Ugh I watch youtube videos to unwind, everybody makes content that's stressful on purpose, god it's like youtubers go to a therapist to figure out the news is bad for you, then go "Ya I'm gonna do that, sounds good"
OK since you guys are younger than me, I'm gonna guess these youtubers are the people that are gonna find out the hard way the way they think causes panic attacks
The "I'm a turkey kill me" thing the red bot farm said was from people (though i dont really remember others doing this as much as me) using a emote that turned you into a turkey that then stalled damage until it ended allowing people to get huge stacks of numbers at the end. I did this alot in clanwars safe portal, (I liked seeing big numbers). Honestly didn't think anyone really remembered that I think it was during rs2ish Easter event that the emote came from
Back before Jacmob created the ML detector for RS3, bots were out of control. This was to allow for a ton of data collection. I think this is what is happening.
It's true, I saw a lot of bots at the Seers Village bank while I was cutting logs there and spent hours talking to them, and they responded too! They cracked jokes, responded in a legible way and even asked me follow up questions, this went on for hours. Amazing what bot programs can do today. Almost like they were real people.
@@heccers woosh woosh woosh lolololol Please tell me what I didn't notice. Do you even speak English? What I wrote is correct, and OP is not. Jamflex constantly lets us down. Forestry nerfs and no bonus xp for a week, no bot detection, false bans. Absolute L game.
I don't think the hiding should help the bot stay undetected, I don't think J-mods are hunting alchers around the map, and manually checking if they're autoclicking or not. Why wouldn't you just alch in an instance to stay fully hidden then?
@@tetee6789 Instances are logged server-side by who is accessing the instance because each new instance needs to be spawned in the game itself. I'm sure there's more data that is tracked, like click rate, xp gained, that sort of thing - which would be pretty simple to spot a bot that gained 1m magic xp in an instance.
To be completely honest, The board of shareholders for Jagex know very well that ridding the game of bots would lower their bottom line by a considerable amount. It would be Naive to think the company has any real interest in working towards a "Bot-Free" RuneScape.
@@IAmTheGoblinwhat do you think shaped the economics in the game lol. Prices are only the way they are because of bots. RuneScape was better before the GE
I mean, with Mod Trident being recently fired, the anti-cheating team at Jagex is probably in absolute chaos atm. I've been thinking that for awhile but I thought people would say something about that since the investigation concurred with all the bot abusing. Took longer than I expected for people to connect the dots.
We know Jagex let bots roam around but they definitely disabled all if not most of their detection system metrics due to "false bans" which were again, a lot of botters mass complaining to make it appear worse. Like with any update in a software industry, you have to rollback and/or disable a feature if there appear to be bug(s), especially if its "false bans" and the staff has to manually review each case...don't know how long it will take for them to enable it again.
a friend of mine got falls banned while woodcutting, took him 5 days and his friend to bitch about it on Reddit to finally get unbanned. meanwhile a streamer gets banned and is unbanned within the day.
I’ve been false banned on legitimate throwaway accounts several times over the years. Luckily they weren’t of too much value, but it’s still annoying to invest time in them and have them wiped out for no reason. Meanwhile so many real bots go undetected with really high stats.
TIN FOIL HAT CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME! So I think that after that wave of false bot detections, Jagex took down their bot detection system to fix some bug(s) that were causing it and didn't want to publicly announce it until it was fixed because they were worried bots would run (even more) rampant but it's taking too long and bots are figuring out there are no consequences to botting.
as someone else commented; theyre likely gathering a bunch of data just like before the bot nuke in RS3 to drop a massive new bot detection system - the bots were rampant in RS3 right before bot nuke hit as well so we will have to wait and see
Yeah the bot algorythym is still going they just training it to be more accurate . That is why they are collecting data on every move the bots make now
@@koenwijnen8278 You are calling people delusional, but you aren't providing counter arguments. Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't mean you are right. Facts don't change depending on your opinion, in fact it is this poor standard of reasoning that leads to most of humanities problems. Nobody here has sufficient evidence to reach a conclusion, some may have more evidence than others, but that's all. The only intellectually honest statement anyone can make on this subject is "we don't know."
Jagex updated the forestry rewards to only be given if you were there when it spawned. I ran to the bank and back to participate in an event and I got no rewards, likely why the bots stopped.
It’s sad that because of their bottom lines these problems will never get fixed. It’s financially counter intuitive, also makes the game look way more active to new people. Drives me insane, no idea how long it can go/how bad it can get. It’s only getting worse with bots being better at end game content/PVP as well
People will stop playing if the bots get out of control, it's all fun and games until we start seeing tbows for 10m. Also, if the bot population exceeds the player population it actually won't be economically viable to bot the game anymore.
@@Nick-ij5nt sorry to break the news the bots have all ways out numbered the players, pre EOC 130k players, after EOC 30k+ players and the number only went up about 1 month after when the bots were back up and running.
@@Muddy.Teabaggerbefore runelite there were popular clients similar to runelite today. These were also botting clients tho so when the bot nuke dropped, everyone using the client got banned. I got a temp ban on my main for just using the client but not running any scripts. This could credit why it was so low but there was also a massive amount of bots at the time. The most I’ve ever seen in the game.
