Rant - Do Not Condition Your Brand New Shoes
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2021
- Time again, people have ruined their brand-new shoes by being overzealous with their shoe care regimen when it was not necessary to even start with it.
Here I touch on the misconceptions and reasons why one does not need to immediately start conditioning their brand new shoes straight out of the box.
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Great info. A smart person learns from their mistakes, a wise person learns from others. I appreciate you sharing your real world experience. Most people won’t handle enough shoes to gain this knowledge on our own.
Thank you Robert, I appreciate your sharing
Thank you, Justin. Listening to a professional in his field means a lot. You're the best.
Thank you for your kind words Antonio 🙌
I think having knowledge about the shoemaking process, in addition to your shoe shining experience, gives you a different view compared to most, Justin. This is definitely good food for thought as I continue to get more high-quality dress shoes in my collection.
Thanks for for sharing Christopher! Happy to at least provide a different perspective
Thanks a lot for the info. It helps us not to repeat the mistake. Have been doing this for a while, and luckily did not ruin my shoes. Thanks for the heads up. Looking forward for more videos from you.
Thank you for sharing and my pleasure to help where I can
Love the passion and the honesty!!! We all make mistakes the important thing is learning from them. Great channel BTW
Thank you Chris! And yes we do all make mistakes. It is very much a part of the way we learn. Appreciate the support
Thank you for this, Justin. I can think of more than one well-known shoe care UA-camr (I'll refrain from naming names) who’s made the “it's-been-sitting-on-a-store-shelf-or-in-a-warehouse-for-months-so-the-leather-is-dried-out-and-needs-conditioning-before-wearing” argument. Your refutation of this point makes a lot of sense to me. I now know what not to do next time when I buy new shoes!
Happy to help and thank you for sharing. Appreciate the support
I think he sells product too... which might explain why he says this.
@@Sams911 Who is he?
I think most people on here know who the person is. He means well but isn't in the shoe business. He's a shiner.
I think the biggest clue when your shoes need a shining is if they change color or look dull. THEN apply conditioner. When I first started wearing cordovan, the areas that get bent will change to a lighter color. I applied conditioner, parts of the shoe got much darker in color. Meaning they just soaked up that conditioner. Other times I applied and leather didn't change color.
But yes, there's lots of bad advice from so-called 'experts' on the Internet.
@@ricardorgomez I don't know who the person is.
Thank you for this video. Even Saphir on its website recommends conditioning new shoes with Renovateur to dilate the pores and then with Creme 1925. Every major UA-camr specialising in shoe care has recommended conditioning new shoes out of the box.
I am glad to see this video while starting to build my collection of higher-end shoes. Unfortunately, I am guilty of conditioning my museum calf Carmina shoes with Creme 1925 before wearing them for the first time. I hope they will be ok!
Thank you Rafal. I am glad that you enjoyed it. No idea why all of those people say so. Maybe because they want to sell stuff. And if your shoes didnt strip already they will be fine ;-) a little is okay. Its just when people cake it on. Thank you for sharing
This brings back memories of me stripping the finish off my brand new museum calf santoni's a few years ago. You can imagine the look on my face! I also was using saphir and followed some ill advice. I thought they were ruined for good. Fortunately after much research, and a lot of time, care and patience, i was able to correct the damage. You would never be able to tell what i had done to them before...but honestly, i think i got lucky....whew!
@@csmcilwain thank you for sharing Scott! Glad that you were able to rectify them!
Thanks, man. This was very informative. Have a pair of Allen Edmonds boots coming in on Tuesday and I’ll follow your advice to not condition them out of the box like I’ve been doing to all my new shoes.
My pleasure glad that you enjoyed it. Hope that you enjoy your new boots. Also if they are black, then you can do it ;-) just do so lightly.
@@theshoesnob_official Thanks. They are “dark chili.”
@@eyeheartsushi2212 ah I see. Best to wear first then then condition later ;-)
@@theshoesnob_official Perfect. Will do.
