It’s a shame that manual transmissions are dying out. One of the last things in cars that aren’t controlled by a million computers. Seriously, the driver doesn’t even control the car anymore. They control computers that control the car. It’s just not the same.
As an owner of a 2023 Boost Blue, Sport Hatch Manual. I wasted no time on doing a few bolt on's and am now one of the first "Tuned" via KTuner V2. The car stock long term is bar none the way to go. Although, I've never seen good luck with the whole "Header with Cats" work out after 140k usually.. I have worked for the Honda brand in sales for many years, and been an avid long time owner and fixer upper of the 90's models. This car and models checks every single box of Simple, affordable, and longevity you'd want if you could buy a 96-2000 Civic EX. We have Port Fuel Injection (Only powertrain left with that, everything else is DI) We have VTEC, A manual. Power locks and Windows. Hell, bring your charge cord and you get Apple CarPlay and Android Auto... without the crazy other things of the radios that ALWAYS go wrong. The amount of design apples to apples with the K20C1 (Type R) and Formula 4 dependency. Trust me, having access to the parts department, I know a ton of crossover parts. We have an AMAZING HPD accessory kit that adds a Mid rise spoiler (PAINT MATCHED FROM HONDA IN THE BOX) Badging, mats, and just so much more. If you want the BEST 10 year investment, buy this. Everyone always wishes they could buy a "new" DC2 or DC4 Integra, Civic Coupe or Sedan new. Seriously, buy this. I love my Civic, I love selling the brand, and Honda absolutely outdid themselves with the simplest of trims. My mods: RV6 Header / High Flow Cat (Direct bolt on and uses factory 02 Sensors) PRL HVI Air Intake Full FunctionWerk Dual Exhaust (Seriously worth every penny. ZERO Drone at cruising even 80+ mph) KTuner V2 (Our 23's MANUALS are AB1 ECU's which they didn't support just a month ago and I had to upload my personal data to them) Kinda cool honestly lol. The tune completely eliminated the occasional Emissions CEL I'd get on and off, and no joke, my MPG is better than Stock... I'm averaging 38-40 @ 70mph. It legit feels, runs, and snaps along like a stock 06-08 Si or RSX Type S. Just without the 8-8500 rpm lol. I haven't pushed it past the 7k mark as I don't have enough research to know the limits of the oil pump and such. In the end, I completely agree with this review you did and it's the first one I've seen of yours. Great job!
AKDPerformance is also making stuff for the K20C2. From porting the K20C1 oil pump to C2, exhaust camshaft and fuel rail. He's also trying to do a bespoke awd manual transmission for the C2.
you pushed me over the edge Zack, saw a Sport Manual coming at a local dealer... put in a deposit and not looking back. Manual, non-turbo for just simple everyday driving with massive peace of mind, no frills (but nice) upgrades.
@@NAUS2K That’s actually a pretty great deal considering how $28k Civic Si’s are hard to find at MSRP and Manual Integra’s are still $35K even when sold at $2,000 under sticker. Congrats on your smart choice!
keep in mind that the Si is not NA, 2.0 na vs 1.5 turbo The si has ~50 more hp but will require premium gas for that performance on the turbo… forcing More Work out of a Smaller Engine the choice is pretty straightforward to me but that’s just me, already had a bad experience on a turbo changed car
ANother great thing about the 2 liter is that it isnt direct injected but port injected so your valves are cleaner and you dont have to worry about carbon buildup in the monifolds, and a k powered motor. Its such a reliable platform itll outlast any 1.5t
Thank you Zach for reviewing this trim level with the manual. So many reviewers skip out on this model for the sport touring. I'd imagine this engine with the manual will last decades without many issues. If I were buying a new car this is what I'd buy as well!
For that reason, I didn't even know this car existed! This exact car has rocketed to the top of my wish list. Maybe not in this color...but, honestly, I'd take it in any color if I could get my hands on one.
I had to hassle a dozen dealers in SoCal for months to finally get my hands on one of these - when I finally found one at a fairly honest place, I had to pre-order and wait. Lucked out with a Rallye Red one. People would buy these 6MT's like crazy if Honda only made them more widely available. Instead, they'll build 1 for every 100 CVTs, dealers will gouge anyone with the wherewithal to try to buy one, then cite some sad statistic about how take rate on them was 1% as the reason for nixing the manual in a model year or two. It's wild how what just a few ago would've passed for a lowly economy feels like a future classic! Thanks for reviewing this one, Zach! You're the only one who's paid any attention to this secretly special Civic!
I bought a 22 6-speed Corolla hatchback because it was more affordable, offered the iMT (I was learning to drive stick when I bought it), and the engine was dual injection. I find myself thinking about my needs in the future and wanting additional space, like when I start a family, will the Corolla hatch be big enough for a rear facing carseat? Or to haul kid stuff? For now, I'm really enjoying the Corolla hatch since I'm technically still single and rarely have passengers. However, I like knowing that the Honda Civic is still available with a naturally aspirated engine and manual transmission. If I ever need a bigger car, I think the Civic would be my top pick. It seems comparable to small a CUV in passenger and cargo space, but you still get to have fun with it.
@@areallytallguy yeah probably not, but for now it suits my needs. I live alone with two cats and rarely have any passengers lol, so I don't need the extra space now. I'm sure all that stuff is years off anyways.
@@areallytallguy EXACTLY. IMO It is not a good car to start a family nor future proofing. NOT SAYING the owner you just responded made a bad buy on his part (it is actually worth it for the time being) but at the same time it is important to understand that Corolla is not even close to be an ideal family car even though it intended to be on Toyota Plaform.
The Civic hatchback with the 2.0L K20C2 NA engine and a 6MT in the 11th generation model is the best choice for long-term reliability. Proven K20 engine family that has a timing chain, and the lack of a high-pressure fuel pump, lack of a turbo, port injection that will prevent carbon deposits on intake valves, and lack of oil dilution issues make it the top pick. It looks great. Do you know if the Sport Touring wheels fit on the base model? In Canada, the base model comes with the 16 inch wheels rather than the better looking five twin-spoke wheels. I wish they kept the K20C2 with the 6MT and the sedan.
