Nissan Leaf Motor Gets Mounted in Reverse?
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You can't change phase of motor if have encoder inside, check out if there if you can change your phase of motor before you find issue, else you may need reprogram a controller else you will get error code
Make this into a hybrid
Why excluding Quebec? What did the Quebec government do again that screws us over.
@@ansp6980 The motor and the controller are separate in the Leaf. The motor is a three phase induction motor. All you have to do to reverse a three phase motor is revers two of the phases (it doesn't matter which ones). He is doing it correctly and I do have the background to know what I am talking about. The motor controller won't need any adjustment as it won't even notice the change.
@@wtftolate3782 That is a lot more complicated that it sounds.
Pull safety plug on top of the battery to make it 'safer' to work with. Also remember to have an access hatch to reach the safety plug in the event of an accident and EMS/towing need to make the car safe for transport. Leaf has a hatch in the floor of the back seat footwell area. Love seeing this coming together
Thank you for that, I did not know that but will definitely use it. Since the floor of the leaf is going in the 48, the hatch should line up!
Yep, some put the plugs in not the easiest of locations.
Think of it like a race car... where do you want the isolator.
I'm glad someone else mentioned it!
Seeing that as a Toyota hybrid certified tech made my arsehole pucker.
Not a 100% but since working at a Nissan dealer now for 14 years having that rear suspension backwards might cause unwanted toe change when turning hard or going over bumps. The normal way mounted in a car will slightly toe in under compression. It's one of those things that was talked about often when the Z car came back in 2003.
I'm concerned about this and anti-squat geometry turning into pro-squat geometry.
The best part of driving an electric car is going by gas stations, particularly when it is cold and people are freezing while filling their tank. Charging your electric car at home (overnight) is like starting every day with a full tank. I loved my little electric car and look forward to my next one. Really excited about this build!
i have a leaf same hes using actually. I have the lowest capacity possible so its almost dead at the end of a busy day for me but times i got to go real far i have my gas volvo s60R still. What i want to do personally is get a bmw i3 with the range extender next personally so i can use it like a ev and still take on road trips cheaply. Its also rwd cant beat it for 10k
Finally something clean and pure that Vince liked to weld. Lol
Love how after nice weld by vince he just cuts it out,sorry vince start again!!take 2...snooky
I'm in shock! about the reversal of the rear suspension. I obsess over things like anti squat, roll/jounce induced toe changes, instant centers, and designed compliance.... BUT I remind myself that this is just a cool cruiser and I cant wait to see how it turns out
Running the rear backwards will change the handling and feel as it will have the wrong squat/antisquat. That said the way this will get driven I'd imagine it's fast or hard enough to even notice.
I think that intro might be my new favorite, sorry JuiceBox, you’re still also great. Feel like it’s been a few vids since I’ve seen Vince. Always enjoy Vince in these. I’m going to predict it now, you are going to drive this car way more than you think you will at this point. Trust me, it’s going to be so fun. I’m only here for the music.
If you dont like the electic part, just enjoy all whats needed to fab this car completely, custom frame and the restoration, its still gonna be a really big and interesting project
Interesting project. I think your perspective on driver experience is very specific to your experience and goals. Having E cars for the last 5 years, I find my nice BMW gas car to be loud, jerky and way overcomplicated, and I enjoy the smooth, quiet and rapid acceleration of electric motor to be fantastic sensory experience. Though those characteristics may be less noticeable in a Leaf. I do agree that range anxiety is real and creates a different pattern of planning and driving from the fuel driven cars, but with the newer cars with larger and fully functional batteries minimize that issue.
Good dog. 10/10 would pet
Yeah I'd be 'talking' to him in the 'dog voice' as soon as I saw him! 👍🏻👌🏻🐶🐾
Just watching the first two minutes and being blown away by how good your editing is and how on point it is. Top notch. Man, that intro. Thanks for the content.
Yeah, that intro is by far the best one yet! I really like it too! All those old clips from the automotive history is put together real well. Aaron is getting really good with this UA-cam videography thingy! 😉🤣🤣🎥📽️🎧🎬🎚️🎤
That big orange connector in the middle of the battery is the service disconnect. You should always remove it before touching any of the high voltage connections or removing the battery. It breaks the circuit to prevent any voltage from being present anywhere outside the battery. You access if from a cover in front of the rear seat after you disconnect the 12v battery.
