Hi I’m totally new to this. I’ve always had the thought for starting a candle business but always dragged myself on it. I’m a candle girl, I absolutely love them! I wanted to know what soy wax you use for yours and also the wick? I’m so glad I found you! You will change my life! 😊 A lot of people aren’t willing to share information like you do, I mean you gave it straight to us and I absolutely love that about you. I wish you nothing but the best and a ton of success 💗💗
@@warisss8415 oh I meant just take a spoon and stir the wax before pouring it in the jar so that there’s no cold and hot spots (no difference in temperature anywhere) 💕 hope it makes sense
I started out with 464 and eventually added 1/3 Joy Wax. What a perfect combination! I never have to use a heat gun at all and the hot throw is great. Your recommendation to add a softer wax is definitely right on. It helps me make each wax last longer as well. I’m lucky enough to have a candle supply store 3 miles from my house so I only have to order the joy wax. Love your videos Erica!
Hot throw depends heavily on the fragrance oil. Some smell strong enough and others you can’t smell anything. Also adding 1tsp of coconut oil does help greatly with the tops.
I find that working with 464. The throw is stronger when we are making candles. So I never smell mine as I make them in the house. That's frustrating for me whe I light them. But my clients say they are super strong. 🙄
@@2000jenhair try smelling coffee beans to clear your nose. I do cause I can never smell them either. I ask use 464 for Scoopable wax and I have to clear my nose to smell them. Everyone that buys from me say it’s strong.
I just made candles yesterday using 464, from ordering it from Amazon for the first time, and I was blown away, 🤗 my candles every single one was perfect, no sink holes, no spotting around the jar and the top was so smooth and perfect! and I'm being real here. I melted wax to to reach 200 added the fragrance at 165° and poured at 135. I'm just one happy candle maker, all you candle makers , you know what I'm talking about.🙂 we all want that perfect candle. Now let me say, I've always used 464, and not always had perfect candles, but I really like using this type and I always get compliments on how great they smell when burning
Hi! Im from Colombia. i hope you can help me with this. This is my first time using 464 and i want to add some colors. what temperature do you use and its celsius or fahrenheit? thanks
@@lauraastudillo4282 Hello Laura, nice to meet you, I'm from California. I really don't add dye to my candles, but if I did it would be around 185 °F . Let me know how the candles come out🙂
Girl I’ve been here since you were at 1k subscribers a year ago and I never realized how many you have until today this is such a blessing!!! I can’t wait to order from you :)
Even as a beginner i started with 464 and it came out so lovely. Im trialing different waxes but no issue with it at all. Smooth top, lovely CT and HT.
I just bought a 45lb bag of 464 without ever making candles before and I’m scared now cause of the video, any suggestions? Or should I cancel my order and try a new wax?
@@paytonconley2461 I was feeling the same way when I bought my wax! Don’t throw it out. Definitely try it and work with it. You’ll definitely get the perfect formula. I put 1/2 a teaspoon of coconut oil in a pound of wax and 1/8 teaspoon of vegan steric acid to harden and they came out so perfect! The candle had a very milky texture and weren’t soft. Without adding steric acid my candles were too soft. Now all I have to do is light the candles in a couple weeks to make sure my hot throw is great as well. 😅
She said she added the fragrance oil at 180 and poured at 170. I've always let it cool to 135 before pouring. It would save so much time to not have to wait that long!
Hi Marsena! Would you mix the FO at 135 as well and then pour? Or you add FO before and then pour at 135? I’m just curious I’m in testing right now and would love to try your method. Thank you ☺️
@@lilnikky I've been having much better luck with mine now that I add the FO at higher temps, like 175 or 170 and then pour right away. I was having trouble with the wax looking a little curdled (although it burned fine) and now it always looks nice and doesn't have as many air pockets. I follow other candlemakers who do the exact opposite and seem to have good results. So I don't know why this works for me.
Thank you so much for testing the 464! I live in Alberta Canada and I am having a lot of difficulty procuring supplies I need. I bought the 464 from Michael’s because that’s all I could get at that time. I’m still waiting to get the UV inhibitor! I appreciate the fact that you tested A-Wax that I actually have! The cost of importing heavy things from the states is just unreal! I just retired and I do not have enough to live on for a very long time. I don’t need to make a fortune but if I could clear $2000 a month I would be able to live comfortably- ie: without stressing over money! I really need to give this my all!
I use the 464 for California Candle supply. I like it, but I’m use to standard wax. I’ve been making pillars for 50 years. I like the 464. I’m trying to start testing other waxes. Don’t blow your candles out, the serpent elementals will appreciate it. That’s why I never get bothered by fires or bubbles.
I just started candle making back in November and I've only used 464. I don't have any issues with CT or HT and the first pour is a beautiful even top. I've only had an issue with 1 FO which was Honeysuckle from candlescience (the only place I buy FO). I just used a hot gun and it worked for the most part but wasn't perfect. I only really have issues when it's burned like you said. It's completely uneven once it hardens back up again. But honestly, that has never bothered me, once it's burning again the melt pool is completely even and goes to the edges of the container. It does leave some residue once burned down, but I've always heard that's just 100% soy wax. Maybe I should try pouring at a higher temp to see if it's smoother once it's burned ( I heat to 185, pour FO and stir for 2-2.5 mins and pour at around 135).
I just tried a mix of 464 and 4625, just out of the blue because why not, and it worked surprisingly well, but definitely more because of the raised melt point and stability of my paraffin! I can’t wait to hear all the insights and advice 🤓 I’m here and ready to learn!!
I can’t thank you enough for all your videos. 🤍🙏🏼 I missed you and have to catch up with your latest videos. Unfortunately my son and I took a little break from Candles due to personal issues. We are back 🤍 😌
I've had issues with 464 wax (rough tops and sink holes). I started using 10% virgin coconut wax and it's made a huge difference. Smoother tops, especially when relighting the candle, and cold and hot throughs are about the same when using 100% 464 (I use 10% FO). I did, however, have to go through about 30 or so candle tests to get the formulation just right, which was frustrating in itself, but I finally got there. I will say that the reason why I started out with 464 was because most all of the other waxes were hard to get or heavily backordered. I've heard great things about EcoSoya wax and and have seen several UA-cam videos of people using it and wanted to try that one out. Have you used that wax before and if so, what was your experiece ?