Thanks for the advice. Perfect timing. I just got a new pair a few days ago from Sapatero Manila and I haven't gotten around to conditioning and polishing yet. I'll walk around in it for a bit longer before polishing it.
Thanks and happy to help. Enjoy your new shoes!
Please make more videos like this! Debunk every myth and start a debate, especially about common mistakes we all make, even about shining
Will do ;-)
Thanks for this informative video. Im new to quality shoes, have bought a couple pairs from your brand, and would appreciate more videos like this. Especially one on working with your museum calf oxfords. I love my pair and would hate to ruin them. Thank you.
Thank you Nick and happy to do what I can where I can. Thank you for the support in my brand and will continue to do what I can to provide informational videos
Love the passion. Love the knowledge.
Cheers John!
Thanks for the advice, Justin! Could you inform me more about which leathers are more susceptible to over-conditioning? Or maybe where I might find this info? I have a pair of Meermin balmoral boots with french calf and want to make sure I'm not doing the wrong thing. Thanks!
Hey Ethan, my pleasure. Your question will be challenging. I do mention this in the video. Box calf is usually safe as its color is really impregnated. Any type of crust leather or museum calf or leather for stripping to re-add color like Annonay Vocalou 5048 will be susceptible to alteration from excess mositure/conditioners/neautral wax etc
I totally agree i recently bought a black cap toe of santoni. I put a saphir renenavoter and saphir polish. To my surprise shoe wasn't absorbing it. Any way after few wears now polish start to seep in. Thankfully no damage done to shoe.
Thank you for sharing your story and I appreciate your support
Justin sounds not mad, just very disappointed in all of us.
I love this channel. Interestingly a lot of people that advocate stripping and shining shoes before first wear just happen to sell conditioner in their business.
Thank you for your kind words and support. It does mean a lot. And of course, I am not mad, just frustrated when bad info goes around and affects people that do not know better. And yes, the coincidence you point out is quite the conundrum. Thank you for your support and for sharing
@@theshoesnob_official my only regret is that this video didn’t publish a few months ago when I stocked up on a certain conditioner from France and went to town stripping and ruining a couple of pair. I was gonna cry. A grown ass man. Not my J. Fitzpatrick ones but still a couple of really nice shoes.
Thank you for your service to the shoesnob community Justin!
@@186bingo awww man, I am sorry to hear that. But glad that the JF shoes are still in tip top shape! Remember we have a patina service in house if you ever need that, even for shoes outside of JF. Thank you again for your words and support!
@@186bingo I did the same thing when I got my first nice pair of shoes. I wondered why I couldn't get them to look as good as they did out of the box. Lesson learned.
@@kbrett2004 thank you for sharing Brett
great video, I always wear my new shoes indoor for a combined time of 50 hours, in order to break them in gradually, then give them some polish so they look more presentable
Thank you and yes you are doing it the correct way ;-)
Much obliged for your detailed explanation, Justin!
Despite the fact that the "pre-maintenance" has been a trend in shoe care industries, some part of me has always got a question about how important it is.
Do you think this trend is another marketing technique to sell more shoe-care products or they sincerely believe all the processes: cleaning the "old cream and wax", nourishing the leather with shoe cream, and applying wax if they want?
Hello Ken, thank you for sharing and I am glad that you enjoyed the video. I think a lot of it is to sell. Shoes are precared at the factory. Good shoes stay in good condition. It is very rare that a new shoe needs rejuvenation. So rare that it is not necessary to market it as a "thing to do". If anything a quick brush down of neutral cream polish would be better. Shoe conditions like renovateur are not needed until the leather is quite dry and "thirsty" which take a good amount of wear. People tend to exaggerate, hence the issue at hand ;-)
Hi Justin,
Thanks for taking the time to share your experience. I just want to clarify: when you have a pair of shoes in, say, a museum calf, and they are brand new, will a conditioner (ahem, I'm thinking of the French one) will potentially damage the finish and or the calf leather? I must admit to being a bit 'conditioner happy', but then I generally buy my shoes on ebay second hand. As soon as I get them I sanitise, shoe trees in and condition.