Vince had a broom in his hands enough to notice. Good work ethic.
Respectfully I have to disagree with the comment that EVs can’t be fun. I wont argue that 1st gen Nissan leafs with 107 hp aren’t fun. They aren’t and weren’t designed to be fun. Similar to a boring econobox four banger with a cvt.
There are plenty of EVs that are fun. The instant torque doesn’t get old. You can get into gaps that even fast ICE sports cars would only dream of. There are no turbos to spool up or gears to downshift. When you hit it, it’s a rush. Plus if you have cars like the model 3 performance, you can still roll donuts and hoon if that’s your thing.
This is coming from someone with a V8 mustang and fast electric car. It’s not the same and there are things that I still love in a combustion vehicle like a manual transmission or V8 sound, but there are also things that I can only do in an electric car.
Awesome video series! I love that you are trying something different!
Agreed.. I love driving my EV. The torque is so much fun, and the car drives like it is on rails... love it!
Agree, the Nissan Leaf Gen 1 is one of the worst EV out there. No wonder it's not the most trilling to use... I can see Rich point's as well. You don't have the same level of feedback compared to an ICE and there's no gear box as well.
So happy to see an EV build finally. Like it or not, the future is electric. ⚡👌
Rich Really trusts his lift with the wonky wheel forks
Very good to see the E V and classic car combo new direction of the channel.😊🎉
Its not a new direction. We just never build the same thing twice. We are building a 59 Fargo DT466 Roll off at the same time. It will be used to tow this car long distances lol
Swapping the phases will change direction of the motor, but you might want to look into resolver feedback. The motor typically receives feedback about the motor position via a resolver or an encoder. If you’re using the OEM leaf controller it might trigger a fault or prevent the motor from spinning if you simply swap phase cables. There’s surely a way around it, but figured I’d mention it in case you hadn’t looked into this yet.
Been watching for years now, love your videos and can’t wait to see how this one turns out.
Someone did it on another channel when they put it in the back of a 240. That was enough for me, if he can do it, so can I
@@DEBOSSGARAGE +1 the motor has a sensor similar to the crank angle sensor on a combustion engine. The interwebs says you have to swap some wires on this sensor too. All the info out there is for the EM57, you have the EM61. I believe the basic idea is the same though the wire colours might be different.
Exactly what I came to say.... swapping phase will swap motor direction, but depending on the controller feedback, it may cause it to shut down or throw codes. That is more like a BLDC motor than a conventional AC motor and the controller needs to know the rotor position to time the output.
EDIT: Oil flow too..... the whole gear train will be spinning backwards for long periods and higher speeds than designed. Some have drivetrain driven pumps, some rely on splash lubrication and some external. And, just because one person did it, doesn't mean it works. Guess we'll all find out.
Reversing a frequency controlled AC synchronous motor (I assume, not knowing how it is wired) rarely is as easy as just swapping two of the phases. I'd have a electrical engineer (a power EE, there are many different specialties in electrical engineering) review how the internal wiring of the motor is configured, and how the Nissan controller supplies power to the leads, and the particulars of how the controller works. You might even contact a Nissan engineer about how to reverse the motor, it's possible that they would be open to helping you. Given the amount of power you are dealing with, some extra caution is probably wise. It's a little like asking one of your daughters to rebuild the CAT diesel in your pickup. She might try, but she doesn't know enough about it to know what things she has to be careful doing.
@@DEBOSSGARAGE What type of gears the Leaf uses? Helical gears or straight cut gears? You might have been influenced by Edison Motors who said that their motors could run forward or backward. But their gears are straight cut, for an off-road truck so noise and vibration don’t matter. You may find normal helical cut gears with thrust bearing on one side. Not applicable to run in reverse duty cycle.
You may find the A/C Compressor is part of the Battery cooling circuit and BMS
Leaf batteries don't have active cooling :(
Nope, not on the old leafs, there is no cooling whatsoever in those batteries.
If the drivetrain is flipped, so reverse goes forward, there may be issues in the transmission.
instead of gears pulling together they will push apart, so thrust loads won't be right.
It doesn’t matter what you work on be it electric gas or diesel I’m here for the sweet fabrication and knowledge
The next episode will be right up your alley. The first all aluminum home made frame that I know of
Great project guys. I used the same model Nissan Leaf donor for my EV conversion and it worked out great.
