Howard, I really - and I mean really - enjoyed this video. THANK YOU for your quantitative analyses , as well as for your very informative commentary, and for entirely fair methodology. Both rifles really are excellent for their intended purposes, and the RPR is superb (in honesty, I’m a bolt action guy . . . even during this era where AR’s justifiably dominate, my favorite rifle is a Ruger Gunsight Scout chambered in 5.56). I respectfully suggest that all marksmen and shooters, but few shooters are marksmen. You’re a marksman, I’m a shooter, however I cannot count the number of wonderfully enjoyable and solitary hours I have spent walking and plinking - with a .22LR - in Vermont, Colorado, West Virginia, North Carolina, Virginia, Alaska, and Missouri fields and woods. Precision marksmanship was NEVER attained, but “returning my mental compass to due north” always was. For me, there is nothing quite like “woods walking,” occasionally firing a round at a fence post, a pine cone or a tin can, and thus putting life’s many vagaries into perspective.
Another great honest video from you I would love to see that Ruger Precision vs Savage Precision both bolt actions what a great comparison that would be.
Thanks for this test. I just wish I could find that ammo more often in stores as I don't buy anything online. It can be difficult to find quality target ammo for the RPR & tricked out 10/22. That said, my plain old '70's 10/22 is minute of squirrel-head accurate.
Thanks for putting that ammo to the test. We now have two RPRs that don’t like the black box. If anyone ever unlocks the secret to why a rimfire likes certain ammo, let me know. I think it will always be a mystery.
I don't know if you saw my comment in the chat, but I really liked both the HV Hollow-point load and the Force. Both rifles seemed to like those loads pretty well too.
@@hrfunk I think we have some Eley HV match red box in stock. It’s a premium high velocity loading designed for semi auto guns. I’ll grab a box to hand off to you on our next meeting.
Thanks! I’ve noticed that both the RPR and the 10-22 like the CCI AR Tactical load. That’s a 40 grain high-velocity load. Based upon that,and the results with the Eley HVHP, I THINK they would probably like a high velocity match load too. It might also be fun to test a load like that at an extended distance to see how much (if any) accuracy degradation occurs when the bullet goes transonic.
Nice comparison. It's hard to argue against bolt action precision. But it's also hard to argue against fun plinking with an accurate semiauto, too. Either way, the ammo quality seems consistent and that's another win. 👍👍
Great video. As I have gotten older I enjoy shooting rimfire much more. Thanks to Ben for the ammo and thanks to you for putting it to great use. Thanks for the good information.
My ruger precision loves the cci standard velocity. Now I do weight each round on a scale and put it in a pile with the same weight and after doing that I played with the weights to see what grouped the best at 50 yards then 100 yards . After that I found out the sweet spot weight of the cci standard velocity ammo weight that is constant then just sighted it in dial it in and now shoot 1moa to sub 1moa with the cci standard velocity. It definitely was worth the time to figure it out and weight of each round on a scale cause some are a few grains shy some are few grains over so yeah even with the high end match stuff if you place each round on a scale you will get different weights from any box of ammo
I've seen & shot several stock 10/22's that would group like that with ammo they liked & have never really had much interest in modifying them. Nothing against it, I just got them to do what I wanted stock & I like the feel of the stock rifle. The one I own now likes Mini Mags & will consistently shoot 1/2" to 3/4" at 50 yards with a fixed 4x scope so I can't complain. That precision bolt action looks quite interesting though. Thanks for showing me what it could do.
A simple way to get a more exact measurement is to measure from the extreme outside edge of the hole on one side to the extreme inside edge of the hole on the far side of the group. This measurement is the same as the measure from the center of the holes. PS: If the paper tears carefully pull the edge out to find the black ring left by the bullet and use it for the measurements. Again outside edge to the inside edge of the rings.