Regards
Tony
Hey Tony, my pleasure and yes said conditioner can ruin the finish if not properly applied. It is a very good product but is super concentrate abd most people do jot realize that and after caking it on have learnt the hard way by stripping their finish.
Sir, many thanks for this. I always thought was it necessary to shine/condition your shoes before you wore them for the 1st time as recommended by other UA-camrs. My other thought is with regard to shoe trees and the justification to cost by some high end companies. Would you advise purchasing the manufacturer shoe trees compared to lesser priced ones? Are there any fundamental differences in the types of shoe trees?
My pleasure. Glad that you enjoyed. The issue with saying anything is "necessary" will always be false. It really is case by case. But the majority will not need to. And this video is not for shoe care experts that know what they are doing. It is for those that are novice and could potentially ruin their shoes. Better safe than sorry I say. Conditioner can be added after the 1st/2nd wear. No rules that need to be beforehand. Thats a sales tactic. You MUST buy conditioner with your brand new shoes. False.
As per shoe trees, reading this might help: theshoesnobblog.com/guide-to-shoe-trees/
I learnt this the hard way by putting saphir renovator on a brand new pair of mto c&j. Pulled off so much of the applied colour. Wont put on any more than light wax on new shoes from this point. Thankfully the shoes in question were quite uniform in colour so shouldnt be too hard to put it back in when I start wearing them.
Ouch! Hopefully you were able to remedy. Enjoy them!
Thanks for the information. This is the reason I only condition my cowboy boots (pretty much all I wear with 50+ pair) with Bick 4 leather conditioner along with my leather jackets and leather lounge. Granted, even my highest end bespoke cowboy boots likely do not have as good of leather as $500 dress shoes costing 1/4 as much simply due to the amount of leather on a boot and thus may benefit greater from conditioning.
Needless to say, I’m not going to question someone of your experience and will heed your advice moving forward.
Thank you for sharing Dale. Glad that you enjoyed the video. Although just to confirm it is not saying to not use conditioner, just not to use it before your first wear.
thanks for the advice. I bought a new pair of leather Chelsea boots and they are shiny and beautiful. I was dubious about doing things on the shoes right now as they are already looking great. I will just use them. Your video came just at the right time
Happy to help. Enjoy them!
Totally agree with you!!! We always condition our shoes before delivery to the customers, and most of them do not know how to take care of them😅
Thanks for sharing!
I bought a pair of Bally leather dress shoes as spare, and kept them in my closet in their original boxes and shoe bags, but with cedar shoe trees. I then forgot about them, until 25 years later. Yes, 25, in a humid room, that only usually gets cooled at night with airconditioning. I checked them and they look like I just bought them today, no issues at all. I conditioned them anyway with Saphir Renovateur, just in case, at least it would penetrate into the inner part of the leather which I don't see.
I guess with quality shoes, as stated in the video, there should be no need to condition brand-new ones, better use them first and condition later when it's time to shine them, like 4 months later (depending on usage). That's what I did with my other shoes, it worked out so well that I forgot about my spares, the other shoes just kept on going (same brand) that there was no need for the spares to come out of storage.
