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  • @hukkaera1439
    @hukkaera1439 2 роки тому +338

    Interesting, but certainly won't change my playstyle. I need all the bagspace even if it slows me down to a crawl.

    • @Retanaru
      @Retanaru  2 роки тому +78

      Gotta suck up all the loot somehow.

    • @llMavenll
      @llMavenll 2 роки тому +40

      Yes yes never know when that 2nd ✏️ could come in handy

    • @TheOppaiLord
      @TheOppaiLord 2 роки тому +9

      @@llMavenll you never know when you might have to john wick a zombie when your other weapons break / run out of ammo.

    • @worldhello1234
      @worldhello1234 2 роки тому +1

      If it slows you down to a crawl, you are toast in worst case scenario. Smart item management is key.

    • @TheKueiJin
      @TheKueiJin Рік тому +4

      ​@@llMavenll not as much as that 5th eraser

  • @LittleFlame23
    @LittleFlame23 2 роки тому +438

    Duffelbags/hiking bags are aesthetic kings but Large backpacks just have so much space man. I remember them talking about giving different bags different properties to give reason to not have the biggest bag all the time but jury's out on that one

    • @Retanaru
      @Retanaru  2 роки тому +122

      I would totally accept if some of the smaller bags had a reason to be used.

    • @LittleFlame23
      @LittleFlame23 2 роки тому +65

      if they added the run speed and combat speed modifiers to the backpacks I would absolutely love that
      I mean sure most the community would immediately mod that back out but it's just a bit of a shame it comes down to flat upgrades when it comes to backpacks

    • @eleSDSU
      @eleSDSU 2 роки тому +30

      "Duffelbags/hiking bags are aesthetic kings" *what?* he replied with a confused look on his face and a Trauma bag on his back.

    • @LittleFlame23
      @LittleFlame23 2 роки тому +3

      Just talking about vanilla items

    • @dwarf9938
      @dwarf9938 2 роки тому +8

      @@LittleFlame23 trauma bags are vanilla

  • @Vyleea
    @Vyleea 2 роки тому +198

    So cloths that should slow you down according to the description do nothing, but backpacks that don't have the description do. Nice~

    • @Locurafia
      @Locurafia 2 роки тому +15

      PZ logic

    • @gridokrido4044
      @gridokrido4044 2 роки тому +1

      I guess clothes u wear effect the swing speed while using melee weapon

  • @exorikk
    @exorikk 2 роки тому +3

    "PZ science" is my favorite sub category of videos.

  • @MickyanCPC
    @MickyanCPC 2 роки тому +36

    In debug mode you can do right click -> UIs -> Running UI to see all the speed variables and test speed, much easier to see the result of changing equipment this way. It even lists clothing modifiers despite them being all disabled except for going barefoot

    • @Retanaru
      @Retanaru  2 роки тому +19

      I didn't want to show that because as you stated, it shows some modifiers that are disabled.

  • @Brigand231
    @Brigand231 2 роки тому +17

    The problem with wikis for early access games and games in development is they get outdated or outright invalidated quickly/often. It's crazy how many people act like they would reliably stake their lives on the accuracy of a wiki.

  • @Keragom
    @Keragom 2 роки тому +29

    Great video man! Clears up some unlcear information but atleast my feeling about bags slowing me was correct.
    I went ahead and deleted "For bags equipped in the player's hand, the fuller the bag is, the greater the decrease in movement speed" from the wiki too.
    Thanks for the contribution!

  • @ryanconnolly1950
    @ryanconnolly1950 2 роки тому +16

    I really do enjoy learning how one of my most played games actually works or "ticks" but honestly, my favorite times playing this game were the items I was cluelessly washing my character because I thought zombies could smell me, and shutting down all the curtains at night thinking they could "see" me (we know now it's an audio cue for lights with nighttime.).
    Don't even get me started on my first heli event. Ran towards it thinking it could help me LOL in the literal middle of an uncleared Rosewood. Didn't die but the adrenaline rush of thinking it was a good idea to leave my base and get help from the heli - and then slowly realizing I was being hunted by the whole town now and had to run; was awesome.

