My question is...if this line was unknown to gondor...how come when Boromir heard his true name he suddenly went woah....hes my king...nahhhh Like by just saying is father they knew his lineage....how?
This video is a great summary of the great lines of Elves and Men. I don’t think from watching the movies ppl will realize just how important Aragorn is considering his lineage going back to Numenor. The fact that all of this came from one man, Tolkien, makes me feel like an insect whilst this man created a fictional world so deep and complete with so many dif Gods, races, and languages.
Thank you :) Yes from the movies alone this story and Aragorn's importance is pretty much lost (only hinted). Yes, Tolkien's creation is really impressive. He managed to connect all the stories. PS: sorry for the late answer
So, and this is going to sound strange, but I find that your accent adds a certain amount of of presence or power to your videos. I get the sense that if you spoke Elvish regularly, it would be amazing. Happy to subscribe.
Thank you :) That is an interesting thought. I think being from Germany definitely helps with speaking elvish, because it is actually quite similar, when it comes to the pronunciation rules. Ofc the rolled "r" is not part of today's standard German anymore and only a dialect thing right now and we don't have the "th" sounds, which is always a bit difficult for Germans. Also thank you for the compliment :D
ThePhilosophersGames Interesting. I had never considered the similarities between the two I will have to look into it. In the mean time, may I make a request? One thing that's always interested me was the making and then changing of the actual landscape of the world. Could you possibly do a video going over some of that and explaining how Middle Earth physically became what it was in the Third Age?
That is a nice idea for a video. I put it on the list. I'm already in production of the next one, I also have at least one other lore topic on my list, that I want to do too. So it could take some time :D I think if you look at Old English (Rohan's language is actually Old English), you notice the germanic influences on the English language. E.g. Beowulf, which was a big influence for Tolkien's works: ua-cam.com/video/CH-_GwoO4xI/v-deo.html Elvish (Sindarin and esp. Quenya) sounds of course different, but the pronunciation rules are very similar, listen to Tolkien himself: ua-cam.com/video/6de_SbVUVfA/v-deo.html
Haha this is going to sound weird too, but I could listen to this guy pronounce all those fancy elvish character names all day, especially "Ecthelion", matter of fact that's the reason why I subscribed to his channel.. lol
Don't let those snooty comments on accent get you! Your English is just fine, and different people in the world speak English differently. Live with it!
No problem, they are actually quite rare. If I get a complaint (also relatively rare in comparison), then it's about the rolled "r" sounds in e.g. Elvish names ^^
Massive props on this man. I've been very curious about this pretty much my whole life but every time I've tried looking into it, obviously I was a little overwhelmed. Thank you👍🏻
My friend... You have done a TERRIFIC job of putting all this together for us. If you have made some minor mistakes you have still kept the story intact which by itself is a HUGE job that you have still kept all understandable AND interesting! WELL DONE INDEED!!! Thank you!!!
Thank you ^^ This was also one of the first Tolkien lore videos I did (actually the 2nd), so it's also a special video for me. Happy you liked it so much!
I like Tolkien's description of the Dark Years of Second Age in one of his letters, it summarizes everything vital about Second Age, continental Middle-earth (there's naturally much more :)): "But at the beginning of the Second Age he was still beautiful to look at, or could still assume a beautiful visible shape - and was not indeed wholly evil, not unless all 'reformers' who want to hurry up with 'reconstruction' and 'reorganization' are wholly evil, even before pride and the lust to exert their will eat them up. But many Elves listened to Sauron. He was still fair in that early time, and his motives and those of the Elves seemed to go partly together: the healing of the desolate lands. Sauron found their weak point in suggesting that, helping one another, they could make Western Middle-earth as beautiful as Valinor. It was really a veiled attack on the gods, an incitement to try and make a separate independent paradise. Gil-galad repulsed all such overtures, as also did Elrond. But at Eregion great work began - and the Elves came their nearest to falling to 'magic' and machinery. With the aid of Sauron's lore they made Rings of Power ('power' is an ominous and sinister word in all these tales, except as applied to the gods). Sauron dominates all the multiplying hordes of Men that have had no contact with the Elves and so indirectly with the true and Unfallen Valar and gods. Thus, as the Second Age draws on, we have a great Kingdom and evil theocracy (for Sauron is also the god of his slaves) growing up in Middle-earth. He rules a growing empire from the great dark tower of Barad-dûr in Mordor, near to the Mountain of Fire, wielding the One Ring." Near the end of the Second Age the famous War of the Last Alliance happens (the realms in exile Gondor and Arnor were founded near century before that so the cities Minas Ithil Minas Anor and Osgiliath were technically build in Second Age, the realms were founded in year 3320 of the Second Age). The end of that war is also the end of Second Age. After destruction of Sauron's physical form a Third Age officially begins. I also quite like how Tolkien describes Numenor situation during Ar-Pharazon's reign in some less known texts: "From Elendil's words at the end of The Lost Road there emerges a sinister picture: the withdrawal of the besotted and aging king from the public view, the unexplained disappearance of people unpopular with the 'government', informers, prisons, torture, secrecy, fear of the night; propaganda in the form of the 'rewriting of history' (...); the multiplication of weapons of war, the purpose of which is concealed but guessed at; and behind all the dreadful figure of Sauron, the real power, surveying the whole land from the Mountain of Numenor." Naturally the Lost Road 'canonicity' is probably dubious but still it's a nice picture of how it looked like when Sauron was playing around in Numenor.
It would be epic and like 10 movies. Alone Beren's and Lúthien's story. I just imagine the part were Beren "travels" over the Ered Gorgoroth with all its horros. Or the part where he fights against Morgoth's forces as one of his father's companions until the betrayal of Gorlim. It would be massive.
i enjoyed the hobbit series even if they should have just left it broken into 2 movies and i didnt find most of the cgi to be of poor quality but it wasnt perfect but in my opinion it didnt detract from the hobbit movies
@aaronsdavis The book was a children's book with hardly enough content. The battle of 5 armies is just a chapter in the book and bilbo sleeps through all of it. I am really glad that Peter Jackson showed the Dwarves in an epic light, just like the Elves and made the hobbit seem like a part of the same universe as LOTR. The book Hobbit does not even compare to the LOTR novels.
I hope this long Lord of the Rings lore video isn't boring. There are probably a few mistakes in it, too. Like Arnor's last king's name is Avedui not Avendui. In one text a space is missing and in the war against Angmar part, there are few parts that aren't precise (all this was going on for 550 years and Arvedui drowed before Eärnur arrived). If you have further questions, feel free to ask =) I hope you enjoyed the video.
ThePhilosophersGames super gemacht mein Freund hab zwar nicht alles verstanden aber da ich die Bücher gelesen habe konnte ich gut folgen .schade das du das nicht auch auf deutsch machst.wie dem auch sei weiter so
I found this guy through Men of the West's youtube channel. Very powerful lore history. I like his voice its almost as if he's a scholar from middle earth who's new to the Genre even though he's probably not, good work. I don't really give I shite if there's errors Just hearing about the marvel of the Tolkien Universe is dope, and don't let anyone call you a nerd for finding this fantasy awesome. This author was an masterfully accomplished linguist, wrote 3-4 LANGUAGES! Wrote a complete staple in literature, created the one type of storyline that everyone could enjoy weather your a reader of a movie goer or whatever, Tolkien Is their god in his universe. I am a poet, and I tip my hat to the dead man who lived waay before any of us even existed. That man is gonna go down in history as being the best writer of his age. NUFF SAID!
Late reply but I thought the exact same thing when I watched his Rohan video. I imagined him to be a modern day scholar from modern day Rohan, giving a lecture in heavy 'Rhohirric' accented Andunaic.
Its nice that people from around the world, from different countries, cultures and backgrounds, have an appreciation and passion for this material. Thats the amazing thing about JRR Tolkien's works. Its fitting in this video particularly because it seems like the Numenor story is one of the most fundamentally human in the Legendarium. Of course they were tempted by the idea of immortality. The Valar kind of set them up. Its kind of like putting some humans in a paradisical garden and telling them not to eat the fruit f of a particular forbidden tree.
I cracked a small smile at about 27:50, when you began talking about Firiel. At 28:03, unification of the lines of kings of Arnor and Gondor, the smile started growing. Finally, when you added Finarfin a chill when through my body, almost a tear. Tolkien weaved an amazing tale of an amazing world, didn't he?! This video summarizes the relationship of Aragorn II to Minas Ithil, to Numenor brilliantly!
Thank you! Much appreciated :) Yes he really created an amazing world with so much depth. You can almost always ask: "Who is this and what did he do?", and you find mind blowing answers.
Just stumbled on the channel and watched a few videos. Such a great channel, with exquisitely explained topics. Great job and keep up the good work mate!
Love your content. Super educational. I'm an animator, and working while listening to you explain the lore that I simply don't have the time to study is really relaxing. Thank you!
Thank you, happy you liked it. Yes, I can imagine, that it works quite well, listening to it in the background :D Should you ever stumble upon my Sauron video, be warned: the first part is really confusing ^^
ThePhilosophersGames I listened to it last night before bed, but missed a lot since I dosed off. Going to listen to it again while I work today. I'm shocked that their is so much lore, but it's super interesting!
Probably why Tolkien's work is almost so, so incredible..."Tall ships and tall kings three times three....what brought they from the founded lands over the flowing sea....seven stones and seven stars and one white tree...Something like that. Probably another reason why it is supposedly written in elevated syntax,
Thank you. I never would have thought, that people love Lord of the Rings lore videos that much :D Took me totally by surprise. Just thought: hmm a Shadow of Mordor successor announced, maybe make a video about the lore from the books perspective. And suddenly 19000 views O.O It's just crazy for me.
Yes, I will try doing more LotR videos. A little problem is, that they are often a lot of work and need tons of research. So I have to find a balance, because I enjoy making other gaming related content too. But there will be more. Maybe if new details about Shadow of War will be released, I find a new topic. Yes, I think I will most likely cover Shadow of War. But no promise :D
ThePhilosophersGames okay i see. I will stay tuned and hope more :D nice! I loved the first game and will play shadow of war aswell, but im so bad at those kind of games i will need all the tips and help i can find and watching you might help me to not suck at this one haha
This video surpassed all excellence. The pronunciation of names and places is fantastic, and all the history is laid in order perfectly. If Christopher Tolkien ever saw this, I think he would be as pleased as I am to have seen it.
