Planescape Torment Best Ending w/ dialogue
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Not exactly the BEST BEST BEST ending due to a million different ways to approach this, but best in the sense that the nameless one comes to "know" himself, merge with TTO, revive his fallen friends, and say his goodbyes before finally accepting his fate.
game of the year all years, also new torment game
torment.inxile...
"Time isn't your enemy- forever is."
dontcrydontcrydontcry
...;_;
Direct quote from TNO "If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can. I’ve seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil hag's heart half-circle. This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not.
That’s what I used to win the game. That very quote was inspiring beyond belief for me. This whole game was a philosophical head trip.
This is probably the best game ever made.
I absolutely love this ending, and the last minutes with your party, it's both bitter and sweet at the same time and extremely satisfying.
Every time I play Grace's words really get to me, that last conversation with her just brings a little bit of hope into the mix.
It's frikkin painful that this game wasn't the template for future RPGs.
Good thing Disco Elysium changed that.
@@myilmazalper How does Disco Elysium even come close to P:T?
@@billyberrington Disco Elysium took inspiration from planescape torment
@@ryno_8848 as much as i enjoyed DE - it wasn't even close to depth and variety of Planescape, sadly. Still a good game though
@@Kekster3000
Try it again. They've added questlines tied to your political alignment... and full voiceover
What stuck me most, is that actual ending is sculped right at the start, and final battle takes place at the begining. You are being foretold by your deceased love about everything, you only have to choose means on how to get there. Flashback story, sense of inevitable end and amazing art that holds against curse of time are traits of this masterpiece. Play it if you didn't, and prepare to be amazed.
"I shall wait for you in the death halls; my love"
:'( :'( :'( Time is not your enemy. Forever is.
"I couldn't carry any more so I had to drop it."
"I'm gone."
brad surname "I feel stronger"
***** Journal entry day ???: FUCK! Im the blood war! Falls From Grace better bail my ass out...
"Mine's not working on this thing!"
"I'm hurt!"
And that's the story of how the nameless one came to curb stomp the blood war
nah. He's just a random soldier among billions that have similar stories.
@@foxmulder8955 He has the power and experiences of all of his incarnations + the TO. He'd curbstomp everyone..
@@foxmulder8955 He can talk people out of existence, he is not just another "random soldier".
Hed curbstomp noone. He is not there because he stumbled on it and joined the fray. He is there as punishment. He died and was SENT there. He is just a footsoldier in an infinitely futile conflict that exists only to show the self-defeating nature of evil. No glory. No heroics. Just senseless, brutal and utterly pointless conflict across the plains.
Its similar to Jon Irenicus in Baldurs Gate II. When he dies he confronted by shadowy demons there to torment him. In life hed reduce them all to ash in an instant. In death he is powerless to stop them as that is his fate.
@@lucasbrant9856 Every drunk moron from Sigil is capable of this. Nameless one is no different and that's the point.
Nameless One arrives in Baator:
""I feel stronger"
attacks the first demon in sight:
"I'm goin'"
realizes his normal axe can't harm demons, and he left Dak'kon back in the Fortress:
"Mine's not working on this thing!"
the demon tears off his head
"I couldn't carry any more so I had to drop it."
his headless body is then cast upon a heap of corpses
"Updated my journal."
+whade62000 my Nameless One is a Mage, i don't need weapon
SubBlaze1 The upgraded one is a Mage/Warrior/Thief
mine was unstoppable, not a chance!
Considering it's a blood war battle field literally every weapon lying there is probably cold iron or otherwise enchanted weapons suited to killing fiends or demons.
The sheer awesomeness of the final scene in Baator is beyond comprehension.
Endure, and in enduring grow stronger.
Lolita And The God Of Rape In knowing the teachings of Zerthimon, I have grown stronger.
+Jonathan Zieg I hope no one tells him those are fake.
@@ChuckPalomo Even if it was made as a ruse. It still holds truth.
@@ChuckPalomo Beliefs are strong when you put action in it.
Depending on your actions and how you've developed your TNO, you will have different options that lead to failure or success depending on that history. Do you know the secret language of Uyo and its significance? Did you find the sounding stone? The blade of the immortal?
You can possibly end up convincing, threatening, mentally controlling, suicide or fighting your way out of the end. How you can even compare this ending as on par with ME3's "the ending has a different color" is beyond me.
Because mass effect 3 actually wrapped up story threads throughout its entire game and was by far more of an epic culmination of a story told through three games rather than one.
