I've ridden both the CS and SS wheels. The CS hub engagement is amazing and the carbon spokes really do get the bike moving when you out the saddle. The SS wheels overall are fantastic despite the steel bearings and spokes. The steel bearings vs the cermanic where not even noticable but the biggest thing that I noticed was the engagement between the two versions. The CS has 3° of engagement whereas the SS has 10°. I'd like to see it come standard with a 52t 6° kit. Overall, the CS or SS are both fantastic wheels. Regarding the weight, aero trumps weight on any given day. Those moaning about them being heavy, I'd assume that your bike is on or below the UCI weight limit if not, SIS!!!
@@jackliu6600 The CS hubs are good. The sound is unique and has tone pitch chances as the wheel winds down but the biggest benefit is the engagement. When you turn you cranks, the hub engages almost immediately. The clang that you get with pawl and star hubs when you let of the power and engage again is practically eliminated which going up hill and having to change gears is great.
@@PatrickLino thanks brother. I do own the CS wheels and was given the opportunity to ride the SS but Im not a public influencer. I'll leave it to you. 😄
I'm absolutely with you on this, people may prefer the feel of a lighter wheel but deeper wheels are overall way faster (apart from the obvious extreme scenarios). I now solely ride a 69/75mm wheelset all year round and I ride in hilly-ish part of the UK.
Thank you for reviewing this wheels! I've been comparing 60 mm wheelset from various chinese brands and interested with this one from the internet specs but no one make the video about this wheels. I think you're the first one. Thank you, Bro!
Good point on the helix hub being too over engineered. I have the CS wheels, and absolutely love them, but started having an issue with the teeth "skipping"/"engaging" one and making a loud clunk noise when high power/torque applied. Elite has been very responsive in support messages though, so hopefully the issue will be resolved :fingers-crossed
@@PatrickLino They sent me new grease and tool for the ratchets which I just received yesterday. Unfortunately it did not resolve the issue. Currently awaiting their response to see what's next as a resolution.
Patty, another bangin (ayo) review video! I've been eyeing the Helix series myself and I didn't like they look at first but they've really grown on me. The gold trim looks lethal (if it goes with your frame color). I currently run 42mm deep wheels but I'm eyeing the Helix 57D SS to get more aero but really concerned about crosswinds as a lightweight rider (60kg). I thought maybe the wavy pattern would alleviate that concern but sounds like you didn't find a huge improvement so I'm doubting these now for myself. Thoughts on how much deeper the back wheel should be compared to the front to make it worth it? 5mm or 10mm? Keep it up!
Thanks watching! 57D SS would be a solid option for a set of aero wheels at your weight. F:47-52MM R:52-57MM. All deeper wheels inherently come with more crosswind instability, it's simply a matter of managing it. And not going too deep of depth for rider weight. The wave pattern does help yes, but I don't think it's as significant as the marketing claims. This goes for Elite, Zipp, and Princeton as well.
i would generally always choose the wheels that use a ratchet style engagement. it's just better. admittedly there's improved versions of that original DT Swiss patent but the original design continues to work exceptionally well.
Heeeere comes, the express!!! Steel spokes. Easy to replace. Dig that part. I guess there is only so much you can do with actual rim design, but they look...idk. They look like faux glossy Zipps, but there's no way around it. You're on 28's right?? How's the lateral stiffness??
Well...the lateral stiffness is better than the Velo Six haha. Standard stiffness (aye yo) similar to Elite Drive 65D. If anything the Helix are slightly stiffer.
Drive Helix 68D SS versus Drive 65D - Which would you choose? Both are the same price from Elite Wheels, and both are the deepest depth wheels on offer. Comfort vs weight. Unique design vs tradition. Easier hub maintenance vs 5 pawl design.
I would have preferred 22 or 23mm internal width for the lower tire pressure on 28c tires. However, the 105 Rule for tire/rim width has been debunked at this point. So running either 30 or 32c tires would be fine.
@@laurenz323 The Rule of 105 states that the rim must be at least 105% the width of the tire if you have any chance of re-capturing airflow from the tire and controlling it or smoothing it. - This theory has been debunked. So running wider tires that exceed this rule will still be just fine.
What's up bro. I heard that you need to put these wheels to test. But I wonder if you can tell right away how it feels regarding response and holding speed compared to the No6 Wheelset. I'll be pending. Greetings from Curaçao 🇨🇼 ✌🏽
Each wheel feels completely different from each other, because the intended purpose of each is different. One is intended with aerodynamics as priority. The other is for acceleration and climbing. Both handle their respective objectives very well. Regarding the theory of holding speed...there are just too many variables beyond wheels that would require a dedicated video (and scientific data) on its own.
@@PatrickLino I contacted elite and they gave me a 10% discount code. With the code they’ll cost about £810 posted. Thats damn good for the weight and specs.
Hey Pat! Was wondering if you have any 30c tyres to put on these and measure their eventual width and see if they bulb out of the rims’ width? Am interested in these wheels (57D), but would be looking to fit 30c tyres on them if I do get them.