    • @buttersofi
      @buttersofi 2 роки тому

      Wait what do you mean that zombies can't see you with curtains open on night

    • @ryanconnolly1950
      @ryanconnolly1950 2 роки тому

      @@buttersofi they can; so definitely keep them closed at night dont get me wrong (day too). its when you flip a lightswitch thats a neat hidden game mechanic. they dont "see" the lightswitch going off/on, rather, every noise you can possibly make in PZ has a noise radious ( running, walking, sneaking, yelling, whispering ect) so does lightswitch flipping. lightswitch flipping has a rather large rafious actually to mimic z "seeing" the lights go on / off, whether the curtains are drawn or not. this may change soon anyway with the dynamic lighting update, but its an immersion mechanic hidden into the game

    • @ryanconnolly1950
      @ryanconnolly1950 2 роки тому

      tl dr; dont mess with the lightswitch if you aint ready for z on the lawn to potentially "hear" it

    • @buttersofi
      @buttersofi 2 роки тому +1

      @@ryanconnolly1950 oh wow, this game keeps impressing me more and more. Would you happen to have any other tips? The wiki is surprisingly shallow

    • @ryanconnolly1950
      @ryanconnolly1950 2 роки тому

      @@buttersofi lol best tip is when bored, try new maps, have a set immersion goal (aka spawn as a police officer and clear Police stations or have a destination in mind) or try multi

  • @linusius_irenaeus0520
    @linusius_irenaeus0520 2 роки тому +1

    But you can't stop me from hoarding duffelbags.

  • @oztinc
    @oztinc 2 роки тому +2

    I remember being surprised how many people answered no in your poll.

  • @BelovedMonstrosity
    @BelovedMonstrosity 2 роки тому +5

    I wish backpacks had more variety. I use a mod that grants me access to belts or waistbags which typically hold my medical supplies and tools. I almost never use the main backpack because I'm married to the Dextrous trait, and transferring directly from the inventory is much faster than transferring out of a backpack first. I still carry one around though because it feels "complete" - knowing now that it doesn't even really affect my speed I guess I can keep doing it.
    I really want some kind of rigging backpack that can only hold large objects I.E furniture, and has a capacity of like 40kg, with a 50% weight reduction. Let me move that fridge or washing machine without hassle, without also letting me carry an entire supermarket in the same backpack.
    Hopefully one day backpacks and such get expanded on, anyway. Thanks for the video.

  • @pandapruitt2542
    @pandapruitt2542 2 роки тому +65

    Yeah I actually looked this over recently, honestly I wish the lesser bags (like the sachel) were actually somewhat useful by day 9 like...fr you are almost garunteed a school bag by that point unless you are just sitting in the woods so a satchel is just pointless...needs a buff imo

    • @snakeknight2017
      @snakeknight2017 2 роки тому +17

      You should try mod that lets you wear a satchel along with backpack, makes satchel a handy bag for items you need find quick

    • @pandapruitt2542
      @pandapruitt2542 2 роки тому +1

      @@snakeknight2017 that could be neat but only handy on strong characters I imagine

    • @aldvier
      @aldvier 2 роки тому

      I like to keep my map and paper work in satchel. Also some writing tools. I don't have to worry much when I have to go through all my item list on one bag.

    • @The_Custos
      @The_Custos 2 роки тому

      I like the satchel. Good for a nice light load out.

