I Fixed The Abandoned 2 Million Dollar Concept Car For $150! First Drive Ended In Disaster!

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  • @LegitStreetCars
    @LegitStreetCars  Рік тому +134

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    • @cmdrcrimbo
      @cmdrcrimbo Рік тому +15

      The EV motor is connected wrong dude when you are in drive the EV motor is going backwards so the engine is allways fighting against it trying to go forwards that is why the ev motor bracket keeps breaking. If the engine is going forwards and the ev motor is trying to go backwards that is one of your problems.

    • @bradmorri
      @bradmorri Рік тому +6

      the engine moves the vehicle forward in drive. the EV moves forward in Reverse. I might want to check the polarity of the power connections to the electric motor. The van is trying to tear itself apart right now.

    • @rangelminaya
      @rangelminaya Рік тому +8

      I purchased the Carly because of your videos and it was the worst money I have ever spent. It worked the first 2 times and after that it reads the codes and when I clear it the check engine remains on. What a horrible product. Extremely disappointed that you even mentioned it on your videos but I understand that they are paying you for the promotion.

    • @stash0342
      @stash0342 Рік тому

      @@rangelminaya how u get it so fast

    • @rangelminaya
      @rangelminaya Рік тому +1

      @@stash0342 this is not the first video that he posts mentioning this device. I have had it for a few months.

  • @tavarish
    @tavarish Рік тому +2091

    man, this is a cool project!

    • @monnkr
      @monnkr Рік тому +225

      says the guy with a flooded p1 in his shop

    • @TheObiwantoby
      @TheObiwantoby Рік тому +28

      I hope it becomes fully operational.

    • @markg.2501
      @markg.2501 Рік тому +107

      Freddie, shouldn't you be working on something?

    • @SilentRacer911
      @SilentRacer911 Рік тому +40

      Yes, it is, but he needs to stop playing with the gear lever like that, it’s brain isn’t that fast, it’s from 08/09

    • @geocatwizard
      @geocatwizard Рік тому +38

      Worry about your flooded P1 first, you can watch other projects later, but right now that thing needs as much attention as possible if you're gonna finish it before the next millennium

  • @LostMyName15
    @LostMyName15 Рік тому +723

    EV mode in R and gas mode in D should give you a pretty big clue.
    Most AC motors can be reversed in software. Since it spent ages with basically no power, it's VERY likely that the controller lost it's settings.
    You definitely should chat with "Shawn" to see if there is such a setting in the controller. If the electric motor tries to "help" the fuel engine, it will fight it and can shake it to hell and back as you saw if the clutch engages.

    • @jamieman73
      @jamieman73 Рік тому +72

      Thank you, you saved me from typing my thoughts.

    • @ekaftan
      @ekaftan Рік тому +43

      Exactly what I was thinking....

    • @craigking5361
      @craigking5361 Рік тому +69

      I’m surprised he hasn’t worked it out, super simple as soon as it was full ev and went forward in R. Because the gas motor and the electric motor are spinning in different directions

    • @Bebeezy
      @Bebeezy Рік тому +33

      Same thing i was thinking. And thts why the bracket keeps breaking

    • @DdDd-ss3ms
      @DdDd-ss3ms Рік тому +27

      My thought too. seems the vibrating is because the gas engine and electric engine works opposite. Like with electric bikes, they also needs to be set into the right direction.

  • @DallasHerrmann
    @DallasHerrmann Рік тому +32

    As a professional mechanic, the cable management in that thing is terrifying.

    • @SirFloofy001
      @SirFloofy001 11 місяців тому +2

      As someone who works on his own cars, i feel better about mine.

    • @joebartlett1505
      @joebartlett1505 11 місяців тому

      That's why it's a prototype

    • @SirFloofy001
      @SirFloofy001 11 місяців тому +3

      @@joebartlett1505 its just my autistic brain working but i dont get it. Wouldn't you want it to be all nice and bundled since it is essentially a one of a kind show car? Like if you were an investor would you rather invest in a prototype vehicle that looks like a rats nest under the covers? Or would you rather invest in the team that actually took the time to build it properly?
      Probably why im not an investor, totally not lack of funds.

  • @tyty2209
    @tyty2209 Рік тому +305

    Amazing seeing this. Worked at Bright as my first job out of college. Didn’t know anything about engineering, had no real value to offer, and volunteered to work for free before they hired me to work in the office. I drove this thing down a narrow hallway in the Hyatt in downtown Cincinnati to get it into the atrium for a trade show back in 2010. Sweaty palms to say the least. Makes me really happy to see it again!

    • @ItsH2Os
      @ItsH2Os Рік тому +5

      you must know John Waters then!

    • @TireSlayer55
      @TireSlayer55 Рік тому +9

      that’s rad. it’s a small world sometimes!

    • @LyuboRyuk
      @LyuboRyuk Рік тому +1

      Great job

    • @MomJeans2
      @MomJeans2 Рік тому +4

      @@ItsH2Os The porn guy?

    • @1mowahhed1
      @1mowahhed1 Рік тому +1

      Maybe you can connect with him and give him tips

  • @ZombieSS77
    @ZombieSS77 Рік тому +405

    The motor shaking + running forward when in reverse could indicate that there is a motor phase / resolver / encoder wiring setup issue. If the motor is 3 phase (most are), swapping any two phase wires will cause it to run in the opposite direction. The question is what signals is the motor drive looking for. If you haven't already, find out what drive system it's using.

    • @banditrw27
      @banditrw27 Рік тому +42

      Exactly, leads are swapped 👍

    • @muramusan
      @muramusan Рік тому +29

      I feel they are swapped or they set up the motor and the EV motor on opposite rotations....