A great story. Thank you for sharing
Hello Sir, I learned the hard way, that leathers are different and you need to be careful with what to apply and when to apply it. Hope your video helps, to prevent others from having to learn the hard way. Very interesting as usual. Thanks
Thank you for sharing and sorry you learned the hard way. But it is the best way to be honest. Hope that you were able to rectify the issues
Hey I appreciate your experience sharing it with us that don’t know much about leather shoes. I just bought a pair of TLB Mallorca the 555 light brown and I saw a lot of guys saying that we must condition them before wearing them. But I came up with your video that it makes sense my question is if I just want to shine the front of the shoe like mirror shine should it be a problem? Thanks again
My pleasure. Leather only needs conditioner if it is super dry. You can lightly polish them. Personally I would avoid mirror shines until you have set the creases
What’s your name and if you have a contact number thnx
Great video thanks for the education! Could you put a video out on renomat/ stripping the wax off of your shoes and how often. As you say there is a lot of bad information on the internet and I’d like to see how a pro does the job. I watched Kirby Allison’s video but was curious what your take was on it as you have experience in many different aspects in shoe world
Thanks Justin, I appreciate it. I dont really have shoes to do this on as I dont do professional shoe shining anymore. Also, stripping wax is not just using one product and thats it. Its about knowing which leathers you can use said products or not as some will take the finish off too very easily. Maybe if I ever have the opportunity too I can but i dont come across beat shoes very often anymore
@@theshoesnob_official thanks for your quick response and consideration. I’m new into the leather shoe journey and have a lot to learn. Channels like yours truly help so thanks for the content
@@justinversoza9673 my pleasure. Enjoy your journey 😊
Thank you for the information.
My pleasure
I'm glad I'm watching this video while I wait for my Wedgewood boots/plum museum leather. I was ready to condition it with neutral saphir. But now I'm not going to treat it until I wear it.
Perfect. You wont need to as it will already be treated. ;-)
i dont wanna be a snitch..but this myth is perpetuated by kirby allison..again i am not a snitch..i am just stating facts here..
Thank you for sharing. Look, the reality is if you know what you are doing, you can do so. I have done so millions of times. But the issue is many do not, ruin their new shoes and point fingers everywhere but themselves. Therefore it is easier to just say don't do something until you become an expert and realize what you can and cannot do based on trial and error. But also the reality is that it is not necessary.
"second grade Allen Edmonds..." Ouch that hits home
Also, what do you think of skipping the conditioner and going right to saphir wax? Would you still do it after the 2nd wear?
I would not. If you have to apply something before wear or after 1st wear I would only do cream polish. Never wax. Wax is only for shine and protection. But it needs a cream/conditioner before application
Thank you Justin.
My pleasure and thank you
Would it not be a better idea to test products on the Tongue? or is it generally a different leather?
That is also a good idea too. But harder to achieve sometimes
Does anyone else think that Mr. Fitzpatrick does one helluva Al-Pacino-in-Scarface impersonation?
Thank you for this advice, Mr. Fitzpatrick. It makes sense. All the BEST!
Hahahaha, never heard that but I will take it! Scarface, is after all, one of my all time favorites!
Thank you for the information Justin. What happens when you condition a shoe that doesn't need it? How do they get ruined? What does stripping of the finish look like? Dullness?
My pleasure. Best to google for that image. The 'finish' is the color from crust shoes so you can see the bare crust leather underneath in extreme cases. Most issues simply create lighter spots than the original color and/or streaks on the leather. Then it is hard to recreate the original color so left with streaky and/or blotchy leather. Not a guarantee to happen but can in many cases
@@theshoesnob_official Thanks for the info. I have recently bought some G&Gs and Corthay's so am very glad you highlighted this!
@@originalvybepromotions7269 nice one! Enjoy them!
I actually met you last year I was walking by your store and noticed all the beautiful shoes in the window I went in not knowing who you was we started talking about shoes. I eventually both a pair brown and suede. Very classy point is I agree with you a thousand pct . There's a few people on you tube that say and do exactly what your saying not to do. This one particular person on you tube i watch because he has talent in doing a mirror shine but he says always condition the shoes cause you don't know how long they are in storage. WRONG I bought a pair of crockett and Jones down the block from you and they were beautiful right out of the box I shined them once since I have them. Anyway just wanted you to know I like your style you tell it like it is...👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you very much for sharing Oscar. I hope that you have been enjoying your JF shoes. And I am glad that you enjoyed this video and the truth behind it. I work hard to educate the people in a honest manner. Some people just do not want to hear it as they are trained to think another way and cannot hear another viewpoint. Oh well, when they ruin their shoes, they will learn, Be well my friend and see you soon in Soho
Totally agree with this topic. Unless you want to do that over rated mirror shine, I say just do what they were intended for. Wear them.
