With the agile eagle when your in a turn fight you can keep tapping flaps key and the f4 will turn so fast it actually feels broken, and you can see that instant AOA
@@casualspawnpeeking3680if you dump your speed, they can't enter the turning circle. They can outrate you, but they can't enter your turning circle simply because you are going slower, so your circle will simply be smaller
I won a talisman in a battle trophy for the F-4E and now that’s my main top tier grinder. In down tiers that thing is on crack you can obliterate F5s and su25 with those sparrows. Can’t wait for 12.3 now.
I also got a crate talisman for the EJ, it has become my go to grinder beyond the Ko's range. Obviously it has been harder and harder to do well in it, but with the BR cap increase chances are I will still rely on it to grind the Eagle when it finally drops 😅
After 12.3 I think 11.0 will be a bit too strong It will be the same thing as 10.7 after 12.0 came out it’s literally infinite downtier Stuff like F4E,MIG21bis,j7e/8B and mostly the JA37C will dominate 10.0 which is mostly A10/6E,F5C,su25 and other bad planes that are dependant on broken missiles JA37C has non-hdn pusle doppler at 11.0 and skyflashes But also positives for this is that this will decompress 9.3-9.7 as 10.0 are busy getting up tiered, 9.3 will have some breathing room Another problem is Soviet planes like MIG23M and MIG21BIS having R60MS against stuff like J35D,F104J,F104G(CN), F105D(atleast is has chaff do defend radar missiles)
That's the thing, though, A-10's, A-6's and Su-25's are an scourage for flareless planes. The solution would be to decompress further and rebalance the aircraft loadouts (for example the 23M and MF could get rolled back to regular R-60's, the IIIC and J-35D could lose the higher performance IR missiles in exchange of a lower BR and so on).
@@MANNYzZ IMO, I'd remove the Magic's from the IIIC outright, and put it at 9.3/7, its a 1962 airframe with 76's missile and France is lacking a fast interceptor akin to the F-104A/C, Lightning and MiG-21F-13/PFM in that Bracket, the F-100 and Jaguars ain't fast enough. CJ should be capped with the AIM-9D and be at 9.7/10.0. In the end of the day all this suffling wouldn't do much, though, so long as CAS planes with all aspects remain at those BR brackets, the only real solution would be to decompress up to 15.0
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 Mig 23M and MF without R-60Ms would just be trash again, like remember what happened when they first came out with just R-60s, they were barely played and had a terrible win rate along with poor k/d. Not to mention how it only has 12 flares which was another reason as to why R-60Ms were added. Like at that point, why even bother playing the mig 23M with just R-60s when the Mig 21 Bis is just flat out better in everything except for top speed.
@@thegreenbolt2819 The R-60M were partly needed because the R-23's (both R and T) were underperforming as was the plane's FM, too. Now that they have been fixed I think the plane(s) would do ok with regular R-60's once it doesn't get uptiered 90% of the time. The Mirage F1 is in a similar boat now that the 2000 is in, IMO it should get a lower BR in exchange for its Magic-2's. Also I think you undersell the M/MF flight performance, with its current FM it will easily beat a MiG-21 in a sustained fight (though tbf, those are uncommon in top tier RB). Its easily better than Phantoms or the Mirage F1 too.
Fr, I gave up on trying to spade the 104 ASA, every fucking match is 12.0, you get radar missiled even flying low and pre chaffing, the radar missiles are too op and Gaijin won't do anything about it, after 11.7 pretty much any radar missile ignores notching, pre chaffing and 90° chaffing it's really annoying and thw worst part is only 5 aircrafts at top tier get this so good missiles.
@@elnewbie2611 notching works, i do it all the time and am one of the few guys at top tier that climb and BVR, go defensive when needed,then dive down and sling missiles. If you Are getting killed despite notching enemy radar, keep notching until you're sure there's no missile headed your way (as showm in this video, CW seeker heads can still get you even if the enemy locks your chaff due to the missile going for the target with highest positive or negative relative speed) You don't just notch PD radar, you also have to notch normal radar mode too as the missile can still keep tracking your plane if the relative speed between your Aircraft And enemy Aircraft Is higher in positive or negative compared to the chaff that the enemy Is locked on
G'day Lee, Hm didn't think of these changes.. Well time to whip out the Vought A-7K Cosair next update although R.I.P the Dassault Mirage F1CT and Dassault Mirage 2000DR-1 plus the SAAB AJS37 Viggen as they'll get sucked up into pain & suffering all three are CAS jets at 11.3 more meant for GF but one can't truly play those without a lineup.
The 12.3 BR change doesn't really benefit me as a UK/french main... Just means that my top planes might get some more downtiers, but very unlikely. I hope to see some 12.7 by christmas after the big update on the anniversary of Gaijin.
I find that 11.0 currently experiences quite a number of downtiers, usually about one in three or four, so the Mirage F1C may experience the same this after the update.