@@stevegoldstein3402 yep I did the same with one of my accounts, and I used swiftkits, but no matter if you use a script or not we used the client so we're both know we botted and don't forget they didn't ban people for 1 year before the nuke only rwt and broken bots were banned all the rest were left till the nuke day
As a co owner of the forestry friends chat in world 445 seers. I can confirm that it was THOUSANDSSS of bots flooding in every time there was roots that showed up in our world. It’s been about 4 days now since last seeing the farm. I think they are finally gone. It feels so much better
@@TheUhmmmmmmmm Probably only gone cause of the prices crashing for everything lol. I just got done see a pretty good size bot farm running astral runes in full robes of the eye. With all them having lvl 100 + rc lol
@@TeeeWal I was saying there was almost 100k people online during the middle of the night, so in other words they aren't gone XD. Yes the over 99 bots are kind of ridiculous, I often get "is already on your ignore" too when I go around reporting in Prif. Feelsbadman.
im the owner of the forestry friends chat in world 445 seers. i can confirm that it was thousands of bots flooding in everytime there was roots that showeed yp in our world. its been about 4 days now since last seeing hte farm,
I saw a bot trying to mine amethyst for 5-6 hours the other day while i was watching shows afk’ing and it was failing to realize you need the elite Fally diaries done for that specific area 1st so it kept trying to run in and got stopped everytime 😂
Yeah I give up on the forestry event because I'd be off doing it by myself and as soon as an event would happen all of a sudden my world would get swarmed and the thing would be gone in no time
So rhe anti-chest moderator was recently fired for corruption and people are wondering why the bot problem is getting worse. Is it possible that he decided to double down and take an offer from a large script maker to tell the interworkings of auto detection. Its not like hes got much to lose at this point.
There are always bots at kurasks. They wear veracs skiet/brassard, leaf bladed baxe, glory, slayer helm and d boots. Often with a mirror shield but sometimes without
I'm going to be honest: I think when we have 100k concurrent players online, atleast 70% of them at this point are bots. F2P is completely riddled with bots, P2P atleast half of the people on a world are botting. It seems like chinese goldsellers seem to invade the OSRS servers now too.... they were on Lost Ark for a while last year, because they made mad profits from people RMTing. Now that this game has dropped off, weirdly enough bot activity in OSRS increased significantly. Just on a day botting in the western Lost Ark version, chinese companies made millions of dollars a day. 60-70% fo the total concurrent playerbase were only bots.
and real players simply quit if an activity is not worth doing anymore or become ironman, which will make runescape only a single player game, it's not a good single player game either
It’s sad they added unnecessary restrictions like 150 total to enter friends chat and 100 total / 10 QP / 20 hours in game for unrestricted trade. Ostensibly it was supposed to slow down botting, but really it only hurts legit players when they make new accounts, kills low level F2P PKing especially in multi, and it doesn’t even stop the bots; evidenced by the huge amount of bots that rank at the top of boss KC or have lots of post-99 xp (like Hunter bots). Plus bots can easily meet the requirements meant to stop them in the first place.
that's why they're purposefully low. a new player isn't going to use the GE within 20 hours or getting 100 total/10QP, they start the game and are confused on what to do. but all of this is a facade regardless. Jagex doesn't want to get rid of every single bot, it's a conflict of interest when a huge portion of the active playerbase are botters, which means that it keeps actual players engaged due to common resources being dirt cheap. people always say "well, if botters were gone the common resource will go up in price, meaning you can make more money" but meanwhile this happens to everything, so you pay more while earning more, not really the compensation people expect. and at some point that resource might even dry up due to the volume required to do a specific activity, which will lead to supply vs demand issues. imagine 1 piece of coal going for 3-5k each, why? because mlm bots aren't a thing anymore. sure you can make 3-5k each with 1 piece of coal by doing it yourself, but this would apply to everything that's bottable, which nowadays is limitless, you got actual boss bot farms now, even raid bot farms. everything would increase in price by a lot.
Yeah and another thing is with all those requirements that have different activities, when a bot does different activities, it also fools the existing detection system, so having those restrictions only takes care of the noobiest of botters at best.
@@DarkDyllon this has never been the case in runescape at any point in the game's history. Things increasing a lot is good for players and rewarding doing them.
saw a bot running to vorkath and it had 50k vorkath kc, its like jagex isnt even pretending to try anymore lmao, im actually willing to bet that there are jagex mods that are botting themselves for money.
came back to play rs07 a few days ago on my main when the economy is at its worst lol, still doesn't put me off from playing but 8m for a bond is also CRAZY
Jagex probably makes more money from bond purchases then direct members. As long as mass bot farms want to buy bonds in large quantities, people will keep purchasing and selling them in GE
i wandered past that zammy robe tanning bot farm once, i was so baffled at how many accounts are able to be botted like that and none of them being banned for how long they were there
I mean i have seen less bots but i’ve seen more scammers. In fact, me and some in game friends have reported a scammer that has been standing at world 302 ”doubling”/scamming people literally daily, it’s been weeks now and it doesn’t get muted, banned or anything. There’s literally no consequenses for scammers and it turns gullable noobs away from the game, seeing people literally quit every day because of this apparently unpunishable behavior
Plus you can take a look at the big names that have been false banned over the years (but they luckily had the status / connections to get it overturned. The average player won’t). Lynx Titan, Ronan/Gudi, EVScape, Solo Mission, and Odablock was the victim of targeted bans. It’s a garbage system that punishes real players and lets real bots get away with it.
Half of these bans were legit bans for RWT and account sharing bc these youtubers buy infernal capes and other services. Like only scum plays OSRS anyway, even the Jmods RWT lmao
Found a f2p rune smithing bot farm. 15ish accounts. Cb 13-15. All over 15-20m smithing xp. Its really inane to me bots can get to 15m xp in 1 skill "unnoticed"
I was just hanging out in Al Kharid for a bit and saw a bunch of players botting tanning all with a red handegg but also there was someone with the red halloween mask red robes uniform just sitting in the bank. Wonder if it's the same farm. Reported a bunch of em anyway but I suspect that's the kind of farm that just gets refreshed every day so. Idk.
This is why I want a single player version of the game. I play ironman anyway so have little to no interaction with other players. But its a pain in the ass trying to find a free spot sometimes when training certain skills because the game is overun with bots
this is exactly whaty the game want us all to do, start a new ironman its like oldschool runescape all over agaiun we all start from 0 new bonds new money spent etc
I kind of miss the old days of see trains of bots at every yew tree location or lpw level entry stuff. Was kind of like a weird nostalgic charm to the simplicity of the game
Obviously it's part of their test to integrate AI into their game. They ease up on bot detection to see how the community reacts.... or what bots do that players dislike and work around that.