I have tried just 464, it was a disappointment, I tried only coconut wax and it was a disaster 😅 I combined them and I finally had a good outcome! Great video!
Truly-- the biggest issue with 464 is that it is heavily marketed to newbies-- and it just isn't a newbie friendly wax. It has a steep learning curve and its really hard to master. Once you conquer it... its fabulous.. but that learning curve puts a lot of newer chandlers off.
Oh my god this is me! I’m trying not to be out off yet! My wax melts with the other GW soy wax has been amazing but my candling with 464 has been a disaster
I have noticed with 464 wax the HT comes at 4 + week curing. But I have only tried Candlescience fragrance with 464. I use soy10 now but I do let it cure as well but maybe 1-2 week.
I'm late to add .. liked your video alot. ive been using 464 only for 1.5 yrs on both clear vessels and not clear vessels. I sell at a local flea market. I love 464 and I love the HT and the CT and my tops are always smooth, I heat to 185 and pour at 135. almost always perfect outcome. never use a heat gun. I use CD wicks and HTP ...the issues that I have are.. the white wax will start to turn yellowish after a couple months on the shelf depending on the fragrance used. the clear vessels all show a crazy amount of frosting all around all sides of the jars especially noticeable when using colored wax this happens with in a week on the shelf and gets worse as time goes on. some of them get wet spots but not very often. the wax has little brown specs of cardboard I think... no matter what vendor you buy it from this has been a tiny issue from time to time.. the next issue is the cost, its outrageous if you can't pick it up locally. ive never tried any other wax because I have spent soooooo much time and effort perfecting I feel it would be a waste if I change .. lol. but I really want a wax that doesn't frost. I plan to make changes when I run low on my labels and need new. I liked your idea if adding 20%coconut..
Heeeeeeyyyyy Erica!!!!! 464 wax is a very good wax. The hot throw is amazing after the curing process. The only thing is finding the right wick for this wax! It doesn’t have a low temperature melting. It’s about 130 for a full melt. The eco wicks are either too hot or not hot enough. However, wick testing is a royal pain in the ass! But once you get it.... you get it right on the nose!!!
Thank you so much for your videos! You really inspired me to start out with candle making! For the longest time I struggled with finding a hobby that I could genuinely love and stick with. I know after a while you may start to see your MANY comments and views, and picture them as one huge number, but just know, you are actually touching the lives of real individuals! All just by being real and genuine. Hope this isnt too sappy, but thank you Erica!!
I started with 444 and have had excellent results with CT and HT. I decided to try 464, and absolutely hate it. 👎🏼 Thank you for the video because I was hoping that you would do one on 464.
Hey Erica great video and testing results. I normally use coco83 and after seeing this video maybe I'll give your 80/20 blend a try. I've tried Soy10 in the past using the same ratio and got pretty good results with my HT.
Same here, I spent an insane amount of time to finally find x2 CD-3 wicks fit my 11 oz whiskey tumblers perfectly and get the optimal hot throw as well. Didn't like how the ECO's were burning or how any single wicks were performing. Then in my 15 oz apothecary jars x2 ECO-2 wicks were better than the CD's... all comes down to testing
I love the fragrance throw on 464 all my customers love it I attempted to switch to 444 and it definitely needs the full 2 weeks to bind . 464 does cool off ugly but it’s worth it to me . I am inclined to start using ig6000 as I loved how smooth it looks after burning 😭 and ht and ct is great but .... Idk
I love 464 and it's been the only wax I've ever used. I do 80% of the time get bumpy tops once solidified but I pour at 150 (I buy from Candlewic and I always go by the manufacturer's temp recc's). I have noticed if poured at around 147 the tops get smoother for me. Either way, the gun resolves all my top issues.
I've also noticed that fragrance oils can also alter the finish on the tops. With thicker fragrances (ie have greater viscosity) I will add them in at about 190 instead of 185 and this seems to help them bind better with the fragrances and produce a smoother finish after pouring.
I use 464 for my candles and haven't had problems til i started using wood wicks. the problems i have is that I get sink holes but can use a heat gun or double pour. other than that, cold throw is amazing and so is hot throw. i've also experienced that the reason they might get "ugly" after being lit is if you use too much fragrance oil. great video though thanks for this.
alsooo, 464 is prone to frosting but is absolutely normal with pure soy wax (464). it’s a good wax to use if you want to use something that is eco friendly, vegan, kosher, paraffin free, gmo free or additive free.
yeah i honestly don’t mind the sink holes though as i have a heat gun or i just double pour. the hot/cold throw and the smooth tops are well worth it once you’ve figured out the right fragrance load 🤍
I'm so surprised this was your first time trying 464 wax. I have 464 currently and it's the first wax I purchased. The issues I've seen with 464 have been improper wicks for the containers used (or in general) and pouring at a higher temperature outside of what is recommended. Other than that, it's a great wax and I've seen mostly positives reviews.
@@lilnikky Hi Nicole! I tried replying several times before but my comment keeps disappearing. Hopefully it will work this time. I don't mind at all. I use CD 12 for my 4oz mason jars which is 2.87" in diameter and CD 16 or 18 for my 8oz metal tins which are 2.95" in diameter. Candle Science has a pretty good wick guide. It's not always accurate nor does it claim to be, but it gives you a good starting point for testing. If you know the diameter of your container and the type of wax, you can enter that information and it will suggest a wick. From there you can test (+/-) from a starting point of the suggested wick. I hope that helps and I wish you much success on your candle journey.
I have a whole bag of 464 that I’m trying to practice with and use it up before buying my next wax, if anyone has suggestions, please let me know! Besides 464 being temperamental, the one thing I really don’t like about it is it’s melting point, which is between 113-119 F. The reason I don’t like it is because I feel if I were to ever sell candles, the vessel itself, then wrapping, then putting it in a box, then putting it on a truck (unless you pay extra for conditioned trucks) will be hot. It might not look as pretty when the customer gets it. I could be very wrong, but this is how I’ve always thought about it.
