Doom Fang Pauldron do have some interesting synergy with the Ruinous Effigy since the orbs spawned with it counts as void melee. Worth nothing but probably not enough to change the classification since it *really* pigeon-holes you.
@Castle Content by the way, kephris horn actually will kill and 9 resilience and under, as the flame goes out and does 100 damage, and then comes back and does 100 damage again. You need to clear the back space and give the solar burst more room. I get kills every match with it, and it procs sunspots for bottom tree solar
Ya a couple people have commented this. My mindset on this one was more so applied to using them against very high level players outside of typical comp or QP but you’re absolutely right in what you’ve said.
Boy. I have played Titan since D1 and this is by far one of the best videos for the Titan I’ve seen in a while. Not only do you explain the videos, but your insight and consistency throughout is phenomenal and to the point. Thank you for the effort you placed in this video. 10/10 I will definitely recommend you to my entire discord.
Dude this was an instant sub from me. What a detailed breakdown, I can't even imagine the amount of work that went into this + the intermission and stasis sub section. You're awesome dude, I hope you have a great day.
Castle, if you want to like the Icefall Mantles, go the new aspect with whisper of chains. Use your abilities to create crystals because it stacks with whisper of chains. Thats right at 400hp, and now you've got more damage resistance than most supers. I run it with sweet business and just own a section of the map. No one comes into my house
For Helm of Saint 14, it only blinds you IMMEDIATELY AFTER the block and if you're NEARBY the Titan blocking. You can tell how there's a pulse on the ground right when he starts blocking. Also worth noting that the description for Exotic perks are summarized when you hover over the item and the full description is revealed when you inspect it. I think it's better to use the collections tab in-game than to look at them from a website for this reason.
This tier list is top notch. You put a lot of time and effort into researching how well each exotic armor piece does in PvP, and it shows. Thanks for giving a detailed breakdown of all things titan. I learned a lot from it, not just what exotics I plan to start trying out in PvP, but also an explanation for how a titan melee or grenade can one shot me (something the game doesn’t do well sometimes). My only gripe is that there isn’t a similar video for hunter and warlock exotics, but maybe you’ll make those soon?
@@CODYoungGunna nah but still bottom tree is always better...the only thing middle tree has that could be useful is escaping with the melee if you are midair
Great video man. I'm a Heart of inmost light main. I always new it was good, but didn't know the nitty gritty details. Would love to see a breakdown video if you have time. Castle is our Titan King! ✊
I love how informative you are. No other UA-camr that creates destiny content makes the same videos. Like I feel like I've got an edge when i finish watching your videos, because it makes me feel like I know something not a lot of people do. Well except your viewers. But basically. Thank you for making these amazing videos
Antaeus wards are really useful for a specific scenario that I run into way too often, which is when you need to cross a lane that is being controlled by a sniper or multiple enemy guardians. Just sprint against the wall until reflective vents proc, then slide with complete invulnerability. (It makes you completely invulnerable from all sides, but only reflects stuff that hits you front on, at least that’s how it works last time I tried them.)
Yeah only those legs wont do anything against stasis. Not even the melee stasis. U will instant freez even when ur shield is up. So tbh... those legs arnt great anymore either.
@@dvb8637 Last time I checked antaeus could deflect penumbral blast and withering blade. I'm not sure about shiver strike. As for the grenades and supers, I'm not sure.
There is an insane build for icefall mantle that allows you to get super levels of damage resistance using aspects and fragments. Allowing it to always have it up. Look it up, it's insane. It allows you to take point-blank felwinters + punch. Direct hit rockets, 90 rpm sniper headshots and etc
@@CastleContent would you be willing to help spread this idea? Alright boys and squirrels, I'm assuming that you can tell by the smell of crayons, that yes, I am a titan main. The Mask of the Quiet One is my absolute favorite Titan exotic, and love the way it looks. Not everybody gets it, and what it's worth, and I do feel like the exotic perk does keep it from being S tier. HOWEVER, I have thought long and hard on this one, and I think I've come up with a unique solution to promote aggressive game play, while really allowing this helmet to FEEL truly exotic, while remaining balanced. New Exotic Perk: While shields are active, taking damage grants ability energy and kills trigger health regeration. When critically wounded, damage is increased and regain maximum health on kills. Now, this change would essentially create 2 different play style elements. As long as your shields are up, taking damage grants you ability energy. Triggering health regen on kills can allow you to stay in this state for longer, allowing you to really be on the front lines, actively rewarding you for aggressive game play. The more aggressive you are, the more you get out of this, especially in pve. In PVP, I feel like this would remain very balanced, as there is currently lots of things that can trigger health regen (one eyed mask, skullfort, healing rift, etc) and still requires skill to operate, you gotta win your fights. It might give you a slight edge against multiple opponents, but is not a guaranteed insta win. On the other side, once your health drops to critical (red bar portion, shields Depleted) then dreaded visage would activate. Currently its not listed, but in its current state, when your health is critical, taking damage does not grant ability energy. So dreaded visage could remain the same, only adding increased damage. In pve, MotQO is great for sustainability when your health is low, of you can secure kills, you won't die. Adding a damage boost ties directly into the perk dreaded visage, be very aggressive, get a kill, don't die. The maximum health does not include shields or trigger regen, but it can keep you from dying. In PVP, this can again, give you an advantage to win your gun fights, but being at red bar is very, very risky. Therfore, I don't think it would be overpowered. (Unlike One Eyed Mask was at one point.) There are already damage boosts available (such as sunspot or empowering rift) so nothing game breaking there. I need to calculate how much the damage increase should be to remain balanced, to comment if you know, but I will update this post after I do some math. This change would simply give players a more risk/reward dichotomy to balance, being more exposed and aggressive to gain and chain more ability energy and kills, or balance on razer edge, close to death, dishing out way more damage looking for each next kill to stay alive. I think this can catapult MotQO to a top tier S exotic, able to strike fear into the hearts of your enemies, just by seeing the intimidating horns towering over, filling them with dread. If your a titan main, or you wish to support your favorite titan with more than just a box of crayons, please share and spread this message, and consider signing a petition, I will absolutely create one, again I will update this post.