I see theiving bots playing like 24/7. See these guys all day long as I do my farm run teleporting to draynor and running to the patch, they have like 100+ theiving, all with the same stats (around 45 defense, 71 farming...). Also at barbarian fishing, there are appaerntly scripts where they even do the (3tick?) method with the herblore/cooking xp alongside fishing. One dude was doing it for 10 hours straight while I was afking there during work. Had 100+ fishing, with 90 strength and agility...
perhaps jaxes is not banning to collect lots of data and improve their banning system so less false bans will happen, so you need bots to play so you can get more data about them to improve the accuracy of the bans
that is a possibility but it's way more likely that jagex can't handle their shit, just like they've proven many times before. Also if they were a proper company, they'd already have all the data from the thousands of bots that they used to ban daily.
20k+ accounts, 24/7 botting, with 100+ accounts in the area doing the same exact thing. how much more data do you need???? stop coming up with excuses for their lies. They can ban them if they want, they choose not to, just to save face for people like you
@@dennissommerfeld509 ??????????????????????? 1+1 is 2, but there are other ways to get to the same answer, same with bots. they will improve and change to not get banned. So jaxes has to do the same with NEW DATA, think for once
How much data do yyou think they need lol, for years now they've had a ton of data. There are simple clickspamming bots in draynor with 110+ theiving running day and night. A college intern can detect that bot and ban it
Hey SirPugger, there is a bot farm wearing Raiments of the eye and adamant pickaxes skulled running from edgeville bank and going to mage of zamorak in wildy. LMK what you find out about it.
Jagex leniency on bots is honestly so disheartening. As I type this comment there's a guy in obsidian, obby cape and whip with 110+ melees on highscores killing kurasks near me. Also lots of bots at Fossil Island wyverns with 100+ on hiscores in melee stats using shared with a whip. It makes you wonder what the anti cheating team is even doing in osrs, they could world hop and ban hundreds of bots per day at locations like these. Must be a great job, don't even have to do anything.
Jagex should just make Bot Busting a skill. You have a detect bot option added and if the system says yes then you can kill ‘em and there can be rewards besides the gold they have. Or something like that
Ive olayed casually for many years and never really took notice of bots, or saw anything that to the untrained eye was a bot. But just in the past week on several occasions teleporting to camelot ive literally seen six or seven of them just sitting there spamming the TP. All wielding just air staff and amulet of magic. Names that look straight out of a random password generator. Seems even to someone like me whos a bit casual its starting to become way more noticeable.
I’ve reported about 30 high level bots in the last 15 days. All of them clear to spot bots doing 12+ hours each of certain high level activities. All of them are still active. Jagex don’t want to ban bots or get rid of the gp they make…
It isn't unusual that every few months large groups of bots don't get banned Its possible jagex is following the gold and preparing to ban gold sellers again
I'm missing the old times. Jagex should start to develop an AI-Based Anti-Cheat-Software, because Osbot is already working on AI-Bots. And this will be the end
@@darkreaper7571people will absolutely play the game just to grind basic money makers if the profit margin rises due to the lack of bots, what are you talking about
The game "Tibia" Right out said "we lose half our profit if we ban bots" So players have learned to live with them... OSRS is prolly doing the same lol
I have very little knowledge on this stuff but would it be possible to make a bot that finds other bots, or kills the bot if they find a it in pvp. Bots vs bots
I'm not sure I like that the Bot Detector plugin gives so many false positives. You people know players can spend over 12 hours on this game and not be a bot, right?
there is a bot farm at nex, its a team of 5 or 6 running full arma, one scout hops worlds and they logg out super fast when they see ppl, they are in ausy worlds.
When you try to apply for the Job at Jagex, the Form has 3 different Questions asking about your Pronouns/What you Identify as.. Jagex will never fix their Game because they have their priorities confused.
@@animefan7424 I didn't need to apply for many Jobs, just wanted to see the process of Jagex hiring for this position. I assume the norm is one Question regarding Pronouns at the beginning of the application but 3 out of like 10 is just awkward.
i Was on a alt acc on f2p worlds literally 30min ago, and this due had approx 20-30 bots picking potato at the potato farms South of Varrock, North of Lumbridge roads. And he was very confident even saying he made the botter acc an hour ago.
Yesterday I saw a group of 20+ bots auto teleporting to Camelot, and I didn't investigate but I would imagine it's the same at other teleport locations.
Hey man! love your content! I've been going for a leaf bladed battle axe in the freminnik slayer dungeon. i've run into 4 or five different bots wearing either full guthix or bandos d'hide praying melee, and all have 20 m xp in ranging. And thats about the only skill that is significantly raised. (Yi-Wang Wuch) only wrote down one of the names. good huntings
Keep the bot detection off until it’s fixed, you’re not going to make anyone feel bad that bots are making it through right now. If this is the lesser option opposed to having INNOCENT players banned with their completely dogshart “customer service” (if that’s what you would even call it) that you can’t even get unbanned if you don’t have a damn twitter. Then I would choose this option every single time especially since Jagex allows majority of the bots anyways, from Zulrah bots with over 80k kc and Vorkath bots that have over 120k kc! This spooky cauldron is harmless compared to all the bots they allow to stay
Member bots = stable monthly revenue for Jagex shareholders. You tell me. Also private servers have better real person support than real RS, I would know.
is it that hard to do something about rev bots? I've come across hundreds of them last week, all with craws bows and they auto pray and are near impossible to kill.. i got myself a craws bow drop a couple days ago and for how good it is, its pretty much dirt cheap.. i dont want to sell it for 15m.. i hope they can do something about this.
