Guys I apologize about the dash screen not being picked up well with the camera. Next POV drive I do I’ll max out the brightness on the dash so you can see it better.
I have the same car, ‘23 Hatchback 6MT, except in white, and I love it! I bought it on 11/29/22 and now have almost 26,000 miles on it. I already subscribed and look forward to your content!
RPM 100% does affect fuel economy. I have found, shockingly, that the cube root of the ratio between rpm is an incredibly good approximation for the difference between fuel consumption, all other things being equal. For example, if your car cruises at 2200 rpm at 60 mph at gets 40 MPG, if you downshift to a lower gear and instead cruise at 3000 rpm, your mpg will be reduced by a factor of cbrt(3000/2200) which would be 36 MPG.
10th Gen Civic Hatchback owner here - ordered my new 2018 LX (5 years ago) with a 6 speed, 1.5 turbo, love it. Have 87k on it now. The fun having the low rpm torque is a huge plus over the N/A engine. I just didn't want to give that up vs having to rev a N/A engine out a bit. I average 40 to 42 mpg at 70mph on the highway, about 35 in town. Your point about the tach and speedo readouts is right on! 10th gen has big digital mph readout which I love. My 10th gen MSRP was $19,900 and I bought it for $700 below MSRP back then ($19,200). I truly believe that if I don't "tune" the 1.5T engine (which I have no plans to do), it will last at least 250k miles. I think that little 1.5T engine is tough as nails because tuners are getting 250+hp out of them and they run them hard. Just drive it spirited, and the 1.5T will last a long time, just my 2 cents.
Hondamobilemechanic has a YT channel and has seen a lot of blown head gaskets on Accords with 1.5T but not Civics. Accord has more boost vs Civic. He also recommends higher octane fuel.
Thanks for the POV drive! I commented on your initial video about this car, and I decided to get one as well. Have a silver 2.0 liter with a 6 speed reserved. I got lucky, for me its the exact trim and color i wanted all for MSRP, so im OTD in the $29k range in PA. The car has been built and set to deliver in 1-3 weeks. Happy the car seems quiet on the highway, I was concerned about roadnoise when i drove a cvt sport sedan. I agree about the trip odometer, that's a pain. Although I honestly shift by sound, but this car seems pretty quiet. Really hoping I dont have the leaking hatch issue, but I appreciate you are documenting it and hopefully we have a known solution soon.
There's probably bigger aftermarket sway bars, stiffer struts, and stiffer coil springs, like the Eibach that you get two choices of height lowering. I was not aware of the hatch leak problem. Good to know because I am still considering a Boost Blue Pearl Sport Hatchback if I don't opt for the HR-V Sport. I would rather have this N/A 2.0L over the 1.5L turbo any day. The detuned 2.0L turbo from the previous Accord would be a good thing to have for the Sport Touring or Si... Or maybe the Sport Touring should have the present Si version of the 1.5L turbo and the Si have the detuned 2.0L turbo. But the Civic Sport Hatchback/Sedan is the best bang for the buck.
I think this car is a flashback to Hondas true origins, and it is for a reason. Only thing missing is analog or semi digital cluster that really would have sent us back to a full nostalgia. So this may be the very end of the line for Honda 6MT with multi-point and this is the last hurrah by be 2-3 years away before total EV w/3 cylinder engines are the only choice going forward. We had a 1978 MT Civic hatch that I learned to drive, and a 2024 would be a good epilogue for me to finish out my car ownerships. The only thing that killed our 1978 Civic hatch was the Michigan rust, it otherwise ended the cars life way ahead of its intended time.
Congrats on getting the vehicle for msrp. Seems like every year the msrp price goes up. What's the ride height or ground clearance between your 8th gen civic and this new sport manual one? I would have loved if these modern cars still had a physical handbrake and didn't have that auto start stop since this is a manual. I agree with you, I might get one before this year ends because not sure how long Honda will produce the model you have in this video since the hybrid model will be available next year. Thanks for showing the road noise. My highway roads are just the same with those bumps.
So in 2022 I bought a Corolla hatchback with a manual transmission because they were cheaper, had more features that I preferred, and was dual injection. Seeing now that the Civic Sport isn't just direct injection makes me regret my decision a bit. The most lacking thing in the Corolla is the cargo space; the Civic is huge in comparison! But one thing I'm really grateful for on the Corolla SE is that I have a fully analog guage cluster. I really didn't like the idea of the XSE having a fully digital one, so I don't think you're being too picky at all. I'm enjoying your Civic content, it's interesting learning now about the Sport 6MT, even if likely will never own one. But who knows, never say never!
I looked at Corolla Hatch in 2019, but went with a Fit EX MT6 at the time, because, even though Corolla is one class higher, Fit had more usable room!! I've recently put a desposit down on a Civic Sport Hatch MT6 to *add* to my save-the-manuals collection.
I test drove the auto it felt a bit sluggish to me, I ordered the manual today it will be in @ October. How is the acceleration in the manual? One thing that really surprised me was how much room there is in the engine compartment. I did test drive the mazda 3 but after just sitting in the civic I was sold. It honestly is huge to me on the inside for how small the car is.
Check out my other videos on my cannel, I did another POV video where I do some more accelerations. Nothing full throttle yet so stay tuned for that. Car does just fine though, don’t expect it to be a quick car or anything but the manual is a lot more peppy than the cvt
Ive had the same car for about a month. It took forever to find one at MSRP. No leaks for myself luckily. Complaints: very tight clutch sonyou really hqve to work the stick into place. Definitely not smooth like a VW GTI Geared very low ... 1st gear is hardly even necessary. Close to 3000 rpm cruising at 70-75 on the highway. Pros: handles well. 36.2 mpg mostly highway miles in eco mode. Massive space with the hatch and seats down.
Wow 45mpg! Amazing... My 2023 HR-V has the K20Z5 2.0 liter, but only available with CVT. I do wish Honda had not eliminated the temp gauge. I agree with you about the trip meter. Please Honda, put the Accord trip meter in the civic! And do not eliminate manual tranny as others have done.
I drove one of these today & find your videos very helpful. Looks like I can get one for $28,250 OTD - $2k for my clapped out 2016 KIA Sorento with 212,000 & a failed cat. I like the 6 speed manual, multiple port FI, under stressed engine & overall look. Thx again
You are correct about the MPG. Most of these cars can easily outperform their rated MPG. My 2019 Camry 2.5 avesrged 38.5 and kts rated for 33 average. My accord 2.0 turbo is rated for 28 and i get easily 32 average.
I love how unobtrusive the tech appears to be in this car. I haven't been a fan of what they've been doing lately, but this seems to be a decent balance of touchscreen vs button and dials
As someone who owned Toyotas my whole life, switched to an accord and the tech is absolutely worse than anything I've ever used. Firstly it's horribly unreliable. The safety systems shadow brake repeatedly so I turned off emergency braking entirely (but you have to turn it off every drive, it turns itself back on every time) and the lane assist can sometimes just not work. The infotainment literally deleted devices every few days from memory, so I have to repair my phone except you can only do it when stopped, so if you didn't notice, no pairing all drive yay! Either way, all I learned is Honda electronics are all looks and no reliability compared to Toyota.