My first candle making experience was with 464. And all of my candles came out with smooth tops. Not sure if it was beginners luck lol. Never used it again only because I found CAC.
I would love some oils to test! I'm new and have tried the 444 and 464 so far.. Trying the C6 next. In the future I definitely want to try the Soy 10 when its in stock!
I started with 444 and 464 was a big upgrade in regards to hot throw and smooth creamy tops. I've poured hundreds of 464 since and rarely need to heat gun them unless it's a certain type of fragrance oil. I pour much lower at 150 and tend to get perfect adhesion to apothecary style jars and whiskey/tumbler glasses. I've been super impressed! Was also skeptical given what others have mentioned online. Guess it all comes down to testing.. I didn't like the EcoSoya CB-Advanced tho, it had a terrible plastic smell and was tough to work with compared to 464. I'd love to test Soy 10 someday when it's back in stock and 16/17 are sourcing a new all-soy blend without the food-grade paraffin which sounds amazing as well.
@@Bella_0303 I like CD-2, CD-3 and ECO-2's for most of my vessels. They are all doubled up, so x2 of each wick per vessel to get a 3" to 3.5" diameter melt pool
I started out with 464 for a whole year and really wanting it to work. I would wrap the jars with felt and over came the wet spots 🙂 I would cover the jars with a box and got smooth tops and no frosting yippy BUT THEN their were only a handful of scents that were actually strong. So after 3 months I looked at those " perfect candles" and they looked like crap. Frosted, dry looking , very disappointed. Now I make wax melts with a para soy blend. Wish I had patience and a lot more time and money to try other waxes and wicks and jars, oh my.😅
Very interesting thanks for this video! I used to use 464 but now use VCS / EC26 and I have to say I’ve been curious about coco 83... and 464 had better HT than VCS for me but I like the texture of VCS much more. So many options!
Thank you so much for your videos! I am new in candle making field and this information (and everything else from your channel) is VERY helpful! Great job, thank you for your help :-)
I love all your ideas, and you teach this so well you should be a patreon I think that’s how you spell it I would most definitely support you.. you are very good at explaining instructions…
Wow this was a great video! I use 464 with my candles but I have been thinking of switching to the soy 10 wax from cal candlesupply. How has that wax worked for you? Also, I could use some testing fragrance oils 😬😬😬
i just started my own candle journey and bought Cargill C-3....found out last night that the company has major ethical and sustainability issues. *sigh*
I use 464 wax from candle science and it’s nice and soft , I also tried soy wax from heart and craft store (more expensive though) kinda dry wax. I also tried coconut soy blend and it’s very hard wax definitely not for vessels but ok for pillars candles 🕯
464 is the first wax I tried, hated it. My kid said it looks awful, Tried C3, tried C6, and landed on a 6006. ❤️ love to see you try a 6006 compared to soy 10. ❤️😜
So would you say 100% alone was the best out of the three? I use 464 (I can’t get soy 10 in Canada) and I’ve done so much testing with 464 alone and with coconut wax and I honest prefer 464 by itself. Coconut wax added burns so much quicker, too. I personally didn’t find any benefits to adding coconut wax. So glad I have 50lbs of it.. 😂😂😂
I've only ever used 464 and I really like it. It has its quirks but I roll with them lol. I bought some EcoSoya CB135 wax to try but my understanding is that you need LX wicks for it, which haven't been available. Have you tried that wax at all? Thanks for another great video! Jeanne @HarvestHerbals
Thank you so much for everything you do. You have helped me so much. I love all your videos. Also if you have anymore extra fragrances can you send them my way. I am so happy I found you.
I'm liking 464 so far. I was loyal to cb advanced beforehand. Before trying 464 I tried c3 as I heard great things about it and terrible things about 464. My experience has been the opposite of most people. Really really hated c3.
I’m a beginner at candle making and that’s the wax that I worked with are working at the moment 464; I really do not care for it that much my candles came out with sinkholes a rough top frosting those are just a few but I do not care for this wax so I’m going to be trying a different wax since I am a beginner just starting out I’m in the process of testing waxes wicks, fragrance , color dyes…..etc so I hope to have better luck with other waxes
it would be great if you could do some testing with Kerasoy Container wax wich is one of the most popular waxes in Europe, but i'm not sure if it is easy to get in the US
I really enjoy your videos and wanted to show some love by purchasing a few candles from your website. I noticed they're all sold out. Did you get a spike in sales that depleted your inventory or are you taking a break from selling?
That’s so nice of you! I have a few 6 oz tins still available but I’m going to be restocking more soon! I almost sold out within 2 weeks of my grand opening!
@@MemoryBoxCandleCo That is so awesome! Congratulations! Thanks for the reply and I look forward to supporting you. Thanks for all of the wonderful videos!
I'm from UK and we don't have so many different waxes. I tried few 464,444,c3 and more. 464 was best and easiest to work with. The broblem for me was always those sinkholes around wick, underneath. I wish there was a way to scan a candle and see what's inside :( becouse of that I don't feel confident start selling them. Meybe I will try poking all of them and use heat gun so I can be sure :/
just recently tried 464 with eco series wick and the hot throw TERRIBLE. the wax itself had a very smooth top. i loved that, but the hot throw was faint. i followed the instructions with pouring at 135, the cold throw was pretty good tho.
464 is all I have ever used in the last 6 years and have smooth, perfect tops 99% of the time. Occasionally I have a sink hole if I pour too cool that I will have to hit with a heat gun.
Coconut 83 is sooo expensive to have shipped! I know someone who uses it with SP486 which is a hard pillar wax. She uses the mix in containers and swears the hot throw is amazing! Haven’t tried it myself, because of the shipping charge Swan Candles charges.
Tried 464 recently just for kicks bc I had not used any soy wax at all before. After trying it, I have no idea how anyone uses soy wax or 464. I started out with coconut, hemp, palm, olive oil blend, moved on to using IGI 6046, which is mostly paraffin with some coconut wax, and a lastly, A proprietary coco wax that is mostly coco but with touch of paraffin... soy wax in any wax has no appeal to me. I only assume it became popular bc the only choice prior was paraffin.
I love 464. It’s the wax I’ve used since the beginning of my candle journey. It’s all about the temps! I have always had great luck with the HT and smooth tops. I think most HT issues people have are related the wicks or FO and not the 464. Thanks for the great video!