Something is amiss here. I've been interested in Civic Hatchback 2.0L NA MT6 for a while now, because of its port injection only engine, and I definitely saw that spec at Honda's own site. But I just noticed their latest specs list them as Direct Injection! But that makes zero sense to me because that same engine used in HR-V is still listed as Multi-Point Fuel Injection at Honda's own site. And they have the same specs (Displacement, Horsepower, Torque, Redline, Bore and Stroke). I highly doubt Honda switched to Direction Injection just for the Civic version of the engine. Is this possible!? Without changing any power numbers!? The 2.0NA engine they're using in the hybrids are Direct Injection, but they have different specs, including slightly smaller displacement (1993 cc vs. 1996 cc). This makes absolutely no sense to me!
Yes!!! glad you did another review on this car. I watched your 2022 sport manual review of the boost blue one 10+ times. I think this is my next daily i just need to locate one. I wanted an Si but they keep decreasing the headroom and at 6'3" my head hits the new Si headliner in normal seating position. Such a shame. Wish the sunroof was an option on it.
Hello Zach and all! I had a 2017 Honda Civic Sport 2.0 manual 6 speed. I traded it for the 2021 Toyota Corolla Apex 2.0 6 speed manual. I then traded the Apex Corolla for a 2016 Toyota 4Runner. The Apex Corolla does not even compare to the 2017 Civic Sport I had or this new one that Zach has here. I was getting 39-43mpg city/hwy with a/c on at times too! The only reason I traded the Civic for the Corolla is because I wanted to see how the two compared. The Corolla never got over 35mpg and that was Hwy miles too! Don't get me wrong the Corolla was a great car just not as roomy either. I like the 2023 Type R a lot however I am not a fan of the direct injected 2.0 turbo that is in it. I really believe the Honda 2.0 Sport 6 speed is the more reliable across the board and I am going to order me a brand new one through the Costco Auto program and maybe save about $2k under MSRP.
I would have 110% gotten a Honda Civic Hatchback Sport Manual for the reliability, practicality, and feeling of the transmission, if I didn't live up here in the North where we get tons of snow, and therefore need the ground clearance and AWD that the Crosstrek offers. I am really thankful that the Canadian market offers a Sport trim MANUAL Crosstrek with almost all of the American Limited trim's luxury items, such as heated; seats, steering wheel, side mirrors and rear window, a sunroof, steering-responsive LED headlights, power-adjustable driver's seat, etc. Going from a manual 2014 Mazda3 however, I can say that I really miss the feeling of the 1 to 1 connection between the driver and the car that the manual transmission gave me.
Just put my deposit down on a 2023 and boost blue six speed manual and pick it up in two weeks. Can’t wait! I’ve had a 97 with a five speed and I had a 2000 with a five speed.
I just recently got a 2022 civic sport hatchback, and I asked the dealer multiple times about it coming in a manual, but every single time I asked they told me that Honda doesn’t make a civic with a manual unless it’s an Si or a Type R. I had seen multiple but didn’t press the issue with them
It is extremely common for car dealers having very little or completely incorrect information about the vehicles that they sell and are supposed to be experts about.
@@tpolerex7282 What do they do in their spare time? Good sales people should know more about their products and good managers would make sure that they did!
I have a VW Jetta 5 speed manual transmission. I love it. At the dealership, I had to sign a disclaimer acknowledging I was buying a manual transmission car. Lol
Great to see a review of the Sport 2.0 Most channels just review the Sport Touring with the 1.5 and give no mention of wonderful K series motor in the Sport. The K series motor matted to a 5 speed manual in my 2005 CRV is still pulling strong. This what Hondas have historically been.
you are totally correct to emphasise the value of the 2 liter combined with the manual. I had a 2001 civic coupe for sixteen years. when I sold it the engine and gearbox were still almost feeling as new! it gave me almost no problems. CVT is rubbish and a con. It has to be repaired much more often , lasts less than half as long, drives like a drone, and is less economical when factoring in repair costs. they make it cos its cheaper to make, but still charge full price for the car.
I love your enthusiasm and language in your reviews. It feels well presented, written, and shows a lot of thought in your reviews. This video and the older Corolla Hatchback 6MT helped me decide on a practical manual vehicle. I ended up picking up a used 2022 Corolla Hatchback 6MT a few months ago, thanks!
I hope I'm wrong, but I fully expect the manual transmission to go away at the mid-cycle refresh and only be available on the Si and Type R. Just like they did with the last generation Accord.
I just traded in my 2023 Mazda3 2.5 S Select Sedan (Auto) for a 2024 Honda Civic Hatchback Sport (Manual). I was cross shopping between the Mazda3 Premium (Manual) and the Honda Civic Hatchback Sport (Manual). The Mazda3 had around a $3500 higher MSRP, than the Civic. I don't care for leather/heated seats, sunroof, or a Bose sound system. I'm satisfied with my purchase and wish I would've purchased it last year, instead of the Mazda3.
Would have been nice to see you actually drive the car so we can get a feel for the 2.0L and 6MT combo, hear the engine and see how the shifts sound regarding rev hang.
I own a 22 Civic hatch with the 2.0 L and a 6 sp and love it. Easy to drive and no issues at all. It could use more power I suppose but for an everyday car, I think it is great.
@@takumisato7126 Gas mileage is about 25-30mpg around town, definitely worse than my CVT but since I put an intake on and my gas pedal became a volume slider for my engine it has gone down significantly haha. It is a 6MT
I would prefer just plain black seats instead of the gray stripes design they went with. Otherwise, if I were looking for a car at this time, this would be near the top choice for me.