@@singular9 I have a 2021 Front Wheel Drive Mazda CX-5. You can completely deactivate the lane keep warnings and the shadow braking and they stay off when you re-start the car. It will also let you hit the gas and brake pedal simultaneously to correct for power understeer in the snow. I induced about 15 degrees of oversteer under braking and I felt zero intervention from the stability control. It seems like Mazdas might be the best choice for those of us who dislike intrusive tech in new cars!
You have some misconceptions about rpm, lugging, and mpg. If you break out a scan tool and monitor what the CVT version of this same car and any modern car with an electronic throttle body and automatic transmission (basically anything made after 2001) is doing, you will quickly find out that the ECU is applying 70-90% load on the engine as low as 1300 rpm in many cases. 80% load at 1500 rpm correlates to a throttle position absolute of about 20%. Just because you push the pedal down 20% of the way doesn't mean the engine is at 20% load, granted you have a car made after 2001 or so. When more power is requested, the ECU just tells the PCM to delay the shifts or initiate a downshift and allow higher rpm with the same torque to achieve higher power. There is a little bit of wiggle room, but it's all in the top 50-90% of the engine load range. The reason they do this is for fuel efficiency. And most of them you literally would not notice them doing this because they're designed for it. Most automatic cars made after 2015 or so very rarely operate under 50% engine load under regular driving conditions, and the only way to cause that to happen is to shift to neutral or to reduce the throttle input position to single digits while driving. You seem concerned about lugging your engine on the highway, and I'm here to tell you that you shouldn't be. 6th gear in this car at regular highway speeds is just about guaranteed to be over 2000 rpm, and possibly over 3000 rpm if traveling faster than 80mph. While it wouldn't be the most efficient option, you can floor the accelerator in 6th gear with this K20C engine at 2000 rpm and you won't hurt it one bit. Dialing it back to 90% over 100% would be more efficient, but believe it or not, driving at full throttle in 6th gear is actually more efficient than creating the same amount of power with less torque in 5th gear, or 4th, or any of the lower gears. And that's a fact you can convince yourself of quite quickly by monitoring live data on a scan tool. There is absolutely no reason to be afraid of low-mid rpm and mid-high load scenarios on a modern, NA, port injected engine. On a direct injection only engine, you'd be doing the engine an yourself a favor by avoiding driving with the engine rpm in any of the dead zones where intake air and fuel don't mix very well. This is usually between 1500-2000 rpm but it can be a tad lower or higher depending on the design of the engine. On a turbo engine, especially a modern high compression one, you would want to avoid driving in boost at lower rpm, that's also good practice. But in your case with your car, you would only benefit from making 6th gear your best friend above 35 mph or so for simple cruising. There isn't very much torque available in 6th gear at any given time, so you will need to downshift if you wanted to maintain speed up a steep hill or to accelerate quickly. Other than that, don't be afraid to lug your engine because unless you're near idle speed, you basically can't.
I couldn't find one (in manual) at the time and settled for an used (1 year) Subaru Impreza sport hatchback in manual. I saved over $6,000 for what the dealership wanted for an new Impreza. The more I drive it the more I appreciate the quality and handling of the Subaru. I still am jealous of your mpg and smoother shifting 6 speed over my 5 though. Thanks for the great review 🏹🤠👍.
I had a 2015 Impreza, but CVT, because I wanted adaptive cruise. Subaru *FINALLY* added manual transmission support to EyeSight in late 2023 (BRZ only), but now, the only manual cars they offer are BRZ and WRX. If they still had Crosstrek or Impreza with manual (and obviously EyeSight), I'd have bought one by now. Specifically, Impreza 2.5RS with manual + EyeSight would've been mine. Too bad for them, I'm going for a Civic, because of their stupid decisions.
Looking forward to your take on things you don’t like. Agree with you on the instrument cluster. Things I most don’t like about my civic manual sport: 1. No auto dimming rearview mirror. 2. Lack of coolant temp gauge. 3. No sunglasses holder
Thank you for posting quality content on the 2.0 Manual 11th gen! This is the closest I'll probably get to a test drive before ordering one, lol. There's so few of these cars out there. Even the sales staff I talked to at Honda dealers have had to look at their computers to confirm a 2.0 manual hatch even existed and could be ordered, haha. I'm also a fan of port injection as reputable direct injection motor walnut blasting costs a fortune and I don't want to risk chunks of carbon or walnut shells making it into my combustion chambers. I've also seen too many turbos blow on friends' cars on 3-5 year intervals, costing $5000-8000 to replace each time to order the turbo civics. Also I like the 158hp in this motor because then I can drive flat out, foot to the floor, in the first 3 gears without risking my license! I was watching the iihs crash tests for this car and there's a huge airbag in the center console to stop the driver and passenger from head butting each other during a T-boning accident! That's genius! My one concern with this car is the rev hang. Can I clutch in, upshift, and not have to count 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi,3 Mississippi before the revs drop enough to let out the clutch?
Thanks for the comment! Rev hang isn’t too bad, I think it’s less than the 1.5T civics. I’ll be putting up more videos and a better pov video with backroad spirited driving soon. Just need to find the time to get it all done. Stay tuned!
Here in the U.K. we only get the auto hybrid. I have a mid spec 2020 sr gen 10 manual which I love with 20,000 miles on. A gen 11 hybrid will cost me another £20,000 on top of mine. I wish we had the versions you have.
9500 miles. 10 degrees many mornings lately. I was told I could start it but wouldn’t get any heat at all till I drove it for a few miles. All Bull! Warm and defrosted in 5 minutes, just idling. No oil dilution so far, and I check it often.
9:18 Absolutely not. 26.7 MPH / 1000 rpm is very conservative cruising gearing. For reference, my 1994 Accord is at 25.9 MPH / 1000 rpm, which is effectively the same as this civic, and it simply does not lug at all once I get above 55 mph and it's happy to be floored even a 70 mph at 2700 rpm. For another reference, the 2006 Honda Civic with the R18 and the 5 speed auto was doing 31.9 MPH / 1000 rpm and it gets into 5th gear even down at 45 MPH (which would be 1400 rpm with the torque converter locked) and it handles it fine. 2200 rpm at 70 mph. Of course that is a rather extreme example and there is no appreciable torque for acceleration in 5th gear on that Civic but it will cruise fine. Also this same car with the CVT will do 38.5 MPH / 1000 rpm with the CVT which is 1800 rpm at 70 MPH ... and it also handles that fine. If you probe into the inner workings of the transmission logic on the CVT, it will comfortably run the engine at 93% load down as low as 1300 rpm at 50 MPH ... so no, you won't be lugging this car in 6th. You'd have to be pedal to the metal under 45 MPH to truly lug it in 6th.