Don't try to fit all the Leaf control gear into your car. There is no need if you use something like a Zombieverter VCU and it will save you trying to fit the entire Leaf loom along with various modules in your car.
I used a solid coupler to mate the motor to my gearbox so maintained the 4WD in my Landrover Freelander. I made a video series about it if your interested.
I work at a fab shop, mostly repair/refurbish/restore older, classic, vintage, antique vehicles.. of my personal projects, two of them are matching ‘55 Buick Super 56R’s, one I’ve been ‘S L O W L Y’ attempting to restore as all original. The other one was originally acquired as a parts-donor for the 1st Buick. Almost immediately after #2 arrived to me at my place, via a 9 car car-hauler from Tucson, Az to my place in SoCal, we got some light rain… that bit of moisture caused the patina of parts cars’ very straight body, to sheen so nicely that i then wanted to switch gears in getting the “parts car” all fully functional, employing all of the worse-off parts from #1, while setting aside its better condition parts (mostly its “bright work” parts) for #1. Now, #2’a original 322 Fireball Nailhead, although complete, was VERY seized up & requires being rebuilt. I’ve gone back & forth in my mind, of trying to decide if that’s be worth doing (#2, although extremely rusty & cancerous, throughout, is a factory original A/C optioned car) or, doing something along the lines of what y’all did with this classic ChEVy, going “HYBRID” instead tho… thoughts?
Fellow Ontario based custom car enthusiasts - at 10:20 Rich mentions "whoever safeties this..." - Have you had issues getting professionally-done frame work, for example frame notches, performance modifications like replacing solid axle with IRS, engine swaps requiring new engine mounts, or subframe repairs safetied? I've read the safety check list the MTO provides and it's fairly up to interpretation what kind of modifications an inspector can deem safe IMO... For example I'm fitting a front mounted steering rack instead of a rear mounted one in a car I'm working on to clear a new transmission, and therefore moving the subframe member it was mounted to from behind the engine mounts to in front of them. The continuous TIG welds I'm laying down should be leagues stronger than the messy factory MIG stitch welds, so if I were an inspector I'd think "sure it's not OEM, but objectively the risk of failure to hold the steering rack is clearly lower than before and the work was clearly done well, no issues there". Not sure if most other inspectors would share that confidence though.
Amazing start to a cool build! I really like seeing the full skate-board build and it'll be cool to see how you fit the body over it.
Golly I'll have to admit this is quite a project. This will really be a conversation piece from shows to parking lots. So much figuring parts from what to what. Like your other builds you'll have to think a bit of which car gave what. Looking forward to your next edition.
Infinity rear end, Ford front end, Nissan drive line, Chevy body and homemade frame
To be fair about the driving experience with a regular EV is they are designed for people who dont know or want the driving experience. Driving a new Corolla is very similar in the lack of experience. They designed it that way.
This is very interesting to me, as I am doing a Camry 3.5 V6 swap on my old 93 Toyota Celica but was thinking of possibly utilizing the rear for a Electric motor and make a semi-hybrid that would only come on when the Cruise control is set or an on demand button for AWD situations.
A Camry swap has never sounded as exciting!
@@Vaino_Hotti when this car was new it came with a very similar engine as the Camry, just a sportier version of the same 5SFE 2.2L 4-cylinder. The 3.5 2GR V6 just sounds soooo heavenly, and MOSTLY fits under the hood (with minor modification). It has been done to quite a few MR2's at this point, and one 98 Celica that I know of, I'm trying to gather to gather the parts as we speak, but they seem to be in little supply in my area, which is weird for as common as these engines are.
Poor Vince. It will be interesting too follow this build
Nice to know Nick at Bad Obsession Motorsports has his grinder scarecrow and his gussets, and Rich at Deboss Garage has his Sawzall.
Hot rodding of the 2030s, Marty McFly would be proud of you guys! Cool Idea, next sould be the fast car that will outrun the quatro!
Neat to see the guts of an electric car. That cable to the motor sure has tons shielding. If you ever had to make longer run. Make sure to buy vfd cable. It helps prevent interference and protects motor from voltage spikes. I wonder if Edison truck are using those cables
Very interesting build, looks good so far, looking forward to seeing more about this project, enjoy !
I have to disagree. The torque is amazing and so much fun changing lanes- leaving lights. I guess if your just auditory and believe loud is fast then I could see your point. I have to admit to laughing out loud when a loud truck or car leaves a light and they are not going anywhere while making so much noise.
