I’ve honestly been loving this J-10, it’s honestly so good and such a blast to play, yesterday I got an 8 kill game/clutch in it. (And the PL-5EII are sometimes cracked in head-on’s just straight up ignores flares, I fully agree with the downsides, wished it had more flares.)
8:30 F16C Barak 2 supremacy. MICA Jr, hilariously good at close range off bore shots, and AMRAAMs *_at the same time_* , with 240 countermeasures, and when they give it the right FM, it’ll have very comparable dogfight performance to the Block 50, just a slightly lower top speed because of the like 500 kgf less thrust.
I'm glad the Chinese TT is getting more vehicles and entering the meta. Though I am disappointed with some of the features/lack there of that gaijin has given the J-10. Allegedly the PL-5EII IRCCM seeker is exactly the same as the TY-90. The TY-90 being a product of AVIC and the PL-5EII being a product of AVIC's subsidiary. It makes sense they share technology. Everyone hates the TY-90 on account of it being nigh un-flareable in a rear aspect lock due to its gate-with irccm going to 1.25 degree FOV, so I can understand why gaijin hasn't added it to the missile yet. Another thing is the amount of precision weaponry. According to some people on the "Snail mine" Leaks server, The J-10A could carry 250Kg GBUs on almost every pylon that could mount the 250Kg dumb bombs barring the last pylon on each wing. Certain fuselage hardpoints even being capable of carrying the GB-1000kg bomb found on the JH-7A. Speaking of the JH-7A, that plane whilst amazing, Is similarly a let down in weapons capabilities. The JH-7A has been photographed carrying 4x KH-29T. The JH-7A can allegedly use the PL-12 ARH missile. I have a photo of it mounted where the PL-8 can be mounted currently in war thunder. There is also the lack of PL-8B on the JH-7A which you mentioned the J-10A also lacking. I do hope that if they add the PL-8B, that both aircraft receive it. Many people don't want the JH-7A to receive these weapons as it will certainly give it an increase in BR. But I am one who believes aircraft in war thunder deserve their full complement of weapons, so long they could actually carry them. The Q-5s can supplement the BR gap between them and the JH-7a, gaijin just has to give the Q-5 models their appropriate weaponry. Which they refuse to do so that the A-5C remains relevant to buyers. The Q-5D would be a useful plane to see in-between the A and the L. speaking of both planes, I hope that one day they receive their PL-2s and PL-5Bs respectively. Another possibility is that seeing as gaijin didn't add the premium JH-7. There is still a chance it may be added to the tech tree. Another thing I wanted to address is countermeasures. The Chinese never really developed any BOL pods like the Swedish or any pure countermeasure pods. The Chinese instead chose to put money towards the development of ECM pods (electronic countermeasures). These are not in game so I have no problem with their current absence. If anyone has anything they want to add or their own 2 cents, you're welcome to comment. Lee, glad to hear you're enjoying the J-10 as much as I have.
"within 5 degrees of the notch" 5 Degrees is actually within the notch limit for all current missiles, meaning it can genuinely notch while maintaining a lock.
Although I am not particularly fond of the Chinese aircraft technology tree, I will persevere in my efforts to research and acquire the J-10 fighter jet. Your counsel holds great value for me, and I am eager to deepen my comprehension of the game's intricate mechanics. Thank you -Bole
The su27sm can now carry 12 missiles whereas the J11A is still stuck with 10. Gaijin creating even more downsides to the J11A is hilarious and depressing as a China main. At least this update helped us out a ton.
"you NEED to fly this" most people who dont spend 50 bucks a month on warthunder or play it as their job are able to casually grind an entire tech tree in one afternoon i havent even gotten one whole tech tree grinded out let alone all of them
Oh yeah first you let everyone go ahead, then when the rwr alert you on incoming misiles you turn or notch then much later join the fight and hope some targets in 20km or later and pray for the best
@@GeneralLee2000or maybe they should stop to add 3D models and start to make changes in the game mode already. Literally the same formula as in props is ridiculous, every game is the same center map shit
At this moment I just look at the patch notes and think to myself, cool all these awesome planes are coming out and we'll get the F18, Eurofighter, rafale next! But in retrospect until the meta changes or the multipathing is bumped up to 80-90 meters I wont touch top tier anymore besides the occasional Netz game to have fun with IR missiles (even though it's overtiered). They also screwed up by releasing the overpowered, undertiered and oversaturated F14A Iran and now every game in what was previously a bearable tier 11.3-12.7 is now just fakour 90 deaths on the bottom right of my screen with no actual fighting.