A lot of the most profitable bot farms usually expect to be banned within 48 hours anyway before they automatically create a new account. This is really only going to help the newer botters that try to make their bot look humanlike so it doesn't get banned
hey Sir, ive been hacked a while back and cant get my account back since jagex isnt responding to me. also the ruins underneath ice mountain there is bots mining clay mybe worth checking out please any help would be amazing
I was a main for a very long time. But I decided to make an ironman found a nice clan with friends. Its the only way I can enjoy the game now. I no longer care about gold gain. I do care about legitimate mains and those who do activities that are ruined by bosses like the wilderness bosses. I wish you guys the best and even pk bots in wildy for you boys knowing I cannot gain from their drops. Best of luck in the fight kings
I love how there are thousands of bots with hundreds of millions of xp, clearly botting. But when i farm gold for a week at zulrah to afk splash my pure to 94 mage on seagulls, im banned for a week.
This is standard, their previous system was obviously too strict and couldn't differentiate between bots and humans, so now they relax the system, this allows all the bots in for extended periods of time, which allows them to calibrate their system properly. They have likely flagged all these bot accounts and they are currently being monitored and used as research material, once their bot detection comes online again, it will be improved and have a metric tonne of data to use, hopefully resulting in less false flags. There will be a massive ban wave and then it will be back to before. So make money while you can.
Soooo many bots. I tried to make a series where I get 1k totals in f2p before becoming members. You cannot mine iron ore anywhere without it being botted
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Can you look into a bot farm that mines ash
Ugh I watch youtube videos to unwind, everybody makes content that's stressful on purpose, god it's like youtubers go to a therapist to figure out the news is bad for you, then go "Ya I'm gonna do that, sounds good"
Either all of these youtubers are future therapy candidates, or they went to therapy to figure out what stresses us out
OK since you guys are younger than me, I'm gonna guess these youtubers are the people that are gonna find out the hard way the way they think causes panic attacks
Just really feels like the bots are rapidly gaining ground vs. Jagex. The false bans were a huge set back.
£5 a month for 200k bots in the game each month…
maybe investigate Jegex instead of the bots
So many bots at the amethyst mines every day. They definitely reduced their detection.
Trident was corrupt and good at his job. Worst possible outcome. Im trolling, but who knows its not like they have a big anti-cheat team.
Oh take it from someone who got their bot account banned, they haven't turned it off...
The "I'm a turkey kill me" thing the red bot farm said was from people (though i dont really remember others doing this as much as me) using a emote that turned you into a turkey that then stalled damage until it ended allowing people to get huge stacks of numbers at the end. I did this alot in clanwars safe portal, (I liked seeing big numbers). Honestly didn't think anyone really remembered that I think it was during rs2ish Easter event that the emote came from
Seeing that many woodcutting bots reminds me of when I first started playing rs f2p in 2006 😂
it truly is the golden era of osrs
I used to try to talk to those bots. They would all say "My woodcutting level is ___" at the same time lmao
Back before Jacmob created the ML detector for RS3, bots were out of control. This was to allow for a ton of data collection. I think this is what is happening.
I really hope it's a data collection initiative in preparation for a massive bot nuke. Anything else and this is inexcusable.
I'm thinking the same thing. Now we wait.
Im thinking this too. Here is to us hoping.
lmao,keep dreaming
Explain? 😊
It's true, I saw a lot of bots at the Seers Village bank while I was cutting logs there and spent hours talking to them, and they responded too! They cracked jokes, responded in a legible way and even asked me follow up questions, this went on for hours. Amazing what bot programs can do today. Almost like they were real people.
I saw this B0aty guy at TOA and he responded to me. Obviously a bot like everyone else (except me, the only legit player)
Good job Jagex, you never let us down.
They are to worried about genders and pride shit to care anymore
Never fail* to let us down
Bro just shut up already lmao you act like Jagex has control over every decision
@@Benzinilinguine Whoosh
@@heccers woosh woosh woosh lolololol
Please tell me what I didn't notice. Do you even speak English? What I wrote is correct, and OP is not. Jamflex constantly lets us down. Forestry nerfs and no bonus xp for a week, no bot detection, false bans. Absolute L game.
i laughed so damn hard at the ingenuity of that alch bot hiding under npc, honestly as jagex i wouldnt even be mad at this, pure comedy gold.
I don't think the hiding should help the bot stay undetected, I don't think J-mods are hunting alchers around the map, and manually checking if they're autoclicking or not. Why wouldn't you just alch in an instance to stay fully hidden then?
@@tetee6789 Instances are logged server-side by who is accessing the instance because each new instance needs to be spawned in the game itself. I'm sure there's more data that is tracked, like click rate, xp gained, that sort of thing - which would be pretty simple to spot a bot that gained 1m magic xp in an instance.
@@channingtaintum Isn't everything in this game happening server side at some point...?
He deserves to get 200m exp
@@imhemaster XD
To be completely honest, The board of shareholders for Jagex know very well that ridding the game of bots would lower their bottom line by a considerable amount. It would be Naive to think the company has any real interest in working towards a "Bot-Free" RuneScape.
100%, the game would of never survived without bots.
I don't even mind the bots so much until they start hogging up bosses and important resources.
@@IAmTheGoblinthe whole point of bots is hogging bosses and important resources…
@@IAmTheGoblinwhat do you think shaped the economics in the game lol. Prices are only the way they are because of bots. RuneScape was better before the GE
Why would they lose bread by banning bots..?
I mean, with Mod Trident being recently fired, the anti-cheating team at Jagex is probably in absolute chaos atm. I've been thinking that for awhile but I thought people would say something about that since the investigation concurred with all the bot abusing. Took longer than I expected for people to connect the dots.
We know Jagex let bots roam around but they definitely disabled all if not most of their detection system metrics due to "false bans" which were again, a lot of botters mass complaining to make it appear worse.