I'm still baffled as to why the Mirage F1 and the Brit Phantoms are 11.3, in the former case its just because of the Magic-II's and in the later those are just worse F-4J/S, I'd give the FGR.2 AIM-9L's and drop the FG.1 to 11.0
To be honest, 11.7 all the way to 12.3 should be caged so no 11.3 or 11.0 aircrafts get dragged to fight op fighters and op unchaffable radar missiles, 11.3 and 11.0 fighters should be playing most of the time together, just like 10.7 where most of the times you fight 10.7 and 10.3 aircrafts, 11.7 all the way up to 12.3 should have their own fights up there, no 11.3 aircraft is capable of competing with 12.0 and 12.3 aircrafts, I really don't know what Gaijin is thinking about but putting a 104 against op USA and Russian bias fighters and missiles is something that is never gonna be a enjoyable experience.
hey nice outro man :) can't wait for the tornado IDS to be getting constant downtiers, genuinely. it does so good at 10.3, I've had multiple 6-7 kill games in it simply because it has such a ludicrous amount of energy generation :D
It’s a huge issue in all aspects of games. The tanks RB is in an extremely sad state. I have all countries ground trees unlocked and in most cases spaded. About a week after last update where a lot of the 7.0-7.7 tanks got adjusted to different BRs the amount of uptiers are catastrophic. 10 of my active squadron team mates and I started using spreadsheets to document the amount of uptiers in all BRs from 4.7 thru 6.7 mostly but also did some games at 7.0 and 7.3. We discovered a few things, one is a hidden MMR that is definitively in place and the average of uptiers are over 85% across 4.7-6.7. The reason we moved up to 7.0 and 7.3 is because the amount of uptiers to those Brs from 6.3-6.7 was actually over 90%. But 7.0-7.3 for us was over 90% into 8.0-8.3. We started new new accounts and got up to 5.7 in Germany and USA and the uptiers were reduced to less than 50% of the time on new accounts. We logged over 1000 games between us and the averages were over 85% as an average across all BRs and in 90% on 6.3 and 6.7 BRs. Last night I tried to play 5.7 games across all nations and 100% uptier to 6.7. I would start the game, see the full uptier and instant leave. All nations locked out in less than 3 mins, 100% all uptiered to 6.7. Logged into the new account I started and tried 2 games at 5.7 and instantly got 2 5.7 games. Use that data for what you want. Most of us have stoped logging in for anything but squibs.
I noticed that too, the launch circle on the Aim-9J is now as big as the Aim-9L which was a surprise for me as I just spaded the F-104S (Italian one) and I gave up trying to spade the F-104 ASA as I'm getting dragged to 12.0 every fucking match and the tomcats and F-16 op radar missiles don't give a fuck about your notching and 90° chaffing so I always get radar missiled outta air at the beginning of the match its really a painful experience at 11.3 with the 104 ASA so I went back to the 104S and holy smokes, I was surprised when I saw the huge launch and seek circle on the Aim-9J, a positive change that is very welcomed.
Here is the maim issue i have. Air RB BRs effect ground lineups too. Especially with spaa being really strong at top tier (Pantsir come to mind). Soo Plane BRs need to reflect the BR of ground vics if ground vics get stretched out to 12.3-12.7 too it might be fine but untill then its okay for a few planes to not be as strong. (F-4EJ should be 10.7 tho).
Playing 11.0 right now is a pain. The difference in missiles from just 11.0 to 11.3 is huge! Then from 11.0 to 12.0 is just broken. Meaning a slight up tier is pain and a full is just death with no hope. A down tier never happens
Cool thing with the manual wing slats on the F-4E. If you pop them out at around mach 0.85 you can get some good energy retention in cost for AOA and pull.
Still really sucks that the FGR2 is still at 11.3 with albeit the best TWR out of all the phantoms plus PD on the radar, but it still just gets 9G's, Skyflashes, and an external gun pod while not having access to the agile eagle package (didn't have it IRL so it makes sense). I honestly wouldn't care if it stayed 11.3 but it'd be nice if it had the 9L that it had IRL (especially with it now having to fight the R73 and the Aim9M), cuz currently its radar missiles are far from enough when things like the f16 and mig29 can just pull in 1 direction most of the time and dodge it. The Skyflash just LOVES dumping its speed and over/under correcting leading it to miss a fair amount ever since they gutted it. And yes technically the last change to the Skyflash was a buff, it didn't solve the issue of its weird leading problem it has ATM. Glad to see 11.0 is getting a bit of love though.
The BR expansion will prevent 11.0s from fighting the new top dogs from the big patch, but if Gaijin doesn't move up the existing Falcons & Fulcrums 11.0 won't see a huge improvement. So we really just gotta hope Gaijin does the right thing and moves ALL of them up.
Not really, if you play 10.7 right now 80% of the time u’ll be in a full downtier an u may get a sporadic 11.0 here and there. This is because 12.0 literally sucks everything up, so if you are an 11.0 you will get uptiered almost every match (I played the german 21 bis a while back and had 10 out of 11 games at 12.0 with the eleventh being a 11.7), this makes it so that 11.0-11.7 planes will always be in uptiers, leaving free space to the 10.7s. Increasing the BR to 12.3 will just shift this .3 higher, so that 11.0s will now have free space
It'd sure be nice to fly out the F-4E again. I stopped because I kept getting decimated in uptiers. Same reason I didn't play the F-5E at 11.0. Once that got it's downtier, it became my most played jet by a long shot. I liked the F-4E in downtiers, but it struggles to keep up with Mig-29's and the like.