    • @murraymadness4674
      @murraymadness4674 Рік тому +20

      Yep, the motor controller is not in proper phase, which might just be sensor wires broken.

    • @maka5955
      @maka5955 Рік тому +25

      If the motor controller has to learn the motor every time it is disconnected from the battery. Trying rear wheels in the air?

    • @UKfromadrone
      @UKfromadrone Рік тому +26

      i had the same idea, i ran into the same problem on my ebike conversion when i screwed up.
      power leads/ phases are swapped, or hell even the hall sensors are wired the wrong way
      nvm just got that far in the video, im sure power leads are reversed, and when the car goes faster it tries to run on hybrid mode and the 2 motors are working against each other...
      reverse/drive being swapped is a sure sign
      edit:also im 100% sure that theres a door handle or at least a wire/reach behind the rear door panel on the bigger door. just the panel needs taking off

  • @jamesclaytonbowman5977
    @jamesclaytonbowman5977 Рік тому +5

    as someone who worked on the production crew for Garage Squad, I gotta say: you are making a great show on a shoestring budget!

  • @LegitStreetCars
    @LegitStreetCars  Рік тому +364

    I can't believe I'm almost at 1 million subscribers. Thank you so much for watching the videos and subscribing! Having my own car show has been a dream of mine since I was a little kid and I can't wait to bring you guys even more adventures for many years to come.
    Alex

    • @aaronbritt2025
      @aaronbritt2025 Рік тому +15

      You should consider doing a subscriber car show tour. Make it a charity event and I'm sure you'd be a hit everywhere.

    • @MaxBeecher
      @MaxBeecher Рік тому +4

      @@aaronbritt2025 the fill the van with cans event is a car show that's donating to a food pantry!

    • @LegitStreetCars
      @LegitStreetCars  Рік тому +17

      ​@@aaronbritt2025 June 24th at Cannonball Garage in Gilberts Illinois I'm doing just that. Come on out!

    • @lupulflamand5673
      @lupulflamand5673 Рік тому +1

      Almost there!

    • @ocularpressure4558
      @ocularpressure4558 Рік тому

      Love LSC & LOVE THIS EPISODE, I like how broad-spectrum this channel is you literally hit every vehicle and show the ins and outs of the problems to the pluses of owning the vehicle it’s awesome

  • @T_bone
    @T_bone Рік тому +172

    This would be a great full tear down collaboration with Rich Rebuilds. Make it everything it was supposed to be with what is known about hybrid vehicles now. Clean up the spaghetti of wires etc.

    • @czarwright
      @czarwright Рік тому +11

      Just what i was thinking, Rich and the van's old team, sort of phoenix project. ;)

    • @corydixon65
      @corydixon65 Рік тому +10

      I had the same thought but maybe Alex and Rich could hot-rod the van with an upgraded motor / controller / battery / software

    • @T_bone
      @T_bone Рік тому +12

      @@corydixon65 Anything would be better. If 65 people worked on this, and this is the best they could do!?!?I would hope it was only become of the lack of technical knowledge and this being largely experimental.

    • @colestowing8695
      @colestowing8695 Рік тому +7

      I kinda thought that's what was going to happen when he called rich...I definitely second this idea. Rich has a wealth of skills in this area

    • @T_bone
      @T_bone Рік тому +3

      @@czarwright My thoughts in the comment below.

  • @ndg49
    @ndg49 Рік тому +16

    I don't know of anyone else, Alex, who can take on such projects and do some amazing things. This one is definitely a huge challenge and I wish you all the good luck to make it work as it should. You could donate it to a car museum once finished and use it as a charitable donation. 🙂

  • @andycanfixit
    @andycanfixit Рік тому +218

    Screen tip, as old as that screen is there is a good chance the screen is fluorescent backlit and the backlight is dead, or if it is an LED backlight it might be dead too. A good way to tell is hold a really bright small flashlight close to the screen with the vehicle powered on and see if you can see anything on the screen. It'll be very faint, but if you can it means the screen is getting data and working, but simply has a dead backlight. If that's the case the easiest approach is to carefully open it and see if you can get a model number, if it was a standard off the shelf screen you might be able to find another to swap it with. If it was a fluorescent screen and simply has dead bulbs, you might be able to find replacement backlight bulbs to swap them out. LED backlit will be harder to find parts for. But given the age I wouldn't be surprised if it was fluorescent backlights and they are simply dead at this point.
    Good luck!

    • @vom4164
      @vom4164 Рік тому +14

      You just helped me solve a problem on one of my Toyota celsiors! Ur amazing dude thank u so much 😊

    • @muppetpaster
      @muppetpaster Рік тому

      I bet there is NO screen....At least not a real screen...

    • @andycanfixit
      @andycanfixit Рік тому +12

      @@muppetpaster The engineer he talked to over the phone said it was real and had a lot of data on the ev system, so I'd put money on it being real, just defective, really not uncommon for old screens from that time especially if it wasn't rated for being in the heat of a car.

    • @jannejohansson3383
      @jannejohansson3383 Рік тому +2

      @@andycanfixit i think some vires busted and even some parts could removed. Behind that fake hatbox could have ansvers, if he finds way to open it. There could be almost anything.
      Starting to make some wirings to paper, it would be good start for diagnostics. Theres lot of work and some parts need to fix or change for sure.
      I hope if there's some custom controller, he could save program from it and code. Then it's yeasier to rebuild things. And he need's just one or two right guys to help him, who originally worked with this. But it's possibility that those guys are ready to shoot own head, than work or remember this project again.
      In first video with car someone said "they try to get REALLY HARD to make it work.."
      That tells a lot.
      Every input to controller should diagnostic and diggin the reason why it wants do that like grazy.
      So many reason could cause it..