Wow, that's a compliment =) Thank you. I'm happy you liked it. I put some work into getting the pronunciation right for the most part, so it's nice to hear that people like it.
haha thank you ^^ I think I mproved even further after this video. Also my opinions on pronunciation of names from Tolkien's universe became stronger and more consistent later on, but this one was still a very good and important video for me and my channel. So much appreciated ^^
Its a wonder how one man could spin a world of such epic dimensions and connect them in such an extraordinary way across thousands of years. This narrative really helps to shed some light into this incredible universe. Thank you.
Yes I agree. It's really mind blowing how much detail there is. I look into Tolkien's writings almost every day in some way due to having a Tolkien related YT channel and I still notice details I have not noticed before. Also thank you for your comment ^^ This was also one of my first lore videos, nice to see that people still enjoy my old content though I learnt a lot over the years and today I would probably make an even more detailed video 😅
I think your pronunciation and knowledge is admirable. Your accent is charming and adds to the video if you ask me :) great content! Thanks for your hard work putting these together
I love your presentations... thank you for taking the time to record and upload them. One thing I thought you might have missed (not at the end yet) is that initially women were passed over for the monarchy on Numenore... at some point this changed and the women could step up if they desired it. Aragorn is the descendant of the first child, a daughter of Elros I think, who did not have the opportunity to claim the monarchy. So had they been about equal rights, Aragorn would actually be the rightful King of all the Numenorians.
Happy you like my stuff and thank you :) Yes really a lot of time goes into the research of a topic (it's also my favourite part of making videos; editing is also fun), so much appreciated! PS: and welcome ^^
Thank you :) Sadly UA-cam knows no mercy, when you want your channel to grow xD I think I stopped apologizing in later videos, but early on I was very nervous, how people would like my stuff and I got suddenly a lot of views, even though my channel was very small.
Your narrating voice and pronunciation gives more value to this stories. Hoping to finish them soon. But a Series from 1st Age to 3rd Age would really be great and make lots of money
Sorry for the late answer. Thank you ^^ Yes I hope to finish the books/film series too, but it will take a ton of time. A similar series for all the Ages would be massive in that grade of detail. I think I can only provide videos on selected topics of these times.
Krass wie sehr sich deine englische Aussprache in den letzten Jahren verbessert hat. (Hab zuerst ein paar deiner neueren Videos gesehen) Fetter Daumen hoch dafür alleine.
Danke ^^ Yes I feel like I improved a lot over the years in so many areas. This was one of my first lore videos. Even though I still think it's a really good video, but I came a long way :)
Amazing narration. Really loved watching this video and finding out more about LOTR lore. I've read the original trilogy and watched the extended versions of the movie. This video really gave me more idea about LOTR. Looking forward to watch more of your videos.
Thank you! This was one of my first lore videos, I guess I improved in some areas over time (of making videos), but it's still oneI really like ^^ Happy you enjoyed it :)
Morgoth also had the majority of men on his side “and the elves do not forget it”.. indeed only the elves were “united”, as a race, against the dark foe and his allies. I know that’s not what you meant by using that term, but for some reason I’m compelled to add that clarification.
I'm a total Tolkien geek (I GM Middle Earth Role Playing) and I've really enjoyed your videos. Your research is excellent and your attention to detail leaves me in the dust. Thanks for providing great lore and entertainment.
Thank you :) So much time goes into research, when I make those videos, so that's a huge compliment for me! Happy you enjoyed it. Also thank you for commenting and watching ^^
No problem. In one of your videos you mention Glorfindel as reincarnated from Gondolin. I totally agree. I also have also reckoned that Legolas is reincarnated from "Legolas Greenleaf of the House of the Tree" who died in the retreat from Gondolin (think he killed a balrog, don't remember). Gandalf calls Legolas "Legolas Greenleaf" which is what makes me think this. You have any thoughts on that? I'd be interested to see what you think.
I think Glorfindel was originally planned to take the role of Legolas, but Tolkien invented Legolas instead. I don't know if there was a connection planned, but Glorfindel also fought in Gondolin. From the perspective of published version they can't be related or the same person, because Thranduil (Legolas' father) was born at the end of the First Age or even in the Second Age. He is quite "young" so to say. It's extremely likely, that his son Legolas from Lord of the Rings was born in the Second Age or even in the Third Age, so it would not fit. However in theory it is possible, since to my knowledge there are only indicators and theories, but no given birth dates of Thranduil and Legolas, but as said it seems unlikely.
Yeah, I only thought they might be the same in a reincarnation sense. Pure speculation on my part but as you say, very unlikely. Thanks for replying. BTW I didn't know that Glorfindel was supposed to be Legolas. that's pretty interesting. I always felt that Glorfindel was a bit underused in the books but now I see why, and Legolas is a brilliant character.
Nice job! What is truly astonishing and heart-rending is that the entire history of Tolkien's universe, including even his own gravestone, is this massive tale of good and evil, eventual 'victory' and heavy loss. Google his and his beloved wife Edith's grave, and it makes you weep.
thanks for this video; I particularly needed to see the lineages to make the link between the Silmarilion stories and the 3rd Age. It's also nice to learn that Isildur was a sneaky gardener before being corrupted; most of us only know him for the latter trait. (p.s., "built", not "builded")
No problem :) Yes some details can easily get lost. E.g. I learned quite a bit, by editing my videos and marking the events on the map, so I got a really good understanding where things happened. Same with lineages. I hope that i can transport that in my videos too. haha yes I know. Several people hinted me that it's "built" :D Interestingly someone also wrote, that originally the past form was "builded", but it changed over time to "built". Still thanks for the hint. Sometimes I don't notice little mistakes like this, because I'm too focused on other things ^^
Goosebumps :(( i dont wish for the movie itself but it would be amazing if it would be played just like the trilogy of lotr with very minima of cut scenes .. Damn youre so lit man kudos !
Mate, I’m English. Your English is perfect and pronunciation is perfect. If people dislike your videos because of your accent they aren’t worth your pipe smoke.
Thanks :) I really tried to include almost every detail, but some parts are probably still a bit imprecise :D Tolkien definitely had an eye for details. It's mind blowing.
ThePhilosophersGames One of your vids randomly appeared a few days ago, and I was so impressed that I couldn't stop watching for a few hours. This is really some damn detailed work. Thank You for the videos
That's nice to hear :D Yes it seems they work quite well with the YT algorithm, because I have far more views, than subscribers. But I won't complain ^^ The success also caught me by surprise to be honest. PS: haha no problem :) I like making them
I found your channel while watching the appendices of lotr. Really, really good work! And reading the comments I discovered why your accent not only sounds perfectly elvish and old english but has, to me, a very familiar sound too..wirklich gut gemacht, ein Abonnent mehr..hab das als Wink mit dem Zaunpfahl verstanden :-))
awesome video man:) thank you.. so funny I didn't realize I commented before on this video the first time saw it , this is my second time and of course i had the same reaction eh
Thank you :) Happy you liked it. I have to say this is my favorite lore video so far ^^ I will make more. But I hope the next is shorter than the Sauron video :P (that was a difficult video)
Yes, his uncle from like 6500+ years ago ^^ Galadriel is even older and the oldest known Elf in Middle-earth should be Círdan (no clue when Glorfindel was born, but he is also very old).
So happy to get a response at all let alone so quickly. Yeah, Celeborn fits in there somewhere, but Tolkien never seems to have decided if Celeborn was a Teleri who crossed the Helcaraxe with Galadriel or if he was an elf of Doriath. Either way he was related to Galadriel, I just wasn't sure what the relationship might be. Thanks for your research.
Yes, I red somewhere, that he never really decided and changed things here and there. A bit similar with Gil-galad. No problem, thank you for commenting ^^
Only one comment on one of the SoM/SoW videos. I agree Celebrimbor should be in HoM. There is one case in Silmarillion when Beren's companions are killed in a terrible way, and one of them appears to Beren as a wraith before he travels south to find Luthien. It would seem that men very rarely are not able to pass beyond the world in some extremely rare and fell cases. This would leave a possibility for Talion to be wraith while, but not for Celebrimbor to be called back from HoM by the servants of Sauron
Oh yes, Barahir's (and Beren's) companion Gorlim. I mention the story in my new "Who is Sauron?" video and I think in Shadow of Mordor you can find a skull, that references him. This would in deed be a possibility. But I think you could still argue, that Gorlim betrayed Barahir knowingly to Sauron ( and with this helping him), while Talion and Celebrimbor are actively opposing Sauron. Gorlim tried to warn Beren out of regret. Maybe he did not go to the Halls of Mandos, because of his regret and trying to warn Beren. It's definitely a strange and grim story, that is also very interesting. Good point!
From that diagram, if Aragorn comes from the line of Kings of Numenor and that's where you can trace Arwens heritage to as well... Isn't it kind of EEEHH? Granted, over that time the bloodline would surely be diluted enough but it depends on how you want to look at it :P How many generations is that?
yes, they are related, but Aragorn is born 6500 years after Elrond. So a lot of generations are between them. Númenor alone had 25 Kings. Gondor 33 and then there was a gap of 1000 years. In addition all those kings live for several hundred years. So it's like two persons being directly related 2000 years before the Great Pyramid of Giza was built.
I hate how in the movies, all you see of Anarion is a quick flash of him at the battle of the last alliance.....why the film maker chose to focus on Isildur, and completely omit anarion from the story is quite puzzling..... he has a very interesting character back story that I guess couldn’t be developed due to time and budget constraints....;( Still, it would have been nice to see him more than once for more than 2 seconds, and get ONE reference from steward denethor II......