You know what I didn't see, was the Israel Kfir C2 getting moved I forgot to look or if I did see I forgot if it was bing moved. Just wondered because getting up -tierd the thing REALLY lacks a lot with it only carrying 2 AAM and not able to load on anymore. Plus very few countermeasures so its going to be a horrible game for the thing with it lacking countermeasures at such a small amount and when up-tiered it lacks the speed compared to what its up against and specially on them HUGE maps.
Still shit in early 2024. They didn't do a thing and certain airframes/premiums rule the skies and everything else suffers. JA35XS, A5C, Mig-21 Lazur, F5C and any other all-aspect carrying abuse vehicles make it shite.
I hope the things will better in that regard. If so and you see my in-game name iiBanana piloting a MiG-21bis. I will show you why i always preferred the title hunter!
Watching this video while only having the F-4EJ is kinda depressing. Nearly every major advantage you mention it doesn’t have: no agile eagle, no AIM-9Gs, no AIM-7E-2s (only AIM-7Es). At least it won’t see top tier next patch though unlike the 11.3 Phantoms I suppose
It's the worst Phantom in the game for a reason, yeah. Gaijin should really lower it's BR to 10.7, it's greatly inferior to the American F-4E that it's based on.
I don't know if you've seen it yet, but the gimble limit of the aim9j got increased to the point of being the same as the aim9g. Might be something interesting for f4e.
The f4e is one of my favorite planes. From what that RWR dev blog says it looks like the f4e will have one of the better RWR's this update too. I just hope that doesn't mean it's getting a BR increase...
@@sherlocksinha2435 yeah it looks like the f4e will have a better RWR than the f14a. that's what makes me think the f4e might go up in BR. Hopefully not, unless it gets better missiles
Gaijin adding 12.3 to the air tree, meanwhile ground RB is still stuck with 11.7 and some very powerful vehicles like the BVM that really need to go to 12.0
4 aim 7s and 4 sidewinders are gonna be good in its intended matchmaker and even better in a downteir but it makes playing the mig21smt not enjoyable after the update comes
Well, SMT is enjoying utter dominance rn, there is nothing at that BR with even similar kit to SMT. What they should have done was addd 9J and base 7E to F4C (or add F-4D) and flares at 10.3. But rn, SMT dominates, 4xR60 at 10.3 is broken as fuck. I talismaned it and used it to grind russian top tiers due to how broken it is at BR and god help enemy if you are downtiered.
@@honzavasicekfour R-60s is fun and all but for me the real gem of the SMT is combining it's flight performance, ability to carry chaff, and R-3R's. At the 9.3-10.3 range the SMT often got matched into, those R-3Rs were so good for catching people at 4-8km altitude
out of 179 battles so far on my Mig-23ML only 1 was not 12.0, super fighters of the late cold war (F-14/15/16 or Mig-29/SU-27 possibly yak-141) should be separated from the rest of the jet and only be matched up against retrofits like Mig-21-93 or Mig-23-98 which would have more modern missiles to face them and electronics while being a bridge between mid cold war and late cold war jets. Also the fact most aircraft comes with only a pair of short range missile on stock in BVR age is just ridiculous, they should be coming with weapons according to they task eg: Mig-29 with 6x-R-60M and 2x R-27R on stock, with R-73, and R-27 variants as unlockable and increasing BR as installed (Product 9-13 which is in WT never had R-60 not even 9-11 except export variants)
I think they do want to increase the BR to 13.0, etc. but there simply aren't enough top tier jets to really justify that at the moment. It would just be games full of MiG-29s and F-16s and some F-14s which would be kind of repetitive, if you compare it to 7.7 or 9.0, etc. where you have 10 different planes in each team. The moment they add the Gripen, F-15, MiG-31, SU-27, etc. I think that they'll then move 11.0 and 11.3 away from being fillers for 12.0 by increasing these aircraft to 13.0.
The first thing I thought of when I seen the thumbnail and intro was the J-7E, although when I last played I just constantly kept getting uptiered, with maybe 1-2 down tiers.
while i like it i do feel like this change will destroy the 10.0-11.0 bracket. With the rwr nerfs, gimped missiles on earlier 10.0 platforms or janky platforms in general theres not much you can do against f4e guiding 4 sparrows or mig21bis with 6 all aspect r60m. Especially planes like the f1, f104 and mirage 3c that you could play smart and around the slow missile trucks will now have to fight much better planes with superior flight performance and weaponry without even getting flares resulting in them becoming pretty much useless
Saved the F-4J grind for new jets... worst decision I ever made... 4 AIM-9Gs and 4 AIM-7E-2s. Too heavy with the gun. Thank god some people are just ass
two things! a: i couldnt agree more! i love the F4E and just cant use it at all it just suffers so much fighting against F16 and mig29's b: what is that camo? it looks amazing
i actually really like the f-4e to the sheer fact that when you down one of the 12.0 big boi it such a rush of dopamine. oh and in 10.0 you are king of medium alt with those aim7 that pull bullshit kill time to time 😂
Yep I've already been experimenting on the MiG-23M and F-4EJ again in advance to the br cap increase. Besides that I'm thinking about grabbing the premium F-104S or trade the next event reward (if I decide to grind it) for the 23MF.