When you consider that the 10/22 is firing from an unlocked breech or blowback while the RPR IS a locked breech, I think the 10/22 does a credible job for what it is. Blowback 22's can be fussy about what ammo they prefer as your excellent video proves. I have a 20 year old Ruger 10/22T with that spiral hammer forged barrel, Power Custom trigger parts and a Volquartsen bedding kit installed and it made a big difference in the groups I was getting. Eley ammo did not show especially good groups but CCI Green Tag and oddly enough Federal Auto-Match did. I hear very mixed reviews on the Federal stuff but mine seems to like it.
I recently accidentally traded into a 10 22 n really sad shape. I ordered a low cost Shaw custom bull barrel for it which I fully lapped to 1 micron, 18,000 grit JIS, did a bit of bedding to the action and lightened the trigger pull the 1.8 lbs. For whatever reason, it loves Fed. Auto Match and low cost Armscor SV. The SV is pinpoint accurate in ti but is plagued with misfires. The Auto match loves to throw a flier every once in a while but is not often. No cold bore antics. Although the accuracy is not as good as the undependable Armscor, it is very serviceable. Best group to date is .205 at 50 yds. It normally hovers just under .5 at Fifty yards. Seems it is out shooting many very high buck custom 10.22's! KnifeMaker/Retired after over 47+ Years in the Craft
I believe Eley is involved in some way with Remington ammo. Back when I was on our high school rifle team the story was Eley Club Match and Target were all produced in the same batch and sorted post production into Target Club and Match parameters. If that was the case then it has to be external features like OAL weight and diameter. I suppose if you still have some leftover you can see what each type dims out at. I don't know if the new owners hold the standards that we saw from eley 26yrs ago. I doubt it as no company that's acquired seems to focus on maintaining quality, and I don't ever remember seeing the complaints about eley we see now. That said I was shooting bolt guns exclusively and we were using mostly donated cci ammo. My kimber 82 Govt wasn't very picky but cci SV was the most consistent. My dad's bolt gun actually prefers shorts or longs to LR
I'd like to see the Ruger PR vs the Ruger American bolt action. Would using a vise be better for the test or the relative sizes of the groups would stay the same? That is with the vise perhaps the groups would be tighter but across ammo types you would still discover which ammo each rifle was most effective with. Thanks all the best!
Terrific video! I have viewed many of these ammo comparison shooting videos but this was one of the best. Combining using 2 rifles with a test of each type of ammo made for a very interesting test. I just got a CZ 457 24" bolt action 22LR and have been trying to find what ammo works best with it. So far Eley Club and Eley Benchrest Precision seem to shoot the best. I have got to try the Tenex. Anyway nicely done. I use your shooting videos as my standard of excellence to gauge for my shooting. I have a ways to go! Thanks!
Through my rimfire journey I've found that SK products work a bit better. I've personally shot 1" groups at 100 yards with a near stock Rem.597 using SK Standard Plus. Watching hundreds of videos of other channels I've seen guys fight with Eley not chambering, misfires, and groups, where they don't seem to have these issues with SK. I'd love to see this test with those platforms and SK Standard Plus and / or Rifle Match. You may be surprised by the performance. I really think the 10/22 can do much better!
It has actually done better with far less prestigious loads. I would like to try SK ammo, but it seems to be pretty scarce in these parts. Maybe I can find some online.
Good morning HR. Thanks to Ben for supplying the ammo. Range time is better when the ammo is free. When you said you were going to speed up the shooting video, my first thought was " Uh oh UA-cam is going to cancel him for full auto machine gun fire"😂
An excellent and interesting comparison of the two rifles. I urge you to repeat the same tests using RWS, SK and Lapua cartridges. I think you would enjoy it and I know I would enjoy seeing the results.
I have a 10/22 with a Volquartsen trigger shoe, hammer and springs but everything else is stock. It shoots very close to my RPR 22lr. My fully built 10/22 (trigger stock and barrel changed) it is negligible from it and the the RPR at 50 yds. Maybe it would open up at 100yds buy IMO 22lr is a 50yd rifle. I will say. CCI Mini mag 36hp and 40 sp, Aguila super extra in those grains and cheap federal auto match are my go to. I will never shoot a competition. Just bragging rights with friends. This precision ammo is something I wont use but love the video. Maybe with better ammo I would see a bigger difference.