    • @MadKingRALM
      @MadKingRALM Рік тому +1

      🤔 This is a very plausible theory. Would be interesting to try and see if it would be possible to replace the screen with a more modern touchscreen, depending on if it is an AIO assembly, or just a screen connected to a separate assembly.

  • @jacobcallahan4813
    @jacobcallahan4813 Рік тому +61

    Hearing that the CEO and others teared up when they heard its still around really warmed my heart, had a similar reaction when i finally was able to buy 71 Buick Riviera. Was similar to my dad's 72 but he had to sell it when i was little and then passed away when i was in highschool, currently fixing/repairing/ replacing 50+ year old parts to make her road worthy

    • @jacksong6226
      @jacksong6226 Рік тому +3

      I love the boatail rivieras you got yourself a nice car!

  • @SecretSauceyjuice
    @SecretSauceyjuice Рік тому +21

    That's actually pretty hazardous that you can get locked in there. Might want to resolve that and create and emergency exit latch before it happens to a kid or someone who doesn't know to keep the door propped.

  • @argentas
    @argentas Рік тому +71

    It was mentioned in the first video that the van worked in FWD mode using the engine, RWD mode using the electric motor, or both at the same time, and I suspect this happens depending on a combination of state of charge and power required to move the vehicle. Given the motor is currently running in the wrong direction, I suspect the shaking happens when the engine tries to start and the motor is already turning (or vice versa). Swap any two of the three phase cables to the motor to correct its direction, and at least then the motor and the engine wont be trying to fight each other.

    • @wailfaridi2070
      @wailfaridi2070 Рік тому +8

      This. It makes so much sense

    • @baselhs
      @baselhs Рік тому +18

      Yes! The marketing lady mentioned that the van was donated to a technical college. It could be that they plugged the wrong cables to the motor.

    • @SXV550
      @SXV550 Рік тому +3

      Bump so Alex reads this comment!

    • @beforebefore
      @beforebefore Рік тому +6

      THIS! The large EV motor uses 3 phase power, and like any such motor you can reverse any 2 of them to reverse its rotation direction.
      Do this before trying to drive it again... AND get all of those electric motor mounts repaired and strengthened! (not just one side)

    • @shanebeasley8191
      @shanebeasley8191 Рік тому +1

      this is what i was coming into the comments to write, glad to see someone else already beat me to it

  • @jorgeantonini201
    @jorgeantonini201 Рік тому +66

    Definitely need to make some kind of emergency pull for the rear door
    Take off the panel and run a cable to the latch so if you or anybody else ever gets trapped in just pull the latch and you’re out
    Like the emergency pulls in any other trunk

    • @peterquest6406
      @peterquest6406 Рік тому +3

      Nooo,it's more fun watching him get locked in there,let's see how many times he can do this before nobody helps 😂😂

    • @GrayRaceCat
      @GrayRaceCat Рік тому

      @@kruleworld This is only the second video of his I've ever watched and it's clear that he is his own worst enemy!

  • @darrellmallorca6032
    @darrellmallorca6032 Рік тому +2

    I have a better understanding of the challenges of making a car from scratch. Mad props for making mystery technology work even temporarily. What an amazing under taking

  • @VDPEFi
    @VDPEFi Рік тому +158

    Let's have a massive shout for people who can look at a bracket like that and say yep, I can repair that. Huge respect to such hugely skilled people.

    • @agoodballet
      @agoodballet Рік тому +9

      That guy probably looked at that bracket ant thought “not only can I fix it but I can build a complete new one”. It’s pretty easy to do stuff when you have the tools.

    • @Globbs
      @Globbs Рік тому +15

      thats like the most simple thing ever and I'm not even a welder. Alex digging into the wiring was way more scary and difficult.

    • @ItsDdvdd
      @ItsDdvdd Рік тому +16

      He didn't reinforce it though lmao. When metal's that thin the heat affected zone becomes a key failure point. Seeing as it already failed, it was doomed to fail again. Great execution, bad planning. Or good planning because he just set himself up for more work/exposure

    • @billyrubina
      @billyrubina Рік тому +7

      @@ItsDdvdd yep.
      The engineer or engineers on this project should be ashamed.

    • @agoodballet
      @agoodballet Рік тому +1

      @@ItsDdvdd shhh he just asked him to fix it lol. Now he’ll ask him to make it better. My motto is “you break you build” meaning if it breaks it needs to be built biggger better stronger smarter!

  • @davidt3563
    @davidt3563 Рік тому +25

    I've never been more excited and scared in a LSC video as this one. From getting locked in to expecting it to explode when plugged in to seeing a tender moment with the fam.
    What a wild ride lol.

  • @nicolasravegnani4889
    @nicolasravegnani4889 Рік тому +4

    I'd double the thickness of that broken engine bracket and check what it mount onto to see if that is also broken or even secured to frame, otherwise you're just going to have a repeat of being in a rattle.

  • @robertham3746
    @robertham3746 Рік тому +14

    My concern is how Reverse goes forward in EV, but backwards in normal engine- so the violent shake could be conflicting direction when it goes back to the engine when EV voltage drops too much

  • @Bozobi
    @Bozobi Рік тому +13

    I'd recommend to drop the electric motor assembly and battery along with the wiring, just to start over from the basics.
    It's mostly impossible to really resolve an issue with something so custom like a concept car. Sure you got engineers who built it, but with it being a decade later- I'm sure some memories are obscured. I love this series of the space van.