Have a 19 civic hatch sp touring 6sp. Fit 3 ppl and a mountain bike inside. No oil dilution prob. If ppl don't buy manuals anymore. They won't be available. Thx Honda for keeping this puppy
Sadly the Civic is one size too small for me (more for spec than for room - I prefer more features, better trim) Kudos for the spare tire and a hatchback for functionality. Was totally bummed when Honda chucked the manual Accord for 2021. I remember back when there was a plethora of stick shift sedans, usually the more interesting models - I started buying them with a 91 SHO, and I'm hanging onto the older 5 series / finally starting to think about some light engine mods since there be no replacement even as the primary dd gets switched out every couple of years.
Today, the Civic 2.0 is the only new car I'd recommend. Even its brake feel alone is enough to make me falling in love with its driving experience! But, I only want a manual sedan with NA engine w/o direct injection? Looks like I have to transplant this hatch‘s drivetrain into a Civic LX sedan, because I want light-color fabric & comfy 16" wheels. & hatch's rear visibility (including 11th-gen Civic) is too narrow for convenient/safe passing. No wonder I collected a 2000 Civic hatch with Double Wishbones all around, & only the hatch of the 1992-2000 Civic's offer “decently wide rear visibility”. Nevertheless, my favorite Civic is the manual 1998 Acura 1.6 EL sedan w/ VTEC, ABS, fabric interior but no moonroof.
I have the AWD automatic Mazda3 and I’m considering getting rid of it for this Civic. Nothing wrong with the Mazda at all. With AWD it’s extremely competent in the dry and sure footed in heavy rain (haven’t experienced snow) especially since I upgraded the tires. I just miss driving a simple manual car. Keep in mind, for the Mazda3 you can only get the manual in the Premium trim which sits just below the turbo.
This is the car I originally wanted but between availability and the markups I had to go with an Subaru Impreza sport hatchback in manual. The more I drive it though, the more I love it. With the rear seats down it has more cargo space than this civic. I still would prefer the civic but I am now saddled with the impreza which really isn't bad. Thanks Zech for the review.....🏹🤠👍
Where did you get it, how long did you have to wait, and did you get it for MSRP? This is the exact car im looking for down to the color. Silver is the easiest to maintain by far.
@@NAUS2KHonda City in Chicago (you can see the license plate brackets). Paid MSRP - no market adjustments. I live out in suburbs and they delivered the car and drove off with my trade-in (2002 Accord)
No way we just bought a black one of these from the same dealer a month ago, it just hit break in miles. It’s got all the same stuck on crap that they tried charging 2k for
thanks. I see so many reviews that whitewash the cvt, which is an awful transmission, and those ridiculous tiny engines under so much pressure with the turbos. They are a minefield of problems.
I have a 2023 Sport 6speed manual and it is the absolute tits. I love it. Amazing features, handling, mpg's, mature looks, and still fun to drive with the manual...just a total win.
The ride is bouncy as hell though.😊 you can pull 6s on the 2.0 cvt. 7 to 8s easily. Using the gas pedal is a art. The cvt is good except a little lag if you chose to coast in sport or eco. The sedan is nicer looking.
Zach P., And another awesome thing about the K20C2 engine is that it has port injection, not direct injection!! Intake valve carbon build up is non-existent on this engine. When I do look around for cars, the priority of criteria must include either port injection only or port and direct injection as a secondary, ie/eg; Toyota D-4S and the newer Ford 'dual-fuel' system. Hyundai/Kia has finally got their big boy britches on, finally, and offered both. I will never own a car that has only direct injection. That is a formula for headaches and additional costs to the owner that is avoidable. People need to speak up more with their wallets. but choose not to. There are plenty of good-looking cars out there, but as soon as I see 'GDI' or 'direct injection',.....heck, even if it is both port and direct injection......anywhere in the description......I run away and never look back. I am always happy to give up more horsepower for reliability and durability every day of the week. I am whole-heartedly set on this. The other three trims for the civic hatchback misses due to the combination of features. The 1.5 is a miss because of the direct injection. The other trim with the 2.0 liter engine misses because of the CVT garbage. The only reason I could only ever choose this civic hatchback 'Sport' trim is due to the N/A engine and manual 'standard' transmission (aka: clutch pedal for all those kids that have never heard of a clutch pedal). Yes, the standard transmission is considered an 'anti-theft device' and I am glad they exist. There needs to be way more of these standard transmissions and, in most other countries 'OCONUS': Outside CONtinental United States), they do exist in vast numbers in comparison to the USA. Jokingly, (note that I am emphasizing the word 'jokingly'), the 'drivers' that are 'able' to, but choose not to, drive a standard transmissions are the ones that their parents didn't love them enough to take the time to teach them to do so. I'll go a step back farther and 'date' myself. My first vehicle had a three-on-the-tree manual transmission. That was a '68 Ford F100. Fuel tank behind the bench seat. Great place for a gas tank, right? That truck is what I learned how to drive a standard transmission on. Not on the floor, but on the steering column. 2nd car: '81 Datsun 210 with 4-on-the-floor tranny. 3rd car: '77 Toyota Celica 5-speed (1st gen Celica). 4th (and last RWD I owned): '91 Nissan 240SX 5-speed hatchback. It had the KA24E engine (SOHC). Nothing special. This civic Sport hatchback has just enough 'bells and whistles' to keep me happy and content. I love the 'bulbous' hatch area and think it is one of its best features. Excellent review of this car. I appreciate you taking your time to record and post it.
You forgot to include the Nissan versa, which has a naturally aspirated, 1.6 L four-cylinder, and a five speed manual transmission. And the 1.5 turbo doesn’t make 201 hp. I think you’re mixing up numbers between the SI and the Type R.
This car taking regular 89 octane is a HUGE win despite the aesthetic flaws. You need to get to work, be reliable, and do it again all over the next day in comfort. I would not say they will delete the MT for 2024, but I would say a 2 year window as production line for just a brief stint is not cost effective. I would say by 2026 yes the MT may be out for good.......but that may depend on sales.