Howard now you know I had to slap the old thumbs up for this video. If I could I would just hangout and repeatedly press it over and over again. BUT you know what I want. I just released a new Summer Captain America challenge and would love to see you and one or both of these rifles in it.
Thank you, Sir! I was actually thinking about you when I recorded this one. I saw the Captain America challenge in your last video. Where/how can I get the target? PS, my rest is not nearly as sophisticated as yours!
This was ok . but i prefer putting a barrel tuner on my rpr , yes that means i have to shoot atleast 50 rounds to find the best node on the tuner but at the end its well worth it. and then if you have a flyer then you should give moa both with and without the flyer. I found flyers in most of the boxes of ammo....
I shoot about 1.5 MOA with my stock Savage MK II bolt gun with CCI MiniMags. I am not as good a shot as you are so you would probably do better. I think the biggest source of error is the inconsistency of .22 ammo even if match grade. Can you really call your rifle a 10/22 anymore? It seems the original piece is rhe receiver.
👍👍This is my second post as the first one disappeared. Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed the video and that I would be pleased if my semi auto 22lr rifle shot that well, Thanks.
Thank you for your interesting and informative content. You have a new subscriber! I am a new owner of a Ruger precision rimfire and I’m hungry for quality information
Off the top of my head, I don’t remember what I paid for the RPR. I think it was in the $600 range. Add the scope and bipod and I probably have a grand in it. That’s roughly the same amount I have in the 10/22.
I have never been impressed with 10/22’s for accuracy. For the money spent on mods people do vs what you tend to get. I can outshoot most all of them with my $230 Savage MK II…. Bone stock with a eBay cheap scope and form 1 suppressor using CCi standard ammo… which almost never has a dud. That CCi standard also shot the best out of like 10 my friend and I tried in my rifle and his $2,300 .22. Bolt action Begara he built. We tested Wolf, S&K, several Eley loads etc.
For those interested here is a roasted chicken recipe from my wife's cooking channel ua-cam.com/video/8mt2YLv37SY/v-deo.html this is not high quality production like HR's videos no talking just video and music. Thanks HR
Is all of that barrel break in nessary between ammo types if you just run a snake down the barrel between each type of. Any help would be appreciated .
Due to differences in bullet lube, a lot of serious .22 shooters believe it’s necessary to “season” the barrel before testing a different type of ammunition.
Howard, I really - and I mean really - enjoyed this video. THANK YOU for your quantitative analyses , as well as for your very informative commentary, and for entirely fair methodology. Both rifles really are excellent for their intended purposes, and the RPR is superb (in honesty, I’m a bolt action guy . . . even during this era where AR’s justifiably dominate, my favorite rifle is a Ruger Gunsight Scout chambered in 5.56).
I respectfully suggest that all marksmen and shooters, but few shooters are marksmen. You’re a marksman, I’m a shooter, however I cannot count the number of wonderfully enjoyable and solitary hours I have spent walking and plinking - with a .22LR - in Vermont, Colorado, West Virginia, North Carolina, Virginia, Alaska, and Missouri fields and woods. Precision marksmanship was NEVER attained, but “returning my mental compass to due north” always was. For me, there is nothing quite like “woods walking,” occasionally firing a round at a fence post, a pine cone or a tin can, and thus putting life’s many vagaries into perspective.
Another great honest video from you I would love to see that Ruger Precision vs Savage Precision both bolt actions what a great comparison that would be.
Thanks for this test. I just wish I could find that ammo more often in stores as I don't buy anything online. It can be difficult to find quality target ammo for the RPR & tricked out 10/22. That said, my plain old '70's 10/22 is minute of squirrel-head accurate.
Thanks for putting that ammo to the test. We now have two RPRs that don’t like the black box. If anyone ever unlocks the secret to why a rimfire likes certain ammo, let me know. I think it will always be a mystery.