  • @drcyb3r
    @drcyb3r Рік тому +1

    I know someone working on VW (Volkswagen) prototypes here in Germany. He puts the parts into the car and tries to fit everything inside. He isn't allowed to tell much about what he does but he said that their prototypes are built with a really high quality.
    For me that concept car looks scary. The connectors (especially the HV ones) are crimped badly and you can see bare copper. Together with all those loose wires, I would be afraid of it starting a fire.

  • @danlargent3806
    @danlargent3806 Рік тому +66

    Dude thank God something didn't start going wrong with the electrical system creating smoke or fire while you were trapped in the van. Awesome job and video

    • @Beer_Dad1975
      @Beer_Dad1975 Рік тому

      IKR! This thing is sketchy as hell - how to fail to win a $450 million government contract - build a car out of plywood and wire it up like a birds nest, somehow spending $2,000,000 on something that looks like someone's home EV conversion project - someone pretty inexperienced at electrical engineering at that. I can imagine when the senators or whoever had the demo of this thing, they must have been "Yeah, nah"

    • @jasonw3303
      @jasonw3303 Рік тому

      What a way to go!

  • @CsabaTothMr
    @CsabaTothMr Рік тому +41

    Here is my thought about the shaking: as you demonstrated the EV-mode thinks that R is drive and D is reverse. Whereas the ICE mode / side thinks D is drive and R is reverse. My hunch is when it's shaking then the electric motor unnecessarily try to strain itself backwards and some unintended clutch mechanism prevents it (since breaks are always stronger than the engines). If you may switch the EV to also act like D is drive and R is reverse maybe the shaking will be solved?

    • @Adr_Jim
      @Adr_Jim Рік тому +1

      You are right on that BUT... Like said before me the van also do it in Park. I think it's a controller issue.

    • @jannejohansson3383
      @jannejohansson3383 Рік тому

      That could be tested just changing two of three motor wires cross. Then it spins different direction.
      Controller have maybe died capasitors, or what ever.
      It should removed and could it be opened? Or do they 'clue' those with epox in one big brick?

  • @Stuloud
    @Stuloud Рік тому +2

    You Rock man! I am in awe of your skills. I am a gear head and a Electronics Tech. I can so relate to what you are doing here with the Space Van!

  • @invicta6110
    @invicta6110 Рік тому +55

    I think my first priority would be to get a safety release for that back door! Getting to watch you try to get something this unique back on the road has been fun, keep 'em coming!

    • @DaSuDanesi
      @DaSuDanesi Рік тому +5

      For sure. Two videos on this van and he's locked himself inside on both XD

    • @sana-cm7oc
      @sana-cm7oc Рік тому +8

      Locked inside a small room with a 12 year old lithium battery.

  • @aaron71
    @aaron71 Рік тому +62

    CLICKED SO FAST!!!

  • @billroberts9044
    @billroberts9044 Рік тому

    OK, As an electrical contractor, you've gotten me reved up to do an electric vehicle. So I just picked up a Free Used Barbie Jeep today and am going to spend 600 hours of one headache after another, retrofitting a high speed motor in it. It's good to know all I need to make it work is Use Plywood, with plenty of sketchy electrical connections, and an old iPhone glued to the dash.
    The similarities will be mind-boggling. 😂🤣
    Your van is the perfect example of too many clay modeling guys, trying to fix an electro-mechanical vehicle and following behind them is your biggest problem. Basic troubleshooting skills is your #1 best approach, following having knowledgeable guys making sensible comments.
    What a great video. Good Luck

  • @craigtorrcoleman3907
    @craigtorrcoleman3907 Рік тому +22

    Just a thought. From your previous video it looks like the gear selection under the hood is done with a electric linear actuator which you disconnected. Is there any chance of the following. 1. you didn't set it up exactly where it came off? so basically when your in D or R its not quite selecting properly. 2. Those actuators are slow to move which is probably why when your selecting a gear nothing happens for a while. I'd be inclined to get it on a ramp, get the wheel's off the ground and check the movement. I'd also assume that there is some sort of ECU controlling the linear actuator for when to put it into gear as in full EV mode you would only want the ICE gearbox in neutral, the petrol engine would also have an inhibitor to start when in gear. Hope these ideas help.

  • @werewolfpig114
    @werewolfpig114 Рік тому +6

    How this thing didnt burn into the ground the second someone botched it together is beyond my comprehension... you are one brave man trying to get this 4 wheel elctric chair back to life.

  • @MAKABALLA
    @MAKABALLA Рік тому

    “Daddy’s alive!” Super heart warming❤

  • @agoodballet
    @agoodballet Рік тому +42

    Check that you’re plugged into a higher (20) Amp outlet in your shop. Also if it’s a lithium battery like in my RC cars and it has multiple cells it might need to be charged and balanced. Hopefully actually having a good charge makes it work.
    Edit: as soon as I was done making this comment he said he talked to someone about balancing it so I’m glad he knows!

    • @Puppy__Nietzsche
      @Puppy__Nietzsche Рік тому +3

      How would he not know that going into an EV project? He's just playing it up for the camera

    • @phrg8332
      @phrg8332 Рік тому +2

      I think the problem is that the motor controller has reset, which is why it's going forward in reverse and banging around when it tries to kick in in drive

    • @GrayRaceCat
      @GrayRaceCat Рік тому +2

      Leaving a Lithium battery plugged in for a week is not 'balancing' the cells, it is asking for trouble. If this has a BMS and if it's working properly, then there are one or more bad cells. If it does not have a BMS, then cell damage due to over-charging or under-charging of individual cells is a distinct possibility.