Cry more
@@LucasCarter2 Enormous L take
I still remember my own ending - similar to this one, but as I recall there wasn't even the threat of the blade. I just talked him down. It was the most unique final boss fight I'd ever experienced, and still is to this day.
That is the last time The Nameless one updated his journal . . .
Last entry: I know my name. I am.
P.S.
Whoever finds this should not try following me. Only Torment is what ypu find.
And Fall from Grace will go and look for you. This might seem a quite sad ending, but There is yet hope for the Nameless One.
Who is everyone's favorite party member character? Mine is Dak'kon. He has the best back story in my opinion and has the best ending as well. When you find out he had been there before with TNO and (if you're alignment is good) tells you that you are a better person than your previous incarnation is just epic.
Mine is Morte, I just love that chattering skull.
Annah, love the Scottish fiend lass :D
This music gives me goosebumps instantly every time I hear it.
I am in tears, love love this ending!! Thank you
This part of the story springs from one of the three cornerstone principles of the Planescape setting: the Unity of Rings. It states that everything has a tendency to come back to its starting point, both physically and metaphorically. The other two principles are the Rule-Of-Three, which is discussed briefly in-game and which is exactly what it sounds like, and the Center of All, which argues that for any subject, the multiverse centers on *them*. The last one isn't really played up in-game.
4:07 - As much as I love the ending, I hated that they made Fall-from-Grace seem like TNO's love interest, especially if the player romances Annah.
"Time is not your enemy. Forever is.
Should I make it to old age, this quote will still be in mind.
I think he has already accepted everything that he is and has done. Two things remain, then: reparations and, eventually, self forgiveness. Because he's going to need the latter if he intends to fulfill the former correctly, because he'll need to work from places OTHER than the Gray Wastes to do that. All the same, a few millennia in hell might still provide some much needed voluntary soul cleansing first. Hm... but he did say that time works differently in hell, so maybe he'll get to meet his companions in the meanwhile. Well, the ones who would both still be alive, or "alive", and WANT to make the trip for him anyway.
Considering what the Wastes of Hades do to people, especially long-term visitors who came alone, he's going to need them.
I would be rather pessimistic about his fate. He's a slave of inconceivably powerful entities and the possibility of redemption was never a part of the deal. He will fight forever in a never ending war.
@@foxmulder8955 Then fourth edition hits and the blood war ends and TNO says: "huh, neat".
@@Darkwizzrobe or maybe he ended blood war...After all, not every day you get max level fighter, wizard, thief and priest(his mortality was priest for some reason). It's more then enough to shift balance in favor of one faction.
@@SapFeaRon I could see it. The Nameless one finally dies, and in doing so, pivots the conflict to FINALLY finish. His final and total role is done. It's finished. He's done what he was intended to do after all this time.
Fall from Grace is more romantic than Annah xD, I was able to kiss Annah but the final conversation is the same as yours D:. Instead of Fall from Grace i had, sadly, Vhailor lol... . Fall from Grace is now one of my favourite.
The Lieutenant of Barad-dûr You didnt find Vhailor's words of comfort romantic?
"If you somehow escape your fate, know I will find you..."
*Sniff* gets me every time!
I'd never hang out with such party poopers, even grace has a lot of sass
U can kiss annah?
Not all games have to have a golden ending. This fits with the narrative and themes presented in this fantastic game. In other words, it fits.
Play the game, then come back and tell me this isn't a good game because of the ending.
This ending makes a fantasy feel real. Any other ending would take away from the experience. This ending stays with you.
YOU ARE UNWELCOME HERE, BROKEN ONE
Just finished the game Fall from Grace is now one of my favorite characters, love her :)
This game changed my life.
Funnily enough, I also thought of PS:T's ending when I saw ME3's one. But the difference is, in PS:T you got all important things answered, there were no plot holes, no threads left dangling. The issues with your companions were resolved and there was a great sense of closure at the end. You got everything you deserved to get, considering how you played. ME3's ending was a mess and utterly unsatisfactory. And too bad, because the game up until then was quite nice.
One suggestion for videos like this in the future - hold off progressing dialogue a bit longer. I'm a swift reader, but had to pause regularly just to read the shortest lines.
E: didn't realize this was uploaded ten years ago, but you get the point :)
"Time is not your enemy, forever is".
The "best" ending would actually be using the Bronze Sphere to recover the first incarnation's memories and then using your true name to reabsorb The Transcendent One. This method doesn't allow The Nameless One to recover his original memories.