Beautiful shoes Justin. How to keep them always shining?
Thank you. Constant upkeep is the way to keep them gleaming. Or just really good shines that last. And of course being mindful of ones steps
Eye Opening Video!
🙌🙌
Hi I am waiting for a pair of button boots with contrasting colors and while I'm pretty good at polishing my shoes, a series of tips on how to go about it with shoes that have contrasting colors and materials.
The stark reality is just to be careful. I am mirror shining one of those same pairs you ordered for another client and am literally trying to be as precise as possible to not make an error. Thats all there is too it. The only other way is taping but I do not recommend that for most leathers. You probably could on the ascot boot though as I do not think it can take off more color from that pearl suede ;-)
Thank you very much 😎👍
That was great advice. If you are taking a poll for portrait or landscape, my prefrence is landscape. Phones tilt sideways.
Thank you for sharing. It is hard trying to supply to IG and UA-cam at the same time as neither work well with the other
@@theshoesnob_official understandable. The Aurmory has played around with formats a bit as well. And they are doing a pretty great job of it.
@@asherarnold5884 thanks for letting me know. Will check them out
May you show us a ruined pair of new shoes that were conditioned as an example? That would be very illustrative.
If you email me I can try to find the pictures a client sent me way back when. But if you go to facebook and search for #shineyourshoes group, you can actually see a guy that did just that to his newly received chelsea boots
Bought some factory seconds (minor cosmetic issues at great price), but they're sticky/tacky -- uppers and soles. In some places, there's a slight sheen on the uppers. The shoes smell and otherwise look brand new and show no signs of wear. Am thinking about cleaning these with Renovateur or saddle soap and then polishing -- good or bad idea?
What color are they?
@@theshoesnob_official Dark chili. AE 5th Avenues, thanks.
@@stevekaczmarek7738 i would try the saddle soap or cleaner. Renomat is pretty harsh unless you are prepared to remove the finish
@@theshoesnob_official Appreciate it. Great channel!
@@stevekaczmarek7738 you are welcome
Light coloured shoes are a nightmare , conditioning with Saphir makes them super dark. Made that mistake several times
Thank you for sharing
There is some truth here, purchased a pair of vintage Nettleton split toe double thick spade sole circa 1960's from Ebay. These shoes were New In Box and they have the most supple soft calf leather in my shoe collection.
Thank you for sharing Phil!
I got a pair of Hartt shoes (Canadian) from a thrift shop. Brand new old stock. Never worn. Have been stored some where for at least 23 years. (The factory closed in 1999) And actually, likely more than 30 years. They look brand new. Leather looks perfect ' Does not look dried out to me. Found a Pair of vintage Florsheims from about 1984. Still in the box. Same story.
I was wondering what to do with them.
So, Thanks. I will just wear them....
Thank you fot sharing. I do appreciate that feedback. Maybe the problem is just bad leather to begin with ;-) while good leather maintains itself.
I have a pair of Bruno Magli shoes that are like 7 yrs old that I never wore. I thought I should shine them due to this rumor and while not ruined they don’t have quite the same shine they did before.
BM quality is only average in this context but they still held up great for years without any treatment.
If they are black feel free to shine them. This is mainly about non black shoes that can be stained from excess use of products on leather that doesnt need it. Its more a case by case scenerio. But from what I know of Bruno Magli, the leather they use is not for high wax shining. Mainly some cream polish which is fine to apply
What is your opinion about applying a water repellent to new shoes
I never do it. Good shoes dont need it. Just good shoe care regime
True. I usually put a little extra shine on brand new pair of shoes. Just love it. But i've never felt like i should condition them right of the box.