I get that I’m a bit late to the party, but I wanna go on a rant for a bit concerning *Icefall Mantle* These things have quickly become my favourite Titan exotics ever since I laid my hands on them, because of how much you can fuck your opponents with them. I think the reason why people dislike this exotic, is mostly because they don’t know how to use it most effectively. What the trick is to using this exotic, is that your overshield almost acts like a healthbar completely separate to your own, meaning that if you take damage to your overshield, your health regeneration is not interrupted, unlike something such as Defensive Strike or One-Eyed Mask. This means that if someone takes away your shield (which is 130 hp at 10 res), and you’re left only with your normal healthbar (which is 70 hp at any res), you get behind cover, pop your shield when you hear your healthbar regenerating again. Should your opponent break it immediately, they’ll have to chew through 170 hp still, making it not much different for them than whenever you’re at full health, though if they let you recharge, they’ve had to do 130 for the initial break, 100 for the second, 130 again for the third break, then 70 damage to actually kill you, making the damage they need to bring you down at that moment 430. People imagine they have to be a massive tank, roaming around the map killing people because you’re unable to be brought down, while in fact, you’re using it mostly to win engagements you’re losing. Not only that, but you can survive aggressive frame and slug shotgun full damage shots and live, making people who wait around corners throw their mouse across the screen when a simple hunter jump doesn’t cut it anymore to bring someone down with their Felwinters. You can survive 90 rpm sniper double bodies, you can survive a 120 rpm handcannon three tap. The mobility doesn’t matter when the shield is meant to be broken. Hell, you can even just stand in front of your teammate to act as the barricade you’re replacing. I did it yesterday in trials, only I’m a barricade with much more aimassist, one that shoots back and with a teammate behind me that can shoot you as well. Even if your shield doesn’t break, using Shiver Strike from Behemoth renders the movement irrelevant when you zoom back into action anyway. The only real downside I can see, is that you won’t be able to cyberbully people in Control by floating ten miles above them and melting them down with a True Prophecy. If you enjoy using things like Tommy’s Matchbook, Last Word and Dead Man’s Tale as well, even better, because you keep just as much mobility as the person crouch spamming in front of you while they’re aimed down sights, only you have 1.5x their health. Easy A tier.
Just a few comments on Khepri's Horn, since I used it quite extensively. On a flat surface, it propels a firewave out *that comes back* after around 8m. So you can do 2x100dmg, and if your target is at or close to max range, you will do those 2 ticks instantly. The issue is that if the outwards wave cannot fully extend, it doesn't come back. In addition, when used with bottom solar, it counts as an ability kill, creating a sunspot. If you tailor your build around it (100 resilience + dynamo + a fire primary for example) you can get a barricade up extremely fast, feeding your grenade / melee / super if you hit with the wave, and if manage to secure a sunspot it snowballs extremely fast. The major issue is that it requires a major playstyle shift to take advantage off, and with stasis in game, this playstyle took a huge hit. It's honestly a C Tier if you have no idea how to use it with the decent build, A Tier if you capitalize on it in 6v6.
As someone who's been using Quiet One since Red War until now, with no deviation into other exotics on my Titan, i'd say it's mostly a PvE mow-down exotic. Its best use case is charging face first into a group of Mobs with riskrunner and not worrying a bit about dying with it saving my ass in some endgame activities more times than i can keep count better than any icefall. It's more based on a Quantity-over-Quality firefight like as a reaper/collector in gambit, or in the Shuro Chi encounter where you can absolutely clean the floor as an undying tank, with it constantly keeping one from dying as long as an enemy's around, with it being more lackluster in Quality-over-Quantity firefight such as bosses or PvP.
Precious Scars also does: Final blows from weapons with a damage type matching your subclass energy create a burst of healing around you. I was really interested in your take on that.
Another banger. I use Citan's mainly, but I main Pulses, so they allow me to counter snipers without equipping a sniper, so I can still ape when in medium-close range. My others I use are all the S-tiers.
This video is incredibly informative. Ignoring the tier ranking it is a very solid overview of all Titan exotics and their functionality. The tiers are icing.
Quick thing for Mk. 44 Stand asides, the description on it is wrong. It says it only works with shield bash, seismic strike, and hammer strike, but for some reason it also works with ballistic slam. Makes that slam a LOT safer to do, but still not that useful.
The normal punches with skullfort don’t actually refund your melee energy but while on the juggernaut skill tree, activating knockout makes your melee do arc damage which counts for the perk. Also helm of saint blindness is a short range burst immediately when blocking, enemy has to be really close in order to get hit by it. The effect doesn’t linger, you need to re-block again while they’re close.