    • @almostanengineer
      @almostanengineer Рік тому +1

      @@GrayRaceCat given that the engineer who worked on this said to leave it plugged in, would suggest it has a BMS

    • @FAB1150
      @FAB1150 Рік тому

      ​​@@GrayRaceCatacks with multiple cells in series (anything higher than 4.2/4.3V basically) must have a BMS or it's just gonna overcharge the cells the moment they start getting unbalanced, and eventually burst into flames.
      That said, most BMSs only balance when the cells are full. Given the pack energy capacity in an electric car, it's reasonable to leave it plugged in for a few days to let it balance as it's a slow process. The cells won't like it, batteries don't like being at 100% for days, but it's necessary. It's also reasonable to think that the cells got unbalanced after years of storage, as the BMS doesn't balance when the battery isn't charged. If it did, it would just keep discharging cells to balance them and eventually kill the pack.
      The way it balances isn't by over-charging some cells until they're all the same, it's by charging normally until series bank gets to 100%, and discharging it while it charges the other ones, until all of them are at 100%. No cell gets overcharged by doing this, but it's fairly slow.

  • @Sammyadams432
    @Sammyadams432 Рік тому +18

    I would like to comment about the indicator being backwards when in EV mode. If it has to be in reverse to go forward and drive to go backwards you should be able to reverse the polarity of the wires of the electric motor. If it’s brushless then swapping 2 out of the 3 wires will change the polarity too. Definitely some sensor issues with the inverter feeding the motor to cause it to shake like that.

    • @Coffee_Scroll
      @Coffee_Scroll Рік тому +3

      That's my thought, the motor wires are reversed. Engine drives forwards and electric motor tries to go backwards.

  • @gavanbrennan3637
    @gavanbrennan3637 Рік тому +3

    Congratulations on making progress, I have a maybach modded w203 benz, loads of features and extra wires everywhere. Has been a challenge. Unfortunately with these concept cars the best way to handle them is one wire at a time. Trace, track and tag and create your own diagrams for reference. Once you have an understanding of all the systems you might think of ways to streamline and improve them.

  • @SAMarcus
    @SAMarcus Рік тому +11

    As to your question about if other concept builds are janky, the answer is yes. I saw the inside of a concept aircraft and yeah, there were a LOT of questionable wiring choices and weirdly routed objects. I've also seen concept builds for specialized computer systems and the same thing, just very bad wiring, odd materials, and the whole look and feel of "whatever was lying around in the shop." When it comes to concept designs, building the prototype is often one of the screwiest things you'll ever experience.
    "Fred, we need another connection from this spot to that spot! What do we have?" "Uh, well, there's this chunk of leftover PVC we can connect with these random plumbing bits." "Make it so!"
    On a side note, with the length of the extension cord, you really should have pushed that thing outside before attempting to charge it, lol.

  • @LegitStreetCars
    @LegitStreetCars  Рік тому +6

    Come hang out and support a good cause at the "Fill the Van with Cans" event at Cannonball Garage in Gilberts Illinois on June 24th, 2023! I may have the space van there but I'll definitely have my supercharged 15-passenger Chevy Van so we can fill it up with food to donate. Can't wait to hang out with you guys and let me know what kind of car you're bringing!

  • @jdsteppenzyde
    @jdsteppenzyde Рік тому +1

    “Have you tried turning it off then turning it on again…” Roy, The IT Crowd.

  • @ItsJust2SXTs
    @ItsJust2SXTs Рік тому +13

    Since the battery wasn't charging for that long, the chemistry inside was just "inert" now that you charged it the chemistry goes back to life. I see that with old laptop batteries, some not charged for 5+years that doesnt take the first charge very well on a specialized li-ion charger not the laptop, instead of going to 4.1V they are stuck a 3.4-3.8V /cells because Lion battery are charged in constant current until the charging voltage is reached. So when the voltage doesnt go up stay still for 10+minutes I stop charging let them cool down, some get warm but not hot, some stay cold as stone. Than after a day I charge them backup an now they goes up in voltage and store more energy. I could take several charge to fully reactivate the chemistry.I think what happend is the same for the first charge, then you plug it for 15min like you said, voltage goes up. They may have programmed a threshold to enable the EV part like 31XV, so the battery voltage rise because it was charging, goes above that min starting threshold, you unplug it, you drove it but now you reached the min running threshold that could be below the min starting threshold. try to charge it again a few time stay near it in case of fire, the more energy in the battery the more energy in the fire as cell can runaway.

  • @Sauerbrew777
    @Sauerbrew777 Рік тому +9

    The outside of the SpaceVan actually looks really good! If the original drivetrain can't be fixed, I hope you do a swap of some kind. Something like the guts out of a wrecked Tesla or Volt!

  • @Landongames14
    @Landongames14 Рік тому +8

    Loving this series, you have the best variety on your channel, and Max is killing it with the editing!!!!!!

  • @conliffeiain
    @conliffeiain Рік тому

    The fact that every time it bucked like that you said "Oh darn" and not an incredible long string of expletives like I would've done surprised and impressed me

  • @vonderdornburg
    @vonderdornburg Рік тому +5

    It would be cool if you invited an EV guy to do an episode with you. But love your problem solving skills. 😊

  • @aaronbritt2025
    @aaronbritt2025 Рік тому +39

    I think for some reason, the electric motor clutch isn't disconnecting. When you start the van, the motor is probably supposed to run for a few seconds as a "self test". Normally, if the clutch is disconnected that's not a problem, but with the clutch connected, you get that banging. Could also be the clutch engaging and disengaging due to low voltage. Also, with D and R being reversed, just swap the power wires at the motor to correct this.