Finally got the F4E but it really needs to not get put with 12.0 jets i keep getting pummeled by r60s and everything else under the sun the F4C strangely seems better even though it doesnt get flares and has worse missiles
The real problem with the f4e is how hard to spade it, 2 aim9e and 11.0 is not hitting anything. Also you have to watch out for missles every time. Well I’m a laggy player so it might just be me
@@GeneralLee2000 How much would you give on SL mofdifier for grind-aircraft? RP modifier are alle very similar, but SL is mich better pn the F-8E compared to the other two.
With the agile eagle when your in a turn fight you can keep tapping flaps key and the f4 will turn so fast it actually feels broken, and you can see that instant AOA
And you lose your speed even faster while the enemy keeps their speed and energy then kill you really easy.
@@lynnmei4346 exactly
But you dump all of your speed while the enemy keeps thiers and gets inside your turning circle killing you easily
@@lynnmei4346 i keep it in customs and i barely die from that bc i clean them up first or second turn
@@casualspawnpeeking3680if you dump your speed, they can't enter the turning circle. They can outrate you, but they can't enter your turning circle simply because you are going slower, so your circle will simply be smaller
that F-4E camo is amazing
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I won a talisman in a battle trophy for the F-4E and now that’s my main top tier grinder. In down tiers that thing is on crack you can obliterate F5s and su25 with those sparrows. Can’t wait for 12.3 now.
I also got a crate talisman for the EJ, it has become my go to grinder beyond the Ko's range. Obviously it has been harder and harder to do well in it, but with the BR cap increase chances are I will still rely on it to grind the Eagle when it finally drops 😅
After 12.3 I think 11.0 will be a bit too strong
It will be the same thing as 10.7 after 12.0 came out it’s literally infinite downtier
Stuff like F4E,MIG21bis,j7e/8B and mostly the JA37C will dominate 10.0 which is mostly A10/6E,F5C,su25 and other bad planes that are dependant on broken missiles
JA37C has non-hdn pusle doppler at 11.0 and skyflashes
But also positives for this is that this will decompress 9.3-9.7 as 10.0 are busy getting up tiered, 9.3 will have some breathing room
Another problem is Soviet planes like MIG23M and MIG21BIS having R60MS against stuff like J35D,F104J,F104G(CN), F105D(atleast is has chaff do defend radar missiles)
That's the thing, though, A-10's, A-6's and Su-25's are an scourage for flareless planes. The solution would be to decompress further and rebalance the aircraft loadouts (for example the 23M and MF could get rolled back to regular R-60's, the IIIC and J-35D could lose the higher performance IR missiles in exchange of a lower BR and so on).
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 I think j35d and M3C/J should be 10.0
@@MANNYzZ IMO, I'd remove the Magic's from the IIIC outright, and put it at 9.3/7, its a 1962 airframe with 76's missile and France is lacking a fast interceptor akin to the F-104A/C, Lightning and MiG-21F-13/PFM in that Bracket, the F-100 and Jaguars ain't fast enough.
CJ should be capped with the AIM-9D and be at 9.7/10.0.
In the end of the day all this suffling wouldn't do much, though, so long as CAS planes with all aspects remain at those BR brackets, the only real solution would be to decompress up to 15.0
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 Mig 23M and MF without R-60Ms would just be trash again, like remember what happened when they first came out with just R-60s, they were barely played and had a terrible win rate along with poor k/d. Not to mention how it only has 12 flares which was another reason as to why R-60Ms were added. Like at that point, why even bother playing the mig 23M with just R-60s when the Mig 21 Bis is just flat out better in everything except for top speed.
@@thegreenbolt2819 The R-60M were partly needed because the R-23's (both R and T) were underperforming as was the plane's FM, too. Now that they have been fixed I think the plane(s) would do ok with regular R-60's once it doesn't get uptiered 90% of the time. The Mirage F1 is in a similar boat now that the 2000 is in, IMO it should get a lower BR in exchange for its Magic-2's.
Also I think you undersell the M/MF flight performance, with its current FM it will easily beat a MiG-21 in a sustained fight (though tbf, those are uncommon in top tier RB). Its easily better than Phantoms or the Mirage F1 too.
The return of the old top tier meta of F-4E Vs MiG-21Bis. And don't forget, J-7E is going to absolutely stomp on everything again
12.3??? I say we need 13.0-13.7 at this point. Anything 9.0-11.3 just feels completely unplayable.