David Carper Also, where my Nordom/Vhailor at?
Good question. I usually talked Vhailor into passing on but I always brought Nordom with me... such a fun character, well worth the enormous pain in the ass it took to recruit him.
Vhailor was only really good for getting Celestial Fury for free, but combat was mostly a formality in PST so having the best weapon wasn't really that important anyway and it prevented you from redeeming Trias.
It's a little subjective, but I think there is an even better ending than that. You can convince TTO to join you back, because you analyzed that he is getting weaker with time, and has become a prisonner of this fortress. Convincing him finally that you will face your trial together, although he still hates you, he accepts.
How so? Doesn't merging with TTO give you all your memories back?
@@paytonholmes6019 only his mortality and some skills TTO gathered in his prime.
Sorry to disappoint you, but this game was made by Black Isle, not Bioware.
Grown men ok to cry:
-When you grant Dak'kon his freedom, and immediately go to hell.
And yet you're free from immortality which was worse... ? Aaah so much questionables outcomes.
Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me."
Bear in mind that many of the fans of Planescape Torment also hated Mass Effect 3's ending, and with good reason.
People were unhappy with ME3's ending because the player was robbed of control of the protagonist. We were given the opportunity to play therapist to an insane AI, but we weren't allowed to play therapist to an insane AI.
The two endings are polar opposites of storytelling.
I like to think the nameless one fought his way out of the blood war
They should make this game into a tv series.
@FIRINM4L4Z0RS: If you don't have any qualms with playing dated games then you should definitely get this one. IMHO this is by far one of the best crafted RPGs to have ever been made for PC.
- What is the point of a second Planescape: Torment if the Nameless One found his mortality and went to the Blood War to get himself killed?
i understand your feelings. Sometimes when things get bad for me, I tend to repeat *endure, in enduring, grow strong*. Lol.
Its very hard for any game to get on par with planescape story...the ending of ME seemed rushed to me and many people hate it because shepard died at the end. Torment prepares you to die all the time because youre actualy looking for a way to die...and after finding a out youre still shown marching to battle at the end...what can beat that:D
Also in PST the protagonist goes out in a blaze of glory, both figuratively (having been at peace with his past) and literally (for once, helping his companions overcome their torment ,which he caused, therefore redeeming himself) .
Phew finally! Took some twists and turns and NOTs * KNOTs? Never wishing for anything ever again.
belief can change the nature of a man :)
@Cryos737 Actually, a few weeks ago I decided to give it another go. I got addicted. I beat the game just minutes ago and I can tell you that this game is art and one of my favorite games of all time. I dont think Ill ever forget this saying: What can change the nature of a man?
We are going to need another Tony Jay tough.
@whitetrashoutlaw do you? I think only the bronze sphere is necessary + asking the good incarnation the right question. you may be right though, I've always finished with quite high wisdom, as this gives you best dialogue options
Still as stunning as it was all those years ago.
Like going to hell in planescape is the same as walking into another room in your house, nameless one will be all right, sure he will have fun in the bloodwar of avernus
I don't recall ever claiming that you agree with me. Too bad that you don't, but I predicted that the Mass Relays would be used as a weapon ever since the first game, and many others predicted the interference of a god-like creator of the Reapers at the very same time. Seeing that the elements were that easy to foresee, they fit the information that was available very well. I had actually expected a bigger surprise, considering how out of left field some of Bioware's endings come.
Only way this brilliant hybrid of literature and gaming could be improved is by allowing you to keep every party member and let them all go at the end.
In my view Dak'kon and The Nameless One separated not only as Master and Slave, but as friends with mutual respect for to *know* oneself you must sometimes go by yourself, without aid or guidance.
Planescape Torment doesn't inevitably end in the protagonist's death.
Mass Effect 3's ending only compares to that of Planescape Torment in that they both had a golden opportunity to argue with the antagonist. Unfortunately, Casey and Mac squandered that opportunity in favor of pseudo-artistic nonsense.
@Glaruf There's just something about his voice. It's probably meant to be stoic and meditatie and all that good karmic stuff, but it comes off as if he's thinking, "I'd rather be doing a thousand other things right now." I think it's more of the tone itself. But cool connection with Captain Zapp, didn't consider it like that before!