With that turbo not there or the cvt. This car is so much more reliable now. Was think Jetta now I’m thinking this. Haven’t liked anything since my Prelude from 2001 but this car will definitely make me return to the brand again. On a side note, kinda surprised it has the stop/ start feature being manual.
Sweet car! I've always loved Hondas, i was considering this exact model but I ended getting a 2015 Acura TLX W/ Tech Package and 23,000 miles. It was either that or this exact car you got 0 miles. Prices differed slightly but something about that k24 paired to the double clutch 8 speed is what won me over immediately! The only downside is the tech is outdated compared to the civic... But everything else is a dream!
how's the ride of the car , is it as soft as the base model 2017 civic lx ? I had a civic lx manual 17 and it rode so comfortable, even absorbed bumps better than most crossover and SUV's !!
Cross shopping this and the 2023 mazda 3 manual. It now has 2.5L 191hp. I like the looks of the civic better tho, and the port injection. But for ~30k looks like mazda is more premium
Mazda 3 is a good buy as well. I think it is direct injected though (if that matters to you). I prefer the styling and interior room on the civic and the better fuel mileage. The civic is also a couple thousand less $$ if you get the Mazda 3 trim which offers the manual trans
Thanks for the content man! I been looking at Civics and thinking about selling my 2018 JLU Rubicon and getting back into a car. I want n/a and manual, I wish they offered this in the LX. I wanted to ask if you ever worry about sidewalls of the tires being to short? Coming from a jeep I like the ride height and not worrying too much about pot holes.
The springs are so soft in this car it still soaks up bumps pretty well. The rear is almost too soft for my liking. I plan to throw some 17s with winter tires on it for when the potholes are snow covered !
@@NAUS2K Thanks for your reply. Is there any reason why Honda didn't put manual in the sedan :( I would love it if Honda gave all trims, engine and trans option.
Yeah it’s a shame, I’d rather have a sedan but I do like the front grill on the hatch better. Unfortunately Honda is solidly phasing manuals out on the lower level trims like everyone else
I've looked into this and the suspension control arm architecture is very different on the Type R so you would probably have to change the entire front and rear subframes out too. I think the Type R seats should be plug and play though if you can find some in a totalled Type R!
I think you're being a little critical on the trip meter thing. I've used my trip meter maybe once or twice to check fuel economy, otherwise it's never used. Would it be nice if it didn't hide the tach? Sure but it's not a big deal to me.
Nice to hear your perspective! My thoughts are that this whole layout is designed for the CVT owners (which makes sense since 99% of these cars are CVT). There is even an option to turn off the tach and just have the info displayed. CVT owners don’t care about the rpm , the computer will do it’s thing and they don’t have to worry. Just wish they did something different to make the manual model special
No such thing as maintenance free, and the L15 has shown to have issues, but there are also a lot od people who have 200k+ miles on their turbos withoit a single issue, and it all comes down to changing oil at every 5k miles and not the BS maintenance minder that tries ro push your oil change past 10k miles every time, and also not using 0w20 unless you are in the winter. The turbo engines will burn and degrade a lot of 0w20 oils so using 0w30 or 5w30 is prefered. Changing any transmission fluid is also important, liftime fluid doesnt exist, and CVTs like Manuals, should be done ebery 30k miles. On GDI turbo enginrs, you can just use CRC valve and turbo cleaner every 10-20k miles, its cheap and works really well. In the end, its about tamikg care of your car. The k20 will last longer, but you can make the L15 last a long time if you just do the maintenance needed.
I have a 2022 civic sedan with 30,000 miles on it and my Rack & pinion has steering issues the failures started at 12,000 miles so be careful with your precious hatchback ( NHTSA ) 👁️
Sounds like you’re a Honda guy but but what are your opinions on reliability over the Mazda 2.5 NA 4 cyl. Besides Mazdas direct injection. Love to hear your option comparing both drivetrains. Thanks
I’m not very familiar with the Mazda 3 engine. I’ve heard great things. Yes I am a little bias with being a Honda fanboy, but you can’t go wrong with either car. The K series in this car has essentially been around for 20+ years now so I think it’s the safer route, but the Mazda engine has fantastic reviews, makes more power , and is more efficient.
@@NAUS2K your speaking my language with these new cars. I want something fun but without impending doom 70-100k later. I don’t want a CVT so everting is out but an old Toyota or the Mazda/civic. Mazda still makes a 6spd auto. Civc has more room, possibly better gas mileage. 1.5 has head gasket issues a turbo, fuel dilution and who knows what happens to the backs of the intake valves after 100k +miles. Mazda seems to have a reliable 2.5L engine but the GDI still worries me. The 2.0 is def the reliable way to go.
Your video makes the car look small. You would think you were driving a Honda Prelude or Del Del Sol instead of a four shopping sedan with a manual transmission. A direct injected fuel injection With a turbo charger. You might get to a 100,000 . Did you say you had double wishbone suspension with front a real sway bars?
Design wise it should be similar , so some of them may leak. However all of the type Rs are made in Japan so I’d say they probably are held to a higher level of QC than these lower trims
@@NAUS2K My 9th gen EX is the same- just the low and high temp icons. So I bought a Scan Gauge and it sits plugged into the OBD port so I get a constant temp readout for the coolant
@@NAUS2K I agree 100%. Subaru ruined the new WRX inside and out. The only positive was the 2.4L turbo motor. But all that plastic cladding on the exterior is awful. The interior is a hot mess too. No STi model and the GT is cvt only…..smh
@@wranglerlife4ever42 the wrx also gets horrible MPGs for a turbo 4 cylinder. I get that its standard awd and heavier than its competition (not by a lot though) but 22-24 mpg combined wont cut it for me for a daily, and gas prices in NY aren't getting any cheaper
i have the integra with the 1.5t albeit a little bit of more weight am able to consistently get 36+ mpg on freeway jaunts in NY, including hills and passing people most recent was 39.6 mpg over 45 miles maintaining 70-75 mph with adaptive cruise on I like to plan out passes and try to maintain throttle, but this can be applied to any other car
2700rpm is not lugging that engine. In the CVT it cruises at 2000 RPM at 70 and 2200 ish at 80mph. All modern cars in the auto versions aim to be sub 2000 rpm
Cvt is a whole different ballgame, they cruise at a low rpm and the trans can adjust the ratio any second when going up a hill or accelerating to get back to speed. If you left this car in 6th and the rpm dropped down around 2200 rpm or below, then had to pull a hill or accelerate back to speed, the engine would struggle and burn more fuel than if you downshifted to 5th and used less throttle
Ive watched all your videos and maybe I just didnt hear it but, does this sport manual have auto rev matching? edit: Just curious because I have only driven manual very briefly (test drove a 2004 civic and the salesman was attempting to teach me) and tbh maybe he was just a shitty instructor since he was yelling the entire time but I felt quite overwhelmed by the whole manual thing and kept stalling/never did any downshifting, just clutch in put it in neutral and brake. Still believe I want a manual but I have my concerns about the heel toe down shifting since I was struggling so much with just getting the car going/stopping. Im also assuming this has hill start assist?
