Man, thanks for the review! With the animation improving, people that think topspin is better will likely see beyond the animation, look at the actual ball physics, shot types and risk/reward that a real tennis match has.
Doesn't seem like topspin has the best physics. It may look more realistically, but the ball behavior is the same. Shot selection is everything in tennis, and TS does not reflect that
In Topspin you can, for instance, respond to slice with whatever shot you want, right? In Tiebreak you cannot. When your opponent plays well powered slice, you cannot return the ball with a strong flat shot - if you do, the ball will hit the net most of the time. Responding to a slice with your own slice is also a bit risky business - the ball sometimes goes through, but the success depends on the ball height, your power and if you play through the high point of the net or low.
Everything you say is true,i get so much hate for liking AO2 and Tiebreak from Topspin players who say i know nothing about tennis when 2k25 rallies and all videos look the same slow ball speed and boring, so many shots fall short and seem to have to make a real effort to get the ball long consistantly. Of course Tiebreak animations are choppy at times and baseline movement is improving. Why are you not running in circles moving on the baseline compared to other early access players who look all over the place. I am hoping by console release the game will be much improved.
@@machetegaming Go to AbdoPlays i think he is always holding left and right triggers at the same time and he cannot seem to run left and right on baseline getting confused.
@@robryan4080 ive been doing the same you really have to keep holding both triggers down to get enough speed to hit the ball in a good position there are very few occasions you can release it. my feedback to the tiebreak team was to incorporate those "chase down" buttons into one shoulder button and smooth out/add more animation variety so it doesn't look or feel so clonky like you are running around in circles. even with this current issue its not a deal breaker and can be improved on.
@@BosGaurus05 no live telecast ever got this feature. Atleast there should be an option to disable that zoom. The match should look exactly like what's visible during live telecast of matches on televisons.
I have 35 hours in Tieabrek and 120 hours in topspin. I have to say that Tiebreak is better tennis and anyone who says that it isn't either doesn't even have the game and read something somewhere or didn't take the time to learn it! I'm looking forward to the release and if topspin doesn't come as soon as possible with licensed tennis players, at least the first 50 in the ATP rankings, it will die because after so many hours it really has nothing to give me :)
Agree, Tiebreak feels much better as tennis experience than Topspin. I honestly don't think licensed players would even save Topspin for me. Last night, I played Topspin for the first time since I bought Tiebreak. I couldn't believe how lethargic the gameplay feels now in comparison (I liked Topspin before I tried Tiebreak lol)
got the early access just got the basics down and when it works it feels really good. hopefully they can iron out the edges but they've nailed the core gameplay really enjoying it so far.
Agree with everything said here, was critical of this game before I played it but it is extremely rewarding and plays a lot more like a real tennis rally which I love. Havent played topspin since I got this. Also the specific player animations are mint
Good video. Visually Topspin gameplay looks better but l stopped playing Topspin after the first week. Gonna trade it in this weekend. I played the hell out of AO tennis 2 even though it was far from perfect. Tiebreak looks a lot better after the last update. There will be two more updates before launch and they will most likely update it a few more times post launch. The amout of content this game provides is unreal. You look at the strokes and player models of Medvedev and Alcaraz in Tiebreak and it blows Topspin away in my opinion. Can't wait for this game.
Thank you so much for this detailed review! Definitely considering to pre order it rn. Btw, is there any local co-op features for Tiebreak on play station?
Gameplay wise it seems to look a bit like Virtual Tennis, a bit arcade. Run and turn unrealistically fast, but i'm hyped about the wide rooster for sure! Let's hope they are gonna make some improvements. Looking forward.
Visually top spin is great for real but I already don’t care for the game 🤷🏾♂️ when you play online it’s like you have no chance at all to beat that player
Interesting review, made me reconsider my position on tiebreak a bit. Whilst the gameplay looks kind of boring to me and not at all realistic (slow floaty ball physics and strange groundstrokes) maybe it’s more fun to actually play than it looks. Clearly the game is superior to topspin in every other way
Tiebreak is improving all the time, rallies are far more exciting and ball speed is closer to real tennis,they just have to get the movement and animations right which i think they will by console release. Devs have said linesmen,ball boys and court logos will be added in. I like AO TENNIS 2 no matter what Topspin fanatics say,i have played more of AO2 than TS4 and if Tiebreak ends up better than AO2 with the great roster i will be very happy. 2K25 rallies look so slow compared to real tennis matches,just compare on UA-cam.