If I remember correctly insurmountable skull fort can be another swappable exotic. Since it grants health I’m pretty sure it heals you after each kill in your striker super, it might work well in 6v6.
@@CastleContent very welcome. Your descriptions on the pro/cons on how to use them are what made it. Would be great to see the other classes done with the same depth. Keep it up!
Just wanted to note that kephris horn flame wave should return to the barricade dealing a total of 200 damage to anyone caught in it, and if you can sweet spot the barricade and hit them at the end of the flame wave, they'll instantly take the 200 damage, this counts as an ability kill for middle and bottom tree hammers giving you sunspots and roaring flames. For ursas, guarding with top and/or bottom tree also gives you super energy back, and in some cases in the past has even led to more super energy being generated than middle tree. For peacekeepers I personally feel like people tend to forget that getting all of those buff even on only one weapon is already massive, I pair my smg with a sniper and use the extra movement speed and fov with the smg out to move around and then swap to the sniper quickly because the smg also gets faster stow speed. MK 44 standaside inexplicably work with ballistic slam on middle tree arc.
I love these vids! Great job! Sometimes I realize I’m using it the exotic wrong! I know a lot of work went into this and I really appreciate cheers 🍻 bro
Amazing content, as always. Utterly invaluable breakdown, as a Titan main. Heart of Inmost Light has always been my go to simply for the amazing ability regen, but only just starting to appreciate the OHKO potential of grenades in PVP. Are you planning on doing a video on this? Can’t seem to find any consistent information regarding potential grenade types versus resilience values for OHKO windows. Fusion grenades seem very reliable at this when empowered is active, but magnetic grenades much less so.
Regarding dunemarchers, probably the best thing for me is the fact that the chain lighting will persist on a dead player. Can’t tell you how many time a guy thought he was safe to push and his friends corpse lights him up
My favorite PvP exotics for each class are: Warlock: Ophidian Aspect. Since I don't have Mantle of Battle Harmony, and I don't really care for the increased sprint speed on Warlock from Transversives, can't go wrong with the free mini Quickdraw and Loader for all weapons, especially in this shotgun meta. Also helps pull off Eriana + Steady Hand combo. Hunter: Lucky Pants. I don't have Mask of Bakris, and I like Eriana's + Steady Hand too much. But most of the time I just roll Stompies. Titan: ASHEN. WAKE. Pop someone with a 120 rpm in the body, and then grenade them for a kill. Once you get 3 kills with the middle tree Sunbreaker, you can instantly kill anyone with instant explosion fusion nades that come back after every kill, so as long as you're killing a person every 30 seconds you're getting it back. Absolutely CLAPS in 6v6. But obviously not too useful in Trials. Also forces you to use Burning Maul which is a bit of a downside.
I am glad the gave code of the missile some love since it doesn't see much play in PvE. I wonder when Sentinel might get a new exotic that might change it or buff it
Love this video! Thank you Castle. I know you’re a titan main, but could you create one of these for Hunter/warlock or recommend someone that might have done that?
I’m definitely going to start playing on the others now that I got this beast done. In the meantime though Patty did one for hunter a long time ago and Apa did one for warlock.
My hunter clan mate always gushes over Phoenix cradles. Mainly because that sun warrior buff also effects their supers, extending them. But the moments they actually can get this combo off is so rare it’s not even worth the effort.
I've mained HoIL since Beyond Light, but the Dead Man's Tale catalyst with Lion Rampants is actually really good. Not just a meme like a lot of other AC-130 builds (Jotunn, Sweet Business, Skyburner's, etc.), but they're actually good with the DMT catalyst. 100% in-air hip-fire accuracy.
For helm of saint 14 the melee mode will only blind if you activate your block while the enemy is right next to you, blocking and then walking into them won’t blind
I love Antaeus wards. My entire triple 100 build is around them in strength, recovery, and intellect. That being said they make me play way dumber sometimes. If I hear the enemy team pop a golden gun, I will instinctively throw the match just to try and reflect. It’s really a problem. But they’re so much fun I can’t part with them.
Very informative - and a bit old at the moment compared to recent exotic balance changes - but I 100% disagree with Hallowfire Heart going to C. Even you have said repeatedly that D2 is often an ability spamfest and here, you are illustrating exactly why it should be placed higher.
A note on the phoenix cradle exotic and sunspot titan in general. You can actually get a sunspot by killing yourself! Did that one time in PvP and got like 2 kills.
Sentinel shield blinding with Helm of Saint 14 at least works in PVE - enemies do the same flinching animation as when hit by a blinding grenade launcher if you walk into them while blocking.
In my honest opinion Mask of Quiet One should be buffed to also begin shield regeneration when you get a kill while critically wounded on top of the health restore. Would it be OP? Maybe or maybe not. Would it be any different than having 10 recovery?
Umm excuse you Castle. Cuirass of the Falling Star “technically” (probably a bug) does work on Stasis. Idk about the extra damage but it gives you a short overshield after getting out of the behemoth super, and I saw CoolGuy use it in Trials of Osiris. Great tierlist overall! Severance is higher than I expected and Doom Fang Pauldrons are lower than I expected.