    • @mrlegodude96alt2
      @mrlegodude96alt2 2 роки тому +1

      @@pandapruitt2542 I use it to keep my i NEED these items items and if I get in a spot where I need to move really fast I can just dump the bigger bag and come back later

  • @f07x99
    @f07x99 2 роки тому +20

    I think it's realistic, any of you try running in a backpack even just half full? Without the frame the sloshing of the bag back and forth really makes it feel clunky to run

    • @Chordgaille
      @Chordgaille Рік тому

      That's why backpacks come with clips brother, lol

  • @bbninc287
    @bbninc287 2 роки тому

    Really appreciate the non-click bait video title. Good stuff

  • @戦う
    @戦う 2 роки тому +2

    i don’t even play the game much, i just enjoy the videos tbh

  • @GamingGranny56
    @GamingGranny56 2 роки тому +1

    I still do not like to drop anything. But sometimes it is necessary. Great info!🙃

  • @da_leen
    @da_leen 2 роки тому +42

    I'm curious if when equipping one or two fanny packs if your speed is decreased even more when also equipping a bag.
    For the duffel mystery, could it be your shoes? I noticed that you're wearing two different outfits and in the latter you have Rain Boots on which slows your speed slightly.

    • @Retanaru
      @Retanaru  2 роки тому +24

      The movement speed modifiers on the shoes are turned off, but even so I went back and tested everything on the same character because I thought they might have changed that.

    • @lQuadXl
      @lQuadXl 2 роки тому

      I'm also wondering how much fanny packs slow speed..

    • @da_leen
      @da_leen 2 роки тому +6

      @@Retanaru UA-cam isn't liking me linking out to a spreadsheet. Ran some calculations - there is a sort of breaking point (within 1%) for the bags tested at Sprinting skill level 2.
      docs * google * com/spreadsheets/d/1aoil4rCNDVuVLQ9NqSfSej_UQ07Oc1MxrhFvVGDp_DI

    • @butifarras
      @butifarras 2 роки тому

      @@Retanaru only in shows? What about the rest of the clothing? Maybe you can also test the combat Speed modifiers?

    • @stanlee2738
      @stanlee2738 2 роки тому +1

      @@butifarras The devs hv said specifically tht the speed modifiers for all clothes are turned off due to them not allowing players to sprint or maybe run in the tutorial, the devs said they will b turned on again at some point but not now. The combat speed modifiers are turned on but in my opinion I don't see them being that big of a deal since it's only a small percentage for the clothes I have seen anyway

  • @torimaritime6955
    @torimaritime6955 2 роки тому +4

    Personally, I like to go with a satchel if I can. The lower space reminds me that I shouldn't be greedy, because that's always how I make mistakes.

  • @Kelemeth
    @Kelemeth 2 роки тому

    Ah ok, good to know, thanks thumbnail and title.
    ...
    ...*play video*

  • @2ndbrain909
    @2ndbrain909 2 роки тому +5

    Am I the only one that thinks the vertical walk thing is actually realistic?
    Because I swear some of y’all don’t know how to walk straight lol.

    • @Retanaru
      @Retanaru  2 роки тому +1

      The only reason I noticed it is I thought my game was stuttering, but really the character was glitching to the side.

  • @DerKropa
    @DerKropa 2 роки тому +12

    It's true that it's not enough. I wish heavy and hard clothes (like jeans and firefighter pants and jacket) also slowed you down to make lighter "builds" more profitable. I feel kinda bored of how easy it is to just wear a lot and carry a lot of weapons to kill half of Muldraugh, instead of thinking of ways to draw hordes away from POIs.

    • @kevion5595
      @kevion5595 2 роки тому

      Make 1/5 of zombies, sprinters with a mod

    • @stanlee2738
      @stanlee2738 2 роки тому +1

      Yh fast shamblers can just b such a pushover in tht regard, only really dangerous when sneaking up on you or when you're really exhausted (and/or v. tired i guess) which all don't matter as much bcs you're not going to b slowed down as much and you're preparing urslef to make a killzone for the zeds. Stealth has been a more underdeveloped and an afterthought in this game unfortunately.

    • @eduardotrillaud696
      @eduardotrillaud696 2 роки тому +1

      Afaik heavy clothes indeed slow you down. And certainly there's no way to carry/use enough weapons to kill nowhere near as half Muldraugh Z population in one run. Unless you wanna risk getting a nasty bite or playing russian roulette with the infection chance of laceration, it will always be better to look for POIs and taking time to dilligently clear zones, either by killing or pulling the idiots out. As regards looting the shops in the highway at Muldraugh, what I've been doing right now is: going to a relatively far place and fire a couple of shotgun shells and then get away sneaking while I can, or simply herding the zombies into the woods to again flee by sneak-running, which anyway will give me enough time to clear a couple of shops until the idiots are progressively again in the zone (as long as they come sporadically, I might try to take out as much as I can while they are alone or in groups of no more than 3 or 4).