@@PvtPartzz not really and it very much depends on the map. Its just that ARHMs are so dominant that it doesn't even leave room to actually dogfight because everyone is tunnel visioned on long-medium range missiles not to mention there are dozens of them flying around and the games are so short as a result. The whole reason why it needs to be buffed is so that people can have way more options when it comes to fighting top tier in ARB instead of clicking and forgetting 4-8 times for 32 people. You don't want to actively be worrying about ARH missiles while just launching your own and forgetting, there is no point to top tier if that's the case. Atleast in the previous meta It was way slower for the fact that you had to focus on 1 person at a time for SARH and it actually took skill to counter the other option IR missiles with good flaring. The new meta is just braindead
in the current meta I even think the 29SMT is okay (not good, just okay) just because it's 13.3 and because its bad dogfighting performance is offset by the avionics and HMD R-77s. this doesn't happen anymore since they buffed the Fakour-90, but back when the Iranian F-14A became available, it was wonderful just getting constant downtiers and clubbing them with R-77s.
@@rickdubbink nope the first batch of the eurofighter is pretty close and there is a reason they got in service at the same time 2006. btw they are close in optic too because j10 is a wish eurofighter, chinese like copying and the j10 won over the eurofighter 9-0 in a exercise
The “Alright Everybody, Welcome back” is always my favourite part
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*CPU I found you*
@@ItzCPU_ 🤣
@@merf5549 Haiii Merf
@@merf5549Haiii Merf
That 180 bomb drop is pretty dope
I’ve honestly been loving this J-10, it’s honestly so good and such a blast to play, yesterday I got an 8 kill game/clutch in it. (And the PL-5EII are sometimes cracked in head-on’s just straight up ignores flares, I fully agree with the downsides, wished it had more flares.)
8:30 F16C Barak 2 supremacy. MICA Jr, hilariously good at close range off bore shots, and AMRAAMs *_at the same time_* , with 240 countermeasures, and when they give it the right FM, it’ll have very comparable dogfight performance to the Block 50, just a slightly lower top speed because of the like 500 kgf less thrust.
No AMG-65Ds though so it still sucks for CAS.
I'm glad the Chinese TT is getting more vehicles and entering the meta. Though I am disappointed with some of the features/lack there of that gaijin has given the J-10.
Allegedly the PL-5EII IRCCM seeker is exactly the same as the TY-90. The TY-90 being a product of AVIC and the PL-5EII being a product of AVIC's subsidiary. It makes sense they share technology. Everyone hates the TY-90 on account of it being nigh un-flareable in a rear aspect lock due to its gate-with irccm going to 1.25 degree FOV, so I can understand why gaijin hasn't added it to the missile yet.
Another thing is the amount of precision weaponry. According to some people on the "Snail mine" Leaks server, The J-10A could carry 250Kg GBUs on almost every pylon that could mount the 250Kg dumb bombs barring the last pylon on each wing. Certain fuselage hardpoints even being capable of carrying the GB-1000kg bomb found on the JH-7A.
Speaking of the JH-7A, that plane whilst amazing, Is similarly a let down in weapons capabilities. The JH-7A has been photographed carrying 4x KH-29T. The JH-7A can allegedly use the PL-12 ARH missile. I have a photo of it mounted where the PL-8 can be mounted currently in war thunder. There is also the lack of PL-8B on the JH-7A which you mentioned the J-10A also lacking. I do hope that if they add the PL-8B, that both aircraft receive it.
Many people don't want the JH-7A to receive these weapons as it will certainly give it an increase in BR. But I am one who believes aircraft in war thunder deserve their full complement of weapons, so long they could actually carry them.
The Q-5s can supplement the BR gap between them and the JH-7a, gaijin just has to give the Q-5 models their appropriate weaponry. Which they refuse to do so that the A-5C remains relevant to buyers. The Q-5D would be a useful plane to see in-between the A and the L. speaking of both planes, I hope that one day they receive their PL-2s and PL-5Bs respectively. Another possibility is that seeing as gaijin didn't add the premium JH-7. There is still a chance it may be added to the tech tree.
Another thing I wanted to address is countermeasures. The Chinese never really developed any BOL pods like the Swedish or any pure countermeasure pods. The Chinese instead chose to put money towards the development of ECM pods (electronic countermeasures). These are not in game so I have no problem with their current absence.
If anyone has anything they want to add or their own 2 cents, you're welcome to comment.
Lee, glad to hear you're enjoying the J-10 as much as I have.
"within 5 degrees of the notch" 5 Degrees is actually within the notch limit for all current missiles, meaning it can genuinely notch while maintaining a lock.
Although I am not particularly fond of the Chinese aircraft technology tree, I will persevere in my efforts to research and acquire the J-10 fighter jet. Your counsel holds great value for me, and I am eager to deepen my comprehension of the game's intricate mechanics.
Thank you
-Bole
The su27sm can now carry 12 missiles whereas the J11A is still stuck with 10. Gaijin creating even more downsides to the J11A is hilarious and depressing as a China main. At least this update helped us out a ton.
the bomb drop brought a smile to my face
NUMBER 1 J10A 💯
The social credit is going back up with this one, boys
This is the jet I grinded the air tree in anticipation for, and I’m so stoked it’s as good as I was expecting 😅
Been waiting this review from you, very nice!
guess i need to grind from rank 4 to 8 then
just a small speedbump
@@compmilk nice and quick!