Like with any update in a software industry, you have to rollback and/or disable a feature if there appear to be bug(s), especially if its "false bans" and the staff has to manually review each case...don't know how long it will take for them to enable it again.
a friend of mine got falls banned while woodcutting, took him 5 days and his friend to bitch about it on Reddit to finally get unbanned.
meanwhile a streamer gets banned and is unbanned within the day.
@@MasterLivingBot they just need to hire a good machine learning engineer and he could fix all of this in a month.
Nvm they're hiring a data analyst and a couple more roles that seem fitting for an anti cheating team
I’ve been false banned on legitimate throwaway accounts several times over the years. Luckily they weren’t of too much value, but it’s still annoying to invest time in them and have them wiped out for no reason. Meanwhile so many real bots go undetected with really high stats.
TIN FOIL HAT CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME! So I think that after that wave of false bot detections, Jagex took down their bot detection system to fix some bug(s) that were causing it and didn't want to publicly announce it until it was fixed because they were worried bots would run (even more) rampant but it's taking too long and bots are figuring out there are no consequences to botting.
as someone else commented; theyre likely gathering a bunch of data just like before the bot nuke in RS3 to drop a massive new bot detection system - the bots were rampant in RS3 right before bot nuke hit as well so we will have to wait and see
Yeah the bot algorythym is still going they just training it to be more accurate . That is why they are collecting data on every move the bots make now
@@kendog0013imagine living with this amount of copium
@@Ama2Budelusional
@@koenwijnen8278
You are calling people delusional, but you aren't providing counter arguments.
Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't mean you are right.
Facts don't change depending on your opinion, in fact it is this poor standard of reasoning that leads to most of humanities problems.
Nobody here has sufficient evidence to reach a conclusion, some may have more evidence than others, but that's all.
The only intellectually honest statement anyone can make on this subject is "we don't know."
Jagex updated the forestry rewards to only be given if you were there when it spawned. I ran to the bank and back to participate in an event and I got no rewards, likely why the bots stopped.
rewards are limited to only FIFTY people. most popular worlds have more than 50 people, and thus it's random who gets rewarded.
It’s sad that because of their bottom lines these problems will never get fixed. It’s financially counter intuitive, also makes the game look way more active to new people.
Drives me insane, no idea how long it can go/how bad it can get. It’s only getting worse with bots being better at end game content/PVP as well
per eoc 130k+ players online after EOC 30k+ online till bott come back then the numbers were.
People will stop playing if the bots get out of control, it's all fun and games until we start seeing tbows for 10m. Also, if the bot population exceeds the player population it actually won't be economically viable to bot the game anymore.
@@Nick-ij5nt sorry to break the news the bots have all ways out numbered the players, pre EOC 130k players, after EOC 30k+ players and the number only went up about 1 month after when the bots were back up and running.
@@Muddy.Teabaggerbefore runelite there were popular clients similar to runelite today. These were also botting clients tho so when the bot nuke dropped, everyone using the client got banned. I got a temp ban on my main for just using the client but not running any scripts. This could credit why it was so low but there was also a massive amount of bots at the time. The most I’ve ever seen in the game.
@@stevegoldstein3402 yep I did the same with one of my accounts, and I used swiftkits, but no matter if you use a script or not we used the client so we're both know we botted and don't forget they didn't ban people for 1 year before the nuke only rwt and broken bots were banned all the rest were left till the nuke day
As a co owner of the forestry friends chat in world 445 seers. I can confirm that it was THOUSANDSSS of bots flooding in every time there was roots that showed up in our world. It’s been about 4 days now since last seeing the farm. I think they are finally gone. It feels so much better
Well considering theres 92k players in the more dead hours of rune... feels like they aint gone. nor the 200m thievers in prif.
@@TheUhmmmmmmmm Probably only gone cause of the prices crashing for everything lol. I just got done see a pretty good size bot farm running astral runes in full robes of the eye. With all them having lvl 100 + rc lol
@@TeeeWal I was saying there was almost 100k people online during the middle of the night, so in other words they aren't gone XD.
Yes the over 99 bots are kind of ridiculous, I often get "is already on your ignore" too when I go around reporting in Prif. Feelsbadman.
im the owner of the forestry friends chat in world 445 seers. i can confirm that it was thousands of bots flooding in everytime there was roots that showeed yp in our world. its been about 4 days now since last seeing hte farm,
Supposed to be a flex being a co-owner of a clanchat in runescape? Lmfaoooo no need to say that.
You're doing Jagex's work SirPugger, keep it up!
Pugger has been exposed as faking videos and been trolled before
@@animefan7424Ur a weeb anything you mutter is irrelevant
@@animefan7424
its the internet everything is fake
or slight exaggerations of reality
what work is he doing? every time he reports a bot farm he says jagex already knew about it.
I saw a bot trying to mine amethyst for 5-6 hours the other day while i was watching shows afk’ing and it was failing to realize you need the elite Fally diaries done for that specific area 1st so it kept trying to run in and got stopped everytime 😂
Everytime i do FM in Varrock outside the west bank at W316, there comes what seems like bots that picks up the ashes when the fire goes out
Yeah I give up on the forestry event because I'd be off doing it by myself and as soon as an event would happen all of a sudden my world would get swarmed and the thing would be gone in no time
Saw a high level bot farm all with 2-5K Corp KC, lvl 1 everything but combat stats last night.
Atrocious bot detection
At a point where we need the removal of free trade back since nothing else is working 🤣
So rhe anti-chest moderator was recently fired for corruption and people are wondering why the bot problem is getting worse. Is it possible that he decided to double down and take an offer from a large script maker to tell the interworkings of auto detection. Its not like hes got much to lose at this point.
He probably signed an NDA so...if that's true, I hope he loses everything. He's an absolute cuck.
This game may as well be an RTS with how many units people control 😂
what does RTS mean?