I don't know if you saw my comment in the chat, but I really liked both the HV Hollow-point load and the Force. Both rifles seemed to like those loads pretty well too.
@@hrfunk I think we have some Eley HV match red box in stock. It’s a premium high velocity loading designed for semi auto guns. I’ll grab a box to hand off to you on our next meeting.
Thanks! I’ve noticed that both the RPR and the 10-22 like the CCI AR Tactical load. That’s a 40 grain high-velocity load. Based upon that,and the results with the Eley HVHP, I THINK they would probably like a high velocity match load too. It might also be fun to test a load like that at an extended distance to see how much (if any) accuracy degradation occurs when the bullet goes transonic.
For most i think it comes down to barrel, but headspace, mag tuning is big deal with any .22lr.
Interesting. This makes me want to upgrade my 10/22 well beyond the Magpul stock and HiViz sights I put on mine.
Nice comparison. It's hard to argue against bolt action precision. But it's also hard to argue against fun plinking with an accurate semiauto, too. Either way, the ammo quality seems consistent and that's another win. 👍👍
My ruger precision rimfire loves cci standard velocitys!
Outstanding video. I enjoy ammo, rifle comparisons like this immensely. Thanks for sharing...
Great video. As I have gotten older I enjoy shooting rimfire much more. Thanks to Ben for the ammo and thanks to you for putting it to great use. Thanks for the good information.
My ruger precision loves the cci standard velocity. Now I do weight each round on a scale and put it in a pile with the same weight and after doing that I played with the weights to see what grouped the best at 50 yards then 100 yards . After that I found out the sweet spot weight of the cci standard velocity ammo weight that is constant then just sighted it in dial it in and now shoot 1moa to sub 1moa with the cci standard velocity. It definitely was worth the time to figure it out and weight of each round on a scale cause some are a few grains shy some are few grains over so yeah even with the high end match stuff if you place each round on a scale you will get different weights from any box of ammo
I've seen & shot several stock 10/22's that would group like that with ammo they liked & have never really had much interest in modifying them. Nothing against it, I just got them to do what I wanted stock & I like the feel of the stock rifle. The one I own now likes Mini Mags & will consistently shoot 1/2" to 3/4" at 50 yards with a fixed 4x scope so I can't complain. That precision bolt action looks quite interesting though. Thanks for showing me what it could do.
A simple way to get a more exact measurement is to measure from the extreme outside edge of the hole on one side to the extreme inside edge of the hole on the far side of the group. This measurement is the same as the measure from the center of the holes.
PS: If the paper tears carefully pull the edge out to find the black ring left by the bullet and use it for the measurements. Again outside edge to the inside edge of the rings.
I'm familiar with that method, but truthfully when it comes to measuring to the thousandth of an inch, I'm not certain it's any more precise.
When you consider that the 10/22 is firing from an unlocked breech or blowback while the RPR IS a locked breech, I think the 10/22 does a credible job for what it is. Blowback 22's can be fussy about what ammo they prefer as your excellent video proves. I have a 20 year old Ruger 10/22T with that spiral hammer forged barrel, Power Custom trigger parts and a Volquartsen bedding kit installed and it made a big difference in the groups I was getting. Eley ammo did not show especially good groups but CCI Green Tag and oddly enough Federal Auto-Match did. I hear very mixed reviews on the Federal stuff but mine seems to like it.
I recently accidentally traded into a 10 22 n really sad shape. I ordered a low cost Shaw custom bull barrel for it which I fully lapped to 1 micron, 18,000 grit JIS, did a bit of bedding to the action and lightened the trigger pull the 1.8 lbs. For whatever reason, it loves Fed. Auto Match and low cost Armscor SV. The SV is pinpoint accurate in ti but is plagued with misfires. The Auto match loves to throw a flier every once in a while but is not often. No cold bore antics. Although the accuracy is not as good as the undependable Armscor, it is very serviceable. Best group to date is .205 at 50 yds. It normally hovers just under .5 at Fifty yards. Seems it is out shooting many very high buck custom 10.22's!