Camera angle, don’t worry! I thought the same when I first started filming like this but I ran some tests with my own car and normal cornering looks like that from the camera angle
i have a 22, virtually identical to this one. but tuned with some bolt-ons. want to turbo it someday. i don't care if it's dumb and i should just buy an si. I honestly believe a turbo'd k20c2 will be more reliable (and i want a hatchback) "buy a type R" okay bud anyway, it's too bad this version of the civic with a manual is discontinued and the new k20c9 has an even lazier 150hp tune and it's not gonna get the support the C2 did
Excellent review on one of the most reliable brands available. This particular model with the 2.0 normally aspirated engine paired with a 6-speed manual is the way to go for longevity, which is what I purchased back in late 2022. Love everything about this model except for the auto stop/start feature which you are forced to disengage each time you start the car. Can't wait for a hack to permanently remove that feature. Looking forward to many years of trouble-free motoring.
Nice review, You have great presentation skills. Your voice is charismatic. This car sounds as good as it looks. Real world reported mpg are a bit lower than I would expect but the civic has grown in size. As for cvt's, I've owned Having owned 2 subaru outbacks , I'm never am heavy on throttle it feels solid and locked up tight. CVT doesn't annoy me at all. I expect Honda would be the same in their cvt.
Just bought one and for no turbo, it's still sporty and fun but needs to keep the rpms above 4k to have any power. Almost as fun as the old GTI I used to have but should be way more reliable. Got it for 1k under msrp and 3.9% for 48 months. Only took 6 hours of negotiations 😠...
I get the feeling that the Civic is the last Honda where the company still cares about enthusiasts. It would be perfectly in line with their competitors and it would save money to discontinue the manual but they keep it because Civic buyers want a manual. I'm not the biggest fan of Honda but the current Civic looks good. The last Civic was a little too original Fast & Furious. If I was in the market for a sedan one of these with a manual would be on my list. To me, a VW Golf is a hatchback. I consider hatchbacks to have a vertical back end. I'd consider this a liftback sedan.
I can't really blame car companies for ignoring enthusiasts. Sales just don't justify themselves and the enthusiast always complain about everything. The money just isn't there outside a few well established cars that have reached mainstream status.
A Liftback sedan is like the manual Acura Integra, BMW 4-series Gran Coupe, and Kia Stinger. This manual Honda Civic Hatchback is more like a wagon in terms of dimensions akin to the 1990’s Toyota Camry Wagon and Honda Accord Wagon.
From what I know there were some that did, and there was a recall. I have had this exact car for 12,000 miles now in the north east and havn't had leaking issues. That's through fall, winter, and, spring now
It’s a shame that manual transmissions are dying out. One of the last things in cars that aren’t controlled by a million computers. Seriously, the driver doesn’t even control the car anymore. They control computers that control the car. It’s just not the same.
Have you ever tried shifting a EV?
Sure sounds funny to me.
Manual🕹⚰😣
As an owner of a 2023 Boost Blue, Sport Hatch Manual. I wasted no time on doing a few bolt on's and am now one of the first "Tuned" via KTuner V2. The car stock long term is bar none the way to go. Although, I've never seen good luck with the whole "Header with Cats" work out after 140k usually.. I have worked for the Honda brand in sales for many years, and been an avid long time owner and fixer upper of the 90's models. This car and models checks every single box of Simple, affordable, and longevity you'd want if you could buy a 96-2000 Civic EX. We have Port Fuel Injection (Only powertrain left with that, everything else is DI) We have VTEC, A manual. Power locks and Windows. Hell, bring your charge cord and you get Apple CarPlay and Android Auto... without the crazy other things of the radios that ALWAYS go wrong. The amount of design apples to apples with the K20C1 (Type R) and Formula 4 dependency. Trust me, having access to the parts department, I know a ton of crossover parts. We have an AMAZING HPD accessory kit that adds a Mid rise spoiler (PAINT MATCHED FROM HONDA IN THE BOX) Badging, mats, and just so much more. If you want the BEST 10 year investment, buy this. Everyone always wishes they could buy a "new" DC2 or DC4 Integra, Civic Coupe or Sedan new. Seriously, buy this. I love my Civic, I love selling the brand, and Honda absolutely outdid themselves with the simplest of trims.
My mods:
RV6 Header / High Flow Cat (Direct bolt on and uses factory 02 Sensors)
PRL HVI Air Intake
Full FunctionWerk Dual Exhaust (Seriously worth every penny. ZERO Drone at cruising even 80+ mph)
KTuner V2 (Our 23's MANUALS are AB1 ECU's which they didn't support just a month ago and I had to upload my personal data to them) Kinda cool honestly lol.
The tune completely eliminated the occasional Emissions CEL I'd get on and off, and no joke, my MPG is better than Stock... I'm averaging 38-40 @ 70mph.
It legit feels, runs, and snaps along like a stock 06-08 Si or RSX Type S. Just without the 8-8500 rpm lol. I haven't pushed it past the 7k mark as I don't have enough research to know the limits of the oil pump and such.
In the end, I completely agree with this review you did and it's the first one I've seen of yours. Great job!
Thanks for the detailed comment, great points . I just got this car as well and am putting up many videos of it
Where’s your car? Instagram?
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AKDPerformance is also making stuff for the K20C2. From porting the K20C1 oil pump to C2, exhaust camshaft and fuel rail. He's also trying to do a bespoke awd manual transmission for the C2.
Can we pin this comment bc I’d love to follow this route when I get this civic
you pushed me over the edge Zack, saw a Sport Manual coming at a local dealer... put in a deposit and not looking back. Manual, non-turbo for just simple everyday driving with massive peace of mind, no frills (but nice) upgrades.
Same, just picked mine up last week!
How much is the MSRP?