I find it interesting too, that we have one reference in the Extended Edition, but he is cut from every other place. It's strange, but I assume it's due to avoiding too many names and time limitations. When they made the prologue, they had originally only 2 minutes at best (actually there should be no prologue at all). And then at the end the shortest they could make it was like 7 minutes and they could barely defend this decision. So it makes sense to cut him out, because their story works without Anárion. To explain the role of this character you need to explain more of the Second Age and the line of the kings, which never really happens. We only know about Denethor II not being King and just ruling until a new King takes the throne of Gondor. By experience I can say: when making film/videos time and structure are always a problem. And not breaking your structure sometimes reinquires sacrifices.
ThePhilosophersGames not only have I enjoyed it. It has been of incredible help for a project I am currently writing for. And as I re-read the Silmarillion this channel has honestly been critical in my newly grown understanding of it. I sincerely don’t know how to tell you how much I have appreciated your content since I have dreamed of these myths since I has 9yo. Keep it up, I’ll be waiting for your content :)
That's an interesting question. There is some discussion about if those 2 Glorfindel were actually the same person. Originally not, he just burrowed the name when writing Lord of the Rings from his earlier works. But in some unpublished texts, Tolkien later mentions, that Glorfindel got revived and later sent back to Middle-earth. Check this article for more: tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Glorfindel#Controversy I personally would agree, that they are the same person.
@ThePhilosophersGame, thank you for another superb LOTR exploration/explanation. 🙂🌿🌻🌿🙏🌿🌻🌿😊 Please, could you explain more about who the Witch King of Angmar is? Is that Sauron in another form, by another name? Or is the Witch King a different character entirely, & if so, who is he? Where is he from? What's his back-story, please? This character is quite a mystery to me! Thank you again for this deeply researched video about Aragorn & his forebears--I watched it twice today! 🙂🌿🌷🌿💚🌿🌷🌿😊
no problem. This was one of my first lore videos I made 4 years ago; time moves fast 😅 Happy you liked it. I have neglected the Nazgûl a bit on my channel. I briefly talk about them in my very detailed book analysis (also book and film differences) series: ua-cam.com/video/qe-4l74B8mw/v-deo.html You maybe have to look out for Nazgûl in the title (episodes work mostly as stand alones I think). To answer your question briefly: We don't know exactly who the Witchking is. Sauron (after he got most the Rings of Power back) gave 9 Rings to lords of Men (from Númenor and maybe one was a King of the Easterlings, but definitely an Easterling), and they got power through the rings too. Over time though they were slowly transformed into Wraith (Ringwraith -> Nazgûl) under the will of Sauron and the One Ring (int his form they are 100% under Sauron's will; they are undead ghosts you could say, that mostly exist in the Unseen). We know only the name of one of them Khamûl (also "the Black Easterling"). He must have been an Easterling (maybe a king). The others (three according to the Silamrillion) were likely Númenoreans that resided at Númenorean settlements on Middle-earth (Númenor is an Island where the Dúnedain lived once; they were pretty advanced and it can be compared to Atlantis). They first appeared Second Age 2251 (according to Appendix B in The Lord of the Rings; so roughly 3200 years before the events of LotR). As mentioned only 3 were Númenoreans + at least one Easterling. The remaining 5 could be other lords of Men maybe from the South (Haradrim) or even North (Northmen) or more Easterlings. We don't know. Khamûl was among the Ringwraiths 2nd in command. 1st was the Witchking. Who he was we don't know, but most likely a Númenorean from one of the mentioned settlements. The Númenoreans were later separated into 2 factions you could say: The King's Men and the Faithful. The Faithful were as the name suggests faithful to Eru (God) and his High Powers in Aman (Valar) (also friends of the Elves). The King's Men were on the side of the Númenoeran Kings, which over time more and more opposed Eru, the Valar and the Elves, because they were jealous of their immortality (and other things), though traditionally (at the beginning of Númenor's history) Númenor was devoted to Eru and the Valar and close friends with Elves, which helped them develop. (as explained in this video). It's now likely that the Witchking and the other who could have been Númenoran lords were Kings' Men too. We don't know. Later when Sauron was defeated at the End of the Second Age (through the Last Alliances) and fled into the far East, the Witchking became active at one point and took himself a realm North of Arnor (which split into 3 separate Kingdoms), which was called Angmar. Angmar assimilated one of them (Rhudaur you can find it on maps) and it basically became part of Angmar too if you want. In the end Arnor was destroyed, but Angmar too. And from this time the Witchking becme the Witchking of Angmar. His name and deeds suggests, that he had some powers (through the Ring of power and Sauron). E.g. he summoned the Barrow wights (weird evil spirits) to infest the Barrow downs, where some of the remainign Lords of Cardolan (once Arnor) hid and with this destroyed Cardolan completely. He appears of here and there again. he later conquers Minas Ithil for Sauron, which ten became Minas Morgul and he most likely killed the last King of Gondor Eärnur (challenged him to a duel and the King was never seen again). Ofc he was active during The Lord of the Rings too, etc. But that is all we know. I don't have a good theory who he might have been. He was definitely not a name we know from the lore in my opinion. Some lord maybe from Umbar (far to the south of Gondor).
@@ThePhilosophersGames , oh my goodness, wow! Thank you bunches for taking the time to write back with such a thoughtful, thorough reply! Your kindness is much appreciated, along with your helpful insights. Many, many thanks! 🙏🌿🌷🌿😊💚😘🌿🌷🌿🙏
haha no problem ^^ I really like answering questions, but ofc longer answers can eat some time ^^ Hint because I did not state that 100% correctly. Only three of the nine Nazgûl are mentioned to be Númenóreans. So the 5 others could be haradrim (men from the far South), Northmen, maybe additional Easterlings, etc. (I have corrected this in the longer answer above)
I wouldn’t describe numenor as being in the “middle” of the ocean as you say.....considering that from its west coast, you could SEE Tol Eressa, which was JUST off the coast of valinor.....so the dunedain were pretty much able to see Valinor from the western province of numenor.....so it was much closer to Valinor, than middle earth I think.
Good point :) Ofc it's hard to place. I oriented a lot on Karen Wynn Fonstad for my globe sketch and she placed it in the middle. I think the middle is probably the best compromise for it. Also it must be considered, that in the Silmarillion Elves in Aman could see the smoke of the burning ships at Middle-earth's coast. Ofc there is more too it, but as said: it's a compromise.
The little was just referring to the number of Balrogs. Originally in early drafts Morgoth had real armies of Balrogs, but they weren't as powerful. He later changed this to less than a dozen (probably around 7 Balrogs), but made them more powerful. Ofc now one Balrog is like an army, but they are still very few in numbers. I think that was my way ofc phrasing this carefully with out delivering a long explanation.
This is really good work..! Excellent..! I commend you on your efforts and offer my respect and admiration. I am myself quite crazy about the LOTR saga and all things connected, so I can appreciate to some extent, the very substantial amount of work you must have had to lay down in the production of your videos. I know I would not have been able to do it better. You have done great. Thank you very much for doing this. I for one am very glad of it. Now, on another tip - what's with this whining from some of you about the dude's pronounciation and the way he rolls the r's..? I mean, for one thing he explains that in several vids - he is trying to stay true to how he has understood the way Tolkien himself says to pronounce names. Give the man a break. This is not his first language and you can hear that he struggles a little with certain tongue twists. I feel that these things rather underscore the quality of the effort laid down in the making of these vids..! It does no harm to be a bit appreciative of someone else's hard work, especially when it is done as a service to you.
Thank you, much appreciated :) Yes, "tongue twists" is a very good description of my struggles ^^ E.g. switching between the English "s" and "th" sounds is so difficult for me. Happily he majority of people is really supportive and friendly in my comment section here and I'm very thankful for that. I've seen far far worse comment sections on YT. Happy you enjoyed my content!
@@ThePhilosophersGames So you read all the other books of Tolkien? I binge watch the Hobbit and LODR last weekend again, and I have a chat of my co workers who's a fan also and told me that there are many branch of the back story of that franchise so I started to research and saw your channel. Sadly most of his books weren't finish because it was not that famous in his time...
Yes at some point I red most of them. Some I read more often than others though and because it's so much I also forget details quite often again. Yes I can imagine. The later books (by Tolkien's son Christopher, who published his father drafts and notes in them) are not that well known and can be tough to read, if you don't know the main books (Hobbit, LotR + Appendices and The Silmarillion). The Silmarillion (LotR backstory the book) was also published posthumously by Christopher Tolkien, who basically composed it out of his fathers works too and finalized it. It should be available in all kinds of languages (I assume third most popular book). How canon it is, is often debated under Tolkien fans. Same goes for all the published notes. But with all of it, there is a ton of backstory. Translations of the 12 (13) History of Middle-earth books, Unfinished Tales, Letters, Great Tales etc are probably far more limited. I think only two of the 12 History of Middle-earth books even have e.g. a German translation. I have a lot of stuff on my channel, but the information density can be very high (e.g. the Who is Sauron or the History of the Elves videos; those cover basically all ages a a lot of lore in case you are interested).
@@ThePhilosophersGames I started to explore your channel and it was a long journey for me. Definitely watch all your videos(already subscribed:) ) whenever I have a time and started to search where I can buy Tolkiens books. So basically it is better to start to read The hobbit or can I jump to LOTR instantly? Kindly recommend me the chronological order of the books.:) Definitely wanted to know the story of Luthein and Beren. That would be interesting. ;) Tolkiens universe were amazing.yup. it really took a lot of time just to put it piece by piece..Thank God there's no technology in that time and they have more time to explore their imagination :)... I also red that he was a friend or acquaintance of Lewis who's the creator or Narnia... That's why it felt like even a little, they have the same feels.. Imagine all the great authors were gathered and discussing their universe in a long porch while having a tea or something...
Thank you :) Definitely start with Hobbit and LotR (+ Appendices at least Appendix A and B). The Silmarillion can be tough to read, it's a bit like the bible, but you need to know LotR to really understand the Silmarillion. The backstory of it gives LotR a lot more depth. After That I would say Unfinished Tales (and maybe the Great Tales), Letters of Tolkien, maybe Tolkien's LotR related poetry and the History of Middle-earth books last. This video goes into a bit more detail for the reading order: ua-cam.com/video/lEwqWn6ftYQ/v-deo.html
The most important thing about who he is has to do with his ancestors. Specifically Luthien. Regarded as the most beautiful to ever live. Her Mom was a Maia who married an Elf. She then married a Man in one hell of a story. Aragon not only was man and had the blood of an Elf but also Maia blood. Which is what Gandolf and the darklord were.