  • @bmxdude1337
    @bmxdude1337 2 роки тому

    Bag science, love it

  • @rictuserectus6686
    @rictuserectus6686 2 роки тому +3

    I’m relatively new to the game and have never seen a sprinting zombie. Needless to say, I will never play with them now that I’ve seen them. That looks absolutely horrifying.

    • @robstarchives
      @robstarchives 2 роки тому +1

      when you see 3 fast shambler (default speed) zombies in an open space, you can pretty confidently take them out if you're in good shape with a decent weapon.
      If you see 3 sprinters though you FUCKING PANIC

    • @capitalismsucks9590
      @capitalismsucks9590 2 роки тому +5

      It’s because the game isn’t really meant for sprinters. The mechanics make it hard.

    • @drumlessons833
      @drumlessons833 2 роки тому

      @@capitalismsucks9590 I wish they'd add more dynamic options for them. On/off isn't enough. 1% sprinters would be fun I think.

    • @drumlessons833
      @drumlessons833 2 роки тому

      @uNnHkP8mza It's a great mod

    • @knightshousegames
      @knightshousegames Рік тому

      I saw a dev video a while back which shows the Sprinters with new unique sound effects
      It took an already scary style of play and made it even more terrifying.

  • @jahzzy
    @jahzzy Рік тому

    I believe the diagonal / unstraight movement is due to your mouse cursor. You can replicate this with the combat stance as well.

  • @rayn3245
    @rayn3245 2 роки тому +4

    Hey, Retanaru, do you happen to know the percent chance of corpses becoming fake dead in the new update? One of them scared the absolute crap out of me yesterday

    • @bmxdude1337
      @bmxdude1337 2 роки тому +1

      Wait....wot...and here I thought window jump scares were too much

    • @Retanaru
      @Retanaru  2 роки тому +4

      I have been told its a 1% chance per stage of decay but haven't bothered checking for myself yet.

  • @ephemispriest8069
    @ephemispriest8069 Рік тому

    I recently dropped fannypacks from my guy's loadout. I had used them to store meds and small tools to keep my backpack less cluttered, but the increased weight kept nagging me. I wonder if they effect you at all on speed.

  • @akiamini4006
    @akiamini4006 2 роки тому

    God dayum ! Amazing tips bro ! I think tho the last point is important in other aspect that you get exerted faster with a heavier load on you . Can you test that out please?

  • @TheGamerUnknown
    @TheGamerUnknown 2 роки тому +1

    This was nice, but could you put the info into some kind of table? Would make it much easier to read! :)

  • @gossamera4665
    @gossamera4665 2 роки тому +2

    All I have in my irl duffelbag are like t-shirts and socks and yet it weighs a million kgs, someone explain that to me, please patch.

    • @Retanaru
      @Retanaru  2 роки тому +1

      I always thought duffel bags were super cool because you see them in heist movies all the time. Those things suck compared to a good back pack.

    • @gossamera4665
      @gossamera4665 2 роки тому +1

      @@Retanaru Yeah mine has broken the shoulder strap a few times, the weight isn't distributed properly. But backpacks kinda suck too, since you either just use one shoulder strap and drop it every time you bow down, or you use both and can't get the damn thing off afterwards.

  • @kinkajuu1
    @kinkajuu1 2 роки тому

    Hi ret, I'd love a deep dive into all movement speed effects, even niche scenarios. Could be interesting.

  • @curtisalanmcgee
    @curtisalanmcgee 2 роки тому

    Fascinating

  • @jurakarok3343
    @jurakarok3343 2 роки тому

    What about carrying bags in all the slots, left & right hand, back, and front & back fanny pack.