Thanks for sharing
This is correct! Unless shoe has been on display for 5y or so …
Exactly 🙏
I condition new shoes just to soften it up a little. Haven't had any problems so far. Just don't overdo it.
Yes for many it will be fine. But there are a lot who ruin their own shoes and blame the maker. They love to overdo it and then hate to look in the mirror.
That makes sense, shoes should be cared depends on how the leather is dyed...
What about applying a conditioning cream from the inside of the shoes?
Conditioner to the lining and insole? Is that what you are asking?
@@theshoesnob_official Not the insole but the inside linings. The product may be transferred to the upper leather?
@@kyu5378 never done that and again do not think it is necessary. Most new shoes are already treated. And after worn then one can put the conditioner on the upper.
I realize some potential mistakes from individuals who overdo the thing and don't test it on the shoe before so doing. But I do believe judicious conditioning is useful.
On another note do you think mirror shining is appropriate for all shoes?
100% conditioning is useful to longevity. Just not the way 95% of people do it: overkill. I do not think mirror shine is necessary for all shoes, no. Whether appropriate or not is quite subjective. For example, on grained leather it doesn't make sense. Neither on oil greased pull up leather
@@theshoesnob_official thanks. I am learning shoe care etc. To be fair to those you tubers I watch, they always stress testing before use and using tiny tabs and not globs. So you are right. It's just people not listening and messing up their shoes.
@@stryderja9570 thanks for sharing. Yes, always better safe than sorry. People just way too anxious over their new shoes and ruin before even getting to enjoy them. Sadly
Could not disagree more. Had a well known calf skin leather shoes I bought and forgot about them for two years. I wore them and the "feel"was not as supple and the creases started right away and were worse than normal. All because I did not condition them caz I was lazy. Two cobblers told me I should condition new shoes UNLESS they were made to order and just made with me ready to wear right away. Believe what you want. Just use your best judgement.
You are entitled to disagree. Thats fine. It doesnt mean you are correct. Sounds like it wasnt great leather. Also it makes no sense that you dont need to condition shoes ONLY if they are made to order. No logic in that fyi
Read the story above of the guy that left his shoes for 25 years. Proves my point exactly
Justin speaks the truth guys. I ruined the antique finish of my George Cleverley Monks. The subtle dark striations became blotches using Saphir conditioner so i ended up having to remove all that beautiful work. The shoes are a solid brown now and are still gorgeous but I wish the antiquing was there 😢
Thank you for sharing and sorry to hear of your mishap!
First .... And I like to condition on arrival but let's see what you have to say .
So what did you think after watching the video?
Saw a video about conditioning new footwear. Decided to condition a new pair of boots with Saphir. Didn’t know the boots were buffed with carnauba wax. Took me a while to figure out why my boots had a weird, mottled look. Decided to forego Renomat because I was afraid of ruining them further. That’s just my experience. Moral of the story, just wear the shoe!
Thank you for sharing! 🙏
Uh, Oh… Maybe rather than a thank you card from shoe maker in new shoe box, it should instead give care instructions for that specific leather.
Agreed. If only. One thing to aspire to
uuuph man, you saved my loafers
Always happy to help
It's best just to keep conditioning preferences to ourselves and not tell people anything because there's always going to be people who disagree with you. It's just reality. Everyone has had different experiences with their leather shoes and thus have different opinions. Just because your leather shoes look brand new out of the box and shinny doesn't mean the leather isn't dry. You have to wear the shoes in order to find out. Thats why I just can't accept your simpleton answer to whether your 2-1/2 year old leather dress shoes need conditioned or not.
Dont agree either. Anyone can diasagree with me. Thats just fine. If you listen carefully it is not a blanket statement. I admit that you can if you are skilled and know what you doing and your shoes need it. This video is battling those that think its necessary for every single new shoe they buy. That is simply not correct. And I will continue to say so as long as people continue to ruin their shoes. Dont believe me? Why dont you just read the majority of the comments here. Cheers
I think shoes should just include short instructions in what to do. Although most people won't read them, but at least to people that care enough to start doing treatment to new shoes, might take the time to read.