Fr, I gave up on trying to spade the 104 ASA, every fucking match is 12.0, you get radar missiled even flying low and pre chaffing, the radar missiles are too op and Gaijin won't do anything about it, after 11.7 pretty much any radar missile ignores notching, pre chaffing and 90° chaffing it's really annoying and thw worst part is only 5 aircrafts at top tier get this so good missiles.
@@elnewbie2611 notching works, i do it all the time and am one of the few guys at top tier that climb and BVR, go defensive when needed,then dive down and sling missiles.
If you Are getting killed despite notching enemy radar, keep notching until you're sure there's no missile headed your way (as showm in this video, CW seeker heads can still get you even if the enemy locks your chaff due to the missile going for the target with highest positive or negative relative speed)
You don't just notch PD radar, you also have to notch normal radar mode too as the missile can still keep tracking your plane if the relative speed between your Aircraft And enemy Aircraft Is higher in positive or negative compared to the chaff that the enemy Is locked on
Sweet. The F4E is still my most used jet of all time even though I haven’t played it in like 2 years lol. Has a special place in my heart
This apparent 11.0 Matchmaker Fix, BETTER not ruin my 10.7 F5E Matchmaker 😂
Honestly f5E in 11.0 I think will be fine, flight perf is so good and stuff at 11.0 if anything is more sluggish just better weapons
The F-5E used to be 11.0 for a long time so I don’t think it will be that bad.
Now that 11.0 is gonna be a thing I suspect that the stats of the J7e are gonna sky-rocket and it will go to 11.3 quite quickly.
If that happens I will genuinely send anthrax to the fucking headquarters of Gaijin, they better not do my baby like that
J7e is still a beast now tbf
It'd also help if gaijin gave half of their 11.0 jets their realistic armaments.
G'day Lee,
Hm didn't think of these changes.. Well time to whip out the Vought A-7K Cosair next update although R.I.P the Dassault Mirage F1CT and Dassault Mirage 2000DR-1 plus the SAAB AJS37 Viggen as they'll get sucked up into pain & suffering all three are CAS jets at 11.3 more meant for GF but one can't truly play those without a lineup.
The 12.3 BR change doesn't really benefit me as a UK/french main... Just means that my top planes might get some more downtiers, but very unlikely. I hope to see some 12.7 by christmas after the big update on the anniversary of Gaijin.
I find that 11.0 currently experiences quite a number of downtiers, usually about one in three or four, so the Mirage F1C may experience the same this after the update.
I think with December update French will get something to 12.7 also
The Mirage 2000-5F will get MICA's, which to my knowledge are roughly on part with AIM-120C's, so its BR will definitely go up.@@incognito3678
I'm still baffled as to why the Mirage F1 and the Brit Phantoms are 11.3, in the former case its just because of the Magic-II's and in the later those are just worse F-4J/S, I'd give the FGR.2 AIM-9L's and drop the FG.1 to 11.0
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 mirage f1 now has missile with the best irccm (from aim-9m), soo
To be honest, 11.7 all the way to 12.3 should be caged so no 11.3 or 11.0 aircrafts get dragged to fight op fighters and op unchaffable radar missiles, 11.3 and 11.0 fighters should be playing most of the time together, just like 10.7 where most of the times you fight 10.7 and 10.3 aircrafts, 11.7 all the way up to 12.3 should have their own fights up there, no 11.3 aircraft is capable of competing with 12.0 and 12.3 aircrafts, I really don't know what Gaijin is thinking about but putting a 104 against op USA and Russian bias fighters and missiles is something that is never gonna be a enjoyable experience.
hey nice outro man :)
can't wait for the tornado IDS to be getting constant downtiers, genuinely. it does so good at 10.3, I've had multiple 6-7 kill games in it simply because it has such a ludicrous amount of energy generation :D
nobody likes tornado mfg players anyway
Well it just kinda doesn't lose speed cause it doesn't turn haha
@@GeneralLee2000 0:56 "Every nation that has 12.0 vehicles, has been getting constantly uptiered to 12.0."
It’s a huge issue in all aspects of games. The tanks RB is in an extremely sad state. I have all countries ground trees unlocked and in most cases spaded.
About a week after last update where a lot of the 7.0-7.7 tanks got adjusted to different BRs the amount of uptiers are catastrophic.
10 of my active squadron team mates and I started using spreadsheets to document the amount of uptiers in all BRs from 4.7 thru 6.7 mostly but also did some games at 7.0 and 7.3.
We discovered a few things, one is a hidden MMR that is definitively in place and the average of uptiers are over 85% across 4.7-6.7.
The reason we moved up to 7.0 and 7.3 is because the amount of uptiers to those Brs from 6.3-6.7 was actually over 90%.
But 7.0-7.3 for us was over 90% into 8.0-8.3. We started new new accounts and got up to 5.7 in Germany and USA and the uptiers were reduced to less than 50% of the time on new accounts.
We logged over 1000 games between us and the averages were over 85% as an average across all BRs and in 90% on 6.3 and 6.7 BRs.
Last night I tried to play 5.7 games across all nations and 100% uptier to 6.7. I would start the game, see the full uptier and instant leave. All nations locked out in less than 3 mins, 100% all uptiered to 6.7.
