Dunlop Trailmax Raid 16.000km / 10.000 miles review - Norden 901
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Dunlop Trailmax Raid is the hotest tire on the ADV market right now, and for a good reason. The compound and shape of it makes this tire great offroad and on-road. Crazy good wear ratio is what makes this tire special as well, and fact that it still grips awesome on asphalt even after all these kilometers.
Have you tried it yet? Thinking of getting one? Any additional questions?
Let's hear it in comment section.
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![Dunlop Trailmax Raid on my Norden 901 for a motorcycle camping trip through Scandinavia [S5-E9]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fehuBJC3wQY/mqdefault.jpg)
You've just earned a sub man! 😁 Like your edits, like your humour, great content! 👍
Much appreciated!
I currently have a motoz adventure rear tire on my ktm 1290 sar and it is great, but the price recently went from 230$Cad to 400$Cad. I can get the dunlop trailmax raid in the same size for 205$Cad.
I doubt the motoz is twice the tire the dunlop is.
judging by the reports, since we don't have them here in Serbia, people say Motoz lasts longer and that it is a harder compound than TRX Raid. IMO, Dunlop is really hard to beat in terms of grip on-road compared to any other brand in this category.
I didn't know Johnny Sins rode adventure bikes!
😄 dude. well, this rubber is very safe, I can tell you that.
haha fun vid bra..got my sub......however...you said the vid would last longer than you last in bed.....should have been 30 seconds...not 6:28🤣👊👊
WHO SNITCHED!!?
How did you like them in the wet on tarmac? That's always my biggest concern.
Superb. Very soft compound, sticks great on wet and cold. I will be getting back on to raid front + karoo extreme rear as I really love karoo extreme for my solo offroad adventures, but missing confidence on front with anakee/tkc80 at front.
Thanks. I needed to see 10K miles (16k km)
To many reviews still have chicken strips and vent spews on them, but they felt they needed to give a review to beat the competition.
You wore those tires out.
Then you reviewed. You even have dirt creds and say they lose their edge at 3-4k miles.
Thanks.
That was my goal - to shred them to the max, and get out with real life, long term review, same as I will be doing with my Norden 901. Things should be used and abused in all scenarios, otherwise it is just a first impression video for the clicks.
Glad you appreciate it 🙌
If you have any additional questions I might not have addressed - feel free to ask.
“Holes not included”
Damn. Not sure about it now, really wanted those in my tire.
Gonna add some more myself with the places I go, would have saved me time.
😁 no. of holes is proportional to adventures taken, so I fully support you on obtaining yours 🤝
Hi there. Enjoyed your review. But, I hope you won’t mind if I provide my feedback.
I am quite the aggressive road rider and reasonably competent off road. But….. I am not getting even close to the wear you are getting. So, I am quite perplexed.
I ride a PanAm (yes, heavy bike) so am running 36/38 PSI. I tried 38/42 and they were awful.
If you’re running 29psi on the street I am really struggling to see how you would get 16,000km.
I suppose I might try 36/36 and see how that goes.
Thanks and have a great day.
Yes, I hear from many people they get maximum as half as I have gotten outta them.. I do tend to train powersliding on tarmac and offroad alike, but I think it's just that Norden is 215kg, and I am 75kg with gear max, and since I travel mostly with tank bag only, basicaly sub-300kg (660lbs) is total weight for my most packed tours, and I travel often with only a backpack (9l) when I travel light. For example, my first Karoo Extreme (rear) made something under 9k (5500mi), mostly light touring during winter, and second time of using it I managed to pull out barely something under 4k (2500mi) of shredding in summer, until it became slick, so it has something definitely something to do with how I rode it and time of year and temperature.
Also, have in mind that smaller radius tires wear out quicker, as they have to spin more times in order to cover same distance, which can make a noticable difference on long usage.
Tire pressure is def a subjective thing differing from tire to tire and rider to rider. For example my current d908rr feels same at 14psi and 28psi as it is a hard tire and I am a light guy, while with trx raid I could really feel every 5%+/- of pressure change.
Experiment with pressures is my only advice I can think of. trx raid definitely felt for me like a tire that should be run a bit under recommended pressure, but then again, it's my preference and roads I rode on are usually patchy and not smooth as highways.
Cheers
@@stavrozinio Thank you for the detailed feedback - appreciated. Yes, agree, the weight is a significant part of the equation. And, like you, I tend to slide on both surfaces.
I will play further with tyre pressures.
Useful review! How about wet tarmac? Proper grip?