I didn’t know the White Tree had been replanted 3 or 4 different times. But after watching that, it makes sense as to why he was the only one who could unite the kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor.
Before I started research for this video, I knew it was replanted at least once, but was surprised too, that it was so many times. One day I probably make a short video just about the history of those White Trees ^^ Thanks for commenting :)
Thank you :) (I had to google translate, but I understood it partially, because I had Latin in school :D) Sadly I don't speak Spanish and co. I always wanted to learn it (and Japanese), but never did =/
By the way. If you want to train the ear while you listen to the stories of Tolkien, I leave you a program of audio-reports that treat the work of the Master from time to time. www.ivoox.com/ainulindale-j-r-r-tolkien-audios-mp3_rf_4606955_1.html www.ivoox.com/valaquenta-j-r-r-tolkien-audios-mp3_rf_11286313_1.html A strong greeting and that you continue with your excellent work for a long time.
Agreed! Also thank you again. I'll for sure continue :) Yes it's never to late to learn a language ^^ I'll try it one day. haha that's cool, I'll bookmark them :D
Hey ThePhilosophersGames, are you from South Africa? You kinda sound like it with your accent, uh, I was think either that or Maybe Denmark or The Netherlands? Where are you from? I am just curious. I am American myself, from New York.
Happy to hear :) Yes the lore is often overwhelming. Bringing everything into an order is really difficult. Structuring my videos is a part that eats a lot of time when making the videos, so I totally understand what you mean. Thank you for commenting too ^^
I agree with you, John. I've read the books numerous times, just for the pleasure of the story, not getting too much into the rest. However, over the years I've, of course, had a few questions about various aspects ;-), just a few, which are getting answered in these amazing, in-depth videos of true-blue LotR scholarly fans! I had a very hard time with The Silmarillion back when it was first available and haven't attempted it again, but I will soon, as well as the other books on Middle Earth from the Tolkeins. I'm almost embarrassed and ashamed to say I haven't read those yet because I Love the stories sooo much from the very first reading of The Hobbit in 1971! Loved the movies, but I was annoyed with some of the changes that were made that were totally unnecessary, even for the sake of drama, but the films were amazing and well-done on so many levels. Just watched all of The Hobbit movies this past week for the first time, too. Wish I'd seen them in the theater (hopefully, they'll have another run some day). A lot of what went on were not in the books, and at least the story of Azog being hot for Thorin's head actually did add a dramatic twist though it wasn't in the book. The little love story between Kili and Tauriel, though, could've been left out, I think, though it's nice to have a little romance in a movie, but Not Here. Tolkein did not write romances, and Peter Jackson took too much liberty with that part, I think. Arwen and Aragorn were one thing, we knew they Loved each other so was fitting to elaborate on that. But Kili and Tauriel's romance is too much (there was no Tauriel in The Hobbit at all, if I remember right, so where did she come from? PJ's mind, apparently). Just MHO. Thanks so much to ThePhilosophersGames for making these wonderful videos for us! You are doing an amazing job, please don't stop! :-D
@@pjwhite1002 Thank you, happy you like them :) You remember correctly. Tauriel was made up for the Hobbit movies and I really agree, it was not needed at all. Also the Azog twist worked well in the films in my opinion too (at least I can understand the change). I have my problems with the Hobbit trilogy, but I must say the Extended Edition adds some nice things and fill some wholes. The Simarillion is tough to read, even though it's really interesting and has some amazing stories in it, so I fully understand you ^^ Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
East of Middle-earth is the Land of the Sun (where the sun rises through the Gates of Morning) and south of Middle-earth (it's also east of it between Middle-earth and the Land of the Sun) is also the Dark Land. Ungoliant (Shelob's mother hid there, maybe devouring herself there). Not much is known about those continents. Númenoreans visited them though it seems.
Fenixproductions points out below that Aragorn and Arwen are distant cousins. True enough, so are Galadriel and Elrond and so are Elrond and his wife Celebrian.
Yes, but Elrond and Celeborn are also relatives (the daughter of Celeborn's niece, is Elrond's mother), So Celebrian is the cousin of Elrond's grandfather (Celeborn is the brother of Elrond's great-grandmother) ^^ The connection to Galadriel is a bit complicated. Elrond's great grandfather is the cousin of Galadriel. Quite innteresting.
Thanks :) Yes I feel you. Sometimes I mix up things, I have red like 2 month ago (and made a video about) and need to re-read them. It's just too much lore. All the small details. But reading is still fun, so I don't mind :D
So I have started with it. But right now I have uploaded only 2 so far, this one and the Dragon Lore video. It's really only the audio track of it - which is probably not ideal. Hope it helps soundcloud.com/user-500513253 Aragorn's and Númenor's Lore: soundcloud.com/user-500513253/the-long-story-of-aragorn-minas-ithil-and-numenor-tolkien-lore-spoilers Dragon's Lore: soundcloud.com/user-500513253/dragons-of-the-lord-of-the-rings-universe-smaug-glaurung-ancalagon-scatha-lore-spoilers I hope it works out :D Still I would appreciate it, if you visit my YT channel from time to time too :)
So, monolith game change the lore a little bit. They say that the game Shadow of War will set betwen The Hobbit and the begining of the LOTR. So, they could not show the fall of minas ithil, because this event hapenned long before the borning of Bilbo himself. I see and consider this "middle-earth" saga, like a good loocking and well writen fanfic, but we can not consider these games to learn about Tolkien's world. Sorry for the english XD
Exactly. Yes, the games are like an alternate universe, but maybe close to the movies. In the Hobbit movies the timeline was also very compressed (all the white council stuff happened over a long time) and some things got changed.
[Legolas voice] He is Aragorn, son of Arathorn. You owe him your allegiance
Nice one ^^
Aragorn? This...is Isildur's heir? Gondor has no king. Gondor needs no king!
Poor, misguided Boromir...may he rest in peace
My question is...if this line was unknown to gondor...how come when Boromir heard his true name he suddenly went woah....hes my king...nahhhh
Like by just saying is father they knew his lineage....how?
Nevermind lol found a LOOOONG detailed answer
but my name is arathorn “keng/keeg” thao
This video is a great summary of the great lines of Elves and Men. I don’t think from watching the movies ppl will realize just how important Aragorn is considering his lineage going back to Numenor. The fact that all of this came from one man, Tolkien, makes me feel like an insect whilst this man created a fictional world so deep and complete with so many dif Gods, races, and languages.
Thank you :) Yes from the movies alone this story and Aragorn's importance is pretty much lost (only hinted). Yes, Tolkien's creation is really impressive. He managed to connect all the stories.
PS: sorry for the late answer
So, and this is going to sound strange, but I find that your accent adds a certain amount of of presence or power to your videos. I get the sense that if you spoke Elvish regularly, it would be amazing. Happy to subscribe.
Thank you :) That is an interesting thought. I think being from Germany definitely helps with speaking elvish, because it is actually quite similar, when it comes to the pronunciation rules. Ofc the rolled "r" is not part of today's standard German anymore and only a dialect thing right now and we don't have the "th" sounds, which is always a bit difficult for Germans.
Also thank you for the compliment :D
ThePhilosophersGames Interesting. I had never considered the similarities between the two I will have to look into it.
In the mean time, may I make a request? One thing that's always interested me was the making and then changing of the actual landscape of the world. Could you possibly do a video going over some of that and explaining how Middle Earth physically became what it was in the Third Age?
That is a nice idea for a video. I put it on the list. I'm already in production of the next one, I also have at least one other lore topic on my list, that I want to do too. So it could take some time :D
I think if you look at Old English (Rohan's language is actually Old English), you notice the germanic influences on the English language. E.g. Beowulf, which was a big influence for Tolkien's works:
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Elvish (Sindarin and esp. Quenya) sounds of course different, but the pronunciation rules are very similar, listen to Tolkien himself:
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Haha this is going to sound weird too, but I could listen to this guy pronounce all those fancy elvish character names all day, especially "Ecthelion", matter of fact that's the reason why I subscribed to his channel.. lol
Weil er die Stimme einer Elfe hat.
Don't let those snooty comments on accent get you! Your English is just fine, and different people in the world speak English differently. Live with it!
No problem, they are actually quite rare. If I get a complaint (also relatively rare in comparison), then it's about the rolled "r" sounds in e.g. Elvish names ^^
I'm 99% sure that this is how they spoke in Gondor ☺
I love your accent, thats one of the reasons i watch these videos ! Keep it up man ! Huge fan
I love the narration. It seems that i am living in middle earth listening to your voice. Love it
Thank you, happy you like it :)
Massive props on this man. I've been very curious about this pretty much my whole life but every time I've tried looking into it, obviously I was a little overwhelmed. Thank you👍🏻
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
My friend... You have done a TERRIFIC job of putting all this together for us. If you have made some minor mistakes you have still kept the story intact which by itself is a HUGE job that you have still kept all understandable AND interesting! WELL DONE INDEED!!! Thank you!!!
Thank you ^^ This was also one of the first Tolkien lore videos I did (actually the 2nd), so it's also a special video for me. Happy you liked it so much!
I like Tolkien's description of the Dark Years of Second Age in one of his letters, it summarizes everything vital about Second Age, continental Middle-earth (there's naturally much more :)):
"But at the beginning of the Second Age he was still beautiful to look at, or could still assume a beautiful visible shape - and was not indeed wholly evil, not unless
all 'reformers' who want to hurry up with 'reconstruction' and 'reorganization' are wholly evil, even before pride and the lust to exert their will eat them up. But many Elves listened to Sauron. He was still fair in that early time, and his motives and those of the Elves
seemed to go partly together: the healing of the desolate lands. Sauron found their weak point in suggesting that, helping one another, they could make Western Middle-earth as beautiful as Valinor. It was really a veiled attack on the gods, an incitement to try and make a separate independent paradise. Gil-galad repulsed all such overtures, as also did Elrond. But at Eregion great work began - and the Elves came their nearest to falling to 'magic' and machinery. With the aid of Sauron's lore they made Rings of Power ('power' is an ominous and sinister word in all these tales, except as applied to the gods). Sauron dominates
all the multiplying hordes of Men that have had no contact with the Elves and so indirectly with the true and Unfallen Valar and gods.