Yes there is hill assist but no auto rev match down shifting. No need really to heel toe on the street. Just do a regular rev match downshift without being on the brakes. This car is actually one of the easiest manual cars I’ve driven. Very smooth. I have no doubts you’ll catch on quick
@@NAUS2KThanks for the response. I called like 10 local hondas today and most want at least 2k in accessories and/or markup the 6spd. The lowest OTD I got was right under $30k. Is this similar to what you paid?
Bought this car last week for 27400 + taxes, title and docs. It is crazy how some dealerships have the 2022 with 20k and even 30K at 28 , 29 and even above 30. Picked this one over the touring because of 4 cylinder 2.L (no turbo) no oil dilution problem and cheaper price. I cannot understand why they are making 3 cylinder engines now like the corolla gr for example. The only thing that I really do not like is not having a hand brake.
The GR Yaris/Corolla's 3 cylinder is so far able to handle a boatload of power, theres quite a few examples now with 400hp on stock ish internals but time will tell on how well they're built
It's probably the quietest civic, but both the Camry and accord are quieter and get in any Lexus from 1990 onward and it will be quieter than the quietest Honda or Acura
Experienced manual transmission drivers usually know when to change transmission based on the FEEL (speed/sound/vibration/etc), not the tach meter. If you're using the tach meter to know when to shift, you're thinking too much... Become one with the car. :D
Agree 100%, the thing you are not considering though is there is virtually zero vibrations, little to no noise, and no throttle feel in these modern manual cars
didn't like the new integra or an older si. besides, slower cars are more fum to drive. like the civic but it is so dark on the inside. manuals aren't everything.
That little bit about the climate control is the one thing that really ruins the driving experience of an otherwise excellent car. They need to go back on that. When you're going 70 miles an hour, to hell with form. Function is king.
I dont know I find the 24 same car has a bouncy ride. Maybe shipping blocks. The hatchback is ugly. The Sedan is sharp. The wheels probably are the cause unless they left the shipping blocks.
I appreciate the "real world" theme you achieved here BUT, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with the "need" to see the TACH. I could tell you when to shift blindfolded, as in, by listening to the engine itself. To each his own right?
Yes I agree with that for older Hondas that have more nvh and you can hear the engine clearly. These new cars are so refined though that when cruising along unless you turn the radio off and roll the windows up, you won’t hear what RPM you are at. The engine is very quiet
At least this poster seems to have his side mirrors adjusted correctly (properly angled outward) instead of the side of the car visible like 90% of people incorrectly adjust.
This car is a complete fail period has no power no VTech is super slow slower than an old jeep it's just reliable and fuel efficient that's it period and the front seats are small and I'm not big or fat I bare fit in them and the AC doesn't blow enough quality has gone down on Honda's
Guys I apologize about the dash screen not being picked up well with the camera. Next POV drive I do I’ll max out the brightness on the dash so you can see it better.
Really the best car there is for the money. A modern FIT. Keep us updated on any issues
the fit was still more versatile for space but for anyone looking for a more refined experience this is the clear way to go
It's like twice the size of a fit
Barf. It's modern Civic. Why in the name of God would you analogize it to something much small and cheaper and less famous anyway?
So glad I found this channel reviewing the 6MT 2.0L!
More vids to come!!!
Great video. Gives a real feeling as to what it is like to drive this car. Quieter and smoother highway cruiser than I had anticipated.
Thank You,
Ken
I have the same car, ‘23 Hatchback 6MT, except in white, and I love it! I bought it on 11/29/22 and now have almost 26,000 miles on it. I already subscribed and look forward to your content!
RPM 100% does affect fuel economy. I have found, shockingly, that the cube root of the ratio between rpm is an incredibly good approximation for the difference between fuel consumption, all other things being equal.
For example, if your car cruises at 2200 rpm at 60 mph at gets 40 MPG, if you downshift to a lower gear and instead cruise at 3000 rpm, your mpg will be reduced by a factor of cbrt(3000/2200) which would be 36 MPG.
10th Gen Civic Hatchback owner here - ordered my new 2018 LX (5 years ago) with a 6 speed, 1.5 turbo, love it. Have 87k on it now. The fun having the low rpm torque is a huge plus over the N/A engine. I just didn't want to give that up vs having to rev a N/A engine out a bit. I average 40 to 42 mpg at 70mph on the highway, about 35 in town. Your point about the tach and speedo readouts is right on! 10th gen has big digital mph readout which I love. My 10th gen MSRP was $19,900 and I bought it for $700 below MSRP back then ($19,200). I truly believe that if I don't "tune" the 1.5T engine (which I have no plans to do), it will last at least 250k miles. I think that little 1.5T engine is tough as nails because tuners are getting 250+hp out of them and they run them hard. Just drive it spirited, and the 1.5T will last a long time, just my 2 cents.
Hondamobilemechanic has a YT channel and has seen a lot of blown head gaskets on Accords with 1.5T but not Civics. Accord has more boost vs Civic. He also recommends higher octane fuel.
@@stevenr1354 ty for that information
I have 126,000 miles on my 2017 civic touring and it is averaging 41 mpg overall over the entire mileage. Most of my driving is highway though.
Thanks for the POV drive! I commented on your initial video about this car, and I decided to get one as well. Have a silver 2.0 liter with a 6 speed reserved. I got lucky, for me its the exact trim and color i wanted all for MSRP, so im OTD in the $29k range in PA. The car has been built and set to deliver in 1-3 weeks. Happy the car seems quiet on the highway, I was concerned about roadnoise when i drove a cvt sport sedan. I agree about the trip odometer, that's a pain. Although I honestly shift by sound, but this car seems pretty quiet. Really hoping I dont have the leaking hatch issue, but I appreciate you are documenting it and hopefully we have a known solution soon.
Did you order yours from the dealer?
Nice scenic drive. You drove past my old street I grew up on and my high school. Good luck on the hatch fix.
Totally agree on the split dash screen and how it would have been better to have tach on physical right gauge
There's probably bigger aftermarket sway bars, stiffer struts, and stiffer coil springs, like the Eibach that you get two choices of height lowering. I was not aware of the hatch leak problem. Good to know because I am still considering a Boost Blue Pearl Sport Hatchback if I don't opt for the HR-V Sport. I would rather have this N/A 2.0L over the 1.5L turbo any day. The detuned 2.0L turbo from the previous Accord would be a good thing to have for the Sport Touring or Si... Or maybe the Sport Touring should have the present Si version of the 1.5L turbo and the Si have the detuned 2.0L turbo.
But the Civic Sport Hatchback/Sedan is the best bang for the buck.