@@p1nkf1oyd13real time strategy. It’s games like StarCraft, Warcraft (now world of Warcraft) command and conquer, and halo wars.
@@Bigwave3Kdon't forget age of empires 2, such a classic RTS
There are always bots at kurasks. They wear veracs skiet/brassard, leaf bladed baxe, glory, slayer helm and d boots. Often with a mirror shield but sometimes without
I’ve watched this one bot walk around in circles the nmz bank for literally 3 days straight now.
I'm going to be honest:
I think when we have 100k concurrent players online, atleast 70% of them at this point are bots.
F2P is completely riddled with bots, P2P atleast half of the people on a world are botting.
It seems like chinese goldsellers seem to invade the OSRS servers now too.... they were on Lost Ark for a while last year, because they made mad profits from people RMTing.
Now that this game has dropped off, weirdly enough bot activity in OSRS increased significantly.
Just on a day botting in the western Lost Ark version, chinese companies made millions of dollars a day. 60-70% fo the total concurrent playerbase were only bots.
The Alching bot under the NPC is a brilliant hiding spot. I hope that one bot doesn't get banned. (The rest though, ban all the bots!)
Imagine if he picked a different npc in some random spot in the game instead of varrock square.
Sad thing is the real players are always paying the price when we are losing the battle vs Bots.
and real players simply quit if an activity is not worth doing anymore or become ironman, which will make runescape only a single player game, it's not a good single player game either
real players are also the ones buying gold, fueling the bots...or else they wouldn't exist.
@@Easypeck That is true. it's like drugs, it won't stop being produced if people still consume it.
It’s sad they added unnecessary restrictions like 150 total to enter friends chat and 100 total / 10 QP / 20 hours in game for unrestricted trade. Ostensibly it was supposed to slow down botting, but really it only hurts legit players when they make new accounts, kills low level F2P PKing especially in multi, and it doesn’t even stop the bots; evidenced by the huge amount of bots that rank at the top of boss KC or have lots of post-99 xp (like Hunter bots). Plus bots can easily meet the requirements meant to stop them in the first place.
that's why they're purposefully low.
a new player isn't going to use the GE within 20 hours or getting 100 total/10QP, they start the game and are confused on what to do.
but all of this is a facade regardless.
Jagex doesn't want to get rid of every single bot, it's a conflict of interest when a huge portion of the active playerbase are botters, which means that it keeps actual players engaged due to common resources being dirt cheap.
people always say "well, if botters were gone the common resource will go up in price, meaning you can make more money" but meanwhile this happens to everything, so you pay more while earning more, not really the compensation people expect.
and at some point that resource might even dry up due to the volume required to do a specific activity, which will lead to supply vs demand issues.
imagine 1 piece of coal going for 3-5k each, why? because mlm bots aren't a thing anymore.
sure you can make 3-5k each with 1 piece of coal by doing it yourself, but this would apply to everything that's bottable, which nowadays is limitless, you got actual boss bot farms now, even raid bot farms.
everything would increase in price by a lot.
Yeah and another thing is with all those requirements that have different activities, when a bot does different activities, it also fools the existing detection system, so having those restrictions only takes care of the noobiest of botters at best.
@@DarkDyllon this has never been the case in runescape at any point in the game's history. Things increasing a lot is good for players and rewarding doing them.
saw a bot running to vorkath and it had 50k vorkath kc, its like jagex isnt even pretending to try anymore lmao, im actually willing to bet that there are jagex mods that are botting themselves for money.
I said something similar on last video people started to go at me for it lol
came back to play rs07 a few days ago on my main when the economy is at its worst lol, still doesn't put me off from playing but 8m for a bond is also CRAZY
Damn, its like 70mill on mainscape.
Tho there is a couple top lvl methods to get that in a few hours
Jagex probably makes more money from bond purchases then direct members.
As long as mass bot farms want to buy bonds in large quantities, people will keep purchasing and selling them in GE
@@FirestormDDashthe top level methods are over 100m per hour
@@animefan7424 ah fair I forget about combat options
i wandered past that zammy robe tanning bot farm once, i was so baffled at how many accounts are able to be botted like that and none of them being banned for how long they were there
The guy under the npc is probably just auto clicking.
I mean i have seen less bots but i’ve seen more scammers. In fact, me and some in game friends have reported a scammer that has been standing at world 302 ”doubling”/scamming people literally daily, it’s been weeks now and it doesn’t get muted, banned or anything. There’s literally no consequenses for scammers and it turns gullable noobs away from the game, seeing people literally quit every day because of this apparently unpunishable behavior
Plus you can take a look at the big names that have been false banned over the years (but they luckily had the status / connections to get it overturned. The average player won’t). Lynx Titan, Ronan/Gudi, EVScape, Solo Mission, and Odablock was the victim of targeted bans. It’s a garbage system that punishes real players and lets real bots get away with it.
Don't forget Kevin too!
Half of these bans were legit bans for RWT and account sharing bc these youtubers buy infernal capes and other services.
Like only scum plays OSRS anyway, even the Jmods RWT lmao
@@anita.b but all those bans got overturned with personal intervention from Jagex. So they weren’t legit.
hey pugger whats ur opinion? do u think the caldron will be there for good or taken away
Found a f2p rune smithing bot farm. 15ish accounts. Cb 13-15. All over 15-20m smithing xp. Its really inane to me bots can get to 15m xp in 1 skill "unnoticed"
I was just hanging out in Al Kharid for a bit and saw a bunch of players botting tanning all with a red handegg but also there was someone with the red halloween mask red robes uniform just sitting in the bank. Wonder if it's the same farm. Reported a bunch of em anyway but I suspect that's the kind of farm that just gets refreshed every day so. Idk.
