oil fired?

  • @OnlyTheEd
    @OnlyTheEd Рік тому

    Too bad there is no "operating" cab-forward today.

  • @gabrielquinones3343
    @gabrielquinones3343 8 місяців тому

    Does it still run to this day ?

  • @yanni2112
    @yanni2112 10 місяців тому +1

    moving in reverse it looks normal

    • @T128Productions
      @T128Productions 3 місяці тому

      The Southern Pacific also had AC-9s, which were basically the reversed cab forwards.

  • @robertgift
    @robertgift Рік тому +1

    Why not run the engine backward through the tunnels? Then you have the protection of the tender in front of the crew. Was told that engine crews were vulnerable to injury at grade crossing collisions.

    • @IIIIIIlllllllIIILLL
      @IIIIIIlllllllIIILLL 11 місяців тому

      This is a cab-(foward) train

    • @robertgift
      @robertgift 11 місяців тому

      @@IIIIIIlllllllIIILLL A cab foRward locomotive. Notrain.
      Why not run the engine backward through the tunnels? Then you have the protection of the tender in front of the crew. Was told that engine crews were vulnerable to injury at grade crossing collisions.

    • @IIIIIIlllllllIIILLL
      @IIIIIIlllllllIIILLL 11 місяців тому

      @@robertgift How can the driver see then? its not like a normal steam train. the driver seeing the cab is just weird. what if theres a car in the railroad crossing?

    • @robertgift
      @robertgift 11 місяців тому +1

      @@IIIIIIlllllllIIILLL Correct. Less visibility withe tender obstructing the view.
      Buthe boiler also obstructed the view.
      My great uncle had his fireman also look ahead when rounding left curves.

    • @b43xoit
      @b43xoit 10 місяців тому

      "After a number of crews nearly asphyxiated, the locomotive was run in reverse. This meant that the tender was leading the train, which introduced new problems. The tender blocked the view ahead and put crewmen on the wrong sides of the cab for seeing signals. The tenders were not designed to be pushed at the lead of the train, which limited speeds." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cab_forward

  • @lutomson3496
    @lutomson3496 Рік тому +1

    4294 is at the sacramento museum, the restoration is expensive though, this video tells a lot of half truths not a lot of facts

  • @shammshaw7901
    @shammshaw7901 10 місяців тому

    RIP SP 4274 IT WAS SCRAPPED AFTER RETIREMENT

    • @gabrielquinones3343
      @gabrielquinones3343 8 місяців тому

      Was it really

    • @T128Productions
      @T128Productions 3 місяці тому

      @@gabrielquinones3343 Sadly, yes. The 4274 was scrapped after being retired. As the matter of fact, all of the cab forward steam locomotives were scrapped, except for 4294, the last cab forward which is now on display at the California State Railroad Museum.

  • @holgerspangenberg3706
    @holgerspangenberg3706 11 місяців тому

    Eine hübsche Lokomotive mit einem hässlichen Geheule.

  • @TheRoadburner99
    @TheRoadburner99 Рік тому

    Someone should really restore one @MrBeast

    • @IIIIIIlllllllIIILLL
      @IIIIIIlllllllIIILLL 11 місяців тому +2

      You think a "rich" youtuber can restore that?

    • @rudycarlson8245
      @rudycarlson8245 4 місяці тому

      For the 4294 to run, it would take a big crew to get her up and running! Not to mention, probably about over $1 million

  • @rCory1945
    @rCory1945 Рік тому +1

    🚆🚄seen it in Sacramento railway museum🚅