I think this car is a flashback to Hondas true origins, and it is for a reason. Only thing missing is analog or semi digital cluster that really would have sent us back to a full nostalgia. So this may be the very end of the line for Honda 6MT with multi-point and this is the last hurrah by be 2-3 years away before total EV w/3 cylinder engines are the only choice going forward.
We had a 1978 MT Civic hatch that I learned to drive, and a 2024 would be a good epilogue for me to finish out my car ownerships. The only thing that killed our 1978 Civic hatch was the Michigan rust, it otherwise ended the cars life way ahead of its intended time.
Congrats on getting the vehicle for msrp. Seems like every year the msrp price goes up. What's the ride height or ground clearance between your 8th gen civic and this new sport manual one? I would have loved if these modern cars still had a physical handbrake and didn't have that auto start stop since this is a manual. I agree with you, I might get one before this year ends because not sure how long Honda will produce the model you have in this video since the hybrid model will be available next year. Thanks for showing the road noise. My highway roads are just the same with those bumps.
I do agree with your points on the dash.
So in 2022 I bought a Corolla hatchback with a manual transmission because they were cheaper, had more features that I preferred, and was dual injection. Seeing now that the Civic Sport isn't just direct injection makes me regret my decision a bit. The most lacking thing in the Corolla is the cargo space; the Civic is huge in comparison! But one thing I'm really grateful for on the Corolla SE is that I have a fully analog guage cluster. I really didn't like the idea of the XSE having a fully digital one, so I don't think you're being too picky at all. I'm enjoying your Civic content, it's interesting learning now about the Sport 6MT, even if likely will never own one. But who knows, never say never!
Thanks for the comment man! Yeah if this civic dash was fully analog I wouldn’t mind one bit
I looked at Corolla Hatch in 2019, but went with a Fit EX MT6 at the time, because, even though Corolla is one class higher, Fit had more usable room!!
I've recently put a desposit down on a Civic Sport Hatch MT6 to *add* to my save-the-manuals collection.
I test drove the auto it felt a bit sluggish to me, I ordered the manual today it will be in @ October. How is the acceleration in the manual? One thing that really surprised me was how much room there is in the engine compartment. I did test drive the mazda 3 but after just sitting in the civic I was sold. It honestly is huge to me on the inside for how small the car is.
Check out my other videos on my cannel, I did another POV video where I do some more accelerations. Nothing full throttle yet so stay tuned for that. Car does just fine though, don’t expect it to be a quick car or anything but the manual is a lot more peppy than the cvt
Ive had the same car for about a month. It took forever to find one at MSRP. No leaks for myself luckily. Complaints: very tight clutch sonyou really hqve to work the stick into place. Definitely not smooth like a VW GTI Geared very low ... 1st gear is hardly even necessary. Close to 3000 rpm cruising at 70-75 on the highway. Pros: handles well. 36.2 mpg mostly highway miles in eco mode. Massive space with the hatch and seats down.
Wow 45mpg! Amazing... My 2023 HR-V has the K20Z5 2.0 liter, but only available with CVT. I do wish Honda had not eliminated the temp gauge. I agree with you about the trip meter. Please Honda, put the Accord trip meter in the civic! And do not eliminate manual tranny as others have done.
I drove one of these today & find your videos very helpful. Looks like I can get one for $28,250 OTD - $2k for my clapped out 2016 KIA Sorento with 212,000 & a failed cat. I like the 6 speed manual, multiple port FI, under stressed engine & overall look. Thx again
Enjoy it my friend!! Last of its breed
You were right, my local dealership cant get any more manual civic hatchbacks with the 2 L N/A engine.
I love this car. But the Sport does have quite a bit of road noise evident. It’s the tires.
You are correct about the MPG. Most of these cars can easily outperform their rated MPG. My 2019 Camry 2.5 avesrged 38.5 and kts rated for 33 average. My accord 2.0 turbo is rated for 28 and i get easily 32 average.
32? Dang that’s low. Was hoping for 36.
@@edgaryzen4925 32 out of a 2.0 turbo is actually the top end of the epa estimate
@@edgaryzen4925 I've had the car for almost a month. Almost all highway miles (1200 or so). I'm averaging 36.2 mpg in eco mode
Ehh idk. This car should be able to hit 40 HWY 100% of the time. Guess it just not for me. Respect for those who wants more than just high MPG
I love how unobtrusive the tech appears to be in this car. I haven't been a fan of what they've been doing lately, but this seems to be a decent balance of touchscreen vs button and dials
As someone who owned Toyotas my whole life, switched to an accord and the tech is absolutely worse than anything I've ever used. Firstly it's horribly unreliable. The safety systems shadow brake repeatedly so I turned off emergency braking entirely (but you have to turn it off every drive, it turns itself back on every time) and the lane assist can sometimes just not work. The infotainment literally deleted devices every few days from memory, so I have to repair my phone except you can only do it when stopped, so if you didn't notice, no pairing all drive yay! Either way, all I learned is Honda electronics are all looks and no reliability compared to Toyota.
@@singular9 damn, that sounds bad!
@@singular9 I have a 2021 Front Wheel Drive Mazda CX-5. You can completely deactivate the lane keep warnings and the shadow braking and they stay off when you re-start the car. It will also let you hit the gas and brake pedal simultaneously to correct for power understeer in the snow. I induced about 15 degrees of oversteer under braking and I felt zero intervention from the stability control. It seems like Mazdas might be the best choice for those of us who dislike intrusive tech in new cars!
@@singular9Yours must be a lemon, everyone I know with new Hondas loves them
You have some misconceptions about rpm, lugging, and mpg. If you break out a scan tool and monitor what the CVT version of this same car and any modern car with an electronic throttle body and automatic transmission (basically anything made after 2001) is doing, you will quickly find out that the ECU is applying 70-90% load on the engine as low as 1300 rpm in many cases. 80% load at 1500 rpm correlates to a throttle position absolute of about 20%. Just because you push the pedal down 20% of the way doesn't mean the engine is at 20% load, granted you have a car made after 2001 or so. When more power is requested, the ECU just tells the PCM to delay the shifts or initiate a downshift and allow higher rpm with the same torque to achieve higher power. There is a little bit of wiggle room, but it's all in the top 50-90% of the engine load range. The reason they do this is for fuel efficiency. And most of them you literally would not notice them doing this because they're designed for it. Most automatic cars made after 2015 or so very rarely operate under 50% engine load under regular driving conditions, and the only way to cause that to happen is to shift to neutral or to reduce the throttle input position to single digits while driving.