I bought 464 a few years back when people were complaining that something was wrong with the batches. I did everything that experts recommended to do. Got the wick size down but HT was very minimal. I was very disappointed to say the least. Been using 6006, Coco 83 and Joy waxes. I love 6046 but the wax starts to discolor after burning 3/4 of the candle. But the HT is amazing.
464 is the only wax I use & I don’t experience any issues with the hot or cold scent throw now that I tried different techniques.. stirring my wax for a good amount of time to help the scent oil bind with the wax has helped greatly. Temp you pour it into the jars has helped with the frosting & sink holes & changing the wick has helped with the burning.
Hello yes I could use some for testing and I am just getting started been making candles for a year now it's little hard to keep scents so any extra would be great for test or how much would you charge for some scents really could use some this video help me alot thanks I try the co co one. For test or making candles.
Eric, I’m so taken by the knowledge break down and appreciate you input. Would love some samples of your fragrance oils for testing. My journey hasn’t started yet just getting supplies in order. I don’t want to be discouraged or be too hard on myself when I start the process. Thanks for EVERYTHING. #NewSubbie
I feel like i watched this months ago, before starting maybe, and ive been using the 464 and there is some issues here and there but for as a first start, its not bad, the smell ia pretty strong with certain scents i use, not from the same company I get the wax from though. However now doing a re-up after making about 30 and burning through a lot of them to test, I wanted to try the 83, and the rep helping said it was smoother, as well as has more hot throw. The only thing that threw me off was the slight amount of something not natural in the blend, not as much as the hybrid but still not as 100% natural as the soy 464, so really want to stay on brand being natural but hey you really don't know whats in any of em unless you scraped it up yourself, so going to try the coconut on this re-up to see how it does, as well as stock up on the 464, and gonna watch and see what you think about how it works for you.
Ok so after seeing it I see the 50/50 came out with less hot throw wondering if thats because of the blend chemistry like you said or if the 464 is just stronger than the coconut, i thought what you used was the coconut 83 originally. Either way they all look pretty smooth besides the sinking in the mixed ones. Going to look more into mixes to do with the soy.
I have been practicing on 464 and nearly used 4kg of it and the results so far are pretty bad the finish looks awful on 8/10 candles. I habe tried to preheat, etc etc, different pouring temps etc. I think I ll look at a different blend. Am also in australia
Update: all the fragrance oils have been sold ❤️
Hi I’m totally new to this.
I’ve always had the thought for starting a candle business but always dragged myself on it. I’m a candle girl, I absolutely love them!
I wanted to know what soy wax you use for yours and also the wick?
I’m so glad I found you! You will change my life! 😊
A lot of people aren’t willing to share information like you do, I mean you gave it straight to us and I absolutely love that about you. I wish you nothing but the best and a ton of success 💗💗
@@reneelovelife23 she uses soy 10
I work with the 464 wax and something i found that helps having a smooth top is mixing well before pouring the wax in the jar!
How should we mix it?
I gotta try that. Thank you for the tip.Thankfully I haven’t had issues but sometimes in a blue moon it will come out with sink holes 🕳
@@warisss8415 oh I meant just take a spoon and stir the wax before pouring it in the jar so that there’s no cold and hot spots (no difference in temperature anywhere) 💕 hope it makes sense
My worlds colliding. 😳😱
Before you pour either flip your jar if clear and heat with in 20 degrees of the wax and you will get a perfect pour
464 is the only wax I ever use to make my candles. I absolutely love it!
Does every f/o work with yours? What jars do you use? What wicks? Do you always get a great HT
Same!
Okay weird question maybe but what do you cure at? I cured mine for two weeks at 8% and I’ve got almost nada 😔
@@ghosted6561 I don’t know what Michelle uses, I use a full 10% of FO. HT is awesome
Me too! Actually, I've used 444 in the past as well but have no issues for the most part if customers practice proper candle care :)
I started out with 464 and eventually added 1/3 Joy Wax. What a perfect combination! I never have to use a heat gun at all and the hot throw is great. Your recommendation to add a softer wax is definitely right on. It helps me make each wax last longer as well. I’m lucky enough to have a candle supply store 3 miles from my house so I only have to order the joy wax. Love your videos Erica!
Hot throw depends heavily on the fragrance oil. Some smell strong enough and others you can’t smell anything. Also adding 1tsp of coconut oil does help greatly with the tops.
Thanks for the info!
Does it change the wicking?
Certain brand?
I find that working with 464. The throw is stronger when we are making candles. So I never smell mine as I make them in the house. That's frustrating for me whe I light them. But my clients say they are super strong. 🙄
@@2000jenhair try smelling coffee beans to clear your nose. I do cause I can never smell them either. I ask use 464 for Scoopable wax and I have to clear my nose to smell them. Everyone that buys from me say it’s strong.
I just made candles yesterday using 464, from ordering it from Amazon for the first time, and I was blown away, 🤗 my candles every single one was perfect, no sink holes, no spotting around the jar and the top was so smooth and perfect!
and I'm being real here. I melted wax to to reach 200 added the fragrance at 165° and poured at 135. I'm just one happy candle maker, all you candle makers , you know what I'm talking about.🙂 we all want that perfect candle. Now let me say, I've always used 464, and not always had perfect candles, but I really like using this type and I always get compliments on how great they smell when burning
Hi! Im from Colombia. i hope you can help me with this. This is my first time using 464 and i want to add some colors. what temperature do you use and its celsius or fahrenheit? thanks
@@lauraastudillo4282 Hello Laura, nice to meet you, I'm from California. I really don't add dye to my candles, but if I did it would be around 185 °F . Let me know how the candles come out🙂
Girl I’ve been here since you were at 1k subscribers a year ago and I never realized how many you have until today this is such a blessing!!! I can’t wait to order from you :)
Even as a beginner i started with 464 and it came out so lovely. Im trialing different waxes but no issue with it at all. Smooth top, lovely CT and HT.
I use plain coconut oil added into the 464. About a full tablespoon to 40 oz of wax. It has been working fine
When you added the coconut oil, was the hot throw strong?