Hey Castle, I noticed that the top three S tier titan exotics are the ones that I enjoy the most on behemoth. Would you be able to make some builds, particularly for heart of inmost on stasis (my favorite). You have probably made a video about this already, but there are new fragments like (forgot the name) which gives you grenade energy after taking damage, and after some testing it definitely works in crucible. Also, whisper of chains (resistance around friendly crystals) could be viable in crucible as a way to tank shotgun rushers/create destroyable cover with the glacier grenade. The new aspect (howl of the something) creates crystals as well, and is only really useful in tight spaces like buildings as there are many stompees hunters that never stay on the ground. I’m curious to see what you come up with. I have been experimenting a bit, and I think maybe whisper of chains and a fusion with max discipline armor + HOIL could be interesting. Or maybe you could somehow spec into getting the behemoth melee back instantly, which has HUGE crucible potential. Also do you have any insight as to how bungie might nerf behemoth, and how to “future proof” the build? Idk just some ideas, love your vids. Keep it up man!
Coolguy mentioned this on firing line I believe, but Cuirass should be higher for stasis because the base damage shield shows up regardless of super. So, Behemoths can get beefier...
Severance enclosure is by far my favourite Titan exotic simply because with middle tree sunbreaker i once took down the entire enemy team of six people with three hammers back to back.
About the wormgods not 1 hitting on the second stack if you run middle tree striker it has a passive melee buff that if you get it with a melee kill that combines with wormgods gives you 7m range one shot punches
Ashen Wake underrated and can allow for some of the best neutral gameplay of a titan witb middle tree. Hammer and nade combos are insanely powerful and easy now with hammer magnetism. At least A tier
►OTHER TIER LISTS:
Fusion Rifles: ua-cam.com/video/rpQ3IDFfye4/v-deo.html
Hunter Exotics: ua-cam.com/video/p5BppBBXorA/v-deo.html
SMGs: ua-cam.com/video/bzyzx-xFVjM/v-deo.html
Shotguns: ua-cam.com/video/dlItcqXjdPM/v-deo.html
Doom Fang Pauldron do have some interesting synergy with the Ruinous Effigy since the orbs spawned with it counts as void melee. Worth nothing but probably not enough to change the classification since it *really* pigeon-holes you.
doomfangs also give super energy on shield throw hit
@Castle Content by the way, kephris horn actually will kill and 9 resilience and under, as the flame goes out and does 100 damage, and then comes back and does 100 damage again. You need to clear the back space and give the solar burst more room. I get kills every match with it, and it procs sunspots for bottom tree solar
Ya a couple people have commented this. My mindset on this one was more so applied to using them against very high level players outside of typical comp or QP but you’re absolutely right in what you’ve said.
@@CastleContent you right, its maybe a comfy B tier, I just need them to buff Mask of the Quiet One to S tier!
5:49 the blinding effect only procs when the shield is first raised in a guard, you can notice a little void pulse when he starts blocking
That’s so pointless
Boy. I have played Titan since D1 and this is by far one of the best videos for the Titan I’ve seen in a while. Not only do you explain the videos, but your insight and consistency throughout is phenomenal and to the point. Thank you for the effort you placed in this video. 10/10 I will definitely recommend you to my entire discord.
Yo that is super kind of you! Thanks 🙌
42:32 "If you could create a sunspot just by getting any kind of weapon kill then these would be busted"
Jotunn: "Allow me to introduce myself"
Haha yeah I left that little Easter egg clip in there 😅
@@CastleContent not just jotunn I'm pretty sure it works with sunshot too
@@FeelGoodDivine um sunshot just makes an icebreaker explosion
The burning rasputin mod price as well.
@@FeelGoodDivine works with jötunn and other solar splash like chain reaction
Dude this was an instant sub from me. What a detailed breakdown, I can't even imagine the amount of work that went into this + the intermission and stasis sub section. You're awesome dude, I hope you have a great day.
Worked super hard on this one so I really appreciate hearing feedback like this thank you man
"I'm really excited to give back to everyone" says the guy who spends so much time creating amazing videos which we enjoy for free... 🤷♂️😻🥳
Haha thank you! That’s seriously kind of you I appreciate it.
I know right!!!
I love severance, rocked it most of last season, with the right mods you are just a walking bomb. I just wish it worked with stasis
I still use it it's my absolute favorite.
@@omega9484 as soon as it gets adjusted so I can use it with stasis as well it will go straight back on
Ditto
It was dogshit when it came out.
@@Osprey1994 no arguments here but it did get buffed and was awesome
Castle, if you want to like the Icefall Mantles, go the new aspect with whisper of chains. Use your abilities to create crystals because it stacks with whisper of chains. Thats right at 400hp, and now you've got more damage resistance than most supers. I run it with sweet business and just own a section of the map. No one comes into my house
Great example of passive support: Eye of Another World. Deceptively good, amazing on Stasis. That ability regen speed boost is nuts, and painless too.
For Helm of Saint 14, it only blinds you IMMEDIATELY AFTER the block and if you're NEARBY the Titan blocking. You can tell how there's a pulse on the ground right when he starts blocking.
Also worth noting that the description for Exotic perks are summarized when you hover over the item and the full description is revealed when you inspect it. I think it's better to use the collections tab in-game than to look at them from a website for this reason.
Good call re: Saint-14 and yes you should definitely inspect to get the exotic's full description in-game
yet another epic piece of content from castle
this answers so many questions i had as a titan main!
Thanks Gjerda!