You seem concerned about lugging your engine on the highway, and I'm here to tell you that you shouldn't be. 6th gear in this car at regular highway speeds is just about guaranteed to be over 2000 rpm, and possibly over 3000 rpm if traveling faster than 80mph. While it wouldn't be the most efficient option, you can floor the accelerator in 6th gear with this K20C engine at 2000 rpm and you won't hurt it one bit. Dialing it back to 90% over 100% would be more efficient, but believe it or not, driving at full throttle in 6th gear is actually more efficient than creating the same amount of power with less torque in 5th gear, or 4th, or any of the lower gears. And that's a fact you can convince yourself of quite quickly by monitoring live data on a scan tool. There is absolutely no reason to be afraid of low-mid rpm and mid-high load scenarios on a modern, NA, port injected engine. On a direct injection only engine, you'd be doing the engine an yourself a favor by avoiding driving with the engine rpm in any of the dead zones where intake air and fuel don't mix very well. This is usually between 1500-2000 rpm but it can be a tad lower or higher depending on the design of the engine. On a turbo engine, especially a modern high compression one, you would want to avoid driving in boost at lower rpm, that's also good practice.
But in your case with your car, you would only benefit from making 6th gear your best friend above 35 mph or so for simple cruising. There isn't very much torque available in 6th gear at any given time, so you will need to downshift if you wanted to maintain speed up a steep hill or to accelerate quickly. Other than that, don't be afraid to lug your engine because unless you're near idle speed, you basically can't.
I’m waiting for the hybrid to see if I should buy that instead of the accord hybrid. Thanks for the video.
I couldn't find one (in manual) at the time and settled for an used (1 year) Subaru Impreza sport hatchback in manual. I saved over $6,000 for what the dealership wanted for an new Impreza. The more I drive it the more I appreciate the quality and handling of the Subaru. I still am jealous of your mpg and smoother shifting 6 speed over my 5 though. Thanks for the great review 🏹🤠👍.
I had a 2015 Impreza, but CVT, because I wanted adaptive cruise. Subaru *FINALLY* added manual transmission support to EyeSight in late 2023 (BRZ only), but now, the only manual cars they offer are BRZ and WRX. If they still had Crosstrek or Impreza with manual (and obviously EyeSight), I'd have bought one by now. Specifically, Impreza 2.5RS with manual + EyeSight would've been mine. Too bad for them, I'm going for a Civic, because of their stupid decisions.
Thanks for the video.
In the last 2 years. Price has gotten crazy. 26 months ago. I got my 21 hatch 6mt se. For 21 otd.
Looking forward to your take on things you don’t like. Agree with you on the instrument cluster. Things I most don’t like about my civic manual sport:
1. No auto dimming rearview mirror.
2. Lack of coolant temp gauge.
3. No sunglasses holder
No place for sunglasses is a big dislike of mine!!! However the regular rear view mirror doesn’t bother me
Thank you for posting quality content on the 2.0 Manual 11th gen! This is the closest I'll probably get to a test drive before ordering one, lol. There's so few of these cars out there. Even the sales staff I talked to at Honda dealers have had to look at their computers to confirm a 2.0 manual hatch even existed and could be ordered, haha. I'm also a fan of port injection as reputable direct injection motor walnut blasting costs a fortune and I don't want to risk chunks of carbon or walnut shells making it into my combustion chambers. I've also seen too many turbos blow on friends' cars on 3-5 year intervals, costing $5000-8000 to replace each time to order the turbo civics. Also I like the 158hp in this motor because then I can drive flat out, foot to the floor, in the first 3 gears without risking my license! I was watching the iihs crash tests for this car and there's a huge airbag in the center console to stop the driver and passenger from head butting each other during a T-boning accident! That's genius! My one concern with this car is the rev hang. Can I clutch in, upshift, and not have to count 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi,3 Mississippi before the revs drop enough to let out the clutch?
Thanks for the comment! Rev hang isn’t too bad, I think it’s less than the 1.5T civics. I’ll be putting up more videos and a better pov video with backroad spirited driving soon. Just need to find the time to get it all done. Stay tuned!
My trip meter is on the MPH side but mine is an automatic so not sure if the manual is different I would think it would be the same dash.
Here in the U.K. we only get the auto hybrid. I have a mid spec 2020 sr gen 10 manual which I love with 20,000 miles on. A gen 11 hybrid will cost me another £20,000 on top of mine. I wish we had the versions you have.
23 SI, best car I have ever owned! No oil dilution, no lack of heat on cold mornings, none of the you tube claims are true.
How many miles so far on it ?
9500 miles. 10 degrees many mornings lately. I was told I could start it but wouldn’t get any heat at all till I drove it for a few miles. All Bull! Warm and defrosted in 5 minutes, just idling. No oil dilution so far, and I check it often.
9:18 Absolutely not. 26.7 MPH / 1000 rpm is very conservative cruising gearing.
For reference, my 1994 Accord is at 25.9 MPH / 1000 rpm, which is effectively the same as this civic, and it simply does not lug at all once I get above 55 mph and it's happy to be floored even a 70 mph at 2700 rpm.
For another reference, the 2006 Honda Civic with the R18 and the 5 speed auto was doing 31.9 MPH / 1000 rpm and it gets into 5th gear even down at 45 MPH (which would be 1400 rpm with the torque converter locked) and it handles it fine. 2200 rpm at 70 mph. Of course that is a rather extreme example and there is no appreciable torque for acceleration in 5th gear on that Civic but it will cruise fine.
Also this same car with the CVT will do 38.5 MPH / 1000 rpm with the CVT which is 1800 rpm at 70 MPH ... and it also handles that fine. If you probe into the inner workings of the transmission logic on the CVT, it will comfortably run the engine at 93% load down as low as 1300 rpm at 50 MPH ... so no, you won't be lugging this car in 6th. You'd have to be pedal to the metal under 45 MPH to truly lug it in 6th.
With that turbo not there or the cvt. This car is so much more reliable now. Was think Jetta now I’m thinking this. Haven’t liked anything since my Prelude from 2001 but this car will definitely make me return to the brand again. On a side note, kinda surprised it has the stop/ start feature being manual.
Sweet car! I've always loved Hondas, i was considering this exact model but I ended getting a 2015 Acura TLX W/ Tech Package and 23,000 miles. It was either that or this exact car you got 0 miles. Prices differed slightly but something about that k24 paired to the double clutch 8 speed is what won me over immediately! The only downside is the tech is outdated compared to the civic... But everything else is a dream!
0:44 good ettiquette bro
Forget tach. You need to do exhaust upgrades to hear when to shift. 😊
Amen!
Was that Kingston you were coming up on? I was trying to zoom in on the signs but they weren't clear.
Yes this ride was from new paltz to Kingston
If you find out if your car’s struts are the same as the si, I have some si springs I might be able to let go of.
Enjoyed the video. I try to minimize my time looking down at screens while driving so trip odo issue doesn't bother me.
You can see the trip data on the center console display
Please explain
how's the ride of the car , is it as soft as the base model 2017 civic lx ? I had a civic lx manual 17 and it rode so comfortable, even absorbed bumps better than most crossover and SUV's !!
The great nys t way lol great clip your tolls at work
Cross shopping this and the 2023 mazda 3 manual. It now has 2.5L 191hp. I like the looks of the civic better tho, and the port injection. But for ~30k looks like mazda is more premium
Mazda 3 is a good buy as well. I think it is direct injected though (if that matters to you). I prefer the styling and interior room on the civic and the better fuel mileage. The civic is also a couple thousand less $$ if you get the Mazda 3 trim which offers the manual trans
Just bought the '24 Sport Touring hatch with MT. BOOST BLUE.... What Facebook group?