@@SilverScarletSpider I got a sonic gray pearl one. After delivery and paint upcharge it was 27,400
@@NAUS2K That’s actually a pretty great deal considering how $28k Civic Si’s are hard to find at MSRP and Manual Integra’s are still $35K even when sold at $2,000 under sticker. Congrats on your smart choice!
keep in mind that the Si is not NA,
2.0 na vs 1.5 turbo
The si has ~50 more hp but will require premium gas for that performance on the turbo… forcing More Work out of a Smaller Engine the choice is pretty straightforward to me but that’s just me, already had a bad experience on a turbo changed car
Another good reason to make a additional video.
People who did buy a 22 model, still like watching new material. Nothing like validating our choices.
Yep
ANother great thing about the 2 liter is that it isnt direct injected but port injected so your valves are cleaner and you dont have to worry about carbon buildup in the monifolds, and a k powered motor. Its such a reliable platform itll outlast any 1.5t
Thank you Zach for reviewing this trim level with the manual. So many reviewers skip out on this model for the sport touring. I'd imagine this engine with the manual will last decades without many issues. If I were buying a new car this is what I'd buy as well!
selling my old corvette for 1 of these.
For that reason, I didn't even know this car existed! This exact car has rocketed to the top of my wish list. Maybe not in this color...but, honestly, I'd take it in any color if I could get my hands on one.
I had to hassle a dozen dealers in SoCal for months to finally get my hands on one of these - when I finally found one at a fairly honest place, I had to pre-order and wait. Lucked out with a Rallye Red one. People would buy these 6MT's like crazy if Honda only made them more widely available. Instead, they'll build 1 for every 100 CVTs, dealers will gouge anyone with the wherewithal to try to buy one, then cite some sad statistic about how take rate on them was 1% as the reason for nixing the manual in a model year or two. It's wild how what just a few ago would've passed for a lowly economy feels like a future classic! Thanks for reviewing this one, Zach! You're the only one who's paid any attention to this secretly special Civic!
I bought a 22 6-speed Corolla hatchback because it was more affordable, offered the iMT (I was learning to drive stick when I bought it), and the engine was dual injection. I find myself thinking about my needs in the future and wanting additional space, like when I start a family, will the Corolla hatch be big enough for a rear facing carseat? Or to haul kid stuff? For now, I'm really enjoying the Corolla hatch since I'm technically still single and rarely have passengers. However, I like knowing that the Honda Civic is still available with a naturally aspirated engine and manual transmission. If I ever need a bigger car, I think the Civic would be my top pick. It seems comparable to small a CUV in passenger and cargo space, but you still get to have fun with it.
Corolla hatch doesn’t have the room you’re looking for. The hatchback has a laughable amount of space in the back/cargo area.
@@areallytallguy yeah probably not, but for now it suits my needs. I live alone with two cats and rarely have any passengers lol, so I don't need the extra space now. I'm sure all that stuff is years off anyways.
@@areallytallguy EXACTLY. IMO It is not a good car to start a family nor future proofing. NOT SAYING the owner you just responded made a bad buy on his part (it is actually worth it for the time being) but at the same time it is important to understand that Corolla is not even close to be an ideal family car even though it intended to be on Toyota Plaform.
i understand. simply enjoy your car as much as you can. Don’t worry about the future. Worry about today :)
@@areallytallguy my impreza actually has more cargo space than this civic, "once" you fold the rear seats down.
The Civic hatchback with the 2.0L K20C2 NA engine and a 6MT in the 11th generation model is the best choice for long-term reliability. Proven K20 engine family that has a timing chain, and the lack of a high-pressure fuel pump, lack of a turbo, port injection that will prevent carbon deposits on intake valves, and lack of oil dilution issues make it the top pick. It looks great. Do you know if the Sport Touring wheels fit on the base model? In Canada, the base model comes with the 16 inch wheels rather than the better looking five twin-spoke wheels. I wish they kept the K20C2 with the 6MT and the sedan.
All the specs online say this k20c2 is direct injected like the 1.5T. I’d assume It has the cam driven high pressure fuel pump too then ?
It is port injected. Regular fuel pump
Something is amiss here. I've been interested in Civic Hatchback 2.0L NA MT6 for a while now, because of its port injection only engine, and I definitely saw that spec at Honda's own site.
But I just noticed their latest specs list them as Direct Injection! But that makes zero sense to me because that same engine used in HR-V is still listed as Multi-Point Fuel Injection at Honda's own site. And they have the same specs (Displacement, Horsepower, Torque, Redline, Bore and Stroke). I highly doubt Honda switched to Direction Injection just for the Civic version of the engine. Is this possible!? Without changing any power numbers!? The 2.0NA engine they're using in the hybrids are Direct Injection, but they have different specs, including slightly smaller displacement (1993 cc vs. 1996 cc). This makes absolutely no sense to me!
I own a Civic with the same engine. It is still port injected
@@shahrukhbakar3248 What year civic though? is it a 22-23?
Yes!!! glad you did another review on this car. I watched your 2022 sport manual review of the boost blue one 10+ times. I think this is my next daily i just need to locate one. I wanted an Si but they keep decreasing the headroom and at 6'3" my head hits the new Si headliner in normal seating position. Such a shame. Wish the sunroof was an option on it.
And I wish the SI didn't have the red insert seats. They do not work well with Orange exterior !
That one is mine! If you're interested in buying let me know. has 13k miles on it now.
@@thevduber reason for selling? i actually just picked up this car in sonic gray the other day
@@NAUS2K Getting a M2
@TheVduber baller but looks 😢
Hello Zach and all! I had a 2017 Honda Civic Sport 2.0 manual 6 speed. I traded it for the 2021 Toyota Corolla Apex 2.0 6 speed manual. I then traded the Apex Corolla for a 2016 Toyota 4Runner. The Apex Corolla does not even compare to the 2017 Civic Sport I had or this new one that Zach has here. I was getting 39-43mpg city/hwy with a/c on at times too! The only reason I traded the Civic for the Corolla is because I wanted to see how the two compared. The Corolla never got over 35mpg and that was Hwy miles too! Don't get me wrong the Corolla was a great car just not as roomy either. I like the 2023 Type R a lot however I am not a fan of the direct injected 2.0 turbo that is in it. I really believe the Honda 2.0 Sport 6 speed is the more reliable across the board and I am going to order me a brand new one through the Costco Auto program and maybe save about $2k under MSRP.