@@rashidamoniquemarine6208 yes!
I just bought a 45lb bag of 464 without ever making candles before and I’m scared now cause of the video, any suggestions? Or should I cancel my order and try a new wax?
@@paytonconley2461 I was feeling the same way when I bought my wax! Don’t throw it out. Definitely try it and work with it. You’ll definitely get the perfect formula.
I put 1/2 a teaspoon of coconut oil in a pound of wax and 1/8 teaspoon of vegan steric acid to harden and they came out so perfect! The candle had a very milky texture and weren’t soft. Without adding steric acid my candles were too soft. Now all I have to do is light the candles in a couple weeks to make sure my hot throw is great as well. 😅
@@rashidamoniquemarine6208 I was also hearing that HT was inconsistent from day to day even without a change in formula, have you had that problem?
She said she added the fragrance oil at 180 and poured at 170. I've always let it cool to 135 before pouring. It would save so much time to not have to wait that long!
You need to look at your flash point on each fragrance
Hi Marsena! Would you mix the FO at 135 as well and then pour? Or you add FO before and then pour at 135?
I’m just curious I’m in testing right now and would love to try your method. Thank you ☺️
@@lilnikky I've been having much better luck with mine now that I add the FO at higher temps, like 175 or 170 and then pour right away. I was having trouble with the wax looking a little curdled (although it burned fine) and now it always looks nice and doesn't have as many air pockets. I follow other candlemakers who do the exact opposite and seem to have good results. So I don't know why this works for me.
Thank you so much for testing the 464! I live in Alberta Canada and I am having a lot of difficulty procuring supplies I need. I bought the 464 from Michael’s because that’s all I could get at that time. I’m still waiting to get the UV inhibitor! I appreciate the fact that you tested A-Wax that I actually have! The cost of importing heavy things from the states is just unreal! I just retired and I do not have enough to live on for a very long time. I don’t need to make a fortune but if I could clear $2000 a month I would be able to live comfortably- ie: without stressing over money! I really need to give this my all!
Best of wishes to you for meeting your goal! Hugs and love from a fellow candle maker!
I am a 464 fan. It is the only wax I have ever used. THANK YOU for your video and honest review.
I've worked with 464 for years and I think cure time needs to be at least 4 weeks!
I use the 464 for California Candle supply. I like it, but I’m use to standard wax. I’ve been making pillars for 50 years. I like the 464. I’m trying to start testing other waxes. Don’t blow your candles out, the serpent elementals will appreciate it. That’s why I never get bothered by fires or bubbles.
I just started candle making back in November and I've only used 464. I don't have any issues with CT or HT and the first pour is a beautiful even top. I've only had an issue with 1 FO which was Honeysuckle from candlescience (the only place I buy FO). I just used a hot gun and it worked for the most part but wasn't perfect. I only really have issues when it's burned like you said. It's completely uneven once it hardens back up again. But honestly, that has never bothered me, once it's burning again the melt pool is completely even and goes to the edges of the container. It does leave some residue once burned down, but I've always heard that's just 100% soy wax. Maybe I should try pouring at a higher temp to see if it's smoother once it's burned ( I heat to 185, pour FO and stir for 2-2.5 mins and pour at around 135).
I just tried a mix of 464 and 4625, just out of the blue because why not, and it worked surprisingly well, but definitely more because of the raised melt point and stability of my paraffin!
I can’t wait to hear all the insights and advice 🤓 I’m here and ready to learn!!
I been trying not to light ur candle....but I did just right now and it smells amazing!! Ur hot throw is great!! I'm getting so discouraged lol 😆
Ahh thanks girl!! And please don’t be discouraged! There’s still a lot I’m trying to work on with my candles too ☺️
I can’t thank you enough for all your videos. 🤍🙏🏼 I missed you and have to catch up with your latest videos. Unfortunately my son and I took a little break from Candles due to personal issues. We are back 🤍 😌
So glad to see that you’re back Oralene ❤️
oh lord i HATED 464. i was always envious of people who had the patience for it LOL i tried coco83 and haven't touched any other wax since
I've had issues with 464 wax (rough tops and sink holes). I started using 10% virgin coconut wax and it's made a huge difference. Smoother tops, especially when relighting the candle, and cold and hot throughs are about the same when using 100% 464 (I use 10% FO). I did, however, have to go through about 30 or so candle tests to get the formulation just right, which was frustrating in itself, but I finally got there. I will say that the reason why I started out with 464 was because most all of the other waxes were hard to get or heavily backordered. I've heard great things about EcoSoya wax and and have seen several UA-cam videos of people using it and wanted to try that one out. Have you used that wax before and if so, what was your experiece ?
All I use is 464 started with it and love it! Never understood the negitive comments. Great comparison
I have tried just 464, it was a disappointment, I tried only coconut wax and it was a disaster 😅 I combined them and I finally had a good outcome! Great video!
Truly-- the biggest issue with 464 is that it is heavily marketed to newbies-- and it just isn't a newbie friendly wax. It has a steep learning curve and its really hard to master. Once you conquer it... its fabulous.. but that learning curve puts a lot of newer chandlers off.
Oh my god this is me! I’m trying not to be out off yet! My wax melts with the other GW soy wax has been amazing but my candling with 464 has been a disaster
I have noticed with 464 wax the HT comes at 4 + week curing. But I have only tried Candlescience fragrance with 464. I use soy10 now but I do let it cure as well but maybe 1-2 week.
I'm late to add .. liked your video alot. ive been using 464 only for 1.5 yrs on both clear vessels and not clear vessels. I sell at a local flea market. I love 464 and I love the HT and the CT and my tops are always smooth, I heat to 185 and pour at 135. almost always perfect outcome. never use a heat gun. I use CD wicks and HTP ...the issues that I have are.. the white wax will start to turn yellowish after a couple months on the shelf depending on the fragrance used. the clear vessels all show a crazy amount of frosting all around all sides of the jars especially noticeable when using colored wax this happens with in a week on the shelf and gets worse as time goes on. some of them get wet spots but not very often. the wax has little brown specs of cardboard I think... no matter what vendor you buy it from this has been a tiny issue from time to time.. the next issue is the cost, its outrageous if you can't pick it up locally. ive never tried any other wax because I have spent soooooo much time and effort perfecting I feel it would be a waste if I change .. lol. but I really want a wax that doesn't frost. I plan to make changes when I run low on my labels and need new. I liked your idea if adding 20%coconut..