Logged into the new account I started and tried 2 games at 5.7 and instantly got 2 5.7 games. Use that data for what you want.
Most of us have stoped logging in for anything but squibs.
good job im fucking amazing at the game and dont have this skill issue.
We need 15.0 with a full BR between tiers
In next patch 9J got prelaunch gimbal limit from 10 to 40 degrees
I noticed that too, the launch circle on the Aim-9J is now as big as the Aim-9L which was a surprise for me as I just spaded the F-104S (Italian one) and I gave up trying to spade the F-104 ASA as I'm getting dragged to 12.0 every fucking match and the tomcats and F-16 op radar missiles don't give a fuck about your notching and 90° chaffing so I always get radar missiled outta air at the beginning of the match its really a painful experience at 11.3 with the 104 ASA so I went back to the 104S and holy smokes, I was surprised when I saw the huge launch and seek circle on the Aim-9J, a positive change that is very welcomed.
Will definitely be grinding the new SMT with my MiG-21bis and 23M, they've gathered much dust lately
Here is the maim issue i have. Air RB BRs effect ground lineups too. Especially with spaa being really strong at top tier (Pantsir come to mind). Soo Plane BRs need to reflect the BR of ground vics if ground vics get stretched out to 12.3-12.7 too it might be fine but untill then its okay for a few planes to not be as strong. (F-4EJ should be 10.7 tho).
F-4EJ is genuinely useless at 11.0
@@norske_ow3440 it is the worst phantom BR per BR
I think this footage you have playing in the background would make for a very good frag montage with ace combat music hahahahaha, it's really good.
Thank you! Haha
I can’t wait to play my favorite missile slinger again
Hoping my F-4EJ becomes useful again soon
Hope the F-104s taf will be playable again after the patch. Thing has no business fighting mig29 and f26, ridiculous.
Playing 11.0 right now is a pain. The difference in missiles from just 11.0 to 11.3 is huge! Then from 11.0 to 12.0 is just broken. Meaning a slight up tier is pain and a full is just death with no hope. A down tier never happens
The MiG-23MLD is still going to get decked, but the MiG-23M may be playable again at least.
Cool thing with the manual wing slats on the F-4E. If you pop them out at around mach 0.85 you can get some good energy retention in cost for AOA and pull.
0:56 "Every nation that has 12.0 vehicles, has been getting constantly uptiered to 12.0."
Yes? 11.0 gets sucked up into 12.0
JA37C boutta be my new favourite plane
OH GOD "Possibly more may move"
EJ kai : please no more BR bump
Definitely excited to be able to play 11.0 again! Don't care about the rest of the air content this patch
Still really sucks that the FGR2 is still at 11.3 with albeit the best TWR out of all the phantoms plus PD on the radar, but it still just gets 9G's, Skyflashes, and an external gun pod while not having access to the agile eagle package (didn't have it IRL so it makes sense).
I honestly wouldn't care if it stayed 11.3 but it'd be nice if it had the 9L that it had IRL (especially with it now having to fight the R73 and the Aim9M), cuz currently its radar missiles are far from enough when things like the f16 and mig29 can just pull in 1 direction most of the time and dodge it. The Skyflash just LOVES dumping its speed and over/under correcting leading it to miss a fair amount ever since they gutted it.
And yes technically the last change to the Skyflash was a buff, it didn't solve the issue of its weird leading problem it has ATM.
Glad to see 11.0 is getting a bit of love though.
Ja37C time to shine 🔥
WOOOO MUH PHANTOM
for some reason playing with sweden and israel in a squad at 11.0 got me full downtiers like 90% of the time over about 40 games
I can't wait to play the F-4EJ ADTW again because of the 12.3 getting added
J-7D might become a really good plane to spend your money on
And J-7E will become OP again :)
The BR expansion will prevent 11.0s from fighting the new top dogs from the big patch, but if Gaijin doesn't move up the existing Falcons & Fulcrums 11.0 won't see a huge improvement. So we really just gotta hope Gaijin does the right thing and moves ALL of them up.
Not really, if you play 10.7 right now 80% of the time u’ll be in a full downtier an u may get a sporadic 11.0 here and there. This is because 12.0 literally sucks everything up, so if you are an 11.0 you will get uptiered almost every match (I played the german 21 bis a while back and had 10 out of 11 games at 12.0 with the eleventh being a 11.7), this makes it so that 11.0-11.7 planes will always be in uptiers, leaving free space to the 10.7s. Increasing the BR to 12.3 will just shift this .3 higher, so that 11.0s will now have free space
11.3 will have a harder time though since it won't share the uptiers with their weaker cousins at 11.0 thus getting FULL uptiers every single time
11.0 will be fun and not trash anymore yes
It'd sure be nice to fly out the F-4E again. I stopped because I kept getting decimated in uptiers. Same reason I didn't play the F-5E at 11.0. Once that got it's downtier, it became my most played jet by a long shot. I liked the F-4E in downtiers, but it struggles to keep up with Mig-29's and the like.
RAAAAAH JEW4E. The best F-4E. Got that skin myself AND a free tali to grind the Barak II with.