Bro, you are so underrated and likeable. Been loving your content. Thanks for what you do.
I would have 110% gotten a Honda Civic Hatchback Sport Manual for the reliability, practicality, and feeling of the transmission, if I didn't live up here in the North where we get tons of snow, and therefore need the ground clearance and AWD that the Crosstrek offers.
I am really thankful that the Canadian market offers a Sport trim MANUAL Crosstrek with almost all of the American Limited trim's luxury items, such as heated; seats, steering wheel, side mirrors and rear window, a sunroof, steering-responsive LED headlights, power-adjustable driver's seat, etc.
Going from a manual 2014 Mazda3 however, I can say that I really miss the feeling of the 1 to 1 connection between the driver and the car that the manual transmission gave me.
Just put my deposit down on a 2023 and boost blue six speed manual and pick it up in two weeks. Can’t wait! I’ve had a 97 with a five speed and I had a 2000 with a five speed.
I just recently got a 2022 civic sport hatchback, and I asked the dealer multiple times about it coming in a manual, but every single time I asked they told me that Honda doesn’t make a civic with a manual unless it’s an Si or a Type R. I had seen multiple but didn’t press the issue with them
It is extremely common for car dealers having very little or completely incorrect information about the vehicles that they sell and are supposed to be experts about.
@@tpolerex7282 What do they do in their spare time? Good sales people should know more about their products and good managers would make sure that they did!
@Tony well not who papa squat talk too 😂
I have a VW Jetta 5 speed manual transmission. I love it. At the dealership, I had to sign a disclaimer acknowledging I was buying a manual transmission car. Lol
Great to see a review of the Sport 2.0 Most channels just review the Sport Touring with the 1.5 and give no mention of wonderful K series motor in the Sport. The K series motor matted to a 5 speed manual in my 2005 CRV is still pulling strong. This what Hondas have historically been.
you are totally correct to emphasise the value of the 2 liter combined with the manual. I had a 2001 civic coupe for sixteen years. when I sold it the engine and gearbox were still almost feeling as new! it gave me almost no problems. CVT is rubbish and a con. It has to be repaired much more often , lasts less than half as long, drives like a drone, and is less economical when factoring in repair costs. they make it cos its cheaper to make, but still charge full price for the car.
One bonus is that the k20c2 has port injection making it much more reliable than direct injection motors.
13:40 The Elantra N also has a manual transmission option.
I love your enthusiasm and language in your reviews. It feels well presented, written, and shows a lot of thought in your reviews.
This video and the older Corolla Hatchback 6MT helped me decide on a practical manual vehicle.
I ended up picking up a used 2022 Corolla Hatchback 6MT a few months ago, thanks!
Stick shift for life bro. I am here to gain more knowledge, as I may purchase this in the near future.
I skipped on the last generation civic because the hatch wasn't offered with the NA 2.0 and manual. Too bad car prices are ridiculous now.
I hope I'm wrong, but I fully expect the manual transmission to go away at the mid-cycle refresh and only be available on the Si and Type R. Just like they did with the last generation Accord.
Noo don't jinx it!
I just traded in my 2023 Mazda3 2.5 S Select Sedan (Auto) for a 2024 Honda Civic Hatchback Sport (Manual). I was cross shopping between the Mazda3 Premium (Manual) and the Honda Civic Hatchback Sport (Manual). The Mazda3 had around a $3500 higher MSRP, than the Civic. I don't care for leather/heated seats, sunroof, or a Bose sound system. I'm satisfied with my purchase and wish I would've purchased it last year, instead of the Mazda3.
Can you do the jetta sport manual please?
1:59 "Gasoline is not a lubricant."
All the High-pressure Gasoline Direct Injection Fuel Pumps in the world: "😲😦😧😨😱😩😫🤬"
I have the 2022 WRX and I always turn my head to see a civic passing by.. don't know why.. But ... I like it.
Would have been nice to see you actually drive the car so we can get a feel for the 2.0L and 6MT combo, hear the engine and see how the shifts sound regarding rev hang.
You need to get a "feel"? Go get a boyfriend
Drive the car yourself 🥸🤡🤡
it does come out of the box with rev hang. gotta tune it out
I own a 22 Civic hatch with the 2.0 L and a 6 sp and love it. Easy to drive and no issues at all. It could use more power I suppose but for an everyday car, I think it is great.
Civic hatch 2.0 manual or mazda3 hatch manual what’s your opinion?
What about the Corolla hatch? Isn't it 6 speed and NA?
Edit: no more manual 😭.
Yeah Corolla lost it for 2023. I was quite sad.
I have the same car in Boost Blue! It's been absolutely incredible living with it!
Hows your gas mileage? Do you have the 6 speed?
@@takumisato7126 Gas mileage is about 25-30mpg around town, definitely worse than my CVT but since I put an intake on and my gas pedal became a volume slider for my engine it has gone down significantly haha. It is a 6MT
I would prefer just plain black seats instead of the gray stripes design they went with. Otherwise, if I were looking for a car at this time, this would be near the top choice for me.
Have a 19 civic hatch sp touring 6sp. Fit 3 ppl and a mountain bike inside. No oil dilution prob.
If ppl don't buy manuals anymore. They won't be available. Thx Honda for keeping this puppy
2022 and lower corolla hatchback has 6 speed manual
Sadly the Civic is one size too small for me (more for spec than for room - I prefer more features, better trim) Kudos for the spare tire and a hatchback for functionality. Was totally bummed when Honda chucked the manual Accord for 2021. I remember back when there was a plethora of stick shift sedans, usually the more interesting models - I started buying them with a 91 SHO, and I'm hanging onto the older 5 series / finally starting to think about some light engine mods since there be no replacement even as the primary dd gets switched out every couple of years.