Thus, as the Second Age draws on, we have a great Kingdom and evil theocracy (for Sauron is also the god of his slaves) growing up in Middle-earth. He rules a growing empire from the great dark tower of Barad-dûr in Mordor, near to the Mountain of Fire, wielding the
One Ring."
Near the end of the Second Age the famous War of the Last Alliance happens (the realms in exile Gondor and Arnor were founded near century before that so the cities Minas Ithil Minas Anor and Osgiliath were technically build in Second Age, the realms were founded in year 3320 of the Second Age). The end of that war is also the end of Second Age. After destruction of Sauron's physical form a Third Age officially begins. I also quite like how Tolkien describes Numenor situation during Ar-Pharazon's reign in some less known texts:
"From Elendil's words at the end of The Lost Road there emerges a sinister picture: the withdrawal of the besotted and aging king from the public view, the unexplained disappearance of people unpopular with the 'government', informers, prisons, torture, secrecy, fear of the night; propaganda in the form of the 'rewriting of history'
(...); the multiplication of weapons of war, the purpose of which is concealed but guessed at; and behind all the dreadful figure of Sauron, the real power, surveying the whole land from the Mountain of Numenor."
Naturally the Lost Road 'canonicity' is probably dubious but still it's a nice picture of how it looked like when Sauron was playing around in Numenor.
holy shit, can you imagine what a movie about the war against morgoth would be like?
It would be epic and like 10 movies. Alone Beren's and Lúthien's story. I just imagine the part were Beren "travels" over the Ered Gorgoroth with all its horros. Or the part where he fights against Morgoth's forces as one of his father's companions until the betrayal of Gorlim. It would be massive.
it would be a CGI shitshow like The Hobbit. iwould love to see it adapted well but The Hobbit trilogy made me lose faith in Peter Jackson.
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i enjoyed the hobbit series even if they should have just left it broken into 2 movies and i didnt find most of the cgi to be of poor quality but it wasnt perfect but in my opinion it didnt detract from the hobbit movies
@aaronsdavis The book was a children's book with hardly enough content. The battle of 5 armies is just a chapter in the book and bilbo sleeps through all of it. I am really glad that Peter Jackson showed the Dwarves in an epic light, just like the Elves and made the hobbit seem like a part of the same universe as LOTR. The book Hobbit does not even compare to the LOTR novels.
I hope this long Lord of the Rings lore video isn't boring. There are probably a few mistakes in it, too. Like Arnor's last king's name is Avedui not Avendui. In one text a space is missing and in the war against Angmar part, there are few parts that aren't precise (all this was going on for 550 years and Arvedui drowed before Eärnur arrived). If you have further questions, feel free to ask =) I hope you enjoyed the video.
ThePhilosophersGames excellent stuff as usual
Epic😏
ThePhilosophersGames super gemacht mein Freund hab zwar nicht alles verstanden aber da ich die Bücher gelesen habe konnte ich gut folgen .schade das du das nicht auch auf deutsch machst.wie dem auch sei weiter so
It was excellent, not boring at all.
Taner Altun Ich bezweifle, dass er dich versteht :D
I found this guy through Men of the West's youtube channel. Very powerful lore history. I like his voice its almost as if he's a scholar from middle earth who's new to the Genre even though he's probably not, good work. I don't really give I shite if there's errors Just hearing about the marvel of the Tolkien Universe is dope, and don't let anyone call you a nerd for finding this fantasy awesome. This author was an masterfully accomplished linguist, wrote 3-4 LANGUAGES! Wrote a complete staple in literature, created the one type of storyline that everyone could enjoy weather your a reader of a movie goer or whatever, Tolkien Is their god in his universe. I am a poet, and I tip my hat to the dead man who lived waay before any of us even existed. That man is gonna go down in history as being the best writer of his age. NUFF SAID!
Late reply but I thought the exact same thing when I watched his Rohan video. I imagined him to be a modern day scholar from modern day Rohan, giving a lecture in heavy 'Rhohirric' accented Andunaic.
I absolutely love the rolled R's! And the pronunciations are very well thought out and elegant ,as the source material deserves, great job!
Thank you :) Yes I think language is a big part of Tolkien's works and I can at least try to say the names right (ofc I mess up at times).
Its nice that people from around the world, from different countries, cultures and backgrounds, have an appreciation and passion for this material. Thats the amazing thing about JRR Tolkien's works. Its fitting in this video particularly because it seems like the Numenor story is one of the most fundamentally human in the Legendarium. Of course they were tempted by the idea of immortality. The Valar kind of set them up. Its kind of like putting some humans in a paradisical garden and telling them not to eat the fruit f
of a particular forbidden tree.
Yes agreed. It's so nice that it connects people around the world. Also very good point.
This is my favorite video of yours that I've heard so far, because the history if Aragorn's bloodline is such a fiendishly complex subject. Nice work.
I cracked a small smile at about 27:50, when you began talking about Firiel.
At 28:03, unification of the lines of kings of Arnor and Gondor, the smile started growing.
Finally, when you added Finarfin a chill when through my body, almost a tear.
Tolkien weaved an amazing tale of an amazing world, didn't he?!
This video summarizes the relationship of Aragorn II to Minas Ithil, to Numenor brilliantly!
Thank you! Much appreciated :)
Yes he really created an amazing world with so much depth. You can almost always ask: "Who is this and what did he do?", and you find mind blowing answers.
Just stumbled on the channel and watched a few videos. Such a great channel, with exquisitely explained topics. Great job and keep up the good work mate!
Thank you =) Much appreciated. I'll try :D
Love your content. Super educational. I'm an animator, and working while listening to you explain the lore that I simply don't have the time to study is really relaxing. Thank you!
Thank you, happy you liked it. Yes, I can imagine, that it works quite well, listening to it in the background :D Should you ever stumble upon my Sauron video, be warned: the first part is really confusing ^^
ThePhilosophersGames I listened to it last night before bed, but missed a lot since I dosed off. Going to listen to it again while I work today. I'm shocked that their is so much lore, but it's super interesting!
Probably why Tolkien's work is almost so, so incredible..."Tall ships and tall kings three times three....what brought they from the founded lands over the flowing sea....seven stones and seven stars and one white tree...Something like that. Probably another reason why it is supposedly written in elevated syntax,
Yes agreed. Tolkien's world is so rich and well written, it never stops to amaze me :)
a very good job! keep the lotr lore coming! cheers from sweden
Thank you. I never would have thought, that people love Lord of the Rings lore videos that much :D Took me totally by surprise. Just thought: hmm a Shadow of Mordor successor announced, maybe make a video about the lore from the books perspective. And suddenly 19000 views O.O It's just crazy for me.
ThePhilosophersGames haha yeah. i hope you will keep doing videos about lotr.
Will you cover shadow of war when it comes out?
Yes, I will try doing more LotR videos. A little problem is, that they are often a lot of work and need tons of research. So I have to find a balance, because I enjoy making other gaming related content too. But there will be more. Maybe if new details about Shadow of War will be released, I find a new topic.
Yes, I think I will most likely cover Shadow of War. But no promise :D
ThePhilosophersGames okay i see. I will stay tuned and hope more :D
nice! I loved the first game and will play shadow of war aswell, but im so bad at those kind of games i will need all the tips and help i can find and watching you might help me to not suck at this one haha
haha Well I like making guides for Dark Souls, so why not make something similar for Shadow of War :D
This video surpassed all excellence. The pronunciation of names and places is fantastic, and all the history is laid in order perfectly. If Christopher Tolkien ever saw this, I think he would be as pleased as I am to have seen it.
Wow, that's a compliment =) Thank you. I'm happy you liked it. I put some work into getting the pronunciation right for the most part, so it's nice to hear that people like it.
Key point of the story: Be the bad guy, you can always come back...
:D But do not lose your rings!
The bad guys lose in the end as they should
But don't bind your life force to a magic ring
That's what I thought when I read Silmarillion. "why cant Valar kill Sauron or Morgoth?" They have so many chances
This narration and the pronunciation skills tho! Wow.
haha thank you ^^ I think I mproved even further after this video. Also my opinions on pronunciation of names from Tolkien's universe became stronger and more consistent later on, but this one was still a very good and important video for me and my channel. So much appreciated ^^
Thanks, you made the story understandable and enjoyable, loved the graphics!!!
Its a wonder how one man could spin a world of such epic dimensions and connect them in such an extraordinary way across thousands of years. This narrative really helps to shed some light into this incredible universe. Thank you.
Yes I agree. It's really mind blowing how much detail there is. I look into Tolkien's writings almost every day in some way due to having a Tolkien related YT channel and I still notice details I have not noticed before. Also thank you for your comment ^^ This was also one of my first lore videos, nice to see that people still enjoy my old content though I learnt a lot over the years and today I would probably make an even more detailed video 😅
I think your pronunciation and knowledge is admirable. Your accent is charming and adds to the video if you ask me :) great content! Thanks for your hard work putting these together
haha happy you like the accent and me trying to pronounce name somewhat correct ^^ (not all people do)
Thank you, much appreciated!
Glad to see your subscriber list has grown significantly!
I love your presentations... thank you for taking the time to record and upload them. One thing I thought you might have missed (not at the end yet) is that initially women were passed over for the monarchy on Numenore... at some point this changed and the women could step up if they desired it. Aragorn is the descendant of the first child, a daughter of Elros I think, who did not have the opportunity to claim the monarchy. So had they been about equal rights, Aragorn would actually be the rightful King of all the Numenorians.
finally UA-cam recommends something I genuinely like. so happy I stumbled across this channel
haha yes at times UA-cam recommendations are quite bad. Happy you found your way to my channel ^^
Been watching a lot of your videos recently. Thank you for the massive research you must have done to produce these videos. Top notch! New sub added!