SO BASED!!!!
C viggen will be epic
Can’t wait to still get full uptiered in my Italian f104
You know what I didn't see, was the Israel Kfir C2 getting moved I forgot to look or if I did see I forgot if it was bing moved. Just wondered because getting up -tierd the thing REALLY lacks a lot with it only carrying 2 AAM and not able to load on anymore. Plus very few countermeasures so its going to be a horrible game for the thing with it lacking countermeasures at such a small amount and when up-tiered it lacks the speed compared to what its up against and specially on them HUGE maps.
Hey, it's me - 1:11
Accidental cameo haha
Looking forward to grinding China with the j-7d. I really want the j7e and the Chinese f-16
Still shit in early 2024. They didn't do a thing and certain airframes/premiums rule the skies and everything else suffers. JA35XS, A5C, Mig-21 Lazur, F5C and any other all-aspect carrying abuse vehicles make it shite.
I hope the things will better in that regard.
If so and you see my in-game name iiBanana piloting a MiG-21bis.
I will show you why i always preferred the title hunter!
MiG-21Bis is gonna be enjoyers as well we pray
Watching this video while only having the F-4EJ is kinda depressing. Nearly every major advantage you mention it doesn’t have: no agile eagle, no AIM-9Gs, no AIM-7E-2s (only AIM-7Es). At least it won’t see top tier next patch though unlike the 11.3 Phantoms I suppose
It's the worst Phantom in the game for a reason, yeah. Gaijin should really lower it's BR to 10.7, it's greatly inferior to the American F-4E that it's based on.
ive been squading with a friend playing China and i have been able to enjoy the viggen again in these downtiers, especially since it has PD at 11.0
The glory days the j7e have returned
Love your outro song 🥲
will be nice to dust off my J7E again
Frfr
Finally I'll be able to use my FGR.2
I don't know if you've seen it yet, but the gimble limit of the aim9j got increased to the point of being the same as the aim9g. Might be something interesting for f4e.
Lost radar slaving tho
@@sherlocksinha2435 yeah, im not sure if i prefer having radar slaving or the larger gimble limit.
Honestly my favorite part of this update, the f4e is my favorite plane in the game
The f4e is one of my favorite planes. From what that RWR dev blog says it looks like the f4e will have one of the better RWR's this update too. I just hope that doesn't mean it's getting a BR increase...
Better RWR than the F14 A
@@sherlocksinha2435 yeah it looks like the f4e will have a better RWR than the f14a. that's what makes me think the f4e might go up in BR. Hopefully not, unless it gets better missiles
@@shanedockery3283 At this point just give it 9L's TCS and bump it to 12.0 with a better RWR
I am SO excited to finally be able to fly the Mig-23M again, I love the R-23R's alot theyre a silly missile
We're all upset about no f15A but hey the game is improving with the patch at least
i can't wait to finally fly the Mig 21 Bis at a decent BR
I WANT TO KILL ALL PREMIUMS IN THIS MACHINEEEEEE (when 12.3 drops)
Bro they add 1 step in brs for every 4 steps in power creep
So the F-5E will go back to 11.0, right? Because it was a competent plane at that BR that just had trouble dealing with 12.0! Right??
...Right?
I hope my F-4EJ ADTW will be playable soon
U deserve so much more credit for ur work. Keep it up.
I appreciate that!
I think we might be able to enjoy 9.7 and below, and not see too many all aspect missiles.
Hopefully! Would be awesome if so
Finally, my fav plane that I have in wt will get every funner
Gaijin adding 12.3 to the air tree, meanwhile ground RB is still stuck with 11.7 and some very powerful vehicles like the BVM that really need to go to 12.0
4 aim 7s and 4 sidewinders are gonna be good in its intended matchmaker and even better in a downteir but it makes playing the mig21smt not enjoyable after the update comes
But it will make the Mig 21 BIS very enjoyable, so just play the BIS instead of SMT
After the filleting update the BIS should cost a lot less rp now
Well, SMT is enjoying utter dominance rn, there is nothing at that BR with even similar kit to SMT. What they should have done was addd 9J and base 7E to F4C (or add F-4D) and flares at 10.3. But rn, SMT dominates, 4xR60 at 10.3 is broken as fuck. I talismaned it and used it to grind russian top tiers due to how broken it is at BR and god help enemy if you are downtiered.
Bis enjoying time ))))
@@honzavasicekfour R-60s is fun and all but for me the real gem of the SMT is combining it's flight performance, ability to carry chaff, and R-3R's. At the 9.3-10.3 range the SMT often got matched into, those R-3Rs were so good for catching people at 4-8km altitude
I’ve never had a match at my br or lower in the F4, mig21/23. Literally every match(hundreds) has been at 12.0
out of 179 battles so far on my Mig-23ML only 1 was not 12.0, super fighters of the late cold war (F-14/15/16 or Mig-29/SU-27 possibly yak-141) should be separated from the rest of the jet and only be matched up against retrofits like Mig-21-93 or Mig-23-98 which would have more modern missiles to face them and electronics while being a bridge between mid cold war and late cold war jets.