Yeah, totaly forgot to adress that. Great grip, the compund is really soft. You can see at 01:31 I am popping a wheelie no problem, and that was a 70% worn tire.
Other reviews found the front would want to wash out in loose surfaces. Did you find that?Also curious how many miles you get out of a set of Anakee Wilds?
I would always ride them at lower pressures, so I didn't notice that problem. They would stick quite good in gravel. And sand.. well, sand is sand. For sand and mud specifically I would go with Karoo Extreme for sand, or d908. Curently on Karoo Extreme in the back for winter season and I am pretty happy with it.
Wild would get me to 12k km until rear would look like Raid at 16k.
Also, I can get through two rear Wilds on one front Wild (I did 8k + 12k on one front Wild), and Raids are ready to change at kinda same time front and back.
Hope that helps.
Cheers 🤙
I’m a Dunlop fan. Never had any trouble at all with that product. Also great video and humor. I currently have Dunlop trailmax missions on one of my bikes. They wear very good and are predictable. Appreciate your video.
I think your bike came with Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR tires like my Tuareg, how do the new Dunlops compare to the Pirellis on and off road?
Roughly, Raids are a bit better on road, and 20x better offroad, no question about it. Pirellis last a bit more, but Dunlops keep the grip even when used up, when rear Scorpion STR would slide easily after around 10k kms. I wouldn't honestly consider Scorpion STR again, although it's a good touring tire, just for their lack of performance offroad.
@@stavrozinio Good stuff- Thank you!
Time for some new ones though G!
ya yaaa 😁 currently on karoo extreme back and anakee wild front 🤙
Great video Love the edit and riding at the beginning.👊
Tnx! I just put Karoo extreme on the back, gotta make a first impressions video on that, very satisfied already.
Great review. I’m trialling the Motaz Tractionator Adventure on my 1290 been fantastic so far. Done 5000km and probably worn approximately one third. Heaps of hook up off road. Great traction on tarmac. Can lean right over all the way no problem. Not too noisy. Have had the Motaz GPS on a F850 and they were great as well for longevity probably similar to the Raid.
They are hard to get by in Serbia, but are definitely (Rallz) on my to-try list. As I hear, they have better longevity at the expense of traction on road.
What I like about Raid, is that they still have awesome grip on-road even bald like this. I guess they nailed the copound.
Also, I never heard tkc or wilds screech when breaking hard - these do, which means good grip in my book.
Hi, I have 4500 miles on my STR’s and will be needing another set of tires soon. I put AX41’s on my 390 Adventure and I love them on that bike! Strongly considering them for my 901 as well but I am a little worried if there will be any wobble on my big bike from that front AX41 as the smaller 390 can get a little wobbly with that tire at 75+ mph. Be sure to let us know what you end up with and how they perform. Subscribed!
I think AX41 would work just fine on 21, but from what I hear, they are harder compound than Raid.
Putting this week tkc80 front and Karoo Extreme back just not to get jammed in some muddy/snowy trials.
@@stavrozinio Be sure to let us know how they do on the Norden. it’s great to have someone with first hand experience with the same bike and also around the same size as I am, I’ll be waiting for your thoughts on the new tire combo!
@@chriscleland7008 Will make first impressions video then. I figure understeer on offroad and oversteer on road, but not getting stuck is imperative, and I can really oversteer offroad when needed with Norden's power.
Which boots are these?
some cheap thor mx boots, not waterproof.
Nice vid, will replace my STR's with these I think.
Thought about E07 but it just seems to last forever and sacrifices grip.
Are you running these tubeless? In that case are there no issues with low pressures? I want to try lower pressures too. Offroad it seems to improve grip and feeling much more than expected.
Yep, low pressures are so good offroad, and rims are strong asf on ktms and huskies so you can experiment. I rode my rear on even 0.2-ish bar.. like, crazy low (compressor would show 0.0), and it would stay in place no probs even on tarmac after the offroad session (running them tubeless ofc, you can see the holes in my rear tire). You will love this rubber. E07 will last longer, but its nowhere near to performance of Raid. E07 is offroad maybe a bit worse, and on road a lot worse (I had them on my underpowered KLE500 and they were so hard and slippery even on that weak bike).
Awesome riding. Good to see a test by someone who rides aggressively and runs low pressures. It gives me more of an idea how they might work on my Africa Twin.
Thank you! 🫡 Great tire, you will be satisfied.