  • @harkness9723
    @harkness9723 2 роки тому

    People who update the wiki: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!

    • @Arachanoid98
      @Arachanoid98 2 роки тому

      Implies the wiki actually gets updated lol

  • @rimanpele
    @rimanpele 2 роки тому

    thats cool to know, while fighting you get a massive slow debuff so stacking even more with bags is pretty bad.
    maybe droping your bag before it is the way to go

  • @purple8021
    @purple8021 2 роки тому

    Hey, I'm a hoarder, those bags help me a lot

  • @BamFourThousand
    @BamFourThousand 2 роки тому

    Bags slow me down in real life too. So its realistic.

  • @matthewr1207
    @matthewr1207 2 роки тому +1

    Why am I queasy?

  • @akmrar
    @akmrar 2 роки тому

    thx for testing

  • @SotiCoto
    @SotiCoto Рік тому

    So does that mean the Military Backpack has literally no downsides over the other bags? Or didn't you test that one?

  • @gamingmaster6377
    @gamingmaster6377 2 роки тому

    to the dummies saying that lower space backpacks should be buffed...
    damn, we should buff the butter knife, it's pretty underpowered! I would like for it to have an use in mid game/late game

  • @grease_monkey6078
    @grease_monkey6078 2 роки тому +1

    Real question. who would play with sprinting zombies? are you nuts?

  • @MrHocotateFreight
    @MrHocotateFreight Рік тому

    Do they slow you down? Yes. Are you able to hold more than 11lbs without it, less you incur the wrath of the held weight system? Also yes.
    Decide on your getup on the way out the saferoom door: am I looking or looting today? Is this a "clear out the hordes" run, where storage space isn't as necessary?
    Also, I've managed to make a water bottle full of gasoline, but trying to add a fabric piece ripped from zombie clothes yields no results. Am I doing it wrong?

  • @perteks7639
    @perteks7639 2 роки тому +1

    It wasnt myth that more full bags slows you down it was literally in pathnotes so, spaghetti code at finest

    • @Retanaru
      @Retanaru  2 роки тому +1

      Devs can make myths even if its accidental. There's a lot of funny patch notes like that.

    • @perteks7639
      @perteks7639 2 роки тому

      @@Retanaru Yeah "fixed x" especially :D

  • @TheLordbal
    @TheLordbal 2 роки тому +1

    I keep a duffle bag in my duffle bag

    • @jbkibs
      @jbkibs 2 роки тому +1

      i do too. 1 hand weapon and extra duffel bag... get all the loot. :P

    • @InternetHydra
      @InternetHydra Рік тому

      I keep a big hiking bag in my school bag. Helps manage what I always carry on me with my usual poor fitness, but there's always the option of impromptu hauling.

  • @ArbitrageLucasPeet
    @ArbitrageLucasPeet 2 роки тому

    Run and jog are different from sprint?😐

  • @decoy3418
    @decoy3418 Рік тому

    Im severely over encumbered but I gotta LOOOOOT!!!!
    I'M LOOTING THIS ENTIRE TOWN EVEN IF I BREAK MY SPINE CARRYING IT ALL!!!!

  • @zackfoster3208
    @zackfoster3208 2 роки тому

    that kinda sounds like the stuff on your body actually equipped is what slows you down but then again weight in itself doesn't... anyways ill just keep on killing any zombie I see anyways :D

  • @theblitz1687
    @theblitz1687 2 роки тому

    Backpacks shouldnt provide the same weight reduction while holding them in your hands. It breaks the immersion imo.

  • @grub2928
    @grub2928 2 роки тому +3

    Grub

  • @quineloe
    @quineloe 2 роки тому

    shouldn't run speed modifiers be displayed somewhere in the code?

    • @Retanaru
      @Retanaru  2 роки тому

      They are, but I never trust just reading the code as sometimes you can read it wrong/bugged/turned off elsewhere.

  • @hnskyo9251
    @hnskyo9251 2 роки тому

    anyone has an spreadsheet of this?