If the movement penalty on Icefall was just so you couldn't sprint, I think it would be fine
This tier list is top notch. You put a lot of time and effort into researching how well each exotic armor piece does in PvP, and it shows. Thanks for giving a detailed breakdown of all things titan. I learned a lot from it, not just what exotics I plan to start trying out in PvP, but also an explanation for how a titan melee or grenade can one shot me (something the game doesn’t do well sometimes). My only gripe is that there isn’t a similar video for hunter and warlock exotics, but maybe you’ll make those soon?
Eventually I’d like to yep. Not for a while though as I focus on some other things first. Thx for the kind words!
"Bottom tree Striker is the most competitive Arc subclass."
Middle tree would like a word with you.
I much prefer middle, but its not nearly competitive like bottom.
@@Arrow7700 go watch cross. Middle tree is plenty competitive
Bottom is definitely the most competitive arc subclass.
@@Facelauss all depends on the map and on play style
@@CODYoungGunna nah but still bottom tree is always better...the only thing middle tree has that could be useful is escaping with the melee if you are midair
Great video man. I'm a Heart of inmost light main. I always new it was good, but didn't know the nitty gritty details. Would love to see a breakdown video if you have time. Castle is our Titan King! ✊
Thx u, starting to play a bit more titan and having a better knowledge of which exotic is better for titans helps me a lot
That’s awesome Los 👍
I love how informative you are. No other UA-camr that creates destiny content makes the same videos. Like I feel like I've got an edge when i finish watching your videos, because it makes me feel like I know something not a lot of people do. Well except your viewers. But basically. Thank you for making these amazing videos
Antaeus wards are really useful for a specific scenario that I run into way too often, which is when you need to cross a lane that is being controlled by a sniper or multiple enemy guardians. Just sprint against the wall until reflective vents proc, then slide with complete invulnerability. (It makes you completely invulnerable from all sides, but only reflects stuff that hits you front on, at least that’s how it works last time I tried them.)
Yeah only those legs wont do anything against stasis. Not even the melee stasis. U will instant freez even when ur shield is up. So tbh... those legs arnt great anymore either.
@@dvb8637 Last time I checked antaeus could deflect penumbral blast and withering blade. I'm not sure about shiver strike. As for the grenades and supers, I'm not sure.
There is an insane build for icefall mantle that allows you to get super levels of damage resistance using aspects and fragments. Allowing it to always have it up. Look it up, it's insane. It allows you to take point-blank felwinters + punch. Direct hit rockets, 90 rpm sniper headshots and etc
Poor Mask of the Quiet One... if only they’d just turned it into something close to OEM it could’ve been amazing
Right?!
Boys, if they just keep the current perks, and just add health regen upon kills, my boy will be S tier
@@CastleContent would you be willing to help spread this idea?
Alright boys and squirrels, I'm assuming that you can tell by the smell of crayons, that yes, I am a titan main.
The Mask of the Quiet One is my absolute favorite Titan exotic, and love the way it looks. Not everybody gets it, and what it's worth, and I do feel like the exotic perk does keep it from being S tier.
HOWEVER, I have thought long and hard on this one, and I think I've come up with a unique solution to promote aggressive game play, while really allowing this helmet to FEEL truly exotic, while remaining balanced.
New Exotic Perk:
While shields are active, taking damage grants ability energy and kills trigger health regeration. When critically wounded, damage is increased and regain maximum health on kills.
Now, this change would essentially create 2 different play style elements. As long as your shields are up, taking damage grants you ability energy. Triggering health regen on kills can allow you to stay in this state for longer, allowing you to really be on the front lines, actively rewarding you for aggressive game play. The more aggressive you are, the more you get out of this, especially in pve. In PVP, I feel like this would remain very balanced, as there is currently lots of things that can trigger health regen (one eyed mask, skullfort, healing rift, etc) and still requires skill to operate, you gotta win your fights. It might give you a slight edge against multiple opponents, but is not a guaranteed insta win. On the other side, once your health drops to critical (red bar portion, shields Depleted) then dreaded visage would activate. Currently its not listed, but in its current state, when your health is critical, taking damage does not grant ability energy. So dreaded visage could remain the same, only adding increased damage. In pve, MotQO is great for sustainability when your health is low, of you can secure kills, you won't die. Adding a damage boost ties directly into the perk dreaded visage, be very aggressive, get a kill, don't die. The maximum health does not include shields or trigger regen, but it can keep you from dying. In PVP, this can again, give you an advantage to win your gun fights, but being at red bar is very, very risky. Therfore, I don't think it would be overpowered. (Unlike One Eyed Mask was at one point.) There are already damage boosts available (such as sunspot or empowering rift) so nothing game breaking there. I need to calculate how much the damage increase should be to remain balanced, to comment if you know, but I will update this post after I do some math.
This change would simply give players a more risk/reward dichotomy to balance, being more exposed and aggressive to gain and chain more ability energy and kills, or balance on razer edge, close to death, dishing out way more damage looking for each next kill to stay alive. I think this can catapult MotQO to a top tier S exotic, able to strike fear into the hearts of your enemies, just by seeing the intimidating horns towering over, filling them with dread.
If your a titan main, or you wish to support your favorite titan with more than just a box of crayons, please share and spread this message, and consider signing a petition, I will absolutely create one, again I will update this post.
I just subbed because this great man has every exotic time stamped in the description! I love this guy already.