    • @joey_f4ke238
      @joey_f4ke238 Рік тому

      I doubt they had the power wires reversed since it was a driving prototype, most likely there is some sensor or wire damaged that freaks out the controller

    • @prancerthecatto
      @prancerthecatto Рік тому

      @@Nighterlev It's the power wires

    • @P_RO_
      @P_RO_ Рік тому

      @@Nighterlev Yep- you win the internet today 😁

  • @jonfreeman7486
    @jonfreeman7486 Рік тому

    Currently working on my inherited ( from my father) who passed in Feb. 02 silverado.5.3 2wd extended cab. I am working on it while also using it daily for my new business. Going to lift slightly, repaint new wheels and tires, shocks. It's a lot but I love it.

  • @Shiftheads
    @Shiftheads Рік тому +16

    Hey great job being out of the comfort zone and working on this. Another great resource that I'm sure would help you is the professor at Weber automotive on youtube. He'd at least be able to give a lot of safety pointers as they have torn apart a lot of EVs and battery modules. If you end up replacing the battery, get a used chevy volt pack as there are a lot of options that are cheap for a BMS to manage the batteries and not have to worry about fires etc. They have enough voltage and discharge rate to run Tesla performance drive units too.

  • @TonyElam
    @TonyElam Рік тому +14

    That’s awesome to see you got to run it for a bit. Although you gotta go with the engineers advice about the batteries, I still wonder if the gas/electric motors are on the same page. It’s odd that Reverse is drive and vice versa. It seems like the sort of violent reaction throwing a car into reverse might have while driving forward.

  • @albertpeugh9367
    @albertpeugh9367 Рік тому

    I own a hydraulic repair shop and the coolest project I got to help with was rebuilding the landing gear on a Russian MIG. A very wealthy retired man with no Wife or kids (ever) retired and bought one in pieces. After 5-1/2 years he was able to go up (it’s a two seater) with the F-15 pilots at our local airbase piloting him.
    As there were Polish built it was quite the challenge as every single seal had to be made. But alas, we did finish it and he finished the jet. It took 6 months for him to get permission from DC for a real jet pilot to fly him up in his own Russian MIG.

  • @andrewturner67
    @andrewturner67 Рік тому +10

    It is ridiculous how vested I am with the space van. I'm literally talking to myself along with you trying to think of fixes lol. If I was not in Texas and much closer I would have to come help. This thing is just so intriguing and frustrating all at the same time. It is OK to do a 3 hour video next lol😂 Absolutely love your channel.

  • @TheBoringCreatr
    @TheBoringCreatr Рік тому +2

    Not bad. im really down to see this thing driving without issues. Shortening and cable managing cables to make it look cleaner is also a good idea when its fully done! Keep it up dude

  • @tjus3131
    @tjus3131 Рік тому +4

    I’ve had a lot of favorites on this channel but this one is “different”!
    Love you Alex!

  • @drb2323
    @drb2323 Рік тому

    "Daddy's alive" funniest thing ever on LSC.

  • @charliel2967
    @charliel2967 Рік тому +18

    AP, 23K to go. C'mon people, this channel deserves 1 million subs. I feel like I've been here watching history. Proud of you Alex, keep them coming, your the best. Love my Saturday content. It's such an immature honor to be your first viewer today!!!

  • @josephhuwe9720
    @josephhuwe9720 Рік тому +10

    Hey, Love the videos! Years ago, I converted an old Honda N600 to electric, about the same time frame as the space van was made. One thing I had was a PC, for reading and relaying motor controller data to a screen on the dashboard. While watching you go through the wiring, I thought I could see a portable PC with a DVI cable connected to it. My guess is those actual car engineers were able to have it activate via the ignition, but if not, you might have to try manually tuning on the PC. I wonder if that's what runs the screen on the space van, and maybe some more logic via software. If it is a PC, I would play around with it either in or out of the car and see what all you can find.

  • @libertythompson7773
    @libertythompson7773 Рік тому +1

    Great content, the fact that he has other nice and “reliable” cars but is taking on projects like this is cool

  • @pierre-davidmoreau
    @pierre-davidmoreau Рік тому +4

    You give me the passion back for cars i will do mechanic school part time just to learn and do mechanic for passion thanks for the content !!

    • @LegitStreetCars
      @LegitStreetCars  Рік тому +3

      Thanks for watching!

    • @pierre-davidmoreau
      @pierre-davidmoreau Рік тому

      @@LegitStreetCars I would love to see you work on a x5 35d 2011 generation this truck is such a beast the transmission can hold up 1000 pounds of torque stock insane!!! With only few modifications you can rise up the torque to 700 pounds !

  • @christopherkraft1327
    @christopherkraft1327 Рік тому +8

    Hey Alex, fantastic video!!! I've been waiting for this!!! The concept van is so exciting. Your videos just keep getting better!!! I'm glad that you got rescued from being locked in the van!!! 👍👍🙂

  • @ryanscott1989
    @ryanscott1989 Рік тому

    When he said "I thought we had it." He reminded me of Kip from Napoleon Dynamite when he ran over the plastic bowl with the van. 😂

  • @BigfootGoforth
    @BigfootGoforth Рік тому +5

    It looks like a three-phase connection, you should be able to switch any two wires and have it go the correct direction. Theoretically speaking.
    The issue you're having seems to be that the motor is trying to turn one direction which is why reverse is forward and forward and is reverse and when it comes time for the engine to kick on, which means the clutch is trying to engage two things going opposite directions

    • @xort3d
      @xort3d Рік тому +1

      This was my exact thought as well

    • @ericklein5097
      @ericklein5097 Рік тому +1

      Like someone pulled the EV motor out and when they put it back together they swapped the phase wires?
      I see other people talking about the controller losing its settings but I’m putting my money on someone fucking with this thing.