Thanks for the content man! I been looking at Civics and thinking about selling my 2018 JLU Rubicon and getting back into a car. I want n/a and manual, I wish they offered this in the LX. I wanted to ask if you ever worry about sidewalls of the tires being to short? Coming from a jeep I like the ride height and not worrying too much about pot holes.
The springs are so soft in this car it still soaks up bumps pretty well. The rear is almost too soft for my liking. I plan to throw some 17s with winter tires on it for when the potholes are snow covered !
@@NAUS2K Thanks for your reply. Is there any reason why Honda didn't put manual in the sedan :( I would love it if Honda gave all trims, engine and trans option.
Yeah it’s a shame, I’d rather have a sedan but I do like the front grill on the hatch better. Unfortunately Honda is solidly phasing manuals out on the lower level trims like everyone else
NS here!!! This is my dream car! Unfortunately, in n Puerto Rico, can't find a manual!!! Dealer wants me to buy auto! Says I, no thanks!!!
How is interior noise at highway speed?
Was thinking you might be able to put the FL5 type r coilovers and sway bars on this
I've looked into this and the suspension control arm architecture is very different on the Type R so you would probably have to change the entire front and rear subframes out too. I think the Type R seats should be plug and play though if you can find some in a totalled Type R!
What do you think of the Integra manual?
I think you're being a little critical on the trip meter thing. I've used my trip meter maybe once or twice to check fuel economy, otherwise it's never used. Would it be nice if it didn't hide the tach? Sure but it's not a big deal to me.
Nice to hear your perspective! My thoughts are that this whole layout is designed for the CVT owners (which makes sense since 99% of these cars are CVT). There is even an option to turn off the tach and just have the info displayed. CVT owners don’t care about the rpm , the computer will do it’s thing and they don’t have to worry. Just wish they did something different to make the manual model special
No such thing as maintenance free, and the L15 has shown to have issues, but there are also a lot od people who have 200k+ miles on their turbos withoit a single issue, and it all comes down to changing oil at every 5k miles and not the BS maintenance minder that tries ro push your oil change past 10k miles every time, and also not using 0w20 unless you are in the winter. The turbo engines will burn and degrade a lot of 0w20 oils so using 0w30 or 5w30 is prefered. Changing any transmission fluid is also important, liftime fluid doesnt exist, and CVTs like Manuals, should be done ebery 30k miles. On GDI turbo enginrs, you can just use CRC valve and turbo cleaner every 10-20k miles, its cheap and works really well. In the end, its about tamikg care of your car. The k20 will last longer, but you can make the L15 last a long time if you just do the maintenance needed.
Never said the L15 couldn’t last a long time, I’m sure it can. But you said it just now, the K20 will last longer! That was my point as well
I have a 2022 civic sedan with 30,000 miles on it and my Rack & pinion has steering issues the failures started at 12,000 miles so be careful with your precious hatchback ( NHTSA ) 👁️
Will keep an eye on it thank you
Does putting a premium gasoline instead of regular improve this engine performance , or does it not matter?
Thank you for your video. It is very good.
On the stock ECU, no it will just be a waste of money
@@NAUS2K Understood.
Thank you.
im willing to bet using non ethanol 91 octane will improve upon it since its port injected
Sounds like you’re a Honda guy but but what are your opinions on reliability over the Mazda 2.5 NA 4 cyl. Besides Mazdas direct injection. Love to hear your option comparing both drivetrains. Thanks
I’m not very familiar with the Mazda 3 engine. I’ve heard great things. Yes I am a little bias with being a Honda fanboy, but you can’t go wrong with either car. The K series in this car has essentially been around for 20+ years now so I think it’s the safer route, but the Mazda engine has fantastic reviews, makes more power , and is more efficient.
@@NAUS2K your speaking my language with these new cars. I want something fun but without impending doom 70-100k later. I don’t want a CVT so everting is out but an old Toyota or the Mazda/civic. Mazda still makes a 6spd auto. Civc has more room, possibly better gas mileage. 1.5 has head gasket issues a turbo, fuel dilution and who knows what happens to the backs of the intake valves after 100k +miles. Mazda seems to have a reliable 2.5L engine but the GDI still worries me. The 2.0 is def the reliable way to go.
I love Mazda. But I’m pretty sure all 2023 models have cylinder deactivation. Another thing to consider
Your video makes the car look small. You would think you were driving a Honda Prelude or Del Del Sol instead of a four shopping sedan with a manual transmission. A direct injected fuel injection With a turbo charger. You might get to a 100,000 . Did you say you had double wishbone suspension with front a real sway bars?
Does this car have heated seats and blind spot monitoring?
No it does not
@@NAUS2K those would be deal breakers unless they're available as options
Does the type r have the same leak issue?
Design wise it should be similar , so some of them may leak. However all of the type Rs are made in Japan so I’d say they probably are held to a higher level of QC than these lower trims
Interesting not having a coolant temp gauge. Odd. Is there anything in the digital menus that gives an option to monitor temp?
Nope, just a blue icon on the dash when the engine coolant is below a certain temp, then it turns off when the engine is to temp
@@NAUS2K thanks, good to know. Appreciate the info. 👍🏼
@@NAUS2K My 9th gen EX is the same- just the low and high temp icons. So I bought a Scan Gauge and it sits plugged into the OBD port so I get a constant temp readout for the coolant
You should be able to set your trip computer on the infotainment screen so that you don't need to have it inside your tach.
Would be nice, but seems this infotainment is fully isolated from the car
Where's the coolant gauge on the civic?
There is only a cold icon that appears and turns off, no gauge , I show this in my dislikes video , check it out on the channel !
I apologize if you’ve mentioned this already but any average mileage updates? Thanks
Averaging about 30 MPG for my first tank with this being the only highway driving. Mostly backroads and city driving to and from work
I know diehard Honda fanboy but you consider WRX? Being in NY awd, getting 100whp more power, and almost same price with discounts
The new wrx is an awfully designed car inside and out in my opinion
@@NAUS2K
I agree 100%. Subaru ruined the new WRX inside and out. The only positive was the 2.4L turbo motor. But all that plastic cladding on the exterior is awful. The interior is a hot mess too. No STi model and the GT is cvt only…..smh
@@wranglerlife4ever42 the wrx also gets horrible MPGs for a turbo 4 cylinder. I get that its standard awd and heavier than its competition (not by a lot though) but 22-24 mpg combined wont cut it for me for a daily, and gas prices in NY aren't getting any cheaper
Did you keep your old Civic by chance?
No I sold it in July 2023
How is the interior noise level compare to 8th gen?
Much quieter and more refined
I just wonder about the lifespan of the turbo. I'm trying to learn how to get more mpg with it.