This is why I want a single player version of the game. I play ironman anyway so have little to no interaction with other players. But its a pain in the ass trying to find a free spot sometimes when training certain skills because the game is overun with bots
A single player version with some bots to crash or fight in pvp
this is exactly whaty the game want us all to do, start a new ironman its like oldschool runescape all over agaiun we all start from 0 new bonds new money spent etc
lol, you can already do that.
you can make a private server it's not that difficult nowdays
@@appie7071 Not with the current game version and all future updates
MY BOOBIES😂 Holy shit lmao that bit killed me
if the rumours of Trident being fired are true it makes sense there would be more bots
wdym rumors, he literally said he got fired on twitter lmao.
@@superlad6684simp 😂😂😂
@@shinji1264 how am i a simp?
@@superlad6684 not u mod trident
@@superlad6684 can you link?
I kind of miss the old days of see trains of bots at every yew tree location or lpw level entry stuff. Was kind of like a weird nostalgic charm to the simplicity of the game
Obviously it's part of their test to integrate AI into their game. They ease up on bot detection to see how the community reacts.... or what bots do that players dislike and work around that.
Honestly i love the that red bot farm, dudes just a goof ball
There SHOULD NEVER BE A BOT IN PVP AREA. But Jagex gives bots perfect immunity conditions.
Saw a wool weaving bot farm on lumby. Was just odd to see that so obviously
its bow strings but yeah
Why don't you apply for the ant cheating role at jagex?
If they let me make content about what I find I'd be interested
@@SirPugger the content would be Amazing
Jagex Moderator Pugger 😎
Because they want people to find bots not make them up
I see theiving bots playing like 24/7.
See these guys all day long as I do my farm run teleporting to draynor and running to the patch, they have like 100+ theiving, all with the same stats (around 45 defense, 71 farming...).
Also at barbarian fishing, there are appaerntly scripts where they even do the (3tick?) method with the herblore/cooking xp alongside fishing. One dude was doing it for 10 hours straight while I was afking there during work. Had 100+ fishing, with 90 strength and agility...
perhaps jaxes is not banning to collect lots of data and improve their banning system so less false bans will happen, so you need bots to play so you can get more data about them to improve the accuracy of the bans
that is a possibility but it's way more likely that jagex can't handle their shit, just like they've proven many times before. Also if they were a proper company, they'd already have all the data from the thousands of bots that they used to ban daily.
20k+ accounts, 24/7 botting, with 100+ accounts in the area doing the same exact thing. how much more data do you need????
stop coming up with excuses for their lies. They can ban them if they want, they choose not to, just to save face for people like you
@@dennissommerfeld509 ??????????????????????? 1+1 is 2, but there are other ways to get to the same answer, same with bots. they will improve and change to not get banned. So jaxes has to do the same with NEW DATA, think for once
How much data do yyou think they need lol, for years now they've had a ton of data.
There are simple clickspamming bots in draynor with 110+ theiving running day and night.
A college intern can detect that bot and ban it
@@royalrepublican3480 ????????????????????????????????????????????? 2+2 IS 7
It has its moments but you've got to adore the community here, timeless. ❤
Did Matt K straight up admit in that interview that they let bots exist on purpose lol
what interview?
Mod Dan (Reach) stated that at one point in RS3, they stopped banning bots. 3:15 mark of Colonello’s video *The Year Nobody On RuneScape Got Banned*
Hey SirPugger, there is a bot farm wearing Raiments of the eye and adamant pickaxes skulled running from edgeville bank and going to mage of zamorak in wildy. LMK what you find out about it.
I love how people still suggest ways jagex could detect bots. Guys, they can detect bots. It’s wether or not they chose to do anything to them
Well you know, the playerbase has to look as big as possible before selling jagex
Jagex leniency on bots is honestly so disheartening. As I type this comment there's a guy in obsidian, obby cape and whip with 110+ melees on highscores killing kurasks near me. Also lots of bots at Fossil Island wyverns with 100+ on hiscores in melee stats using shared with a whip.
It makes you wonder what the anti cheating team is even doing in osrs, they could world hop and ban hundreds of bots per day at locations like these. Must be a great job, don't even have to do anything.
Jagex should just make Bot Busting a skill. You have a detect bot option added and if the system says yes then you can kill ‘em and there can be rewards besides the gold they have. Or something like that
and if the system comes back with a false positive?
What's the point of legit players anymore on this game lol.
Ive olayed casually for many years and never really took notice of bots, or saw anything that to the untrained eye was a bot. But just in the past week on several occasions teleporting to camelot ive literally seen six or seven of them just sitting there spamming the TP. All wielding just air staff and amulet of magic. Names that look straight out of a random password generator. Seems even to someone like me whos a bit casual its starting to become way more noticeable.
I hate bots! I love your videos thank you for the services!(i been seeing high alch bots all over the G.E its a bot!)
So many low tier f2p weapons/armor alch for profit now it’s crazy.
I’ve reported about 30 high level bots in the last 15 days. All of them clear to spot bots doing 12+ hours each of certain high level activities. All of them are still active. Jagex don’t want to ban bots or get rid of the gp they make…
It isn't unusual that every few months large groups
of bots don't get banned
Its possible jagex is following the gold and preparing
to ban gold sellers again
I'm missing the old times. Jagex should start to develop an AI-Based Anti-Cheat-Software, because Osbot is already working on AI-Bots. And this will be the end
the game wont surive 1 day with out bots, you wont play the game to farm resources only used in quests. Stop crying
they most definitely already have an AI based anticheat software and have for a long time now
@@darkreaper7571people will absolutely play the game just to grind basic money makers if the profit margin rises due to the lack of bots, what are you talking about
@@darkreaper7571you are using bots, don't you ?
@@darkreaper7571 get a real job. stop crying
The game "Tibia"
Right out said "we lose half our profit if we ban bots"
So players have learned to live with them...