I get that I’m a bit late to the party, but I wanna go on a rant for a bit concerning
*Icefall Mantle*
These things have quickly become my favourite Titan exotics ever since I laid my hands on them, because of how much you can fuck your opponents with them. I think the reason why people dislike this exotic, is mostly because they don’t know how to use it most effectively. What the trick is to using this exotic, is that your overshield almost acts like a healthbar completely separate to your own, meaning that if you take damage to your overshield, your health regeneration is not interrupted, unlike something such as Defensive Strike or One-Eyed Mask. This means that if someone takes away your shield (which is 130 hp at 10 res), and you’re left only with your normal healthbar (which is 70 hp at any res), you get behind cover, pop your shield when you hear your healthbar regenerating again. Should your opponent break it immediately, they’ll have to chew through 170 hp still, making it not much different for them than whenever you’re at full health, though if they let you recharge, they’ve had to do 130 for the initial break, 100 for the second, 130 again for the third break, then 70 damage to actually kill you, making the damage they need to bring you down at that moment 430. People imagine they have to be a massive tank, roaming around the map killing people because you’re unable to be brought down, while in fact, you’re using it mostly to win engagements you’re losing. Not only that, but you can survive aggressive frame and slug shotgun full damage shots and live, making people who wait around corners throw their mouse across the screen when a simple hunter jump doesn’t cut it anymore to bring someone down with their Felwinters. You can survive 90 rpm sniper double bodies, you can survive a 120 rpm handcannon three tap. The mobility doesn’t matter when the shield is meant to be broken. Hell, you can even just stand in front of your teammate to act as the barricade you’re replacing. I did it yesterday in trials, only I’m a barricade with much more aimassist, one that shoots back and with a teammate behind me that can shoot you as well. Even if your shield doesn’t break, using Shiver Strike from Behemoth renders the movement irrelevant when you zoom back into action anyway. The only real downside I can see, is that you won’t be able to cyberbully people in Control by floating ten miles above them and melting them down with a True Prophecy. If you enjoy using things like Tommy’s Matchbook, Last Word and Dead Man’s Tale as well, even better, because you keep just as much mobility as the person crouch spamming in front of you while they’re aimed down sights, only you have 1.5x their health. Easy A tier.
Bro, take my sub fr. You're entertaining, thorough and informative, AND you give shout outs to other destiny content creators. Love it.
good video
this was really helpful for titan mains
Just a few comments on Khepri's Horn, since I used it quite extensively. On a flat surface, it propels a firewave out *that comes back* after around 8m. So you can do 2x100dmg, and if your target is at or close to max range, you will do those 2 ticks instantly. The issue is that if the outwards wave cannot fully extend, it doesn't come back. In addition, when used with bottom solar, it counts as an ability kill, creating a sunspot. If you tailor your build around it (100 resilience + dynamo + a fire primary for example) you can get a barricade up extremely fast, feeding your grenade / melee / super if you hit with the wave, and if manage to secure a sunspot it snowballs extremely fast. The major issue is that it requires a major playstyle shift to take advantage off, and with stasis in game, this playstyle took a huge hit. It's honestly a C Tier if you have no idea how to use it with the decent build, A Tier if you capitalize on it in 6v6.
Great post Asdrael. This is a perfect example of my ground rules and how very specific play can always highlight a certain exotic.
As someone who's been using Quiet One since Red War until now, with no deviation into other exotics on my Titan, i'd say it's mostly a PvE mow-down exotic. Its best use case is charging face first into a group of Mobs with riskrunner and not worrying a bit about dying with it saving my ass in some endgame activities more times than i can keep count better than any icefall. It's more based on a Quantity-over-Quality firefight like as a reaper/collector in gambit, or in the Shuro Chi encounter where you can absolutely clean the floor as an undying tank, with it constantly keeping one from dying as long as an enemy's around, with it being more lackluster in Quality-over-Quantity firefight such as bosses or PvP.
Aschen Wacke is so underrated why no one use it, wis sunspots. It makes so often multi kills in Comp! And you get Health back with sunspots.
What rank are you?
Ashen wakes are my go too for pvp
Precious Scars also does: Final blows from weapons with a damage type matching your subclass energy create a burst of healing around you. I was really interested in your take on that.
Really helpful video, we need more of these
you were lied to
By far the best titan pvp tip video out there! Keep it up man
I swear, When I was a new player I always thought the citans baracade was some kind of exclusive look for stasis baracades
Thank you Castle, I was coincidentally just thinking about the best exotics! :)
No problem!
Massive amount of respect for playing so many games with all these pieces! Great video
great video as usual, thanks for being so thorough
Another banger. I use Citan's mainly, but I main Pulses, so they allow me to counter snipers without equipping a sniper, so I can still ape when in medium-close range. My others I use are all the S-tiers.
This is easily one of the best videos I’ve watched in a while keep it up man !
Thanks EnZ!
I am so glad someone is giving Severance Enclosure some love - such a useful exotic!
Thanks for doing this!
You clearly put in a lot of time and effort
No problem! Enjoyed doing it 👍
Great VT really useful advise and helps with which exotics to fully masterwork 👍
This video is incredibly informative. Ignoring the tier ranking it is a very solid overview of all Titan exotics and their functionality. The tiers are icing.
Just joined the discord. Great community, thanks for bringing people together
Quick thing for Mk. 44 Stand asides, the description on it is wrong. It says it only works with shield bash, seismic strike, and hammer strike, but for some reason it also works with ballistic slam. Makes that slam a LOT safer to do, but still not that useful.
AYYYYYYY Keep at it my guy!