Do you think this tyre would last 5k miles on a ktm 1290sas with 3 panniers?
yes, 5k miles sounds about right, but don't expect much offroad performance when you get close to that number. on the other hand, grip on tarmac will stay pretty great even when you make them slick :)
@@stavrozinio fantastic! I’ll be doing pretty much all road riding but like the option that it can do a little off road. Seems a great tyres and just wanted to make sure it’ll do the 5k miles. Thank you
@@markworthington1710 I just road 2,250 miles mostly road (some trails) around France and the Alps fully loaded (2021) 1290 SAR - guess there's 500 miles left on the rear
@@jimcalvert4678 I’ve decided to just put Michelin road 6’s on and see how well they last. May well need changed during my trip
At 10k would you still go off road?
solo adventures with possibility of mud - not really honestly. mud+sand performance drops fast after 5-6k.
but it sticks great on tarmac until the very end.
@@stavrozinio great, thanks for the detailed reply
I only got 7100 km on my rear tire😂😂 Used on my ktm 1290 sar
Imagine putting it on a 125cc 😄 UNLIMITED RUBBER
@@stavrozinio 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 A tire hack 🤣🤣
@@stavrozinio but iam gonna buy the a new one 👌 I like that tire 👌
Why do you run them with such low pressures?
I prefer 1.8 on bad sceeneic and village roads as I get less ricocheting where tarmac is cracked and not even, and I often jump between offroad and bad asphalt so I don't feel like changing pressure constantly. In the end, tire is the first suspension that takes the impact. For highway use I go up to 2.2b. I would only go for (recomended) 2.5 on a perfect road such as track or equivalent, but every time I tried them at those pressures on bad roads, I felt very unsecure, especially in turns with cracked asphalt & gravel on road. Deflated tires slide more and sooner, but makes up with a smoother ride, and I am much more okay with sliding the rear to turn than I am with ricocheting front wheel. You should try it if you haven't already, it has its pros and cons definitely, and primarily changes whole way you ride a bike, especially in turns.
Cheers
@@stavrozinio I understand airing down for bad terrain. I typically air down my tyres for offroad (by only about 20%). I think you said 0.5 bar on the rear for offroad. Aren't you worried about cracked rims? Also regarding the front feeling harsh on bad surfaces, isn't that a problem with the suspension?
@@PhilG221 0.5 is for offroad when I am doing some nasty single-tracks I just want to finish in one piece and as easy as possible, so I ride accordingly, and trails in question are usually ones where I move few meters each minute, so.. that's slow enough I guess. But Norden proved to have very tough stock rims that I don't really worry about anymore, and my go-to pressure for less-demanding trails where I ride fast(er) is around 1bar.
Suspension on Norden is also top-notch, but i would be riding on lower pressure even if I was on pro-grade suspension such as Xplor or Xplor PRO. No suspension can polish the sideways ricocheting/slipping when you hit cracks, stones, etc. That's tire's job. TKC80 was kind of doing that even inflated as it had really soft knobs, but at the cost of longevity, and it always felt a bit deflated while being inflated.
What is your all-time favorite dualsport tire?
slick edit.. great review... subscribed for more of it...
Thanks for the sub!
subbed... nice camera work & Great review. mine are going on my tuareg660 ..this week !
Appreciate it. You will love them, they stick like glue. My go-to tire for next sunny season if I don't decide to experiment.
Even worn out like this they still grip like crazy. I wish they had more meat, something like Motoz Rallz or ax41 has, but I guess Raids have softer compound and they could not add more rubber without sacraficing performance on road.
Cheers!
@@stavrozinio that makes absolute sense about adding more rubber if they perform as good as you say and for what I've been hearing in the circles it's worth the money every 5K this thing was made for the mid weight bikes The Aprilia Tuareg is already like a knife's blade I can't wait
@@angrytuareg I love my 901 but ngl, I would gladly own a Tuareg aswell from that
How many kms on the Norden so far?
57k kms, camshaft is as new, I change my oil at every 7-10k and use aftermarket air prefilter from ktm.
so far, Norden is a unicorn bike for me.
just recently fitted it with full WP Xplor kit.
@@stavrozinio haven't even done my first oil change. Glad to hear you haven't had the camshaft issues, although it concerns me a bit.
Mitas fall apart?? extremely durable tires. In perspective the Mitas tires will last longer than your CAMSHAFT on husquarna(KTM)!
65.000kms on my husky, checked cams 2x, as new.
Anlas CapraX falls apart, and old e09.
e07 will last for 50.000km but omly because it is made out of plastic :*
@@stavrozinio anlas is Erdogan tire, normal..