Such a cool project 🎉🎉 Great to see a mix of fabricating/ev/restomod. ❤
The leaf wants a bus engine too !.
It's always crazy to me to see the status of other projects in the background. It really puts your guys' efforts and forethought into perspective! Love the videos!
Good to see Vince helping you
The difference with a tesla is that the insane amount of power makes it less boring cause going o to 60 in 3 sec never gets old
My solution to electric car blah would be to up the stereo game. I’m a musician and like my car stereos. The solution to giving them more character? I like your route. Swaps are the way until someone actually builds an interesting one.
I'm excited about the aluminum fram
Your content is a type of meditation
Thank you, glad to help
if that old battery cell is not going to be used. You should get with a local fire dept to demonstrate a battery fire and how they contain them. Good training for them and we get to see FIRE!!!!
Love the content keep up the great work. Cant wait to see this and the dodge, Edison swap done.
If you get into modding the inverters on these they are total tire burners. Arlin Sansome ( another canadian) is an expert on hacking these things and built a tire melting honda with a leaf motor. It doesn't have to be slow!
Good morning DeBoss!
❤❤❤❤❤Frame looks awesome 🎉🎉🎉❤
Smart man wish I new half as much
This going to an exciting, plus an awesome build. Leave it to Rich to make it all come together.
Rich the pioneer..good stuff!
HELLO FRIEND CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS PROJECT GREAT JOB DON'T GIVE UP 👍👍👏👏👏
The sarcasm has me dying. 😂 Such a cool build!
Thanks!
I don’t get excited too much but im excited to see this project come together, your either a mad man rich or just a genius 😂
Thank you. Maybe a little of both
The gizmos and gadgets in a Tesla should be illegal. It's like driving while looking at your phone. Your phone is illegal and the Tesla has multiple screens with no buttons so you literally take your eyes off the road to use anything
that is most newer cars
But hey, cars these days have incredible safety cages so when you crash you most likely survive. Cars also need those screens and bullshit because you can’t look out of the windows because of the safety cage so you need something to do inside the car. Fiddling with screens is a very good alternative to watching out the windows for traffic and such. The car starts beeping anyway when you are about to hit anything so do need to pay attention to anything else than some screens.
Who needs aluminum? Build the chassis out of Canadian Maple … Sweeeeeet. 😂😂😂😂 oh the build could be called Canadian Maple Leaf!!! 😊😊😊😊
Seeing all the projects that are finished, that are in the background of other episodes unfinished, just shows how many projects Rich has and how much he films. Its awesome tho
Seems like running the rear suspension backwards would mess up the geometry unless you mounted it with some additional caster.
Classic car EV conversions are 🤩
Drama + a sawzall solution - perfect!
So excited for this build, Rich. Staring at a 2CV (Citroën!?!) Leaf swap in the driveway, and my lack of filthiness speaks to how little I’ve done. Good to have you providing some guidance.
I keep looking at the spare gearbox for my 2CV van, it's just asking for a pancake motor like a Lemco to be fitted!
The boss in motion
Interesting project to follow. 👍👍🇨🇦
Loved the sawzall joke
Deboss doggo: That damn goose isn't going to upstage me!!!
7:22 DOGGO!!! 😍🥰
Rich needs to go for a ride in a Tesla model S plaid and feel a 8.75 second 1/4 mile run. Someone close to him take him for a ride !
That’s a nice box.
I took over my brothers Snap On box. He switched from diesel mechanics and now he’s a legit coder. Lol ; who saw that coming? 😂
Anyway, when I get around to it I’m going to powder coat it a pastel.
At least you'll never be bored again. Chasing squeaks and rattles in a fifty+ yr old chassis😂
Every part will be new.
Thinking of the tool sweepstakes... my dads been a mechanic for cars and heavy machines for going on 50 years but i have no place to work on my car haha.. i love doing my own work but working on the street sucks!!! Oneday someone needs to do a sweepstakes for a shop instead of tools lol
Pave the way and ppl will follow🤣
@ClickOnPfrofile0341 youre an imbecile.
Got my diesel-electric hybrid kit reserved #6913! Love the numbers and should give me plenty of time to save for the kit. I cannot wait to see how it comes together.
Nice work! Now I would love to see a small genny to make it an Edison drivetrain. I really want to add a second axle and a generator to my bolt to make it faster and longer range.
This should be interesting.