Heeeeeeyyyyy Erica!!!!! 464 wax is a very good wax. The hot throw is amazing after the curing process. The only thing is finding the right wick for this wax! It doesn’t have a low temperature melting. It’s about 130 for a full melt. The eco wicks are either too hot or not hot enough. However, wick testing is a royal pain in the ass! But once you get it.... you get it right on the nose!!!
Thanks Joey! This is my issue right now. I'm using ECO wicks
CD works well for me! I’ve tested with ECO wicks and it left the top of the candles uneven but with CD, it’s perfect!
@@jullyle8775 do you have good ht? And what percentage you use if you don’t mind me asking?
All of my candles are made with 464. Once I started pouring hot back at the beginning of the year and have had smooth tops every time since.
Thank you so much for your videos! You really inspired me to start out with candle making! For the longest time I struggled with finding a hobby that I could genuinely love and stick with. I know after a while you may start to see your MANY comments and views, and picture them as one huge number, but just know, you are actually touching the lives of real individuals! All just by being real and genuine. Hope this isnt too sappy, but thank you Erica!!
I started with 444 and have had excellent results with CT and HT. I decided to try 464, and absolutely hate it. 👎🏼 Thank you for the video because I was hoping that you would do one on 464.
What FO % do you use? I hear that for 444 it doesn't have to be to high but I'm nervous to lower the %.
Ok, I think you're psychic because I literally spent the whole day doing research trying to chose between 464 and 444 lol thank you!!
I don't like 444:(
@@ania9053 Thank you!! I'm looking for any feedback I can get before I make a decision. 🙂
444 is evil
@@hairbyeviln8706 Thanks for the feedback!! 🙂
I love 444 + 464
444 takes a hotter wick
Hey Erica great video and testing results. I normally use coco83 and after seeing this video maybe I'll give your 80/20 blend a try. I've tried Soy10 in the past using the same ratio and got pretty good results with my HT.
I use 464 and I have found with hot throw it’s all about the wick it took a lot of testing but once you find the right wick you get amazing hot throw😁
wich type of wick you use?
Same here, I spent an insane amount of time to finally find x2 CD-3 wicks fit my 11 oz whiskey tumblers perfectly and get the optimal hot throw as well. Didn't like how the ECO's were burning or how any single wicks were performing. Then in my 15 oz apothecary jars x2 ECO-2 wicks were better than the CD's... all comes down to testing
I use Eco 10 in my 8 oz jelly jars.
I love the fragrance throw on 464 all my customers love it I attempted to switch to 444 and it definitely needs the full 2 weeks to bind . 464 does cool off ugly but it’s worth it to me . I am inclined to start using ig6000 as I loved how smooth it looks after burning 😭 and ht and ct is great but .... Idk
Ay what temperature do you add your FO for a great HT?
She is using the wrong wicks for 464. Cd wicks are the best for soy
NO Hot throw and candle looks ugly after burning - That is very true! I am having that same problem.
I prefer overwhelming candle scent. Having large rooms it comes in handy.
Yes please !! I would love some samples!! Send me information on buying them!!
Same lol got a lot more testing I need to do
I love 464 and it's been the only wax I've ever used. I do 80% of the time get bumpy tops once solidified but I pour at 150 (I buy from Candlewic and I always go by the manufacturer's temp recc's). I have noticed if poured at around 147 the tops get smoother for me. Either way, the gun resolves all my top issues.
I've also noticed that fragrance oils can also alter the finish on the tops. With thicker fragrances (ie have greater viscosity) I will add them in at about 190 instead of 185 and this seems to help them bind better with the fragrances and produce a smoother finish after pouring.
I use 464 for my candles and haven't had problems til i started using wood wicks. the problems i have is that I get sink holes but can use a heat gun or double pour. other than that, cold throw is amazing and so is hot throw. i've also experienced that the reason they might get "ugly" after being lit is if you use too much fragrance oil. great video though thanks for this.
alsooo, 464 is prone to frosting but is absolutely normal with pure soy wax (464). it’s a good wax to use if you want to use something that is eco friendly, vegan, kosher, paraffin free, gmo free or additive free.
I’ve experienced this with my candles as well! I use 10% fragrance oil.
yeah i honestly don’t mind the sink holes though as i have a heat gun or i just double pour. the hot/cold throw and the smooth tops are well worth it once you’ve figured out the right fragrance load 🤍
At what temperature do you add your FO?
Thank you in advance ☺️
@@ttteao what fragrance % do you uses with 464 . How is the hot throw ?
I'm so surprised this was your first time trying 464 wax. I have 464 currently and it's the first wax I purchased. The issues I've seen with 464 have been improper wicks for the containers used (or in general) and pouring at a higher temperature outside of what is recommended.
Other than that, it's a great wax and I've seen mostly positives reviews.
Hi love I’m currently using this wax and having a hard time with wicks ! Do you mind sharing which one works for you? :)
@@lilnikky Hi Nicole!
I tried replying several times before but my comment keeps disappearing. Hopefully it will work this time.
I don't mind at all.
I use CD 12 for my 4oz mason jars which is 2.87" in diameter and CD 16 or 18 for my 8oz metal tins which are 2.95" in diameter.
Candle Science has a pretty good wick guide. It's not always accurate nor does it claim to be, but it gives you a good starting point for testing. If you know the diameter of your container and the type of wax, you can enter that information and it will suggest a wick. From there you can test (+/-) from a starting point of the suggested wick.
I hope that helps and I wish you much success on your candle journey.
Your videos are just great! I am a newbie, just gathering info at this point. I really appreciate your candor. So informative, so helpful!
I’m so glad! Thank you for watching ☺️
I still haven’t used 464. I think it’s just temperamental, I do see some who get really beautiful results.