Lol 2x camshaft…
The thing with tires is that many factors need to be considered and they vary from bike to bike. F.ex. they might work fantastic on the N901 and KTM890 but how will they hold up on a Tiger1200RE or 1290SAR (more power more weight), or in other sizes (GS?) or tubed vs tubeless. On top you have many variations in tarmac and environments. So to say "this is the best" should always be followed by "for my bike, my riding , my environment" - but great review, awesome trails down there and great riding.
Agreed. This is a clickbait thumbnail for sure, but they do live up to justify it. I am pretty sure everyone will be satisfied with this rubber. Ofc, different riders different bikes... tire will wear out differently, some people even have mould strings on outer parts of tire even after 5k miles, while I lose mines in first 50kms (just going to training on a parking lot can cut them down in few more dynamic sessions), but it will still exceed everyones expectations - agressive and chillout riders alike, I am positive.
Tire is full of silica, and pattern is really cleverly made to cover majority of needs. I think I will take them out to track day aswell.
Tnx man.
Cheers
@@stavrozinio I would love to see a comparison with these vs Karoo 4 and the Heidenau K60 Ranger, my current favorite- if you consider pricing as well.
Be safe sir.
@@ogoshikimura5621 I hear those tires are good performers, but Karoo 4 and its paddle-like design doesn't promise on-road performance as good as Raids. K60 seems better from that perspective.
If the difference between a set of tires is around 100-150eur, I think it's absolutely not worth to have lower performance tire for 15.000kms in order to save that ammount of money, but that's me.
For example, totaly worn up Raids hold better than fresh E07, and that says a lot.
@@stavrozinio you would think by looking at the pattern, but from what I hear and read the street performance must be outstanding- especially in the rain. But they are hard to get at the moment so I can’t really say something. The Ranger literally blew my mind turned the big GSA in a gravel racer lol. But what I didn’t expect was the street performance, no noise, rain, cold or both and no issues whatsoever. Confidence inspiring for sure.
Next tire for me is the new Version of the E07+ let’s see how they go.
Excellent vid. very realistic review!
Haha you’ve got your monies worth out of that!😀
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Bentley 😅😅😂😂in the bus !!
Nice review thank you
:D glad you noticed! tnx!
Hmm, those tyres looks kinda destroyed :D Well done! Appreciate the review, I going. to check them out next after the stock tyres are trashed.
The first 70 seconds earned you a sub from me.
🫡 appreciated!
🙂👍.
I'll swap to those when I finish my trailmaxes mission, which last forever (hard stone tyres, good for travel but meh for off and fast cornering 😅)
Raids are much softer, and wear out faster, but when you put everything to paper.. cost of the tire is like 2.3eur/100km & I think that is very reasonable :)
Tires need to be good. Saving 50 bucks on a tire can make a huge difference in safety, and eventually, crash damages. And crash damages will be costing more than those 50 saved bucks :D
Tnx for watch. Cheers.
Realistically, would these last 5k miles at the rear on mainly tarmac on a ktm 1290 super adventure? Would have 3 panniers on too. Had the missions and they wear great but considering swapping these for more confidence in the wet tarmac
5k sounds realistic if you keep it at 2.3-2.9 bar, but I would not be surprised if you squeeze out even more.
16k km with your riding i would say is good.. It will prob last much longer with my riding. Looking at these for sure.
Have in mind I weigh 75kg with gear 👀 Maybe 100kg all packed up for a longer trip.
@@stavrozinio Got a set from someone that bought the wrong size. Almost half price. So worth it for sure.
def. worth it. I would put them now in a blink of an eye for half a price.
Did the traction on pavement and offroad stay consistent throughout the life of the tire?
Yes! Probably the best characteristic of the tire. Still grips superb, and I consider myself to be an agressive rider.
@@stavrozinio I’ve had the tire about 1000 miles. I’ve been blown away. But was wondering if it would stay consistent. Best tire on pavement and gravel that I’ve ever ran. There are more aggressive tires for mud but I’ve found it to be acceptable. I don’t seek out mud usually in my rides.
Exactly that.
I will be putting Karoo Extreme on the back for winter season now as my Raids are basically slicks now, but for spring-to-winter season tire - these Raids are killin' it.
Have you tried AX41 or Motoz Rallz maybe?
I am thinking of trying them next year, but so far by reports, I think the Raid is still the best choice.