Tennis elbow 4 on Xbox is also great! Graphics aside it is really satisfying. I'm cheering for tiebreak too! I had many hours on AO tennis, it was great
@@newdraftanimations Sorry i got Tennis Elbow 4 a month ago on xbox one and i got a full refund the next day after spending 3 hours on it,i said it would not load. It was the worst experience i have ever had with a tennis game,could not get the player to move quick at all with the left and right triggers,hated the menus navigation and the player models are horrendous. I heard some updates have improved it on xbox but a couple of other players had the same trouble as me.
@@robryan4080 That's true! My first two hours were frustrating too. 1) before matches lower the difficulty (I found it after losing constantly) 2) I discovered that you increase or decrease an option with X/A (X: increase / A: Decrease) 3) movement can be adjusted with the death zone of the stick and also by improving stats 4) hitting continue on Carrer mode didn't work, not a single time... but saving and then choosing "Load" will make it work 5) mods break the game 6) Change camera view 7) spend a lot of time on the tutorial. That alone made me have hope for the game for me. Then I did points 1-6 and now I'm having a blast! The way they ship you the game is horrible because the CPU is too hard and the mechanics needs a bit of time (Ao tennis now feels too easy and automated, which I never thought before playing Tennis Elbow). Maybe if tiebreak disappoints, give it a shot if it's on sale! Navigational on menus is truly bad though, I agree. I think it's made by only 1 developer (?), but not sure about that. Anyway the gameplay flow is great once you get the hang of it
@@machetegamingI hope they revert the difficulty to that then because it’s definitely too easy. I just got the game two days ago and don’t lose anymore vs cpu on expert
I appreciate the video, and I agree with the list of things to improve. Personally, I would like to see real tennis umpires and their voices - icons such as Kader Nouni and Mohammed Lahyani. Not the recycled boring voice-overs from previous games. The graphics look average. Particularly when it comes to lighting and the crowd. Where are the ball boys? It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but these things impact my decision to buy the game or not.
Great Video, i will follow their progress. It seems like they have a lot of potential. Btw: You should try full ace tennis. Gameplay wise its the best tennis video game imo
If the movement is good, it will be good. Thats why topspin runs away with it. Their running animations dont feel like animations from a tennis game from 2005
Really like the look of tiebreak looks realistic and some great lifelike animations of the player styles may try it in early access to me looks more like tennis top spin
At the moment I’m playing TE4. Which is great, we all know what it lacks so no need to go there. 2K25 pissed me off 🤬. Soooooo disappointed! Especially the moola I spent 💸💸💸🤦🏾♂️. Anyway looking forward to this title. Looks so much more enjoyable.
Play wise is very subjective: I have more fun with Tiebreak than Topspin gameplay, despite limited game mode options and imperfections of AI in Tiebreak. I haven't played Virtua Tennis in ages so it's hard to compare it. Looks wise: Tiebreak is objectively a better looking video game - player models are more detailed and real-like looking; textures are sharper; effects like antialiasing, shadows, etc. are way better in Tiebreak, too.
@@machetegaming Tennis elbow 3, 6 difficulties 6 subdifficulty, 1000 player woman and man rankins, arcade, simulation , 3d 1person camera, mods, all years torunaments 250, 500, challenger rookie, just everythink EXCEPT the graphics is awesome.
Provably the minority, but played tennis games way back when even in early Virtua Tennis back in the Dreamcast. Out of ALL the most recent tennis games, Topsin 2k25, even though it has horrible graphics still resembles actual tennis for me than any other tennis sim (and i play actual real life tennis). And hey, i enjoy tennis arcade games that play like Virtua Tennis with emphasis on Ping Pong mechanics if done right, but the developers of AO tennis and Tiebreak cannot seem to get player AND ball physics fun for me. Having a ton of licensed players means NOTHING if your fundamentals arent up to par and every player plays EXACTLY the same. I have high expectations for Tiebreak, but given how Big Ant has disappointed me in ALL their tennis games, they need to complete a career Grand Slam for me to pick this up.