21mm internals at 1400g? Nah. Save up a bit more for No.6 or CRWs. Even a conservative brand like Campagnolo now makes wheels with 23mm internals. Do better Elite. Edit: WTF it’s 1537g in 2024? With 21mm internals?
I think the problem is the use of steel spokes. Then again, it’s a budget wheel of a budget wheel, so I can see the use of cheaper and inferior spokes to cut some costs
@@slowcyclist4324 Perhaps I'm just getting older. Or realize of marginal the performance of carbon spokes. But I've really been appreciating the feel of steel spokes. I ride 10,000mi/16k a year. This is usually the time of year when comfort is priority over any small upgrades.
@@PatrickLino every single carbon wheelset since 2019 has been developed with tubeless application in mind. The backwards compatibility with tubes is a compromise. You don't get the proper intended level of.performance which the wheelset is designed by using tubeless
I've ridden both the CS and SS wheels. The CS hub engagement is amazing and the carbon spokes really do get the bike moving when you out the saddle. The SS wheels overall are fantastic despite the steel bearings and spokes. The steel bearings vs the cermanic where not even noticable but the biggest thing that I noticed was the engagement between the two versions. The CS has 3° of engagement whereas the SS has 10°. I'd like to see it come standard with a 52t 6° kit. Overall, the CS or SS are both fantastic wheels.
Regarding the weight, aero trumps weight on any given day. Those moaning about them being heavy, I'd assume that your bike is on or below the UCI weight limit if not, SIS!!!
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All the manufacturers are going for wider internal with and external. I hope to see a revision of these to be wider. Are the CS hubs worth it?
@@jackliu6600 The CS hubs are good. The sound is unique and has tone pitch chances as the wheel winds down but the biggest benefit is the engagement. When you turn you cranks, the hub engages almost immediately. The clang that you get with pawl and star hubs when you let of the power and engage again is practically eliminated which going up hill and having to change gears is great.
@@PatrickLino thanks brother. I do own the CS wheels and was given the opportunity to ride the SS but Im not a public influencer. I'll leave it to you. 😄
I'm absolutely with you on this, people may prefer the feel of a lighter wheel but deeper wheels are overall way faster (apart from the obvious extreme scenarios).
I now solely ride a 69/75mm wheelset all year round and I ride in hilly-ish part of the UK.
Thank you for reviewing this wheels! I've been comparing 60 mm wheelset from various chinese brands and interested with this one from the internet specs but no one make the video about this wheels. I think you're the first one. Thank you, Bro!
@@AvengerShuyin thanks for watching!
Whenever the video starts with a “yoooo” you know it’s gonna be a good one. Pure sound therapy. 🙏👂
(Breathes in deeply) "Yooooooo!"
THANK YOU! Exactly the review I was looking for.
Thanks for tuning in!
Good point on the helix hub being too over engineered. I have the CS wheels, and absolutely love them, but started having an issue with the teeth "skipping"/"engaging" one and making a loud clunk noise when high power/torque applied. Elite has been very responsive in support messages though, so hopefully the issue will be resolved :fingers-crossed
Is Elite sending you a new hub or set of star ratchets?
@@PatrickLino They sent me new grease and tool for the ratchets which I just received yesterday. Unfortunately it did not resolve the issue. Currently awaiting their response to see what's next as a resolution.
Patty, another bangin (ayo) review video! I've been eyeing the Helix series myself and I didn't like they look at first but they've really grown on me. The gold trim looks lethal (if it goes with your frame color).
I currently run 42mm deep wheels but I'm eyeing the Helix 57D SS to get more aero but really concerned about crosswinds as a lightweight rider (60kg). I thought maybe the wavy pattern would alleviate that concern but sounds like you didn't find a huge improvement so I'm doubting these now for myself. Thoughts on how much deeper the back wheel should be compared to the front to make it worth it? 5mm or 10mm?
Keep it up!
Thanks watching! 57D SS would be a solid option for a set of aero wheels at your weight. F:47-52MM R:52-57MM. All deeper wheels inherently come with more crosswind instability, it's simply a matter of managing it. And not going too deep of depth for rider weight. The wave pattern does help yes, but I don't think it's as significant as the marketing claims. This goes for Elite, Zipp, and Princeton as well.
I appreciate the list of wheels you’ve ridden with respective weight. Thx
Thank you! No clue why I didn't start doing this sooner.
i would generally always choose the wheels that use a ratchet style engagement. it's just better. admittedly there's improved versions of that original DT Swiss patent but the original design continues to work exceptionally well.
Great points. Thanks for watching!
Heeeere comes, the express!!!
Steel spokes. Easy to replace. Dig that part. I guess there is only so much you can do with actual rim design, but they look...idk. They look like faux glossy Zipps, but there's no way around it. You're on 28's right?? How's the lateral stiffness??