  • @loveluclins
    @loveluclins 2 роки тому

    The wiki has a lot of weird & unclear info.

  • @bendixtrinity
    @bendixtrinity 2 роки тому

    what slows you down is getting DC every 5 minutes from linux server. 🤣

  • @velya-_-885
    @velya-_-885 2 роки тому

    bro, how bad is slow healer?

    • @drumlessons833
      @drumlessons833 2 роки тому

      It's really really good. You still heal pretty quickly, and because of how the game incentivizes you not to get hit by zombies, you're usually not getting injured. Everyone should use it.

    • @velya-_-885
      @velya-_-885 2 роки тому

      @@drumlessons833 what about thin and thick skinned?

    • @drumlessons833
      @drumlessons833 2 роки тому

      @@velya-_-885 Thin-Skinned follows the same logic as Slow Healer. Since getting injured often ends in death, it's best to treat it like a zero-sum game and avoid injuries all together (at least zombie injuries, but non-zombie injuries are easy to avoid).
      So while new players might get the short end of Thin-Skinned, in general it's a great trait, and the points you get from it are more valuable than the drawback it gives.

    • @drumlessons833
      @drumlessons833 2 роки тому

      @@velya-_-885 In case it helps, here are my traits for most builds I run:
      _Negative Must-Haves:_ Conspicuous, High Thirst, Prone to Illness, Smoker, Slow Healer, Slow Reader, Thin-Skinned, Weak Stomach
      _Negative Optionals:_ Clumsy,
      _Bad Negatives That I Use:_ Hemophobic
      _Positive Must-Haves:_ Strong, Athletic, Fast Learner,
      _Positive Optionals/Build Dependent:_ Handy, Brawler, Baseball Player, Keen Hearing, Dextrous, Cat's Eyes,

    • @gamingmaster6377
      @gamingmaster6377 2 роки тому

      @@drumlessons833 hemophobic is bad? how so? The only 2 noticeable things are getting a bit stressed while doing first aid on yourself (which is like 12 seconds) and being unable to heal others. Free +5 points

  • @mannyc.4990
    @mannyc.4990 2 роки тому +2

    I like this game but the way devs nerf “op” items starting to get annoying. Same thing has been happening with 7dtd too
    Large/Military backpack already is rare and is the heaviest. That’s the only balance it needs. You start to game with iron sword (schoolbag) eventually get steel (duffle) and you don’t need the iron sword anymore. That’s just progression.
    Stuff like boots slowing you down is cool becuase it’s realistic but how does wearing empty backpack (or holding it) slowing you down makes any sense? There are better way of making the game challenging instead of just nerfing items that doesn’t need it
    Unlike making the same mistake 7dtd devs did (and still do) and losing 2 years going back and forth with the players why not fix issues that actually matter like fire spread or add stuff that would make the game challenging in a way it make sense

    • @Retanaru
      @Retanaru  2 роки тому

      They recently added more places for the military bags to spawn (much more accessible). The two checkpoints going from riverside to the unfinished side of the map can spawn military zombies

    • @drumlessons833
      @drumlessons833 2 роки тому +1

      @@Retanaru You just gave me something to do in my game. Maybe that could be a new video topic: rare items players want and where to find them
      military backpacks, sledgehammers, machetes, canned beans...

  • @bare_bear_hands
    @bare_bear_hands 2 роки тому

    The wiki needs a lot more active attention and number-crunching.
    Hey, what about the speed penalties of clothes and the Well-Fitted perk (More Traits)? Is the perk worth it or, as I should think, too marginal of a difference?

  • @torenico
    @torenico 2 роки тому

    Will you make a video on the mechanics behind the player (and his/her clothing) getting dirty? At least to know what makes the player dirtier, time? actions? weather?
    Because I'm just sitting in my house doing nothing but reading books while there's rain outside and my character clothes get dirty from nothing!
    Cheers

  • @qwertyram4598
    @qwertyram4598 2 роки тому

    As I said before, the bags do slow you down, but only if they're full of loot