@@stavrozinio I used the motoz adventure. It has great off road traction. But put me on my a$$ on dry pavement on a cool day going 25 miles an hour. It came out from under that motorcycle so quick you would have thought I was on red clay. The compound is to hard for cool weather imo. I ran the tire after the wreck until it was worn out I only got 5K miles and it was very sketch on pavement the entire time in my opinion but lots of folks have had good luck. So I'm not trying the rallz. That experience scared me away. I ride with a guy who uses the rear GPS and has had nothing but good luck and is very complimentary. I've not ran the ax41 though I was going to until the raid dropped. I got the raid specifically because of that silica compound which the AX41 doesn't have. If you want good wet pavement traction you have to have a little bit of silica in the tire imo. And the raid delivered on that a couple hundred miles so far on wet pavement and I can't really tell the difference between wet and dry.
@@Mightycaptain Tnx for info. Exactly what I have been hearing.
Agreed. Have them on my 990
Just for a brief moment I thought about new duke with them on, and now can't unimagine it.
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Just got my Raids on my Multi 950 and they are LOUD! Sounds like a lifted Jeep on the highway. Did a roadtrip in 2 days, 600 miles, backcountry of Colorado & New Mexico. I had the Trailamax Mission Tires previously, lasted me 6,000 miles
So, he says quiet and you say loud? Seems like not much difference in bikes, wonder what the difference is? I also have a 901 with original Pirellis wearing down and looking at these tires…
Well, only "road tire" I rode on 901 is Scorpion STR when it was stock, and it is no louder than it. Tire is silent on straight line IMO, and only buzzes when lean is initiated.
I am currently on Karoo Extreme, and that is the first tire I actually can hear over the sound of wind
Cheers.
@@stavrozinio Ended up getting an Aprilla Tuareg 660 recently. Since both the 901 and the Tuareg have STR’s on them, I put the new Raid tire on the Aprilla and saved the STR’s for the 901 when those tires need changing. I agree with you on the raid tire, not loud on the 660. Really a nice tire with an aggressive look, Motoz dual-venture on the front.
I was thinking about this OP comment, and it may have relation to smaller diameter wheels when you think about it. Just an opinion. Tires will also last proportionaly less on a smaller diameter rim.
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does your bike have a stock suspension? any mods?
disapointed with the rear stock shock on mine
no suspension mods (as at the moment of filming this).
for me it is fine on a bit stiffer preload even for agressive jumping as I am light (75kg with gear).
I have switched to xplor kit, front and rear recently.
@@stavrozinio thanks! xplor much better?
@@TheSuperBaltazarfor offroad yes, but not for street.
Great video - subscribed and off to order the tyres for my GS.
Quick question: what’s the camera and mount you use on the front of your helmet?
insta360 x2 in smallrig cage on normal gopro mount 🫡 its very wide pov when shot in 360 degrees, but quality much worse than gopro. win some lose some.
tnx 🤙
Try the Mitas E-07. It will last 20.000km. Thank me later! 😉
I did. It's the most slippery ADV tire I have ever tried on asphalt. Not even close to performance that of Dunlop. It's worse than Anakee Wild on asphalt which is saying a lot. That tire is good only if you don't push your bike to limits and want to go around world on one set.
@@stavrozinio that is exactly what I do. I don't ride fast on the tarmac. Always on the speed limit enjoying the ride. Great performance off-road and long lasting mileage. 👍🏻
By the way, I ride a BMW F800 ADV 😉👍🏻
@@bielbills I can understand that. Maybe I will pick it up sometimes again when I decide to travel to Asia. I like to push bike so I get mini heart-attack every 100kms :D
@@stavrozinio I already had my crazy days riding motocross when I was younger. Now I just want to ride to enjoy and relax! 😅👍🏻
As I suspected you didn't try it in deep sands.
are they better or worse than anakee wild on road??
much better than wilds, and even more on the wet.
@stavrozinio sweet thanks man!
@stavrozinio just got some priced for myself, gonna be about $600 usd to get them and install them but im gonna get them as soon as I can lol
@@catalyst429 that's pricey. here they go about 380eur
This tires er scary on wet!
The raids? Great I just got them because that’s how I feel about the missions
@@pappaclutch3266 Can you try it on wet and tell me what you think?
@@racenotrace yeah, I’ll get them soon. I dont know when it’s going to rain tho
Finally someone that has an ACTUAL review on this tire!! Thanks for doing this Stavro!! Greetings from Arizona!!
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U're welcome! We were happy to get them fast in Serbia... on the other hand, unfortunately, Motoz are nowhere to be found 👀
@@stavrozinio MOTOZ are easy to find here🤣🤣