I have a whole bag of 464 that I’m trying to practice with and use it up before buying my next wax, if anyone has suggestions, please let me know! Besides 464 being temperamental, the one thing I really don’t like about it is it’s melting point, which is between 113-119 F. The reason I don’t like it is because I feel if I were to ever sell candles, the vessel itself, then wrapping, then putting it in a box, then putting it on a truck (unless you pay extra for conditioned trucks) will be hot. It might not look as pretty when the customer gets it. I could be very wrong, but this is how I’ve always thought about it.
My first candle making experience was with 464. And all of my candles came out with smooth tops. Not sure if it was beginners luck lol. Never used it again only because I found CAC.
464 takes a lot of patience...I love using it
Thank you, I brought some 464 wax and was going to blend it with some coconut wax. I'll make some testers to see how they come out.
Yessss! Thanks Érica for your input 🙏🏽
I would love some oils to test! I'm new and have tried the 444 and 464 so far.. Trying the C6 next. In the future I definitely want to try the Soy 10 when its in stock!
I started with 444 and 464 was a big upgrade in regards to hot throw and smooth creamy tops. I've poured hundreds of 464 since and rarely need to heat gun them unless it's a certain type of fragrance oil. I pour much lower at 150 and tend to get perfect adhesion to apothecary style jars and whiskey/tumbler glasses. I've been super impressed! Was also skeptical given what others have mentioned online. Guess it all comes down to testing.. I didn't like the EcoSoya CB-Advanced tho, it had a terrible plastic smell and was tough to work with compared to 464. I'd love to test Soy 10 someday when it's back in stock and 16/17 are sourcing a new all-soy blend without the food-grade paraffin which sounds amazing as well.
What wicks do you like using with 464?
@@Bella_0303 I like CD-2, CD-3 and ECO-2's for most of my vessels. They are all doubled up, so x2 of each wick per vessel to get a 3" to 3.5" diameter melt pool
Which wick do you recommend me to use if the diameter of my candle is 9.5 cm?
I've had great luck with the 464 in opaque containers. Clear glass, notsomuch. I haven't found anything else that gives me better throws.
I started out with 464 for a whole year and really wanting it to work. I would wrap the jars with felt and over came the wet spots 🙂 I would cover the jars with a box and got smooth tops and no frosting yippy BUT THEN their were only a handful of scents that were actually strong. So after 3 months I looked at those " perfect candles" and they looked like crap. Frosted, dry looking , very disappointed. Now I make wax melts with a para soy blend. Wish I had patience and a lot more time and money to try other waxes and wicks and jars, oh my.😅
Very interesting thanks for this video! I used to use 464 but now use VCS / EC26 and I have to say I’ve been curious about coco 83... and 464 had better HT than VCS for me but I like the texture of VCS much more. So many options!
Thank you for this awesome comparison video. I use 464 and love it!
Thank you so much for your videos! I am new in candle making field and this information (and everything else from your channel) is VERY helpful! Great job, thank you for your help :-)
I love all your ideas, and you teach this so well you should be a patreon I think that’s how you spell it I would most definitely support you.. you are very good at explaining instructions…
I would love to do a patreon, how I am already so busy and I just don’t know if I would have the time to give it the attention it would deserve ❤️
Wow this was a great video! I use 464 with my candles but I have been thinking of switching to the soy 10 wax from cal candlesupply. How has that wax worked for you? Also, I could use some testing fragrance oils 😬😬😬
Hello. Thank you for a good review. Maybe you could make a review on Cargill C-3 soy wax?
i just started my own candle journey and bought Cargill C-3....found out last night that the company has major ethical and sustainability issues. *sigh*
I am starting my candle business and I have already ordered 464 wax. What wax would you recommend for beginners though?
Me too girl. This was the only available one and now I'm afraid to even start after reading the comments
I use 464 wax from candle science and it’s nice and soft , I also tried soy wax from heart and craft store (more expensive though) kinda dry wax. I also tried coconut soy blend and it’s very hard wax definitely not for vessels but ok for pillars candles 🕯
464 is the first wax I tried, hated it. My kid said it looks awful, Tried C3, tried C6, and landed on a 6006. ❤️ love to see you try a 6006 compared to soy 10. ❤️😜
So would you say 100% alone was the best out of the three? I use 464 (I can’t get soy 10 in Canada) and I’ve done so much testing with 464 alone and with coconut wax and I honest prefer 464 by itself. Coconut wax added burns so much quicker, too. I personally didn’t find any benefits to adding coconut wax. So glad I have 50lbs of it.. 😂😂😂
I've only ever used 464 and I really like it. It has its quirks but I roll with them lol. I bought some EcoSoya CB135 wax to try but my understanding is that you need LX wicks for it, which haven't been available. Have you tried that wax at all? Thanks for another great video! Jeanne @HarvestHerbals
I only use 464 Soy Wax it has the best hot throw
I have been using 6% FO..the cold throw is amazing..buy hot throw not so much! So I might bump it up to 10%
Hey girl! I use 8-9% and found that’s the sweet spot for me!
@@Janaleezy if u don't mind me asking what wax do u use?
@@AngelTakesOn I use soy 444
Thank you so much for everything you do. You have helped me so much. I love all your videos.
Also if you have anymore extra fragrances can you send them my way. I am so happy I found you.
I'm liking 464 so far. I was loyal to cb advanced beforehand. Before trying 464 I tried c3 as I heard great things about it and terrible things about 464. My experience has been the opposite of most people. Really really hated c3.
Please tell Why?
I’ve always used 464 and it’s amazing!
Which wicks do you recommend?
I’m wondering what is the best natural wax for wax tarts? And which one do you use?
I’m a beginner at candle making and that’s the wax that I worked with are working at the moment 464; I really do not care for it that much my candles came out with sinkholes a rough top frosting those are just a few but I do not care for this wax so I’m going to be trying a different wax since I am a beginner just starting out I’m in the process of testing waxes wicks, fragrance , color dyes…..etc so I hope to have better luck with other waxes
it would be great if you could do some testing with Kerasoy Container wax wich is one of the most popular waxes in Europe, but i'm not sure if it is easy to get in the US
I have been working with 464wax, C3 wax and now I will try Kerasoy from UK.
Ive been trying the Kerasoy in Aust nice and smooth but not getting a great scent throw until I added some old crystal palm wax.