Seriously, people complaining about the Mass Effect 3 ending because 'Shepard dies' clearly were in diapers when this game was released. I just finally decided to sit down and finish Torment, and the first thing I thought was 'Damn, I guess at one point Bioware did know how to write a decent ending'. The exposition is there, there's an emotional hook, and a great and fitting conclusion. If only games nowadays could end like this.
if the Baldurs gate enhanced editions sell well its a strong possibility it will get the same treatment
Well the thing is that the voice acting if done right can add to athmosphere of the game.
epic ending epic game this game will never be forgotten
Tony Jay!!!
...I don't care if this game is old. I MUST HAVE A SECOND PART WITH THE NAMELESS ONE OFFING DEMONS AND DEVILS USING AN ACTUAL SWORD! And more Morte, of course.
***** Please no. The game is fine as it is, it really doesn't need sequels.
B-but, my sword...
+figureLP09 There will be a spiritual successor, the Torment: Tides of Numenera. It won't contoniue the adventures of TNO, but it will have the same feeling, I guess. =)
+figureLP09 You can use Trias sword if you have a good lawful character
@dtr19 Mine was Annah, but I agree that Dak'kon was the most fleshed out of them all. I guess I just felt more attached to Annah than to all the other characters, and that's in part thanks (but not limited) to her awesome dub. The sort of irish accent was truly fitting of her character.
Morte deserves a special mention, though. He really helped liven up an otherwise grimdark setting that P:T had going without going overboard.
All in all, there is no single character I dislike in the game.
I'd rather just not surrender to him, keep my immortality and be a general all round badass but different points of view I guess.
GentlemensUppercut Except then only your body would be immortal, the mind would die over time.
Yeah, this is one of the plot holes of the game. It seems the Nameless One's immortality curse has finally "stabilized" or something, finally working the way it was supposed to. This issue even comes up in the final conversation with the Transcendent One (aka the NO's mortality).
+CountBifford It has only "stabilized" briefly. It's mentioned several times throughout the game that he could lose his memories at any moment if he dies too often.
This doesn't happen, for gameplay reasons, I'd assume.
The deaths that steal his memory are the ones caused by the shadows.
Lurdiak The shadows are people who died in his place to fuel his resurrections. The NO encounters these shadows in the final level, and if they kill him there he doesn't lose his memory.
It don't get real until the MC starts using capslock like a madman!
Wait a second, if you revive your companions at the end shouldn't Vhailor then come back to life for real, instead of just coming back to "ghost life"?
ChuckPalomo As if Justice would want to be bound by flesh again
Rensune He did seem pretty upset when he remembered what the nameless one did to him at the pillar of skulls.
ChuckPalomo I talked him down, can't remember if I did that before or after
Rensune Don't think you can talk him down once he goes all ghost rider on you. Both times he regained his memory in my game he immediately aggroed so I had to put him down and reload a save
I came to think that the "Justice" is a product of his mind. The game explains many time that simply believing in something can make it exist. Which could explains why "Justice lends him strength" when facing a stronger injustice. Which could also explain why Vhailor was an exceptional Mercykiller, because he believed more than anyone.
Nameless > Abdel Adrian > Hero of Icewind Dale.
I love Icewind Dale as a game but holy shit the protagonists in Baldurs Gate and Torment are literally just God's.
The Nameless One is more than god. He is black hole wandering through Planes, dragging Torment in his wake.
@bluedeath87 either by remebering your name (from the bronze sphere that you've found for pharod), threathening him with golem blade, or really high intelligence & wisdom
@xRH84x I didn't do all the sidequests but I did every one that I ran into. It all boiled down to about 25-30 hours.
Dak'kon is my favourite character.
It's funny how people say that ME3 made no sense, considering that many people, including myself, predicted great chunks of it as early as when ME1 came out. It wasn't a huge twist at all, and fit perfectly with my expectations. The only thing that I was left missing was a couple of sadistic choices.
People who insist on lack of internal consistency never got the Mass Effect franchise in the first place.
On the plus side, you are no longer an amnesiac, now had all your skills in your many lifetimes back, plus the powers of the Transcendent One, making you effectively a physical god. The demons of the Blood War are in for a BIG trouncing...
Is that Tony Jay!? Awesome.
Did Tony Jay even remember how many times he played an eldritch being
Just a casual stroll down into the Blood War, no big deal.
Combat magic was so good, time to practice on some more targets.
The ending had to go through quick revision, which is why it was originally published in a clearly unfinished state, but it was for the better by a long shot. The stupidity that was the "Dark Energy"-ending was thankfully wiped out like it never existed, as it would have destroyed the franchise for all time (Mass Effect without mass effect? Yeah.).