Happy you like my stuff and thank you :) Yes really a lot of time goes into the research of a topic (it's also my favourite part of making videos; editing is also fun), so much appreciated! PS: and welcome ^^
Stop rushing!!! I love your work, it's more than worth the wait! LOVE long vids! Stop apologizing!!!!
Thank you :) Sadly UA-cam knows no mercy, when you want your channel to grow xD I think I stopped apologizing in later videos, but early on I was very nervous, how people would like my stuff and I got suddenly a lot of views, even though my channel was very small.
Your narrating voice and pronunciation gives more value to this stories. Hoping to finish them soon.
But a Series from 1st Age to 3rd Age would really be great and make lots of money
Sorry for the late answer. Thank you ^^ Yes I hope to finish the books/film series too, but it will take a ton of time.
A similar series for all the Ages would be massive in that grade of detail. I think I can only provide videos on selected topics of these times.
Thank you for the videos. You make it easy to understand. I really appreciate the work you have put into this.
No problem. It's fun making those, even though a lot of work. Thanks, it's very nice to hear so much positive feedback =)
Krass wie sehr sich deine englische Aussprache in den letzten Jahren verbessert hat. (Hab zuerst ein paar deiner neueren Videos gesehen)
Fetter Daumen hoch dafür alleine.
Danke ^^ Yes I feel like I improved a lot over the years in so many areas. This was one of my first lore videos. Even though I still think it's a really good video, but I came a long way :)
Amazing work!!!! VERY 👍 well done
Thank you :)
Wow thank you for breaking down all this information!! Very interesting!
No problem, happy you liked :)
Deserves more subs than any other tolkien novel story teller..
Thank you :P
What a video! Thank you so much for this!
Amazing narration. Really loved watching this video and finding out more about LOTR lore. I've read the original trilogy and watched the extended versions of the movie. This video really gave me more idea about LOTR. Looking forward to watch more of your videos.
Thank you! This was one of my first lore videos, I guess I improved in some areas over time (of making videos), but it's still oneI really like ^^ Happy you enjoyed it :)
love these videos they are informative and great to listen to. thanks
Thank you, happy you enjoy my videos :)
Morgoth also had the majority of men on his side “and the elves do not forget it”.. indeed only the elves were “united”, as a race, against the dark foe and his allies. I know that’s not what you meant by using that term, but for some reason I’m compelled to add that clarification.
I'm a total Tolkien geek (I GM Middle Earth Role Playing) and I've really enjoyed your videos. Your research is excellent and your attention to detail leaves me in the dust. Thanks for providing great lore and entertainment.
Thank you :) So much time goes into research, when I make those videos, so that's a huge compliment for me! Happy you enjoyed it. Also thank you for commenting and watching ^^
No problem. In one of your videos you mention Glorfindel as reincarnated from Gondolin. I totally agree. I also have also reckoned that Legolas is reincarnated from "Legolas Greenleaf of the House of the Tree" who died in the retreat from Gondolin (think he killed a balrog, don't remember). Gandalf calls Legolas "Legolas Greenleaf" which is what makes me think this. You have any thoughts on that? I'd be interested to see what you think.
I think Glorfindel was originally planned to take the role of Legolas, but Tolkien invented Legolas instead. I don't know if there was a connection planned, but Glorfindel also fought in Gondolin. From the perspective of published version they can't be related or the same person, because Thranduil (Legolas' father) was born at the end of the First Age or even in the Second Age. He is quite "young" so to say. It's extremely likely, that his son Legolas from Lord of the Rings was born in the Second Age or even in the Third Age, so it would not fit. However in theory it is possible, since to my knowledge there are only indicators and theories, but no given birth dates of Thranduil and Legolas, but as said it seems unlikely.
Yeah, I only thought they might be the same in a reincarnation sense. Pure speculation on my part but as you say, very unlikely. Thanks for replying. BTW I didn't know that Glorfindel was supposed to be Legolas. that's pretty interesting. I always felt that Glorfindel was a bit underused in the books but now I see why, and Legolas is a brilliant character.
Nice job!
What is truly astonishing and heart-rending is that the entire history of Tolkien's universe, including even his own gravestone, is this massive tale of good and evil, eventual 'victory' and heavy loss. Google his and his beloved wife Edith's grave, and it makes you weep.
Yes it it :) He was extremely dedicated, but also his son Christopher Tolkien put so much into it.
thanks for this video; I particularly needed to see the lineages to make the link between the Silmarilion stories and the 3rd Age. It's also nice to learn that Isildur was a sneaky gardener before being corrupted; most of us only know him for the latter trait. (p.s., "built", not "builded")
No problem :) Yes some details can easily get lost. E.g. I learned quite a bit, by editing my videos and marking the events on the map, so I got a really good understanding where things happened. Same with lineages. I hope that i can transport that in my videos too.
haha yes I know. Several people hinted me that it's "built" :D Interestingly someone also wrote, that originally the past form was "builded", but it changed over time to "built". Still thanks for the hint. Sometimes I don't notice little mistakes like this, because I'm too focused on other things ^^
Goosebumps :(( i dont wish for the movie itself but it would be amazing if it would be played just like the trilogy of lotr with very minima of cut scenes .. Damn youre so lit man kudos !
Thank you ^^
Mate, I’m English. Your English is perfect and pronunciation is perfect. If people dislike your videos because of your accent they aren’t worth your pipe smoke.
Thank you, much appreciated :) I guess most people dislike the rolled Rs. Some dislike my accent as well, but I get that very rare.
Haha no worries keep up the good work!
That was complex but very interesting and well presented . I should read those other History books behind the lotr books! Thanks!
Thank you :)
awesome video man , i love hearing the back story :)
Thank you! Yes, the backstory of Lord of the Rings is awesome.
I love this lore about Aragorn and his bloodline
Agreed it's really interesting. One of my favorite stories is the Fall of Númenor :)
This is so damn detailed. I love it
Thanks :) I really tried to include almost every detail, but some parts are probably still a bit imprecise :D Tolkien definitely had an eye for details. It's mind blowing.
ThePhilosophersGames One of your vids randomly appeared a few days ago, and I was so impressed that I couldn't stop watching for a few hours. This is really some damn detailed work. Thank You for the videos
That's nice to hear :D Yes it seems they work quite well with the YT algorithm, because I have far more views, than subscribers. But I won't complain ^^ The success also caught me by surprise to be honest.
PS: haha no problem :) I like making them
I found your channel while watching the appendices of lotr. Really, really good work! And reading the comments I discovered why your accent not only sounds perfectly elvish and old english but has, to me, a very familiar sound too..wirklich gut gemacht, ein Abonnent mehr..hab das als Wink mit dem Zaunpfahl verstanden :-))
Danke :P Happy you liked it :)
awesome video man:) thank you.. so funny I didn't realize I commented before on this video the first time saw it , this is my second time and of course i had the same reaction eh
Thank you, happy you liked it :)
Very good! Liked your video very much (just like the one about Rohan). Hope you'll continue these Tolkien Lore videos. Thanks.
Thank you :) Happy you liked it. I have to say this is my favorite lore video so far ^^ I will make more. But I hope the next is shorter than the Sauron video :P (that was a difficult video)
Wait, so Elrond is Aragorn's uncle (apply several greats as needed)? Damn that elf is old.
Yes, his uncle from like 6500+ years ago ^^ Galadriel is even older and the oldest known Elf in Middle-earth should be Círdan (no clue when Glorfindel was born, but he is also very old).
Thank you for all your hard work.
haha no problem ^^ happy you and also a lot of other people enjoy my work :) I would not have thought that, when I started.
So happy to get a response at all let alone so quickly. Yeah, Celeborn fits in there somewhere, but Tolkien never seems to have decided if Celeborn was a Teleri who crossed the Helcaraxe with Galadriel or if he was an elf of Doriath. Either way he was related to Galadriel, I just wasn't sure what the relationship might be. Thanks for your research.
Yes, I red somewhere, that he never really decided and changed things here and there. A bit similar with Gil-galad. No problem, thank you for commenting ^^
Good job! I really enjoy your videos dude!
Thank you :)
Crazy interesting. Good explanation.
Thank you, happy you liked it :)
Dude. No BS. Good job! Keep up the good work!👍👍👍
Thank you. I'll try :)
Great job! I have read all of these works several times, and cannot find anything I disagree with.
Happy to hear. Then I did my research right :) Thank you!
Only one comment on one of the SoM/SoW videos. I agree Celebrimbor should be in HoM. There is one case in Silmarillion when Beren's companions are killed in a terrible way, and one of them appears to Beren as a wraith before he travels south to find Luthien. It would seem that men very rarely are not able to pass beyond the world in some extremely rare and fell cases. This would leave a possibility for Talion to be wraith while, but not for Celebrimbor to be called back from HoM by the servants of Sauron
Oh yes, Barahir's (and Beren's) companion Gorlim. I mention the story in my new "Who is Sauron?" video and I think in Shadow of Mordor you can find a skull, that references him. This would in deed be a possibility. But I think you could still argue, that Gorlim betrayed Barahir knowingly to Sauron ( and with this helping him), while Talion and Celebrimbor are actively opposing Sauron.
Gorlim tried to warn Beren out of regret. Maybe he did not go to the Halls of Mandos, because of his regret and trying to warn Beren. It's definitely a strange and grim story, that is also very interesting.
Good point!
Thank you! Excellent conversation. You are indeed a Tolkien Lore master. Would like to see you up against Stephen Colbert;)
Thank you too :) So nice to have so many good comments here. haha I think I can learn a thing or two from Stephen Colbert ^^
From that diagram, if Aragorn comes from the line of Kings of Numenor and that's where you can trace Arwens heritage to as well... Isn't it kind of EEEHH? Granted, over that time the bloodline would surely be diluted enough but it depends on how you want to look at it :P How many generations is that?
yes, they are related, but Aragorn is born 6500 years after Elrond. So a lot of generations are between them. Númenor alone had 25 Kings. Gondor 33 and then there was a gap of 1000 years. In addition all those kings live for several hundred years.