Bro be speed running the everybody in "alright everybody welcome back" lol
@@bennyheppner4589 gotta switch it up sometimes!
Nice to see China get something native at top tier. If I could only be bothered to grind out my third tree it would certainly be China.
man slips in that project wingman ost
Everybody gets a chance at being #1. Even France!
"you NEED to fly this" most people who dont spend 50 bucks a month on warthunder or play it as their job are able to casually grind an entire tech tree in one afternoon i havent even gotten one whole tech tree grinded out let alone all of them
Oh yeah first you let everyone go ahead, then when the rwr alert you on incoming misiles you turn or notch then much later join the fight and hope some targets in 20km or later and pray for the best
I somehow beat a J-10 in a dogfight with the ICE once
Babe wake up, General Lee anime girl logo jusy dropped
Was exited for this thing to come. I wonder if the Lavi will come in the future tho, it seems like an israeli version of this.
What was the background music at the PL-5EII/PL-8 section of the video?
J-10 is a great addition. I dislike the gameplay loop of toptier however. It's just not fun anymore.
@@spray916 they should have added the early one without ARH...
@@GeneralLee2000or maybe they should stop to add 3D models and start to make changes in the game mode already. Literally the same formula as in props is ridiculous, every game is the same center map shit
How do you get your afterburners to look that color? What graphic setting are you playing on and is it obtainable on console? How do you do it?
Swear i saw you before in the jet with my mig29g. Then i get clapped by seek.😂 wish i have this jet
At this moment I just look at the patch notes and think to myself, cool all these awesome planes are coming out and we'll get the F18, Eurofighter, rafale next! But in retrospect until the meta changes or the multipathing is bumped up to 80-90 meters I wont touch top tier anymore besides the occasional Netz game to have fun with IR missiles (even though it's overtiered). They also screwed up by releasing the overpowered, undertiered and oversaturated F14A Iran and now every game in what was previously a bearable tier 11.3-12.7 is now just fakour 90 deaths on the bottom right of my screen with no actual fighting.
I don’t understand the desire to go back to multipathing every single radar missile. You STILL CAN multipath the missiles with relative ease.
@@PvtPartzz not really and it very much depends on the map. Its just that ARHMs are so dominant that it doesn't even leave room to actually dogfight because everyone is tunnel visioned on long-medium range missiles not to mention there are dozens of them flying around and the games are so short as a result. The whole reason why it needs to be buffed is so that people can have way more options when it comes to fighting top tier in ARB instead of clicking and forgetting 4-8 times for 32 people. You don't want to actively be worrying about ARH missiles while just launching your own and forgetting, there is no point to top tier if that's the case. Atleast in the previous meta It was way slower for the fact that you had to focus on 1 person at a time for SARH and it actually took skill to counter the other option IR missiles with good flaring. The new meta is just braindead
Dragon Gaming
@@GualaSZN Gotta make that dragon vigorous
Lavi?😢
Tell me how do you get that afterburner color
whyy change thumbnail from china #1 to china worth
grinding china rn
J-8F is leagues better than the J-11A.. but yeah top tier china was mid. But china future is NUTS..
Are we seriously still pretending the MiG-29 isn't a good plane?
J10 replaced its place mig29s are trash compared to even a f4f ice
@@CruLisP The base model MiG-29s are still competitive at 12.7 though
in the current meta I even think the 29SMT is okay (not good, just okay) just because it's 13.3 and because its bad dogfighting performance is offset by the avionics and HMD R-77s. this doesn't happen anymore since they buffed the Fakour-90, but back when the Iranian F-14A became available, it was wonderful just getting constant downtiers and clubbing them with R-77s.
They will nerf j10 soon don't worrie
Just shows how good the last of the euro-canards will be.
Idk why people are comparing this to the Rafale and Eurofighter, they are completely out of this thing's league
@@rickdubbink nope the first batch of the eurofighter is pretty close and there is a reason they got in service at the same time 2006. btw they are close in optic too because j10 is a wish eurofighter, chinese like copying and the j10 won over the eurofighter 9-0 in a exercise
@@Luisasophie163sounds like some cope in there
@@rickdubbink Pakistani J-10c beat Qatari Eurofighter 9-0 in air to air combat exercise. It included BVR and Dogfights.
I’m so sick of seeing the temu eurofighter every game. 😂
It's chinese, so no, i'm not gonna touch it.
@@Karter_Blackpaw shame :( Pakistan tho...
lol what a petty person
Lee really be having an affair leaving the eagle behind
@@weltall7283 NAAAAAH. Eagle still ON TOP.
@@GeneralLee2000 we need eagle with 9M3 / 9Xs and 120C-5s NOW (insert clueless emote here)
Wassup lee?
i completely agree with @ItzCPU_