My opinion changed as the situation with Tiebreak developed. This review was made two patches ago, meaning Tiebreak had the potential to iron things out before the full release. Now, the game is set to release in two weeks. The new patches have improved some aspects, but they have also uncovered many new problems. EA5 had much better shot balance, the CPU was not as easy, and serving was boring but not as abussive against computer. Additionally, I have gained much more experience with Tiebreak and tennis games in general in the last two months.
TopSpin feels too scripted. Movement is heavy but feels automated a lot of the time. Crowd clapping before you even hit a winner is a great example of how scripted it is. Tiebreak will be better, but the serving is complete garbage right now... and there are still too many terrible shots like that lunge the AI plays when it gets to every ball. Movement and physics are still too funky at times. The game 'looks' more fluid and together when you use LB + RB on every shot, it removes this random running all over the court and gives a movement assist, plus it also chooses the best side for you to hit from. Movement is too quick for certain players. Speed should vary a LOT like real life.
Ao tennis is less than 4 us$ at Argentina. That's all we need to know... The best tennis game of all time is Virtua tennis. You can take a pic of yourself to create the character.
This guy obviously hates topspin 😅 Yes, there are a lot of people using power as a meta. But, if you actually get good at the game, you can completely mitigate power with control shots. Don’t get why people haven’t cottoned on.
"great" is a big word. Is it really a "great" game for 2024??? You guys are brainwashed. You will recieve a poor game by keeping the standards this low...
Haha 2K players are bitter they got the wrong game. This game is still early access and has way better gameplay than 2K and that's a finished product. 2K makes a great golf game but they failed with tennis.
If the movement is good, it will be good. Thats why topspin runs away with it. Their running animations dont feel like animations from a tennis game from 2005
Man, thanks for the review! With the animation improving, people that think topspin is better will likely see beyond the animation, look at the actual ball physics, shot types and risk/reward that a real tennis match has.
Ball physics look more realistic in TopSpin tho
TS in reality is better. Its the feel, the gameplay that counts. Tiebreak rosters graphics is useless if the feel and gameplay is not right.
Doesn't seem like topspin has the best physics. It may look more realistically, but the ball behavior is the same. Shot selection is everything in tennis, and TS does not reflect that
@@lucasnicastro8731 why does it not reflect that and Tiebreak does?
In Topspin you can, for instance, respond to slice with whatever shot you want, right? In Tiebreak you cannot.
When your opponent plays well powered slice, you cannot return the ball with a strong flat shot - if you do, the ball will hit the net most of the time.
Responding to a slice with your own slice is also a bit risky business - the ball sometimes goes through, but the success depends on the ball height, your power and if you play through the high point of the net or low.
Everything you say is true,i get so much hate for liking AO2 and Tiebreak from Topspin players who say i know nothing about tennis when 2k25 rallies and all videos look the same slow ball speed and boring, so many shots fall short and seem to have to make a real effort to get the ball long consistantly. Of course Tiebreak animations are choppy at times and baseline movement is improving. Why are you not running in circles moving on the baseline compared to other early access players who look all over the place. I am hoping by console release the game will be much improved.
Could you elaborate on running in circles on the baseline? Are players doing that for some specific reason?
@@machetegaming Go to AbdoPlays i think he is always holding left and right triggers at the same time and he cannot seem to run left and right on baseline getting confused.
@@robryan4080 ive been doing the same you really have to keep holding both triggers down to get enough speed to hit the ball in a good position there are very few occasions you can release it. my feedback to the tiebreak team was to incorporate those "chase down" buttons into one shoulder button and smooth out/add more animation variety so it doesn't look or feel so clonky like you are running around in circles. even with this current issue its not a deal breaker and can be improved on.