    • @BigfootGoforth
      @BigfootGoforth Рік тому

      Yes. Common in drone building

  • @Weidjeep
    @Weidjeep Рік тому +9

    Heads Up, Peter has started his own mechanic YT channel.

    • @randomdude4669
      @randomdude4669 Рік тому +1

      But apparently someone keeps striking his videos

    • @eecc17
      @eecc17 Рік тому

      What's the name of the channel

  • @Happymali10
    @Happymali10 Рік тому

    23:42
    Perfect moment to edit in stock footage of a big explosion.

  • @justaddafan
    @justaddafan Рік тому +5

    It wasn't the government's $450M. Guess who's it was?

  • @flightsimdev9021
    @flightsimdev9021 Рік тому +1

    I know what I would do, is completely rewire the van electric side and bring it up to code, prototypes are interesting, not just in the vehicle industry, but not knowing how anything was made and seeing the two videos so far, I think a rewire is the way to go

  • @DasKroenerTier
    @DasKroenerTier Рік тому

    Two times trapped? Boy, Alex!
    Next thing for the Space Van is building an inner Handle for the Transporting Area!

  • @iansmith3975
    @iansmith3975 Рік тому +6

    As a former government contractor, I can confidently assume that the “Bright Company” was more so a sketchy startup that was hoping to con their way into government grants and contracts. I will be in awe if this thing even gets 30mpg.

    • @DallasHerrmann
      @DallasHerrmann Рік тому +3

      I'm vigorously unimpressed if thisis what came out of $2 million in development.

    • @adamgrundy4327
      @adamgrundy4327 Рік тому +1

      @@DallasHerrmann don't forget it has been abandoned for 12 years at least. although it having wooden parts is very strange.

  • @Orbacron
    @Orbacron Рік тому +1

    You should definitely consider a different speed controller, and a manual gas engine/EV speed control main switch on the dash

  • @2LegitTooQuit
    @2LegitTooQuit Рік тому +7

    Another great drop Alex!!! Your happy demeanor, personality,excitement,etc is absolutely contagious and I freaking love it. I would have been the same way had I got some good progress on my concept van 😂💪👍🤞

    • @robertthabassist
      @robertthabassist Рік тому

      Especially the way he throws away people like garbage! Its awesome!

  • @danielhussey3631
    @danielhussey3631 Рік тому

    They spent $2 million on a prototype and didn’t have the insight to put a release latch in the back, give it power windows, and it has a plywood floor?? You are way more impressed with this concept than I am.

  • @benjaminkamben4908
    @benjaminkamben4908 Рік тому +2

    This may be a stupid idea. But since you have those large Anderson connectors, technically you could use a charger like what they used for the ride on floor cleaners or the self-propelled pushing brushed vacuums. As far as where to pick up one of these chargers pretty much any industrial cleaning supply place would have them. And if you have an Acme electric out there I'm pretty sure they would have them as well. It would be super slow charging because it's meant for batteries probably 1/3 of that size but if you can't find or Jerry rig something to charge the battery in that van that might be a good option for you. I learned all about the batteries and the Anderson connectors when I worked a job at a large Convention Center and we had a fleet of 15 right on floor cleaners as well as 10 self-propelled walk behind vacuums.

  • @SirFloofy001
    @SirFloofy001 11 місяців тому

    27:40 breaking news, man gets excited as electrons begin to move, more at 11!
    Jokes aside the fact that you were even able to get this thing to come to life at all is amazing.

  • @WorkinWithWiley
    @WorkinWithWiley Рік тому

    Everytime that motor started shaking I could feel it in my chest!! What a cool project! Project I am working on is a 2014 Chevy 3500.. kinda.. the cab has been cut down to firewall and dash + the floor board. Sitting a 1963 cab over the 2014 dash and floor with all the 14 running gear... I have a short on my cannel come check it out.. Workin' With Wiley. Can't wait to see more! Have a blessed week!

  • @ozzratt
    @ozzratt Рік тому

    I've been trough lots of car situations like that, it's fun exhilarating, frustrating, ups and down wouldn't trade the thrill for anything

  • @jazndex
    @jazndex Рік тому

    Billy is that MAN ! good job brother !

  • @333GCM
    @333GCM Рік тому +2

    I would love to duplicate that look on another van! Loving the partially covered rear wheels.

  • @jookm
    @jookm Рік тому +2

    Congrats on at least getting it running! Hopefully you can fab up a stronger bracket to hold it when it tries to shake like that. I'm working on getting my 1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX running again and taking care of some extra things I haven't been able to. Your DSM is how I found your channel. Good luck man!

  • @gb8641
    @gb8641 Рік тому +4

    Sell that trash heap back to the CEO

  • @rbmwiv
    @rbmwiv Рік тому +1

    Use a 3 prong 110 round twist lock plug on the van and put a matching socket on the end of your drop cord. It would look clean, I think you can get ones that would be perfect from a RV supplier, you can find all kinds of neat stuff from a RV place.