PS ----- Look at that Hawkmoon!
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The blinding effect from Saint-14 on blocking with the shield is a burst effect, which you can see going out in a short range after you start blocking
Man you put out some of the most detailed stuff. I love it. Keep it up
Thanks Iceman!
The normal punches with skullfort don’t actually refund your melee energy but while on the juggernaut skill tree, activating knockout makes your melee do arc damage which counts for the perk.
Also helm of saint blindness is a short range burst immediately when blocking, enemy has to be really close in order to get hit by it. The effect doesn’t linger, you need to re-block again while they’re close.
200IQ
If I remember correctly insurmountable skull fort can be another swappable exotic. Since it grants health I’m pretty sure it heals you after each kill in your striker super, it might work well in 6v6.
We need an updated version of these series for lightfall. Or did u already dropped those vids. Anyways good work 👍🏽👍🏽
Ayeeeeee just found your channel. Good info, good editing
Thx!
Phenomenal video, best of its kind that I've seen. Keep them coming.
Thank you J, I appreciate that man
@@CastleContent very welcome. Your descriptions on the pro/cons on how to use them are what made it. Would be great to see the other classes done with the same depth. Keep it up!
Peacekeepers + Shayura’s Wrath feels almost broken. Loving it.
yupppp haha
Wow.... I know it's over a year old, but you just highlighted how loadout swapping could possibly break the pvp game in Lightfall.
Just wanted to note that kephris horn flame wave should return to the barricade dealing a total of 200 damage to anyone caught in it, and if you can sweet spot the barricade and hit them at the end of the flame wave, they'll instantly take the 200 damage, this counts as an ability kill for middle and bottom tree hammers giving you sunspots and roaring flames. For ursas, guarding with top and/or bottom tree also gives you super energy back, and in some cases in the past has even led to more super energy being generated than middle tree. For peacekeepers I personally feel like people tend to forget that getting all of those buff even on only one weapon is already massive, I pair my smg with a sniper and use the extra movement speed and fov with the smg out to move around and then swap to the sniper quickly because the smg also gets faster stow speed. MK 44 standaside inexplicably work with ballistic slam on middle tree arc.
I've been looking around for a ranking list that had the Cuirass just to see if it was worth getting. Thanks for the vid mate
26:19 I don't think they would include smgs because smgs already have their own titan exotic, the Peacekeepers.
I love these vids! Great job! Sometimes I realize I’m using it the exotic wrong! I know a lot of work went into this and I really appreciate cheers 🍻 bro
Thanks Chris! Glad you enjoyed / found it helpful.
Amazing content, as always. Utterly invaluable breakdown, as a Titan main. Heart of Inmost Light has always been my go to simply for the amazing ability regen, but only just starting to appreciate the OHKO potential of grenades in PVP. Are you planning on doing a video on this? Can’t seem to find any consistent information regarding potential grenade types versus resilience values for OHKO windows. Fusion grenades seem very reliable at this when empowered is active, but magnetic grenades much less so.
Yeah I’ve been digging using lightning nades with HOIL in trials recently
Regarding dunemarchers, probably the best thing for me is the fact that the chain lighting will persist on a dead player. Can’t tell you how many time a guy thought he was safe to push and his friends corpse lights him up
The blinding on saints helm is that void pulse around the Titan when they block, you were never in it’s range. That’s why you were not getting blinded
The way you blind enemies with Saint 14 and banner shield is to activate block right next to an enemy
This video is so valuable, and just because of who it was made by
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Activating a block during sentinel will trigger an aoe blind, and then doesn’t continuously blind.
Yep, it’s when you start blocking
My favorite PvP exotics for each class are:
Warlock: Ophidian Aspect. Since I don't have Mantle of Battle Harmony, and I don't really care for the increased sprint speed on Warlock from Transversives, can't go wrong with the free mini Quickdraw and Loader for all weapons, especially in this shotgun meta. Also helps pull off Eriana + Steady Hand combo.
Hunter: Lucky Pants. I don't have Mask of Bakris, and I like Eriana's + Steady Hand too much. But most of the time I just roll Stompies.
Titan: ASHEN. WAKE. Pop someone with a 120 rpm in the body, and then grenade them for a kill. Once you get 3 kills with the middle tree Sunbreaker, you can instantly kill anyone with instant explosion fusion nades that come back after every kill, so as long as you're killing a person every 30 seconds you're getting it back. Absolutely CLAPS in 6v6. But obviously not too useful in Trials. Also forces you to use Burning Maul which is a bit of a downside.
Tell me you’ve seen my Ashen vid!!!
Very high quality for such a new channel. Subbed ♥️
Thanks!
I haven't taken my ac feedback fence off since year 1 d1
me too bro. Do you use hammer strike + feedback fence? lol
Mate really great video, informative and to the point, earned a sub, looking forward too a Warlock and Hunter tier list if they are coming.
Thanks! Hunter some day. Warlock maaaaybe some day haha!
What an amazing video! Heard abt you from patty and had to check you out, keep it up dude your sick!
Thanks Walker that means a lot!
I actually needed this. Its a sign that Castle is divine, yesssirrr!
wow, great content - exactly what i needed
Glad you found it helpful!
I am glad the gave code of the missile some love since it doesn't see much play in PvE. I wonder when Sentinel might get a new exotic that might change it or buff it
Love this video! Thank you Castle.