KnifeMaker/Retired after over 47+ Years in the Craft
Either get the Green Mountain barrel or the FJ Fedderson barrel for the Precision Rifle. Both are bentz chamber but one is 18" & the other is 22".
For which rifle?
@@hrfunk The bolt one.
I believe Eley is involved in some way with Remington ammo.
Back when I was on our high school rifle team the story was Eley Club Match and Target were all produced in the same batch and sorted post production into Target Club and Match parameters. If that was the case then it has to be external features like OAL weight and diameter. I suppose if you still have some leftover you can see what each type dims out at.
I don't know if the new owners hold the standards that we saw from eley 26yrs ago. I doubt it as no company that's acquired seems to focus on maintaining quality, and I don't ever remember seeing the complaints about eley we see now. That said I was shooting bolt guns exclusively and we were using mostly donated cci ammo. My kimber 82 Govt wasn't very picky but cci SV was the most consistent. My dad's bolt gun actually prefers shorts or longs to LR
I'd like to see the Ruger PR vs the Ruger American bolt action. Would using a vise be better for the test or the relative sizes of the groups would stay the same? That is with the vise perhaps the groups would be tighter but across ammo types you would still discover which ammo each rifle was most effective with. Thanks all the best!
Thanks for the video. I haven’t been impressed with Eley accuracy for the cost.
Terrific video! I have viewed many of these ammo comparison shooting videos but this was one of the best. Combining using 2 rifles with a test of each type of ammo made for a very interesting test. I just got a CZ 457 24" bolt action 22LR and have been trying to find what ammo works best with it. So far Eley Club and Eley Benchrest Precision seem to shoot the best. I have got to try the Tenex. Anyway nicely done. I use your shooting videos as my standard of excellence to gauge for my shooting. I have a ways to go! Thanks!
Through my rimfire journey I've found that SK products work a bit better. I've personally shot 1" groups at 100 yards with a near stock Rem.597 using SK Standard Plus. Watching hundreds of videos of other channels I've seen guys fight with Eley not chambering, misfires, and groups, where they don't seem to have these issues with SK. I'd love to see this test with those platforms and SK Standard Plus and / or Rifle Match. You may be surprised by the performance. I really think the 10/22 can do much better!
It has actually done better with far less prestigious loads. I would like to try SK ammo, but it seems to be pretty scarce in these parts. Maybe I can find some online.
@hrfunk Sportsmans Den I think is where I ordered from last. And yes CCI Standard Velocity can be surprisingly accurate also!
Good morning HR. Thanks to Ben for supplying the ammo. Range time is better when the ammo is free.
When you said you were going to speed up the shooting video, my first thought was " Uh oh UA-cam is going to cancel him for full auto machine gun fire"😂
With the way they've been reacting to firearms content lately, that would not have surprised me.
LOL
An excellent and interesting comparison of the two rifles. I urge you to repeat the same tests using RWS, SK and Lapua cartridges. I think you would enjoy it and I know I would enjoy seeing the results.
Thanks! I’m already planning to try some other types of ammunition. Stay tuned!
I have a 10/22 with a Volquartsen trigger shoe, hammer and springs but everything else is stock. It shoots very close to my RPR 22lr. My fully built 10/22 (trigger stock and barrel changed) it is negligible from it and the the RPR at 50 yds. Maybe it would open up at 100yds buy IMO 22lr is a 50yd rifle. I will say. CCI Mini mag 36hp and 40 sp, Aguila super extra in those grains and cheap federal auto match are my go to. I will never shoot a competition. Just bragging rights with friends. This precision ammo is something I wont use but love the video. Maybe with better ammo I would see a bigger difference.
Good morning, and afternoon HRFUNK and family. Happy Saturday to everyone there. I'm most definitely going to look up that Elly force. 👌
Good video and good information. I know a lot of work went into this project.
Thank you!
It would be interesting to compare the
- Hornady Extreme Range ammo
to the
- Eley Extreme Range ammo
Glad to see the rimfire content.