Today, the Civic 2.0 is the only new car I'd recommend. Even its brake feel alone is enough to make me falling in love with its driving experience! But, I only want a manual sedan with NA engine w/o direct injection? Looks like I have to transplant this hatch‘s drivetrain into a Civic LX sedan, because I want light-color fabric & comfy 16" wheels. & hatch's rear visibility (including 11th-gen Civic) is too narrow for convenient/safe passing. No wonder I collected a 2000 Civic hatch with Double Wishbones all around, & only the hatch of the 1992-2000 Civic's offer “decently wide rear visibility”. Nevertheless, my favorite Civic is the manual 1998 Acura 1.6 EL sedan w/ VTEC, ABS, fabric interior but no moonroof.
I have the AWD automatic Mazda3 and I’m considering getting rid of it for this Civic. Nothing wrong with the Mazda at all. With AWD it’s extremely competent in the dry and sure footed in heavy rain (haven’t experienced snow) especially since I upgraded the tires. I just miss driving a simple manual car. Keep in mind, for the Mazda3 you can only get the manual in the Premium trim which sits just below the turbo.
This is the car I originally wanted but between availability and the markups I had to go with an Subaru Impreza sport hatchback in manual. The more I drive it though, the more I love it. With the rear seats down it has more cargo space than this civic. I still would prefer the civic but I am now saddled with the impreza which really isn't bad. Thanks Zech for the review.....🏹🤠👍
My son bought one today and absolutely loves it !
Glad i found this channel today. Do you have a review for the 2024 sport manual?
So very cool to see my car immortalized on the interwebs!
Where did you get it, how long did you have to wait, and did you get it for MSRP? This is the exact car im looking for down to the color. Silver is the easiest to maintain by far.
@@NAUS2KHonda City in Chicago (you can see the license plate brackets). Paid MSRP - no market adjustments. I live out in suburbs and they delivered the car and drove off with my trade-in (2002 Accord)
No way we just bought a black one of these from the same dealer a month ago, it just hit break in miles. It’s got all the same stuck on crap that they tried charging 2k for
@@sonyisda1 Does the center console armrest slide forward? or did they take that functionality away?
Nissan also has the Sentra with a manual transmission
thanks. I see so many reviews that whitewash the cvt, which is an awful transmission, and those ridiculous tiny engines under so much pressure with the turbos. They are a minefield of problems.
I have a 2023 Sport 6speed manual and it is the absolute tits. I love it. Amazing features, handling, mpg's, mature looks, and still fun to drive with the manual...just a total win.
many reviewers out there dont do their job and mislead people into buying crap cvts and pathetic turbo charged lawnmowers. thanks again.
0:41 toyota does make manual corolla hatchback options
Not anymore, unless it’s the AWD Turbo Gr Corolla. The manual option was dropped for the regular Corolla in 2023
@@ShootingCars You’re correct, thats a shame I thought they were still making them.
The ride is bouncy as hell though.😊 you can pull 6s on the 2.0 cvt. 7 to 8s easily. Using the gas pedal is a art. The cvt is good except a little lag if you chose to coast in sport or eco. The sedan is nicer looking.
I REALLY wish there was a full version of that intro music.
Zach P., And another awesome thing about the K20C2 engine is that it has port injection, not direct injection!! Intake valve carbon build up is non-existent on this engine. When I do look around for cars, the priority of criteria must include either port injection only or port and direct injection as a secondary, ie/eg; Toyota D-4S and the newer Ford 'dual-fuel' system. Hyundai/Kia has finally got their big boy britches on, finally, and offered both. I will never own a car that has only direct injection. That is a formula for headaches and additional costs to the owner that is avoidable. People need to speak up more with their wallets. but choose not to. There are plenty of good-looking cars out there, but as soon as I see 'GDI' or 'direct injection',.....heck, even if it is both port and direct injection......anywhere in the description......I run away and never look back. I am always happy to give up more horsepower for reliability and durability every day of the week. I am whole-heartedly set on this. The other three trims for the civic hatchback misses due to the combination of features. The 1.5 is a miss because of the direct injection. The other trim with the 2.0 liter engine misses because of the CVT garbage. The only reason I could only ever choose this civic hatchback 'Sport' trim is due to the N/A engine and manual 'standard' transmission (aka: clutch pedal for all those kids that have never heard of a clutch pedal). Yes, the standard transmission is considered an 'anti-theft device' and I am glad they exist. There needs to be way more of these standard transmissions and, in most other countries 'OCONUS': Outside CONtinental United States), they do exist in vast numbers in comparison to the USA. Jokingly, (note that I am emphasizing the word 'jokingly'), the 'drivers' that are 'able' to, but choose not to, drive a standard transmissions are the ones that their parents didn't love them enough to take the time to teach them to do so. I'll go a step back farther and 'date' myself. My first vehicle had a three-on-the-tree manual transmission. That was a '68 Ford F100. Fuel tank behind the bench seat. Great place for a gas tank, right? That truck is what I learned how to drive a standard transmission on. Not on the floor, but on the steering column. 2nd car: '81 Datsun 210 with 4-on-the-floor tranny. 3rd car: '77 Toyota Celica 5-speed (1st gen Celica). 4th (and last RWD I owned): '91 Nissan 240SX 5-speed hatchback. It had the KA24E engine (SOHC). Nothing special. This civic Sport hatchback has just enough 'bells and whistles' to keep me happy and content. I love the 'bulbous' hatch area and think it is one of its best features. Excellent review of this car. I appreciate you taking your time to record and post it.
Best back seat room goes to the VW Jetta. Noticed how he left that off the List!
Is that spare tire a no charge or included in a trim? Not too many cars have it even as an option
No charge
If it's good enough for nacho libre, it's a go for me
Standard shift is the way to go !!