This car does not have a turbo, I mention that a few times in the video
Plenty of people have 200k+ miles on their 1.5T and have been fine. This naturally aspirated engine is going to last even longer than that.
i have the integra with the 1.5t albeit a little bit of more weight
am able to consistently get 36+ mpg on freeway jaunts in NY, including hills and passing people
most recent was 39.6 mpg over 45 miles maintaining 70-75 mph with adaptive cruise on
I like to plan out passes and try to maintain throttle, but this can be applied to any other car
@@NAUS2K not your car, my sport touring has the 1.5t
@@ShaiyanHossain and you drive on normal or eco?
2700rpm is not lugging that engine. In the CVT it cruises at 2000 RPM at 70 and 2200 ish at 80mph. All modern cars in the auto versions aim to be sub 2000 rpm
Cvt is a whole different ballgame, they cruise at a low rpm and the trans can adjust the ratio any second when going up a hill or accelerating to get back to speed. If you left this car in 6th and the rpm dropped down around 2200 rpm or below, then had to pull a hill or accelerate back to speed, the engine would struggle and burn more fuel than if you downshifted to 5th and used less throttle
Naus, You are frightening me with words about possibly losing the manual transmission next year (2024).
It’s been confirmed it will stick around in 2024, no changes to the existing trim levels
I can sleep better tonight then. Thank you.@@NAUS2K
Regular gas is okay to use?
Yea I’ll never put anything more than 87 in it
Ive watched all your videos and maybe I just didnt hear it but, does this sport manual have auto rev matching?
edit: Just curious because I have only driven manual very briefly (test drove a 2004 civic and the salesman was attempting to teach me) and tbh maybe he was just a shitty instructor since he was yelling the entire time but I felt quite overwhelmed by the whole manual thing and kept stalling/never did any downshifting, just clutch in put it in neutral and brake. Still believe I want a manual but I have my concerns about the heel toe down shifting since I was struggling so much with just getting the car going/stopping. Im also assuming this has hill start assist?
Yes there is hill assist but no auto rev match down shifting. No need really to heel toe on the street. Just do a regular rev match downshift without being on the brakes. This car is actually one of the easiest manual cars I’ve driven. Very smooth. I have no doubts you’ll catch on quick
@@NAUS2KThanks for the response. I called like 10 local hondas today and most want at least 2k in accessories and/or markup the 6spd. The lowest OTD I got was right under $30k. Is this similar to what you paid?
My local Toyota has the Corolla Hatchback for MSRP and no accessories, but no 6spd. Not sure what to do haha
Yes unfortunately where I live in NY my tax rate is 8.125% so I get bent over pretty hard. I paid just over 30 out the door
@@NAUS2KI see. Thanks man!
Bought this car last week for 27400 + taxes, title and docs. It is crazy how some dealerships have the 2022 with 20k and even 30K at 28 , 29 and even above 30.
Picked this one over the touring because of 4 cylinder 2.L (no turbo) no oil dilution problem and cheaper price. I cannot understand why they are making 3 cylinder engines now like the corolla gr for example.
The only thing that I really do not like is not having a hand brake.
The GR Yaris/Corolla's 3 cylinder is so far able to handle a boatload of power, theres quite a few examples now with 400hp on stock ish internals but time will tell on how well they're built
Is the 2023 civic made in Japan?
Only the type r
@@NAUS2K where are the other trims made?
It's probably the quietest civic, but both the Camry and accord are quieter and get in any Lexus from 1990 onward and it will be quieter than the quietest Honda or Acura
I am awaiting the civic hybrid
they're taking too long to release it
i am SHOCKED that the gear difference between 5th and 6th is so little. almost don't see the point!
6th is an awesome highway only gear for better mpg. 5th is great for 50-60mph backroad cruising with also optimal mpg. I love it !
Experienced manual transmission drivers usually know when to change transmission based on the FEEL (speed/sound/vibration/etc), not the tach meter. If you're using the tach meter to know when to shift, you're thinking too much... Become one with the car. :D
Agree 100%, the thing you are not considering though is there is virtually zero vibrations, little to no noise, and no throttle feel in these modern manual cars
didn't like the new integra or an older si. besides, slower cars are more fum to drive. like the civic but it is so dark on the inside. manuals aren't everything.
Too bad they don’t offer lighter interior option. They also think everyone wants black headliner
That little bit about the climate control is the one thing that really ruins the driving experience of an otherwise excellent car. They need to go back on that. When you're going 70 miles an hour, to hell with form. Function is king.
I dont know I find the 24 same car has a bouncy ride. Maybe shipping blocks. The hatchback is ugly. The Sedan is sharp. The wheels probably are the cause unless they left the shipping blocks.
I appreciate the "real world" theme you achieved here BUT, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with the "need" to see the TACH. I could tell you when to shift blindfolded, as in, by listening to the engine itself. To each his own right?
Yes I agree with that for older Hondas that have more nvh and you can hear the engine clearly. These new cars are so refined though that when cruising along unless you turn the radio off and roll the windows up, you won’t hear what RPM you are at. The engine is very quiet
Hand calculate or not legit.
Check out my more recent video of mpg test where I do in fact manaually calculate it. Results may surprise you
stabilize that head cam, I'm getting seasick
Im falling asleep watching this
Enjoy your video a lot. Is there an email address that can reach you?
You can message me on Instagram @naus2k_
I know I’m nit picking but, not giving this model a blind spot monitoring option in 2023, is inexcusable.
Never needed it before.
At least this poster seems to have his side mirrors adjusted correctly (properly angled outward) instead of the side of the car visible like 90% of people incorrectly adjust.
you are whats wrong with the industry
i mean its nice to have, and what bugs me is that the Sport Hatch costs considerably more for this spec than it did for 10th gen too
The Sport Touring trim has it at least.
I needed to replace my car, so I settled for a sport cvt. Miserable.
Anyone ever converted their civic to awd? Give me a shout
Why, fwd is perfectly fine for a economical commuter
@@NAUS2K i think it’d be a little more fun
Awd isn’t that fun, rwd is fun!
This car just needs a real handbrake and a better sound system.
Totally agree on the handbrake, though I don’t mind the sound system
Your freeway concrete transitions are so annoying. Is it always like that?
Welcome to NY lol, this is the smoothest highway road we have in the area
I can't wait to buy this new for $36,000 🤡
This car is a complete fail period has no power no VTech is super slow slower than an old jeep it's just reliable and fuel efficient that's it period and the front seats are small and I'm not big or fat I bare fit in them and the AC doesn't blow enough quality has gone down on Honda's
Well if you buy this car expecting it to be fast that’s your first mistake!
I like mine. It’s awesome. But then I’ve been a truck guy. So this car seems awesome to me lol. Love the handling and 6MT.
@@NAUS2Kexactly
All you need to do is to downshift a gear or 2 then you be fine.. it's not an automatic Bubba Get It Got It Good Luck 🤔