The movement expecialy running forward looks bad. Please fix this before release
That zoom while tossing the serve needs to be removed ASAP
No. It's cool. Leave it alone
@@BosGaurus05 no live telecast ever got this feature. Atleast there should be an option to disable that zoom. The match should look exactly like what's visible during live telecast of matches on televisons.
@@prafullarjeria if you want to watch the real thing, go turn on your tv and watch espn or something
You can turn it off in full release but I keep it on so I can see the ball on the serve
Good video but in my opinion the console version of games are the best experience.The game will be in my basket in August .
I have 35 hours in Tieabrek and 120 hours in topspin. I have to say that Tiebreak is better tennis and anyone who says that it isn't either doesn't even have the game and read something somewhere or didn't take the time to learn it! I'm looking forward to the release and if topspin doesn't come as soon as possible with licensed tennis players, at least the first 50 in the ATP rankings, it will die because after so many hours it really has nothing to give me :)
Agree, Tiebreak feels much better as tennis experience than Topspin.
I honestly don't think licensed players would even save Topspin for me. Last night, I played Topspin for the first time since I bought Tiebreak. I couldn't believe how lethargic the gameplay feels now in comparison (I liked Topspin before I tried Tiebreak lol)
got the early access just got the basics down and when it works it feels really good. hopefully they can iron out the edges but they've nailed the core gameplay really enjoying it so far.
I got tiebreak last night played for 2 hours really liking the game few issues but it is early access.
Agree with everything said here, was critical of this game before I played it but it is extremely rewarding and plays a lot more like a real tennis rally which I love. Havent played topspin since I got this. Also the specific player animations are mint
Good video. Visually Topspin gameplay looks better but l stopped playing Topspin after the first week. Gonna trade it in this weekend. I played the hell out of AO tennis 2 even though it was far from perfect. Tiebreak looks a lot better after the last update. There will be two more updates before launch and they will most likely update it a few more times post launch. The amout of content this game provides is unreal. You look at the strokes and player models of Medvedev and Alcaraz in Tiebreak and it blows Topspin away in my opinion. Can't wait for this game.
Will definitely give this game a shot, mainly because of the impressive roster.
Thank you so much for this detailed review! Definitely considering to pre order it rn. Btw, is there any local co-op features for Tiebreak on play station?
Gameplay wise it seems to look a bit like Virtual Tennis, a bit arcade. Run and turn unrealistically fast, but i'm hyped about the wide rooster for sure! Let's hope they are gonna make some improvements. Looking forward.
You should give a try to Full ace Tennis with FA Mod 1.7 ;)
Visually top spin is great for real but I already don’t care for the game 🤷🏾♂️ when you play online it’s like you have no chance at all to beat that player
Interesting review, made me reconsider my position on tiebreak a bit. Whilst the gameplay looks kind of boring to me and not at all realistic (slow floaty ball physics and strange groundstrokes) maybe it’s more fun to actually play than it looks. Clearly the game is superior to topspin in every other way
Tiebreak is improving all the time, rallies are far more exciting and ball speed is closer to real tennis,they just have to get the movement and animations right which i think they will by console release. Devs have said linesmen,ball boys and court logos will be added in. I like AO TENNIS 2 no matter what Topspin fanatics say,i have played more of AO2 than TS4 and if Tiebreak ends up better than AO2 with the great roster i will be very happy. 2K25 rallies look so slow compared to real tennis matches,just compare on UA-cam.
And topspin 2k25 also lacks: modes, offline mode, community creations. It was really disappointing for me ngl
Tennis elbow 4 on Xbox is also great! Graphics aside it is really satisfying. I'm cheering for tiebreak too! I had many hours on AO tennis, it was great
@@newdraftanimations Sorry i got Tennis Elbow 4 a month ago on xbox one and i got a full refund the next day after spending 3 hours on it,i said it would not load. It was the worst experience i have ever had with a tennis game,could not get the player to move quick at all with the left and right triggers,hated the menus navigation and the player models are horrendous. I heard some updates have improved it on xbox but a couple of other players had the same trouble as me.