The actual ending fortunately fixed the matter, and contains a promise of future games to come.
By the time she find him he would probably had carved out a small empire for himself in Baator.
@Slydefy oh, there was time when games took 30 hours without sidequests, hundreds with them.
the memories...
Best ending is becoming the Silent King.
too bad you missed so much in the conversation with TO he has much to tell. btw you don't need the blade to reunite with TO. if you remember your name u can also force him to reunite
Correction: it's opaquely hinted that Shepard *might* live in one of the endings.
I thought of a better Ending/Beginning.
(You must gather your Party before venturing Forth)
That last conversation with Grace is probably the most romantic moment i encountered in video games - and this game doesn't even have proper (in the modern sense) romances to begin with.
@dejvo0 Also WAY better ending because of the part when you get your name again too. It is just hard because you have to have a pretty high charisma and intelligence in order to get the different parts of you to reunite with you.
Thank you for uploading this, I spent so long on this game only to find out that the final level was bugged to the point where you couldn't get the ending.
I feel kind of cheated, but this helps.
(Also why didn't TNO tell Dakkon about the circle? I was kind of hoping he would ease his mind)
...But he basically sits forever in that chair, doing pretty much nothing. And eventually goes insane. And STILL sits in that chair.
That kind of sucks.
*insert a sad version of Komm, Süsser Todd*
The endings would have been connected with the alignment system and would each present a different ending to the question (which else? :D) "What can change the nature of a man?". In the EVIL ending (this one) its - nothing, that's why TNO is send in the Blood War - if nothing can change the nature of a man - the evils he has done - he cant achieve redemption. The NEUTRAL ending would have left him in the Blood War again, while in the GOOD he would have achieved the True Death.
What is that final battle in the last cinematic though? I didn't understand that part.
Its forever fighting in hell. Its never ending.
@@VITAS874 cool, thanks
So is he ended up in the first layer of gray waste? I mean those fights, i'm just assuming its the blood war, it might be the acheron plane though, since i can't rly make up the races that fighting.
He go in hell...
TONY JAY!!!!
Another thing: why Nameless One start to remember with this last incarntion? I finished the game several times and tried all the dialogue and all the possible endings, but I still have these doubts I mentioned. What do you think about?
I wrote these things on various videos, I apologize but I'm really curious to know what you think...
Just beat the game. I am glad I got the best ending.
what is the true nature of a man? sadistic killer with no heart and icy blood
I agree. ME3 was like a Hollywood movie. The ending felt rushed and extremely confusing to a majority of fans. Planescape is the kind of game you can tell had shitloads of effort put into making it. The ME3 ending felt too rushed to make any sense. PST might not have a very info-filled epilogue(what happens after TNO leaves the fortress), but it leaves you with a lot of possible guesses; guesses that aren't hard to fathom with all the back story provided. ME3 ending explanation made no sense.
"LAST WEILDER OF THE KARACH BLADE"
boy, OG Torment had some bad typos, lol
Ending bugs for me, when ressurecting morte he gives me the very first dialogue in the game, the mortuary dialogue,it's very strange
Planescape being Planescape, these rules are likely tautological - they hold true because people believe them to hold true.
I have insight into the human condition because of this game.
Honestly I kinda wish they'd make an actual legitimate sequel to this game. Give the 'Nameless One' A name and have you start out fighting in the blood war.
Then he would no longer be The Nameless One. Everything necessary is told in this. Of course Fall-From-Grace or Morte could have tales of their own.
PLEASE TO ANY GAME DEVELOPERS WHO MIGHT BE LISTENING!! MAKE A DAMN SEQUEL OR A PREQUEL OR A REBOOT! ANYTHING!!!
well, how can you be sure he would be in baator? A man such as him, having experienced all paths of alignment would likely not lean toward chaotic evil or lawful evil forces in the war, more likely he is to forge his own path, its hard to tell how he will proceed but no matter what he does he is far greater than all of the powers and even lady of pain herself....god i wish there was some way to find out :(
You are exaggerating the situation badly. Consider the fact that many professional writers have ended up changing the endings of their books in the last minute because they didn't like the original product. Believe it or not, a new ending can be made to fit with the stuff that was written earlier, and sometimes ultimately fits better than the original attempt.
The ending was made to fit with the information we were given in the earlier installments, not vice versa.