Beautiful dog, very well behaved. Is she a pure shepherd? Some people are nervous about shepherds but the two I’ve had were both super loyal and smart and were great around kids and were very protective of my kids 👍
Got her from a rescue. Very well behaved and trainable.
Hey Rich,
I was just wondering if you had considered the 300hp electric crate motor from Ford.
They put one in an old pic-up for a demo.
Can't wait to see this old girl rolling down the road!
Is it possible to add a super small lawn mower like engine to run a small generator so it can charge the batt. While it's parked or driving?
Is there an oil pump in the drive gears. If so I'd it by directional or one way like a Tesla motor.
Rich, out of pure interest did Edson Motors contact you or visa versa? Cos if they had watched this video, then they would have been on the phone to you!!! This episode has been an eye opener for me, I knew you were a skilled engineer, but you blew me away when you did your magic edit. and came back with the sawzall and cut the subframe where you did and the space it revealed!! That is why I watch, not only are you a skilled engineer in your own right, you are a damn good fella into the bargain.Thanks for all you do. From UK.
Rich is not an Engineer, he is a Heavy Duty Mechanic. He also had a company building houses. Please leave the automotive Engineering to the ones with the degrees.
Put a crank start Lister generator under the hood 😊
I was checking out a JLG man lift 2017 model and I was surprised to see it had a 2.5 liter Ford gas engine with no emissions
@27:30 it'll work until it doesn't, like all things in life!
Thank god you didn't flip that suspension, that was gonna suck. For the CV axles, I'd just cut and weld em, get some G35 rears. I've had good luck on an old Subaru I did like that. Chopped the axle to length, cut a sleeve to cover the weld and slid it passed, grooved it out by basically chopping the ends into pyramids, clamp the shaft into some angle iron (don't forget to slip on the sleeve, weld it up, grind enough to slip the sleeve over, weld the sleeve.
Any time Rich says "should be fine", take a drink
I still believe that the best approach is a diesel electric hybrid that charges capacitors instead of batteries, saving weight and charging time. The electric is used for accelerating while steady state cruising and recharging is done by the small diesel.
Hey Rich, I know you are a awesome mechanic and also a great carpenter, however, I didn’t know that you were also a plumber! 18:55 😮
Is it just me or is your HV disconnect still plugged in your battery.
I have a MG Midget.... What happened to the STR4 Midget project??? I'd like to see what it looks like finished..😀😀🤛💪 It's been over 5 Years
I love the fact that you are moving forward on the ev projects don't get me wrong I am a diehard internal combustion fan but we all also have to think about future generations and what we leave behind I'll miss the roar of a well tuned snarling big block or even an old 2 stroker Detroit but electric is the future and they make tons of power and torque immediately no boost or nitrous needed they can and will be very cool and scary fast just without the hearing loss and inability to breathe or see through the nitro fumes
Diesel isn't going away anytime soon. I do however, want to know as much as I can about every kind of vehicle.
I'm all for hybrids for distance driving. EV's are ok for short commutes.
Range no problem just recharge from your Edison hybrid pickup make sure to spec a charge point what the way chance says it you got a mobile type 4 charger
90% sure it's going to fit, just means you might need to buy some extra Sawzall blades...
Wanted to do this with a Leaf Battery (no cooling to mess with) and a tesla motor in an old Corvair.
Dang I wish I had a shop I could go to just to work on my projects. But that’s the goal!
Don't let that stop you bro. Barter with a friend for using their garage. Buy a cheap used carport and work under it. Rent a multi-space warehouse garage in the city with other car enthusiasts. What I'm saying is, there are ways to work protected from the elements. Some are better than others and some are more affordable than others.. Ex: I took a friend to work for free for almost two years and then asked him if I could build my hotrod in his garage over the winter. I now have a nice little hotrod truck. Plus I chipped in on his heating oil and bought beers for us all quite a bit just to keep everyone happy. :)
Awesome advice. No excuses
Okay Richard does the electronic motor out of the leaf does it have a transmission?
Corn field customs, does mandrel be the frames.
Watching this is like watching an old-school cowboy try a quad bike, apprehensive, but curious and slowly embracing it.
Spot on
Maybe weld some places on the jig that makes it easy to put on the two post? Oops didn’t realize how long ago you started this.
Very interesting project ev has its place,commercial vehicles that are blah performance and quiet is a good thing, but the leaf fronk k frame was all you needed the g35 rear wasn't needed.