@@robryan4080 That's true! My first two hours were frustrating too.
1) before matches lower the difficulty (I found it after losing constantly)
2) I discovered that you increase or decrease an option with X/A (X: increase / A: Decrease)
3) movement can be adjusted with the death zone of the stick and also by improving stats
4) hitting continue on Carrer mode didn't work, not a single time... but saving and then choosing "Load" will make it work
5) mods break the game
6) Change camera view
7) spend a lot of time on the tutorial. That alone made me have hope for the game for me. Then I did points 1-6 and now I'm having a blast! The way they ship you the game is horrible because the CPU is too hard and the mechanics needs a bit of time (Ao tennis now feels too easy and automated, which I never thought before playing Tennis Elbow). Maybe if tiebreak disappoints, give it a shot if it's on sale! Navigational on menus is truly bad though, I agree. I think it's made by only 1 developer (?), but not sure about that. Anyway the gameplay flow is great once you get the hang of it
The game difficulty is a bit hidden, you have to search for it. Once I set it on the lowest I was winning even though I wasn't playing well
Hey @MacheteGaming was the difficulty of the game harder when you made this video? If so, what update version was the gameplay in these videos
Yes it was harder. This particular vid is from Early Access update nr 5.
@@machetegamingI hope they revert the difficulty to that then because it’s definitely too easy. I just got the game two days ago and don’t lose anymore vs cpu on expert
ye, give it a day or two and you will be falling asleep winning 6-0 without breaking sweat :/
Player movement is too robotic and it seems you can´t have a good rally because shots have unreal angles
I appreciate the video, and I agree with the list of things to improve.
Personally, I would like to see real tennis umpires and their voices - icons such as Kader Nouni and Mohammed Lahyani. Not the recycled boring voice-overs from previous games.
The graphics look average. Particularly when it comes to lighting and the crowd. Where are the ball boys? It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but these things impact my decision to buy the game or not.
Great Video, i will follow their progress. It seems like they have a lot of potential.
Btw: You should try full ace tennis. Gameplay wise its the best tennis video game imo
I will give Full Ace another try soon. First time around it just did not click with me
If the movement is good, it will be good. Thats why topspin runs away with it. Their running animations dont feel like animations from a tennis game from 2005
Really like the look of tiebreak looks realistic and some great lifelike animations of the player styles may try it in early access to me looks more like tennis top spin
I’ll be buying this. Top Spin have lost me unless you can put multiple players into the career mode like TS4.
At the moment I’m playing TE4. Which is great, we all know what it lacks so no need to go there. 2K25 pissed me off 🤬. Soooooo disappointed! Especially the moola I spent 💸💸💸🤦🏾♂️. Anyway looking forward to this title. Looks so much more enjoyable.
seems like Topspin and Virtual Tennis look better and play better
Play wise is very subjective: I have more fun with Tiebreak than Topspin gameplay, despite limited game mode options and imperfections of AI in Tiebreak. I haven't played Virtua Tennis in ages so it's hard to compare it.
Looks wise: Tiebreak is objectively a better looking video game - player models are more detailed and real-like looking; textures are sharper; effects like antialiasing, shadows, etc. are way better in Tiebreak, too.
Best is Tennis Elbow game.
What do you like in Tennis Elbow more than in Tiebreak?
Agree, but tennis elbow 3 is still king, somehow the movement and groundstrokes look a lot more goofy in TE4 it’s like a step back
@@machetegaming Tennis elbow 3, 6 difficulties 6 subdifficulty, 1000 player woman and man rankins, arcade, simulation , 3d 1person camera, mods, all years torunaments 250, 500, challenger rookie, just everythink EXCEPT the graphics is awesome.
Provably the minority, but played tennis games way back when even in early Virtua Tennis back in the Dreamcast. Out of ALL the most recent tennis games, Topsin 2k25, even though it has horrible graphics still resembles actual tennis for me than any other tennis sim (and i play actual real life tennis). And hey, i enjoy tennis arcade games that play like Virtua Tennis with emphasis on Ping Pong mechanics if done right, but the developers of AO tennis and Tiebreak cannot seem to get player AND ball physics fun for me. Having a ton of licensed players means NOTHING if your fundamentals arent up to par and every player plays EXACTLY the same. I have high expectations for Tiebreak, but given how Big Ant has disappointed me in ALL their tennis games, they need to complete a career Grand Slam for me to pick this up.
is the game need to be online while playing my career mode?