So it's like two persons being directly related 2000 years before the Great Pyramid of Giza was built.
Great stuff, keep them coming.
Thank you :) There will be more ^^
I hate how in the movies, all you see of Anarion is a quick flash of him at the battle of the last alliance.....why the film maker chose to focus on Isildur, and completely omit anarion from the story is quite puzzling..... he has a very interesting character back story that I guess couldn’t be developed due to time and budget constraints....;(
Still, it would have been nice to see him more than once for more than 2 seconds, and get ONE reference from steward denethor II......
I find it interesting too, that we have one reference in the Extended Edition, but he is cut from every other place. It's strange, but I assume it's due to avoiding too many names and time limitations. When they made the prologue, they had originally only 2 minutes at best (actually there should be no prologue at all). And then at the end the shortest they could make it was like 7 minutes and they could barely defend this decision. So it makes sense to cut him out, because their story works without Anárion. To explain the role of this character you need to explain more of the Second Age and the line of the kings, which never really happens. We only know about Denethor II not being King and just ruling until a new King takes the throne of Gondor. By experience I can say: when making film/videos time and structure are always a problem. And not breaking your structure sometimes reinquires sacrifices.
I also read the lotr serries (well most of it) ;) and this fills in a lot of gaps and questions that I had thanks!!!!
Thank you =) Nice to hear, that it helped you.
You are amazing tyvm for your hard work!
No problem, happy you enjoy the content. Thank you too! :)
ThePhilosophersGames not only have I enjoyed it. It has been of incredible help for a project I am currently writing for. And as I re-read the Silmarillion this channel has honestly been critical in my newly grown understanding of it. I sincerely don’t know how to tell you how much I have appreciated your content since I have dreamed of these myths since I has 9yo. Keep it up, I’ll be waiting for your content :)
What an awesome video!
Thank you, glad you liked it :)
A direct descendent of Malian the Maia, Elwe Singollo of Doriath, Beren Erchamion, Elwing, Earendel, Elendil and his children. Blood will out!⚔️
Long winded. Great job , reminds me of when I read the silmarillion, just trying to follow was a fun challenge.
Thank you :D Yes with so many names and events, it can become really difficult to follow. Need to find a way to make it a bit easier.
Love your videos!
Happy you like them ^^
Awesome my friend, so interesting!!
Thank you :)
awesome video bro! I've shared them on my pages on! :D :)
Thank you =)
If there are vids that need to be shared let me know! :)
So, there is only one Glorfindel? The one one from first age is the same who saved Frodo from Nazguls?
That's an interesting question. There is some discussion about if those 2 Glorfindel were actually the same person. Originally not, he just burrowed the name when writing Lord of the Rings from his earlier works. But in some unpublished texts, Tolkien later mentions, that Glorfindel got revived and later sent back to Middle-earth.
Check this article for more:
tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Glorfindel#Controversy
I personally would agree, that they are the same person.
@ThePhilosophersGame, thank you for another superb LOTR exploration/explanation.
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Please, could you explain more about who the Witch King of Angmar is? Is that Sauron in another form, by another name? Or is the Witch King a different character entirely, & if so, who is he? Where is he from? What's his back-story, please? This character is quite a mystery to me!
Thank you again for this deeply researched video about Aragorn & his forebears--I watched it twice today!
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no problem. This was one of my first lore videos I made 4 years ago; time moves fast 😅 Happy you liked it. I have neglected the Nazgûl a bit on my channel. I briefly talk about them in my very detailed book analysis (also book and film differences) series: ua-cam.com/video/qe-4l74B8mw/v-deo.html
You maybe have to look out for Nazgûl in the title (episodes work mostly as stand alones I think).
To answer your question briefly:
We don't know exactly who the Witchking is. Sauron (after he got most the Rings of Power back) gave 9 Rings to lords of Men (from Númenor and maybe one was a King of the Easterlings, but definitely an Easterling), and they got power through the rings too. Over time though they were slowly transformed into Wraith (Ringwraith -> Nazgûl) under the will of Sauron and the One Ring (int his form they are 100% under Sauron's will; they are undead ghosts you could say, that mostly exist in the Unseen). We know only the name of one of them Khamûl (also "the Black Easterling"). He must have been an Easterling (maybe a king).
The others (three according to the Silamrillion) were likely Númenoreans that resided at Númenorean settlements on Middle-earth (Númenor is an Island where the Dúnedain lived once; they were pretty advanced and it can be compared to Atlantis). They first appeared Second Age 2251 (according to Appendix B in The Lord of the Rings; so roughly 3200 years before the events of LotR). As mentioned only 3 were Númenoreans + at least one Easterling. The remaining 5 could be other lords of Men maybe from the South (Haradrim) or even North (Northmen) or more Easterlings. We don't know.
Khamûl was among the Ringwraiths 2nd in command. 1st was the Witchking. Who he was we don't know, but most likely a Númenorean from one of the mentioned settlements. The Númenoreans were later separated into 2 factions you could say: The King's Men and the Faithful. The Faithful were as the name suggests faithful to Eru (God) and his High Powers in Aman (Valar) (also friends of the Elves). The King's Men were on the side of the Númenoeran Kings, which over time more and more opposed Eru, the Valar and the Elves, because they were jealous of their immortality (and other things), though traditionally (at the beginning of Númenor's history) Númenor was devoted to Eru and the Valar and close friends with Elves, which helped them develop. (as explained in this video). It's now likely that the Witchking and the other who could have been Númenoran lords were Kings' Men too. We don't know.
Later when Sauron was defeated at the End of the Second Age (through the Last Alliances) and fled into the far East, the Witchking became active at one point and took himself a realm North of Arnor (which split into 3 separate Kingdoms), which was called Angmar. Angmar assimilated one of them (Rhudaur you can find it on maps) and it basically became part of Angmar too if you want. In the end Arnor was destroyed, but Angmar too. And from this time the Witchking becme the Witchking of Angmar. His name and deeds suggests, that he had some powers (through the Ring of power and Sauron). E.g. he summoned the Barrow wights (weird evil spirits) to infest the Barrow downs, where some of the remainign Lords of Cardolan (once Arnor) hid and with this destroyed Cardolan completely.
He appears of here and there again. he later conquers Minas Ithil for Sauron, which ten became Minas Morgul and he most likely killed the last King of Gondor Eärnur (challenged him to a duel and the King was never seen again).
Ofc he was active during The Lord of the Rings too, etc. But that is all we know. I don't have a good theory who he might have been. He was definitely not a name we know from the lore in my opinion. Some lord maybe from Umbar (far to the south of Gondor).
@@ThePhilosophersGames , oh my goodness, wow! Thank you bunches for taking the time to write back with such a thoughtful, thorough reply! Your kindness is much appreciated, along with your helpful insights. Many, many thanks!
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haha no problem ^^ I really like answering questions, but ofc longer answers can eat some time ^^
Hint because I did not state that 100% correctly. Only three of the nine Nazgûl are mentioned to be Númenóreans. So the 5 others could be haradrim (men from the far South), Northmen, maybe additional Easterlings, etc. (I have corrected this in the longer answer above)
Great video! Thanks.
Thank you too, happy you liked it :) Merry Christmas!
I wouldn’t describe numenor as being in the “middle” of the ocean as you say.....considering that from its west coast, you could SEE Tol Eressa, which was JUST off the coast of valinor.....so the dunedain were pretty much able to see Valinor from the western province of numenor.....so it was much closer to Valinor, than middle earth I think.
Good point :) Ofc it's hard to place. I oriented a lot on Karen Wynn Fonstad for my globe sketch and she placed it in the middle. I think the middle is probably the best compromise for it. Also it must be considered, that in the Silmarillion Elves in Aman could see the smoke of the burning ships at Middle-earth's coast. Ofc there is more too it, but as said: it's a compromise.
At that time it was a flat planet, so probably the other continents were visible because of that
4:23 Little army. If memory serves me, it rivaled the Uruk Hai host that sacked Helm's Deep
The little was just referring to the number of Balrogs. Originally in early drafts Morgoth had real armies of Balrogs, but they weren't as powerful. He later changed this to less than a dozen (probably around 7 Balrogs), but made them more powerful. Ofc now one Balrog is like an army, but they are still very few in numbers. I think that was my way ofc phrasing this carefully with out delivering a long explanation.
@@ThePhilosophersGames much appreciated
Well done man, that explains a lot!!
Thank you :)
Now everything make sense
Good ^^
Great video! If you don't mind me asking, where are you from? I can almost place the accent but not quite
Thank you ^^ I'm from Germany :)
Your voice and pronunciation is stunning. 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you, happy you like that part of my videos ^^
Good one man
Thank you ^^
This is really good work..! Excellent..! I commend you on your efforts and offer my respect and admiration. I am myself quite crazy about the LOTR saga and all things connected, so I can appreciate to some extent, the very substantial amount of work you must have had to lay down in the production of your videos. I know I would not have been able to do it better. You have done great. Thank you very much for doing this. I for one am very glad of it. Now, on another tip - what's with this whining from some of you about the dude's pronounciation and the way he rolls the r's..? I mean, for one thing he explains that in several vids - he is trying to stay true to how he has understood the way Tolkien himself says to pronounce names. Give the man a break. This is not his first language and you can hear that he struggles a little with certain tongue twists. I feel that these things rather underscore the quality of the effort laid down in the making of these vids..! It does no harm to be a bit appreciative of someone else's hard work, especially when it is done as a service to you.
Thank you, much appreciated :) Yes, "tongue twists" is a very good description of my struggles ^^ E.g. switching between the English "s" and "th" sounds is so difficult for me.
Happily he majority of people is really supportive and friendly in my comment section here and I'm very thankful for that. I've seen far far worse comment sections on YT. Happy you enjoyed my content!
I need to rewatch this many times before I remember his bloodline....
haha yes. Took me a time too to memorize some of the bloodlines (at least in parts).