OSRS is prolly doing the same lol
most profit comes from rs3, but maybe to maintain osrs profit they have to
I have very little knowledge on this stuff but would it be possible to make a bot that finds other bots, or kills the bot if they find a it in pvp. Bots vs bots
Trident definitely did some spiteful shit before leaving 😂
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Thank you brother
I'm not sure I like that the Bot Detector plugin gives so many false positives. You people know players can spend over 12 hours on this game and not be a bot, right?
Bot detector plugin is just a fancy high score comparer, it doesn't do anything except keep tab on banned accounts.
May aswell be an irl npc at that point
@@Jackson-sr4fk
Obvious cope from someone that will never max. 🤣
you can hide npc in runelite to see the bot hiding under, right?
I think we need to relax. Jagex wouldn't just let bots run amok. They'd never do that.
I mean its what they've been doing for years, why would they stop now
Any you do hide npc for that bot that’s under the npc in varrock to see what the guy is doing?
Cant*
The only reason it seems worse right now is because of Prime.
there is a bot farm at nex, its a team of 5 or 6 running full arma, one scout hops worlds and they logg out super fast when they see ppl, they are in ausy worlds.
When you try to apply for the Job at Jagex, the Form has 3 different Questions asking about your Pronouns/What you Identify as..
Jagex will never fix their Game because they have their priorities confused.
I see you haven’t applied for many jobs, that is the norm
@@animefan7424 I didn't need to apply for many Jobs, just wanted to see the process of Jagex hiring for this position. I assume the norm is one Question regarding Pronouns at the beginning of the application but 3 out of like 10 is just awkward.
i Was on a alt acc on f2p worlds literally 30min ago, and this due had approx 20-30 bots picking potato at the potato farms South of Varrock, North of Lumbridge roads. And he was very confident even saying he made the botter acc an hour ago.
Yesterday I saw a group of 20+ bots auto teleporting to Camelot, and I didn't investigate but I would imagine it's the same at other teleport locations.
I've noticed a lot of bots in upper 400 worlds at the Camelot tele in blue wizard gear. They alch once then tele and will do it for days and days.
You could see the dude hiding under the NPC if you use entity hider.
Hey man! love your content! I've been going for a leaf bladed battle axe in the freminnik slayer dungeon. i've run into 4 or five different bots wearing either full guthix or bandos d'hide praying melee, and all have 20 m xp in ranging. And thats about the only skill that is significantly raised. (Yi-Wang Wuch) only wrote down one of the names. good huntings
saw like 20-25 plunder pyramid bots in a single world while doing that for a while srs hope they are gonna do something about it
Surprised some sort of bot nuke didn't happen yet i have played both games for thousand of hours but can clearly see which game has bigger issue
it feels like they did. ive seen the same account mine iron in a member server for like a week straight. not banned
Keep the bot detection off until it’s fixed, you’re not going to make anyone feel bad that bots are making it through right now. If this is the lesser option opposed to having INNOCENT players banned with their completely dogshart “customer service” (if that’s what you would even call it) that you can’t even get unbanned if you don’t have a damn twitter. Then I would choose this option every single time especially since Jagex allows majority of the bots anyways, from Zulrah bots with over 80k kc and Vorkath bots that have over 120k kc! This spooky cauldron is harmless compared to all the bots they allow to stay
Nah id rather have innocent bitches banned along with bots. You gotta break eggs to make an omlet.
I know i regularly see nature rune crafting bots. They have 110+ rcing and i typically see one everytime i go to the fairy ring for my medium clues
Are brutal black dragon bots a thing? I saw a guy with 77 slayer and 200m ranged xp and I was really confused lol
Member bots = stable monthly revenue for Jagex shareholders. You tell me. Also private servers have better real person support than real RS, I would know.
is it that hard to do something about rev bots? I've come across hundreds of them last week, all with craws bows and they auto pray and are near impossible to kill.. i got myself a craws bow drop a couple days ago and for how good it is, its pretty much dirt cheap.. i dont want to sell it for 15m.. i hope they can do something about this.
A lot of the most profitable bot farms usually expect to be banned within 48 hours anyway before they automatically create a new account. This is really only going to help the newer botters that try to make their bot look humanlike so it doesn't get banned
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"This bussy"
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hey Sir,
ive been hacked a while back and cant get my account back since jagex isnt responding to me. also the ruins underneath ice mountain there is bots mining clay mybe worth checking out
please any help would be amazing
I was a main for a very long time. But I decided to make an ironman found a nice clan with friends. Its the only way I can enjoy the game now. I no longer care about gold gain. I do care about legitimate mains and those who do activities that are ruined by bosses like the wilderness bosses. I wish you guys the best and even pk bots in wildy for you boys knowing I cannot gain from their drops. Best of luck in the fight kings
@sirpugger is there a reward if i snitch a complete bot network? With many different bots in it
When you gonna go for the soul wars bots?
I love how there are thousands of bots with hundreds of millions of xp, clearly botting. But when i farm gold for a week at zulrah to afk splash my pure to 94 mage on seagulls, im banned for a week.
ive been reporting a massive bot farm in prif near the north bank theres pickpocketers in almost every world. none of them get banned
i know several people who have botted all the way to max + killed 1000s of bosses on a single acc pretty much 24/7 over the past year
So basically what you're saying is;
If I wanted to come back to play altscaper style, it would be safer now than all the false bans xD
This is standard, their previous system was obviously too strict and couldn't differentiate between bots and humans, so now they relax the system, this allows all the bots in for extended periods of time, which allows them to calibrate their system properly.
They have likely flagged all these bot accounts and they are currently being monitored and used as research material, once their bot detection comes online again, it will be improved and have a metric tonne of data to use, hopefully resulting in less false flags.
There will be a massive ban wave and then it will be back to before.
So make money while you can.
I was told bots are being allowed for now as jagex needs their player numbers high enough for something thats happening very soon
Soooo many bots. I tried to make a series where I get 1k totals in f2p before becoming members. You cannot mine iron ore anywhere without it being botted