How big is the game in the storage space?
If they got rid of that hideous sliding animation it might be alright. I seriously can’t get over how they think that looks good
I have a MacBook Pro M1 Pro, 16 gb ram. Is my pc able to run Tiebreak? Or this game is only for Windows
Its coming to ps5 22nd august
I am enjoying the game
I don't understand your point, I saw one of your videos you' say this game is not complete but here I say different :)
My opinion changed as the situation with Tiebreak developed.
This review was made two patches ago, meaning Tiebreak had the potential to iron things out before the full release.
Now, the game is set to release in two weeks. The new patches have improved some aspects, but they have also uncovered many new problems. EA5 had much better shot balance, the CPU was not as easy, and serving was boring but not as abussive against computer.
Additionally, I have gained much more experience with Tiebreak and tennis games in general in the last two months.
TopSpin feels too scripted. Movement is heavy but feels automated a lot of the time. Crowd clapping before you even hit a winner is a great example of how scripted it is. Tiebreak will be better, but the serving is complete garbage right now... and there are still too many terrible shots like that lunge the AI plays when it gets to every ball. Movement and physics are still too funky at times. The game 'looks' more fluid and together when you use LB + RB on every shot, it removes this random running all over the court and gives a movement assist, plus it also chooses the best side for you to hit from.
Movement is too quick for certain players. Speed should vary a LOT like real life.
Moving animation looks like running . Every players moves the same like that??
Most of the time I hold both triggers (which is running) when moving towards the ball.
This looks way better than Top Spin
Ao tennis is less than 4 us$ at Argentina. That's all we need to know... The best tennis game of all time is Virtua tennis. You can take a pic of yourself to create the character.
This guy obviously hates topspin 😅
Yes, there are a lot of people using power as a meta. But, if you actually get good at the game, you can completely mitigate power with control shots.
Don’t get why people haven’t cottoned on.
i'm keen to get this game now on early access, does anyone know if this game supports doubles?
Not yet, but it has doubles in the menu so should be available later on.
@@machetegaming thank you mate !
You grew tired of topspin and came to this 😂
I think…AO tennis 2 has one of the best gameplay….rest of the tennis games look very funny with mechanics…even topspin 25 isnt that good. What sat?
The gameplay looks so bad? The players don’t even slide on the clay???
Virtua tennis much better
Looks absolute DROSS
If I see Novak Djokovic in a tennis game I buy it, simple.
I see no Nole, you see no money.
So I guess this will eventually be your first tennis game in a long time 😅
@@machetegaming indeed! :D
Player movement looks like absolute garbage. Destroys all immersion
Everyone saying it shite, it is not its great game imo
"great" is a big word. Is it really a "great" game for 2024??? You guys are brainwashed. You will recieve a poor game by keeping the standards this low...
@@Mauruud right. I dont know why they keep admiring this standard of game. We will never have hope for a good game with the mind set like this.
@@jespPH9196u don’t need to have hope for anything cuz u can’t do shit about it u can’t make a better one so stfu
Shut up small brain 🧠
Haha 2K players are bitter they got the wrong game. This game is still early access and has way better gameplay than 2K and that's a finished product. 2K makes a great golf game but they failed with tennis.
0:34 "i feel like im playing an actual tennis match", as his player goes from walking to instsntly aprinting at 20mph. LmaO
Lol..this is best tenis game? It is ps3 look like..
just another shitty tennis game, nothing new under the sun...
This looks horrible
Tie break looks terrible 😭. Why you lying ?
They just don't really know tennis. Don't play it themselves. Don't really care about the accuracy of stroke technique or footwork patterns etc
If the movement is good, it will be good. Thats why topspin runs away with it. Their running animations dont feel like animations from a tennis game from 2005