Well...the lateral stiffness is better than the Velo Six haha. Standard stiffness (aye yo) similar to Elite Drive 65D. If anything the Helix are slightly stiffer.
@PatrickLino Don't you dare speak evil of my beloved Velo6 wheels sir🤣🤣! The definitely look interesting and different. Great vid as always. 👍🏿👍🏿
@PatrickLino "standard stiffness" is wild b!
@@jimmynickelz I will NEVER ever recover from my previous comment yo 😩
Drive Helix 68D SS versus Drive 65D - Which would you choose? Both are the same price from Elite Wheels, and both are the deepest depth wheels on offer. Comfort vs weight. Unique design vs tradition. Easier hub maintenance vs 5 pawl design.
They look very cool, I will put them on my shopping list for the next build👊🫶
This particular version (steel spokes/bearings) makes a lot of sense. Thanks for watching!
25 mm internals & 1,400 grams woulda been awesome. would you mount 32 mm tires on the back?
I would have preferred 22 or 23mm internal width for the lower tire pressure on 28c tires. However, the 105 Rule for tire/rim width has been debunked at this point. So running either 30 or 32c tires would be fine.
Whats the 105 rule. I just know shimano 105@@PatrickLino
@@laurenz323 The Rule of 105 states that the rim must be at least 105% the width of the tire if you have any chance of re-capturing airflow from the tire and controlling it or smoothing it. - This theory has been debunked. So running wider tires that exceed this rule will still be just fine.
@@PatrickLino Extertal right?
@@laurenz323 yup!
My man, white shoes and black socks! Gotta get white socks since you're a pro 😏
I'm not even a professional adult.
@@PatrickLino 😂
Great video
Thanks for watching!
What's up bro. I heard that you need to put these wheels to test. But I wonder if you can tell right away how it feels regarding response and holding speed compared to the No6 Wheelset. I'll be pending. Greetings from Curaçao 🇨🇼 ✌🏽
Each wheel feels completely different from each other, because the intended purpose of each is different. One is intended with aerodynamics as priority. The other is for acceleration and climbing.
Both handle their respective objectives very well. Regarding the theory of holding speed...there are just too many variables beyond wheels that would require a dedicated video (and scientific data) on its own.
Should I get Drive 50d or Helix 57D? Now I have Edge 50d and are too soft and sometimes crosswind is a problem.
@@denis4tuna howdy. How much do you weigh?
@@PatrickLino I have 82kg, bike 8kg.
@@denis4tuna Interesting. I'm 76kg and have no issue with crosswinds with 60mm rims. I'd say get the 57D.
None of the discount codes work on these wheels 😢
@@atgnicyclist not even the Patrick10? Let me speak with Elite 😩
@@PatrickLino I contacted elite and they gave me a 10% discount code. With the code they’ll cost about £810 posted. Thats damn good for the weight and specs.
@@PatrickLino codice inesistente!
@@vincenzovitto7344 I spoke to Elite. The code works: patrick10
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Hey Pat! Was wondering if you have any 30c tyres to put on these and measure their eventual width and see if they bulb out of the rims’ width?
Am interested in these wheels (57D), but would be looking to fit 30c tyres on them if I do get them.
Elite's website says these wheels are optimized for both 28 and 30c tires. A local buddy here runs 32c. They look good. You'll be 👍🏾
21mm internals at 1400g? Nah.
Save up a bit more for No.6 or CRWs.
Even a conservative brand like Campagnolo now makes wheels with 23mm internals. Do better Elite.
Edit: WTF it’s 1537g in 2024? With 21mm internals?
8:38 - These Helix 68D wheels are 65mm deep though. I already mentioned in video how I would like see 22 or 23mm internals.
I think the problem is the use of steel spokes.
Then again, it’s a budget wheel of a budget wheel, so I can see the use of cheaper and inferior spokes to cut some costs
@@slowcyclist4324 Perhaps I'm just getting older. Or realize of marginal the performance of carbon spokes. But I've really been appreciating the feel of steel spokes. I ride 10,000mi/16k a year. This is usually the time of year when comfort is priority over any small upgrades.
@@slowcyclist4324 steel spokes or not, it’s still 21mm internals.
Still you can order same spec as No.6 wheels directly from Farsports for a 2/3 of the price.
Testing modern wheels using tubes is a joke. Get with the times
You are more within your right to elaborate. The viewers would really appreciate it too.
@@PatrickLino every single carbon wheelset since 2019 has been developed with tubeless application in mind. The backwards compatibility with tubes is a compromise. You don't get the proper intended level of.performance which the wheelset is designed by using tubeless
arent these just princeton knock offs?
Princeton was not the first to use this design.
@@PatrickLino is it zipp?
@@ronbelleza5588 So any wheel that is round is a knock off of the previous round wheel?
@@suhdud4646 im talking about the wave pattern. and seeing your comment being liked confirms my suspicion that this is a paid advertisement video.
@@suhdud4646 im talking about the wave pattern.
These wheels are ugly to me
What is your favorite looking wheel? Thanks for watching.