I know you’re a titan main, but could you create one of these for Hunter/warlock or recommend someone that might have done that?
I’m definitely going to start playing on the others now that I got this beast done. In the meantime though Patty did one for hunter a long time ago and Apa did one for warlock.
My hunter clan mate always gushes over Phoenix cradles.
Mainly because that sun warrior buff also effects their supers, extending them. But the moments they actually can get this combo off is so rare it’s not even worth the effort.
Doom fang Monty carlo with shield shoulder charge is my favorite
I've mained HoIL since Beyond Light, but the Dead Man's Tale catalyst with Lion Rampants is actually really good. Not just a meme like a lot of other AC-130 builds (Jotunn, Sweet Business, Skyburner's, etc.), but they're actually good with the DMT catalyst. 100% in-air hip-fire accuracy.
Oh I fully agree
For helm of saint 14 the melee mode will only blind if you activate your block while the enemy is right next to you, blocking and then walking into them won’t blind
I love Antaeus wards. My entire triple 100 build is around them in strength, recovery, and intellect. That being said they make me play way dumber sometimes. If I hear the enemy team pop a golden gun, I will instinctively throw the match just to try and reflect. It’s really a problem. But they’re so much fun I can’t part with them.
😂 I feel this
Very informative - and a bit old at the moment compared to recent exotic balance changes - but I 100% disagree with Hallowfire Heart going to C. Even you have said repeatedly that D2 is often an ability spamfest and here, you are illustrating exactly why it should be placed higher.
(In my opinion I think D1 exotics were a lot better for being exotics not feeling like I'm use garbage to defend my guardian from damage)
Great, informative, and well delivered. Liked and subbed
Thanks Austin!
Castle Content you bet man
A note on the phoenix cradle exotic and sunspot titan in general. You can actually get a sunspot by killing yourself! Did that one time in PvP and got like 2 kills.
Great review
Synthocepts on stasis allow you to consistently double melee before they fly away with shiver strike. Ursa also works on all sentinel supers.
You can double melee before they fly without syntho
@@hentaikai312 it’s far more consistent with synthocepts.
Loving the content
FYI Khepri's Horn solar wave after going out to the full length comes back and can hit twice totaling 200 damage.
Sentinel shield blinding with Helm of Saint 14 at least works in PVE - enemies do the same flinching animation as when hit by a blinding grenade launcher if you walk into them while blocking.
14:40 now that you mention it, i have been killing people with melee this way and going like what that shouldn’t have killed them. Interesting
In my honest opinion Mask of Quiet One should be buffed to also begin shield regeneration when you get a kill while critically wounded on top of the health restore.
Would it be OP? Maybe or maybe not. Would it be any different than having 10 recovery?
I would LOVE that
Umm excuse you Castle. Cuirass of the Falling Star “technically” (probably a bug) does work on Stasis. Idk about the extra damage but it gives you a short overshield after getting out of the behemoth super, and I saw CoolGuy use it in Trials of Osiris.
Great tierlist overall! Severance is higher than I expected and Doom Fang Pauldrons are lower than I expected.
I’ll update my pinned comment thank you!
Thx to this I'm subbed now
Hey Castle, I noticed that the top three S tier titan exotics are the ones that I enjoy the most on behemoth. Would you be able to make some builds, particularly for heart of inmost on stasis (my favorite).
You have probably made a video about this already, but there are new fragments like (forgot the name) which gives you grenade energy after taking damage, and after some testing it definitely works in crucible. Also, whisper of chains (resistance around friendly crystals) could be viable in crucible as a way to tank shotgun rushers/create destroyable cover with the glacier grenade. The new aspect (howl of the something) creates crystals as well, and is only really useful in tight spaces like buildings as there are many stompees hunters that never stay on the ground.
I’m curious to see what you come up with. I have been experimenting a bit, and I think maybe whisper of chains and a fusion with max discipline armor + HOIL could be interesting. Or maybe you could somehow spec into getting the behemoth melee back instantly, which has HUGE crucible potential.
Also do you have any insight as to how bungie might nerf behemoth, and how to “future proof” the build?
Idk just some ideas, love your vids. Keep it up man!
Thx for the ideas! I’ll add it to my list but lots on the go so I don’t wanna make a promise I may not keep. Thx again dude.
Coolguy mentioned this on firing line I believe, but Cuirass should be higher for stasis because the base damage shield shows up regardless of super. So, Behemoths can get beefier...
As a titan main the only places I personally use war rig is oracles and for funzies on gatekeeper
Great video!
Thx!
Stand asides also work with middle tree striker.
Love the vid and agree with basically everything. Just one thing, it's a magazine not a clip.
Ashen wake make speed throw grenade and also if you punch at match PVP you only can hit two times if your upgrade it at the end.
Severance enclosure is by far my favourite Titan exotic simply because with middle tree sunbreaker i once took down the entire enemy team of six people with three hammers back to back.
also it's real good in PVE because it turns your melee into a grenade you can pick back up
About the wormgods not 1 hitting on the second stack if you run middle tree striker it has a passive melee buff that if you get it with a melee kill that combines with wormgods gives you 7m range one shot punches
For doom fang pauldron you forgot that bottom tree shield throws gives you super energy back extending your super for longer
Yes touché
Ashen Wake underrated and can allow for some of the best neutral gameplay of a titan witb middle tree. Hammer and nade combos are insanely powerful and easy now with hammer magnetism. At least A tier