Also the fact most aircraft comes with only a pair of short range missile on stock in BVR age is just ridiculous, they should be coming with weapons according to they task eg: Mig-29 with 6x-R-60M and 2x R-27R on stock, with R-73, and R-27 variants as unlockable and increasing BR as installed (Product 9-13 which is in WT never had R-60 not even 9-11 except export variants)
I think they do want to increase the BR to 13.0, etc. but there simply aren't enough top tier jets to really justify that at the moment. It would just be games full of MiG-29s and F-16s and some F-14s which would be kind of repetitive, if you compare it to 7.7 or 9.0, etc. where you have 10 different planes in each team. The moment they add the Gripen, F-15, MiG-31, SU-27, etc. I think that they'll then move 11.0 and 11.3 away from being fillers for 12.0 by increasing these aircraft to 13.0.
I’ve been saying this about my beloved f4e since 12.3 was announced. F4E BEST PHANTOM F**K YEAH
The J7E will be SO fun next update. It is the best dogfighter at 11.0 hands down.
The first thing I thought of when I seen the thumbnail and intro was the J-7E, although when I last played I just constantly kept getting uptiered, with maybe 1-2 down tiers.
j-7e is still competitive tho since it flies like a ufo
while i like it i do feel like this change will destroy the 10.0-11.0 bracket. With the rwr nerfs, gimped missiles on earlier 10.0 platforms or janky platforms in general theres not much you can do against f4e guiding 4 sparrows or mig21bis with 6 all aspect r60m.
Especially planes like the f1, f104 and mirage 3c that you could play smart and around the slow missile trucks will now have to fight much better planes with superior flight performance and weaponry without even getting flares resulting in them becoming pretty much useless
Saved the F-4J grind for new jets... worst decision I ever made... 4 AIM-9Gs and 4 AIM-7E-2s. Too heavy with the gun. Thank god some people are just ass
The 7Fs will make it a lot better, you can do it!
Wassup lee? Can’t wait!
Howdy!
Then my Mig21 Lazur will finally be playable and i can research the german tech tree.
I can’t wait for my Kfir C.2 to be a viable aircraft
two things!
a: i couldnt agree more! i love the F4E and just cant use it at all it just suffers so much fighting against F16 and mig29's
b: what is that camo? it looks amazing
There is still 12.0 F16s,Mig29s and M2000 tho, unless those move to 12.3, 11.0 will still suck
I won't hold my breath, looks like only 5 aircraft are going to be 12.3 so not enough to effect the matchmaker.
2 only for now
RIP to all the crappy 10.0 jets.
i actually really like the f-4e to the sheer fact that when you down one of the 12.0 big boi it such a rush of dopamine. oh and in 10.0 you are king of medium alt with those aim7 that pull bullshit kill time to time 😂
Yep I've already been experimenting on the MiG-23M and F-4EJ again in advance to the br cap increase.
Besides that I'm thinking about grabbing the premium F-104S or trade the next event reward (if I decide to grind it) for the 23MF.
Finally got the F4E but it really needs to not get put with 12.0 jets i keep getting pummeled by r60s and everything else under the sun the F4C strangely seems better even though it doesnt get flares and has worse missiles
I love the F4E and MIG21 but they simply can't compete with literally anything at 12.0, even the F4S has so much better weapons than the F4E
Still enjoy the J7E and F4E a lot
i am saddened by the lack of gunpods in this video.
HAH
The real problem with the f4e is how hard to spade it, 2 aim9e and 11.0 is not hitting anything.
Also you have to watch out for missles every time.
Well I’m a laggy player so it might just be me
it should be moved to 10.7 just like the German F4-F
And the American F-4E is going to benefit from the Aim-9J buff
me:
*Cries in my MiG 23 MLD*
Yeah that didn't pan out. Got uptiered to 12.0 5 games in a row and stopped playing
I feel like the aim 9j has pretty good flare resistance, at least from rear aspect. For me the aim 9j ignores more flares than when i use the 9l
It has zero flare resistance
@@sebastiankillin7940it has nice flare resistance, it’s better than the G or the H, but worse than the L or the M
Yeah i prefer using the 9J for the flare resistance
9G and 9H has always felt pretty meh to me compared to the 9J
not for me@@sebastiankillin7940
Nah every time I use my F4 phantom (11.0) I get full up-tier matches. I’m seeing F16c and MiG 29 every single match.
j7e will be even more fun to play
This is actually a positive thing... but I guess my J-7E won't be clapping Mig-29's and F-16's anymore 😔
J7e still is pretty good, although maybe thats just cause I’m biased
So, will the F-4E be the better grinder in the future compared to the F-5E and F-8E?
most likely so
There's a pretty good chance of that
I already prefer the f4e for grinding because I like the play style of having lots of missiles
@@GeneralLee2000 How much would you give on SL mofdifier for grind-aircraft? RP modifier are alle very similar, but SL is mich better pn the F-8E compared to the other two.
@@robotox8672 I care more about how many kills I can get since that gives more SL, so choose whichever you do the best in I would say.