I really enjoy your videos and wanted to show some love by purchasing a few candles from your website. I noticed they're all sold out. Did you get a spike in sales that depleted your inventory or are you taking a break from selling?
That’s so nice of you! I have a few 6 oz tins still available but I’m going to be restocking more soon! I almost sold out within 2 weeks of my grand opening!
@@MemoryBoxCandleCo That is so awesome! Congratulations! Thanks for the reply and I look forward to supporting you. Thanks for all of the wonderful videos!
So can tell me the wax she personally uses?
I'm from UK and we don't have so many different waxes. I tried few 464,444,c3 and more. 464 was best and easiest to work with. The broblem for me was always those sinkholes around wick, underneath. I wish there was a way to scan a candle and see what's inside :( becouse of that I don't feel confident start selling them. Meybe I will try poking all of them and use heat gun so I can be sure :/
Great video! I am getting ready to use 444. Would love to watch a review.
just recently tried 464 with eco series wick and the hot throw TERRIBLE. the wax itself had a very smooth top. i loved that, but the hot throw was faint. i followed the instructions with pouring at 135, the cold throw was pretty good tho.
464 is all I have ever used in the last 6 years and have smooth, perfect tops 99% of the time. Occasionally I have a sink hole if I pour too cool that I will have to hit with a heat gun.
Coconut 83 is sooo expensive to have shipped! I know someone who uses it with SP486 which is a hard pillar wax. She uses the mix in containers and swears the hot throw is amazing! Haven’t tried it myself, because of the shipping charge Swan Candles charges.
My first time with 464 was not good but I’m giving it another try this week I pray it’s better this time around
Hi Erica, What soy wax do you like to use best?
I worked with this wax and it works perfect for me and it has a excellent hot throw
It’s bipolar but i loveeeeee it, it was what I started out using we have a love love hate relationship lol
Tried 464 recently just for kicks bc I had not used any soy wax at all before.
After trying it, I have no idea how anyone uses soy wax or 464. I started out with coconut, hemp, palm, olive oil blend, moved on to using IGI 6046, which is mostly paraffin with some coconut wax, and a lastly, A proprietary coco wax that is mostly coco but with touch of paraffin... soy wax in any wax has no appeal to me. I only assume it became popular bc the only choice prior was paraffin.
I've been debating between waxes thanks for this!!
I used 464 and I love this wax
Can you purchase this candle jar some place other than California Candle supply? Or is this exclusive to them? Thanks!
I love 464. It’s the wax I’ve used since the beginning of my candle journey. It’s all about the temps! I have always had great luck with the HT and smooth tops. I think most HT issues people have are related the wicks or FO and not the 464. Thanks for the great video!
Hey what wicks do you use?
@@cscott505 I use Eco wicks
Hi Glamour! Currently I’m burning at 185 and pouring at 170. What would you recommend ? :)
I bought 464 a few years back when people were complaining that something was wrong with the batches. I did everything that experts recommended to do. Got the wick size down but HT was very minimal. I was very disappointed to say the least. Been using 6006, Coco 83 and Joy waxes. I love 6046 but the wax starts to discolor after burning 3/4 of the candle. But the HT is amazing.
Hey Erika. Were you satisfied with the eco 1s for the 100% 464 or would you wick up?
I want to try coconut 83 wax from california candle supply but it's out of stock so long 😭😭😭
I also get almost no hot throw from 464 I’ve tried many different things that could potentially help but no luck, I ended up adding 12% fragrance load
464 is the only wax I use & I don’t experience any issues with the hot or cold scent throw now that I tried different techniques.. stirring my wax for a good amount of time to help the scent oil bind with the wax has helped greatly. Temp you pour it into the jars has helped with the frosting & sink holes & changing the wick has helped with the burning.
what temperature do you pour them? I always have so much frosting.
Hello yes I could use some for testing and I am just getting started been making candles for a year now it's little hard to keep scents so any extra would be great for test or how much would you charge for some scents really could use some this video help me alot thanks I try the co co one. For test or making candles.
thanks! so what combination of wax you are currently using for your candles?
OH! May I get the list of those fragrances?!
Eric, I’m so taken by the knowledge break down and appreciate you input. Would love some samples of your fragrance oils for testing. My journey hasn’t started yet just getting supplies in order. I don’t want to be discouraged or be too hard on myself when I start the process. Thanks for EVERYTHING. #NewSubbie
I feel like i watched this months ago, before starting maybe, and ive been using the 464 and there is some issues here and there but for as a first start, its not bad, the smell ia pretty strong with certain scents i use, not from the same company I get the wax from though.
However now doing a re-up after making about 30 and burning through a lot of them to test, I wanted to try the 83, and the rep helping said it was smoother, as well as has more hot throw. The only thing that threw me off was the slight amount of something not natural in the blend, not as much as the hybrid but still not as 100% natural as the soy 464, so really want to stay on brand being natural but hey you really don't know whats in any of em unless you scraped it up yourself, so going to try the coconut on this re-up to see how it does, as well as stock up on the 464, and gonna watch and see what you think about how it works for you.
Ok so after seeing it I see the 50/50 came out with less hot throw wondering if thats because of the blend chemistry like you said or if the 464 is just stronger than the coconut, i thought what you used was the coconut 83 originally. Either way they all look pretty smooth besides the sinking in the mixed ones. Going to look more into mixes to do with the soy.
I too have never tried soy wax 464 because of all the negative things I've heard. I don't think we have the other waxes you spoke of in Australia.
I have been practicing on 464 and nearly used 4kg of it and the results so far are pretty bad the finish looks awful on 8/10 candles. I habe tried to preheat, etc etc, different pouring temps etc. I think I ll look at a different blend. Am also in australia
Interested to hear which waxes you guys are using.. Not having much joy with the new soy and parasoy i bought from Eroma.
Hey Erica! I’ve watched almost all your videos and haven’t seen one on if you let your candles cure and if you do how long do you let them cure?!
I let them cure about 1-2 weeks! 🤍
Hey Erica, which soy wax do you use? I always thought you used 464
Would you recommend using solid soy wax verses flaky soy wax?
Which soy wax soja do you recommend to make candles that do not crack as much?
Would you make all 3 to sell with your findings? Or which one would you sell?