  • @noahswart9394
    @noahswart9394 Рік тому

    Bro when did this become a sketch comedy channel, the scene of Alex mic’d up in the bathroom had me rollin

  • @deanoscott
    @deanoscott Рік тому

    Also, sorry alex, but the face you make, each and every time the van shakes and bangs, is hilarious 😂😂

  • @t.t.h.601
    @t.t.h.601 Рік тому

    One of my previous jobs, I was assigned to Playboy whose offices were on Lake Shore Drive in Chicago.
    One of the executives had a syclone, and I got to see it. I didn't drive it, but he did give me a ride. That thing was WICKED FAST!! I definitely would see the syclone and Typhoon giving the Grand National a run for its money.
    I also had a chance to see a GNX up close and even look under the hood. Another great car that dominated the street. Makes me wonder how many Syclones, Typhoons & GNXs are left in mint condition.

  • @walkermediaworx
    @walkermediaworx Рік тому

    Working on a 1978 Honda Hawk II
    This is a great project series! Every time that thing shakes it makes me jump / cringe anlong with you. I cant wait to see it go for real!

  • @steveoTHEGREAT
    @steveoTHEGREAT Рік тому

    8:53 DUDE IS MAGICIAN WITH A TORCH. WOW. BILLY MUST MAKE ALOT OF MONEY LOL

  • @neilkearns9684
    @neilkearns9684 Рік тому +1

    I'm currently in the midst of an EV conversion, so watching this series is quite a nice distraction. The shuddering is probably the effect of low voltage momentarily cutting out the drive, then quickly recovering to drive it and repeating in a pattern that results in the shudder. If you were to look at the individual cells, you would probably find a small number of them are dropping low. Replacing them, or jumpering external ones into the circuit might help. You should be able to log into the motor controller, charge controller, and hybrid inverter to see what's happening. Of course, each one is likely to be it's own study as far as parameter adjustments, status messages, etc.

  • @thechristian1975
    @thechristian1975 Рік тому

    This is your best project so far. Keep up the great work

  • @deanoscott
    @deanoscott Рік тому

    Love the fact you have a pastry chef gun to heatshrink. Been using the same for years 😂😂

  • @Gocrybozo
    @Gocrybozo Рік тому

    I have the sct diagnostics scanner and tuner just plug it in and turn the key on no extra annoying apps or subscriptions on your phone. No needing to put in car type either. It also works for scanning abs too

  • @urisen65
    @urisen65 Рік тому

    I have a ton of battery and ev experience. Charge the battery, load test down to under minimum voltage per cell, then recharge. This is the fastest way to equalize the pack. If you could share some details, I could probably help you with some tips.

  • @samlwackson8696
    @samlwackson8696 Рік тому

    Just got my 93 MR2 buttoned up last night, new clutch, lightweight flywheel, rear struts, and some other odds and ends, and I’m finishing up a 1987 LT230S atv

  • @duncancremin1708
    @duncancremin1708 Рік тому

    Actually, back in 2009, plywood floors were common on cargo vehicles. Most of the big (by European standards, obviously) Mercedes vans, like the 814 and its successors had plywood floors in the load bay, switching to sheet metal in the drivers compartment. Lorries like the Ford/Iveco Cargo that do millions of miles in all weathers also use plywood in the back, if they’re configured as a box van. In your case, that floor was obviously not intended to make it through to production. The access hole above the motor is pure marketing, with the polycarbonate pane in it. But it may well have ended up with 3/4” marine ply, if it had made it into production!

  • @fizzyboi4070
    @fizzyboi4070 Рік тому +1

    It was maybe shaking becuase the motor tried to spin the other direction than the engine, as in Drive electirc motor spins in reverse. Try switcing the motor wires

  • @richnorris1061
    @richnorris1061 Рік тому

    I had a first gig with a band recently , we had just packed up ready to go home and the singers van door half closed and the thing decided to lock the doors 😬 I got a fence rod in there and managed to unlock the rear door and got in , there was a plastic divider behind the drivers seat with the top half being plastic grating , I put the rod through and tried to open the drivers door and clunk , the rear door closed 🥸🥳 I had to cut through the grating with the smallest wire cutters :-) lots of fun

  • @josephdykes1820
    @josephdykes1820 Рік тому

    Just installed two 100 watt solar panels on my shed
    Connected them to a Vtoman jump 1000 solar generator. Those items might be great for this van.

  • @petertraveller6421
    @petertraveller6421 Рік тому

    Have to install volt meter so can see HV battery voltage from driver seat. Blue caravan socket would work great for charging.

  • @VencedorGamer
    @VencedorGamer Рік тому

    @32:44 "We're here to rescue you, we're superheroes!" :D lol!

  • @plaguearttutorials
    @plaguearttutorials Рік тому +1

    If it doesn't work it's a great shell for a Tesla battery racing setup

  • @sailr
    @sailr 8 місяців тому

    I love the style of the van! I can visualize a killer paint scheme and better wheels. If I had it, I would just start from scratch. Take the electric drive completely out and put a late model 3.6v chrysler van engine in it.

  • @davidmillen7584
    @davidmillen7584 Рік тому

    Computer says reverse, engine says forward. When the power gets low, computer wants to go back with the engine

  • @AToneForOurSins
    @AToneForOurSins Рік тому

    Automotive Mark Rober makes me happy.

  • @ikipearl
    @ikipearl 9 днів тому

    I don't care how good the hand soap smells, never come out of restroom smelling your fingers 😅

  • @rz5129
    @rz5129 Рік тому

    working on the ground is part of the charm

  • @hotpuppy1
    @hotpuppy1 Рік тому +1

    Even for a prototype, there isn't any excuse for the rat's nest wiring. I'd see if there is a wiring diagram that exists and go through the whole thing as you don't know what has been messed with>>looks like a lot. That bracket needs to be 1/2" steel since that puts out some HP.