@@ThePhilosophersGames So you read all the other books of Tolkien? I binge watch the Hobbit and LODR last weekend again, and I have a chat of my co workers who's a fan also and told me that there are many branch of the back story of that franchise so I started to research and saw your channel. Sadly most of his books weren't finish because it was not that famous in his time...
Yes at some point I red most of them. Some I read more often than others though and because it's so much I also forget details quite often again. Yes I can imagine. The later books (by Tolkien's son Christopher, who published his father drafts and notes in them) are not that well known and can be tough to read, if you don't know the main books (Hobbit, LotR + Appendices and The Silmarillion).
The Silmarillion (LotR backstory the book) was also published posthumously by Christopher Tolkien, who basically composed it out of his fathers works too and finalized it. It should be available in all kinds of languages (I assume third most popular book). How canon it is, is often debated under Tolkien fans. Same goes for all the published notes. But with all of it, there is a ton of backstory. Translations of the 12 (13) History of Middle-earth books, Unfinished Tales, Letters, Great Tales etc are probably far more limited. I think only two of the 12 History of Middle-earth books even have e.g. a German translation.
I have a lot of stuff on my channel, but the information density can be very high (e.g. the Who is Sauron or the History of the Elves videos; those cover basically all ages a a lot of lore in case you are interested).
@@ThePhilosophersGames I started to explore your channel and it was a long journey for me. Definitely watch all your videos(already subscribed:) ) whenever I have a time and started to search where I can buy Tolkiens books. So basically it is better to start to read The hobbit or can I jump to LOTR instantly? Kindly recommend me the chronological order of the books.:)
Definitely wanted to know the story of Luthein and Beren. That would be interesting. ;) Tolkiens universe were amazing.yup. it really took a lot of time just to put it piece by piece..Thank God there's no technology in that time and they have more time to explore their imagination :)... I also red that he was a friend or acquaintance of Lewis who's the creator or Narnia... That's why it felt like even a little, they have the same feels.. Imagine all the great authors were gathered and discussing their universe in a long porch while having a tea or something...
Thank you :) Definitely start with Hobbit and LotR (+ Appendices at least Appendix A and B). The Silmarillion can be tough to read, it's a bit like the bible, but you need to know LotR to really understand the Silmarillion. The backstory of it gives LotR a lot more depth. After That I would say Unfinished Tales (and maybe the Great Tales), Letters of Tolkien, maybe Tolkien's LotR related poetry and the History of Middle-earth books last.
This video goes into a bit more detail for the reading order:
ua-cam.com/video/lEwqWn6ftYQ/v-deo.html
The most important thing about who he is has to do with his ancestors. Specifically Luthien. Regarded as the most beautiful to ever live. Her Mom was a Maia who married an Elf. She then married a Man in one hell of a story. Aragon not only was man and had the blood of an Elf but also Maia blood. Which is what Gandolf and the darklord were.
Correct, I explain that in the video :D
I didn’t know the White Tree had been replanted 3 or 4 different times. But after watching that, it makes sense as to why he was the only one who could unite the kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor.
Before I started research for this video, I knew it was replanted at least once, but was surprised too, that it was so many times. One day I probably make a short video just about the history of those White Trees ^^ Thanks for commenting :)
ThePhilosophersGames I also knew it had been planted once but not the other times it was replanted.
Great job brother, you explain nicely
Thank you, happy you like it :)
Increíble. Muy buen trabajo. Gracias por juntar estos pedazos de fantasía y reunirlos para el disfrute ajeno.
Thank you :)
(I had to google translate, but I understood it partially, because I had Latin in school :D) Sadly I don't speak Spanish and co. I always wanted to learn it (and Japanese), but never did =/
You are welcome.
Try it. Spanish is ideal for the pronunciation of the /rr/ in the Tolkien languages. ;)
By the way. If you want to train the ear while you listen to the stories of Tolkien, I leave you a program of audio-reports that treat the work of the Master from time to time.
www.ivoox.com/ainulindale-j-r-r-tolkien-audios-mp3_rf_4606955_1.html
www.ivoox.com/valaquenta-j-r-r-tolkien-audios-mp3_rf_11286313_1.html
A strong greeting and that you continue with your excellent work for a long time.
Agreed! Also thank you again. I'll for sure continue :)
Yes it's never to late to learn a language ^^ I'll try it one day. haha that's cool, I'll bookmark them :D
Yo what was that clip of the balrog from around 22:00!!!
It is from the Shadow of War Announcement Trailer : ua-cam.com/video/-_UgfB95Wu0/v-deo.html (around 1:15 min)
Hey ThePhilosophersGames, are you from South Africa? You kinda sound like it with your accent, uh, I was think either that or Maybe Denmark or The Netherlands? Where are you from? I am just curious. I am American myself, from New York.
Netherlands and Denmark is pretty close. I'm from Germany :D
Thanks i think it is starting to make some sense even though I have read most of the books some of them several times.
Happy to hear :) Yes the lore is often overwhelming. Bringing everything into an order is really difficult. Structuring my videos is a part that eats a lot of time when making the videos, so I totally understand what you mean. Thank you for commenting too ^^
I agree with you, John. I've read the books numerous times, just for the pleasure of the story, not getting too much into the rest. However, over the years I've, of course, had a few questions about various aspects ;-), just a few, which are getting answered in these amazing, in-depth videos of true-blue LotR scholarly fans! I had a very hard time with The Silmarillion back when it was first available and haven't attempted it again, but I will soon, as well as the other books on Middle Earth from the Tolkeins. I'm almost embarrassed and ashamed to say I haven't read those yet because I Love the stories sooo much from the very first reading of The Hobbit in 1971! Loved the movies, but I was annoyed with some of the changes that were made that were totally unnecessary, even for the sake of drama, but the films were amazing and well-done on so many levels. Just watched all of The Hobbit movies this past week for the first time, too. Wish I'd seen them in the theater (hopefully, they'll have another run some day). A lot of what went on were not in the books, and at least the story of Azog being hot for Thorin's head actually did add a dramatic twist though it wasn't in the book. The little love story between Kili and Tauriel, though, could've been left out, I think, though it's nice to have a little romance in a movie, but Not Here. Tolkein did not write romances, and Peter Jackson took too much liberty with that part, I think. Arwen and Aragorn were one thing, we knew they Loved each other so was fitting to elaborate on that. But Kili and Tauriel's romance is too much (there was no Tauriel in The Hobbit at all, if I remember right, so where did she come from? PJ's mind, apparently). Just MHO.
Thanks so much to ThePhilosophersGames for making these wonderful videos for us! You are doing an amazing job, please don't stop! :-D
@@pjwhite1002 Thank you, happy you like them :) You remember correctly. Tauriel was made up for the Hobbit movies and I really agree, it was not needed at all. Also the Azog twist worked well in the films in my opinion too (at least I can understand the change). I have my problems with the Hobbit trilogy, but I must say the Extended Edition adds some nice things and fill some wholes.
The Simarillion is tough to read, even though it's really interesting and has some amazing stories in it, so I fully understand you ^^
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
What are the names of the 2 continents in the second age that are to the right of the Middle-earth
East of Middle-earth is the Land of the Sun (where the sun rises through the Gates of Morning) and south of Middle-earth (it's also east of it between Middle-earth and the Land of the Sun) is also the Dark Land. Ungoliant (Shelob's mother hid there, maybe devouring herself there). Not much is known about those continents. Númenoreans visited them though it seems.
thank you! So nice!
I don't understand why they didn't send him across the sea when he surrendered. Probably sheer arrogance, wanted Sauron as a trophy.
Agreed, they wanted him as a trophy and show their superiority.
Fenixproductions points out below that Aragorn and Arwen are distant cousins. True enough, so are Galadriel and Elrond and so are Elrond and his wife Celebrian.
Yes, but Elrond and Celeborn are also relatives (the daughter of Celeborn's niece, is Elrond's mother), So Celebrian is the cousin of Elrond's grandfather (Celeborn is the brother of Elrond's great-grandmother) ^^
The connection to Galadriel is a bit complicated. Elrond's great grandfather is the cousin of Galadriel. Quite innteresting.
I have been reading and studying LOTR for 40 years and I can't keep it all straight.
Thanks.
Thanks :) Yes I feel you. Sometimes I mix up things, I have red like 2 month ago (and made a video about) and need to re-read them. It's just too much lore. All the small details. But reading is still fun, so I don't mind :D
Good Video mate.
Thank you :)
can you please put an audio version of your videos on stitcher or sound cloud?
I think, that's possible. But could take a moment :D
So I have started with it. But right now I have uploaded only 2 so far, this one and the Dragon Lore video. It's really only the audio track of it - which is probably not ideal. Hope it helps
soundcloud.com/user-500513253
Aragorn's and Númenor's Lore:
soundcloud.com/user-500513253/the-long-story-of-aragorn-minas-ithil-and-numenor-tolkien-lore-spoilers
Dragon's Lore:
soundcloud.com/user-500513253/dragons-of-the-lord-of-the-rings-universe-smaug-glaurung-ancalagon-scatha-lore-spoilers
I hope it works out :D Still I would appreciate it, if you visit my YT channel from time to time too :)
Thanks !
IIRC the «faithful» were called elendili
Yes you are right, the name Elendil can both mean "Star-lover" and "Elf-friend" in Quenya.
So, monolith game change the lore a little bit. They say that the game Shadow of War will set betwen The Hobbit and the begining of the LOTR. So, they could not show the fall of minas ithil, because this event hapenned long before the borning of Bilbo himself.
I see and consider this "middle-earth" saga, like a good loocking and well writen fanfic, but we can not consider these games to learn about Tolkien's world.
Sorry for the english XD
Exactly. Yes, the games are like an alternate universe, but maybe close to the movies. In the Hobbit movies the timeline was also very compressed (all the white council stuff happened over a long time) and some things got changed.
Nice video. I've listened to the Silimarion audio-book and I have to say, you pronounce the names the way the narrator did.
Well then I did my job right, Thank you :)
Good stuff, Maynard. :-D
Thank you :P
Can you please do the forth age! I don't know if it exist.
Good suggestion, it's on my list :) There are not too many information about it though.