You can also get the Nissan versa with a manual and it’s NA
What’s NA
You forgot to include the Nissan versa, which has a naturally aspirated, 1.6 L four-cylinder, and a five speed manual transmission. And the 1.5 turbo doesn’t make 201 hp. I think you’re mixing up numbers between the SI and the Type R.
This car taking regular 89 octane is a HUGE win despite the aesthetic flaws. You need to get to work, be reliable, and do it again all over the next day in comfort. I would not say they will delete the MT for 2024, but I would say a 2 year window as production line for just a brief stint is not cost effective. I would say by 2026 yes the MT may be out for good.......but that may depend on sales.
4:06 A little close to the curb there, unless the large FOV is making it look like that
Camera angle, don’t worry! I thought the same when I first started filming like this but I ran some tests with my own car and normal cornering looks like that from the camera angle
Review the civic sport touring or the new hybrids!
I got a 2018 civic base model LX with 61k miles. She treats me well and I hope to get many more years out of her.
I have a lunar metallic civic hatch too! But its a 2022. I love it
i have a 22, virtually identical to this one. but tuned with some bolt-ons. want to turbo it someday. i don't care if it's dumb and i should just buy an si. I honestly believe a turbo'd k20c2 will be more reliable (and i want a hatchback) "buy a type R" okay bud
anyway, it's too bad this version of the civic with a manual is discontinued and the new k20c9 has an even lazier 150hp tune and it's not gonna get the support the C2 did
Love that you are doing reviews of cars with manual transmissions! How would rank the civic hb, compared to the corolla hb manual?
Does this 2.0L manual model come with a hydraulic or mechanical clutch?
I've never really been a big fan of Hondas, but cars like this might make me change my mind.
I just got a ‘24 Sport Hatch 6 speed in Sonic Gray if you’re interested in filming…
THANK YOU! I have been asking for more UA-camrs to review this exact spec....for that, you earned a new subscriber.
Excellent review on one of the most reliable brands available. This particular model with the 2.0 normally aspirated engine paired with a 6-speed manual is the way to go for longevity, which is what I purchased back in late 2022. Love everything about this model except for the auto stop/start feature which you are forced to disengage each time you start the car. Can't wait for a hack to permanently remove that feature. Looking forward to many years of trouble-free motoring.
Idlestopper v2
Nobody mentions auto stop . That’s a big con
Nice review, You have great presentation skills. Your voice is charismatic. This car sounds as good as it looks. Real world reported mpg are a bit lower than I would expect but the civic has grown in size. As for cvt's, I've owned Having owned 2 subaru outbacks , I'm never am heavy on throttle it feels solid and locked up tight. CVT doesn't annoy me at all. I expect Honda would be the same in their cvt.
Just bought one and for no turbo, it's still sporty and fun but needs to keep the rpms above 4k to have any power. Almost as fun as the old GTI I used to have but should be way more reliable. Got it for 1k under msrp and 3.9% for 48 months. Only took 6 hours of negotiations 😠...
how is this different from the SI..?
They need to bring back a CD player. Come on!
Also if you want a comparison test between the manual hatchbacks, mine is available in Schaumburg 😂
Email me! PradelReviews@gmail.com
I wouldn’t say that compared with my manual Mazda 3
We need to see a POV drive of the 2.0 6MT, so we can compare it to the cvt and the 1.5L. Not many reviews exist of this spec.
POV drives to be uploaded on my channel soon !
Jetta no mention?
It’s not naturally aspirated with a manual
Thanks for doing the re-up on the civic hatchback 👍
Good review bro nice looking reliable car with great transmission.
Nice review. Speaker sounds similar to Patton Oswald. And that is a compliment. Great job!
What'd he pay out the door?? Did he order it?
This video deserves WAY more likes...
Nice, enjoyable and informative piece.
In a world where intuitive and appealing seem to be opposites, it's refreshing to see a brand like Honda go against that.
Is the Elantra not available with a manual 2.0 N/A in US?
Only N-line and that is in a different class (more expensive)
I wish the Si comes as a hatch back
Just bought the same car in automatic. I love it.
Is bsm worth it or not
i really like my 24 hatch ex-l
This was a really great review.....thanks.
Unfortunate that the Sport sedan doesn't offer the 2.0 6MT. Just not a big fan of the hatch.
I get the feeling that the Civic is the last Honda where the company still cares about enthusiasts. It would be perfectly in line with their competitors and it would save money to discontinue the manual but they keep it because Civic buyers want a manual. I'm not the biggest fan of Honda but the current Civic looks good. The last Civic was a little too original Fast & Furious. If I was in the market for a sedan one of these with a manual would be on my list.
To me, a VW Golf is a hatchback. I consider hatchbacks to have a vertical back end. I'd consider this a liftback sedan.
I can't really blame car companies for ignoring enthusiasts. Sales just don't justify themselves and the enthusiast always complain about everything. The money just isn't there outside a few well established cars that have reached mainstream status.
A Liftback sedan is like the manual Acura Integra, BMW 4-series Gran Coupe, and Kia Stinger.
This manual Honda Civic Hatchback is more like a wagon in terms of dimensions akin to the 1990’s Toyota Camry Wagon and Honda Accord Wagon.
My only gripe with that engine is that it's only available on the base model
Exactly. I would have been more interested in touring trim if could be had without turbo
I have the 23 Si. Chicago west burbs.
If you want it reviewed, you can email me at PradelReviews@gmail.com !
I approve stuffing town destroyer in a center console.
Good job Zach!
Kia Forte GT - cheaper or same MSRP but more features.
Not too familiar w/ Kia. How’s their engine stack up?
Does the trunk leak
From what I know there were some that did, and there was a recall. I have had this exact car for 12,000 miles now in the north east and havn't had leaking issues. That's through fall, winter, and, spring now
I can't wait for mine to arrive
4 banger stick - gr86 bro
Definitely gonna leave a deposit on this one 😎