Howard now you know I had to slap the old thumbs up for this video. If I could I would just hangout and repeatedly press it over and over again. BUT you know what I want. I just released a new Summer Captain America challenge and would love to see you and one or both of these rifles in it.
Thank you, Sir! I was actually thinking about you when I recorded this one. I saw the Captain America challenge in your last video. Where/how can I get the target? PS, my rest is not nearly as sophisticated as yours!
Disregard that question. I just found the target on your website.
Nice test report. RPR for the win. (No surprise there.)
This was ok . but i prefer putting a barrel tuner on my rpr , yes that means i have to shoot atleast 50 rounds to find the best node on the tuner but at the end its well worth it. and then if you have a flyer then you should give moa both with and without the flyer. I found flyers in most of the boxes of ammo....
Nice work!! Have a great weekend.
Thank you for this post HrFunk!
You’re welcome!
Cool ! Thanks !
My rifles prefer the SK semiauto 22 ammo.
I want to try some SK, but I don't see it here locally.
All that investment on the 10_/22...did our buddy consult on that? No flashcan? To complete the project, now sell it at a loss...😪
Also needs Magnaport...😮
@@LUVDOGS1954 That isn't a nice thing to say. Out loud.
I can't reply right now, I'm on the phone with the cryo company.
@@ElainesDomain do you have any idea what we are referring to?
@@LUVDOGS1954 I'll give it a shot. Buy a car. Put thousands into it to make a hot rod. Add more bucks here and there. Sell it for chump change.
I shoot about 1.5 MOA with my stock Savage MK II bolt gun with CCI MiniMags. I am not as good a shot as you are so you would probably do better. I think the biggest source of error is the inconsistency of .22 ammo even if match grade.
Can you really call your rifle a 10/22 anymore? It seems the original piece is rhe receiver.
so am I the only one who would like one of those t-shirts....lol like the 10/22 curious as to the cost of the upgrades
I’m not sure about the total cost, but it was probably more than the cost of a stock 10/22. The T-Shirts are unfortunately not available any more.
Very well done
Thanks!
👍👍This is my second post as the first one disappeared. Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed the video and that I would be pleased if my semi auto 22lr rifle shot that well, Thanks.
Thank you!
Love the tee shirt.
Thanks! I've had it for a while, but I don't often wear it.
Something new! Cool!
Thank you for your interesting and informative content. You have a new subscriber! I am a new owner of a Ruger precision rimfire and I’m hungry for quality information
Thanks for the subscription. Welcome aboard and congratulations on your acquisition of the RPR!
I'm curious about how much money you have invested in each rifle just for comparison's sake, not to be nosey
Off the top of my head, I don’t remember what I paid for the RPR. I think it was in the $600 range. Add the scope and bipod and I probably have a grand in it. That’s roughly the same amount I have in the 10/22.
@@hrfunk You took off the original muzzle device from the RPRF. It was kind of ugly. Did the removal make a difference in any way?
Build a Kidd 10/22 and it'll smoke that RPR.
👍👍
I have never been impressed with 10/22’s for accuracy. For the money spent on mods people do vs what you tend to get. I can outshoot most all of them with my $230 Savage MK II…. Bone stock with a eBay cheap scope and form 1 suppressor using CCi standard ammo… which almost never has a dud.
That CCi standard also shot the best out of like 10 my friend and I tried in my rifle and his $2,300 .22. Bolt action Begara he built. We tested Wolf, S&K, several Eley loads etc.
the rpr is so much fun
For those interested here is a roasted chicken recipe from my wife's cooking channel ua-cam.com/video/8mt2YLv37SY/v-deo.html this is not high quality production like HR's videos no talking just video and music. Thanks HR
Is all of that barrel break in nessary between ammo types if you just run a snake down the barrel between each type of. Any help would be appreciated .
Due to differences in bullet lube, a lot of serious .22 shooters believe it’s necessary to “season” the barrel before testing a different type of ammunition.