100% agree although each brand's ideas will be different ;-)
-Yes, yes very enjoyable and appreciative of this video Justin!!!
-This stupidity occurs when Jackasses like Kirby Allison yes teach us initially about a lot of quality and craftsmanship, but at the same time try and sell their online store full of spectacular products, but yet don’t mind ruining their own and most importantly their clients shoes with fake myths just to push their own agenda and live like his quarantine series him stripping color of brand new shoes live!!!!!!
- And also another amateur I’m gonna put on blast and call out Preston Soto who uses Hairpsray to experiment to get that immense fake shine to get people caught in his hype to immediately shine after him using renovating cream and nail polish remover to dye a nice new pair of shoes!!
- I experienced this stupidity when I first received a pair of shoes and noticed this color being stripped off.
-Bottom line stick with Justin’s advice, he cares about the education piece and client’s greater good ultimately, yes he does and wants to sell his product obviously for profit, but fairly, not unfairly just making shoe shine videos out of boredom, but that’s why he was an actual shoemaker for Stefano Bemer, one of the if not greatest shoemakers alive and not like Kirby in the Hanger Project and investment banker who acquired and did real well and thought he could educate clients and potential clients thru his bought relationships with Vendors and companies!!!!!
I have never personally seen a pair of shoes be hurt by conditioning them. Except when someone uses the complete wrong type of polish/conditioner for the type of leather they’re conditioning. I’d be interested in seeing the results of shoes harmed by simply using a good quality conditioner, like Saphir or even Bick 4, on them. I’ve never even heard the “don’t condition new shoes” argument before but always the “use the right products for the type of leather”.
It is nearly always crust leather shoes that get 'ruined' per se. It's really just the finish stripping off. And it's mainly due to the amount or product one is applying. It happens a lot as it goes. My rant was extreme as a way to prevent it altogether from happening. A follow up video is in order as more of what you said, 'a use wisely video and know your leathers and products' etc. Thanks for sharing Shawn
When new shoes have, let’s say, an antique patina and you try to use saphir conditioner…sucks …the patina is gone.
@@ahervert551 , I wouldn’t buy shoes that I could never condition. The shoes you’re describing could never be conditioned without completely ruining them.
@@shawnglass108 you can condition them , but you have to wear them for some time before conditioning. As it is explained in the video. That is the whole point. The leather pores open and the finishing is absorbed permanently. After that you can do what ever you want to. People who suggest to condition and polish the shoes right away, before wearing them for the first time, usually, sale saphir products.
@@ahervert551 , I completely understand that there are shoes made where that conditioning them will ruin the patina. I personally have never owned a pair of shoes that were harmed by basic conditioning and I’ve owned a lot of nice shoes. In general, I absolutely recommend conditioning a store bought shoe but to simply use common sense. If the patina of the shoe isn’t shiny then do not use a conditioner that is shiny. If I don’t want to make a leather item shiny but I want to condition it I use Bick 4. I use Saphir Renovatuer only on shoes that I want to shine. Bick 4 is extremely underrated conditioner. It does a brilliant job. It doesn’t change a shoes color (unless the color was because of dryness), it isn’t sticky and it doesn’t smell, it isn’t shiny, It is also much more affordable than Saphir. It’s only disadvantage is that it isn’t good for making a shoe shiny when you want to. No, I am not a salesman. I’m a guy who has been taking care of a nice dress shoe and boot collection for 20 years. I recommend polishing new shoes. Because I’ve seen more than a few new shoes, straight out of the box, that needed it. Obviously, do what works best for you and your shoes.
I think everyone is bound to make this mistake. More guides should encourage this, since I dont think its very well know. They just say that you should maintain it, but by caring so much you can get the opposite result.
Exactly. Thansk for sharing
I disagree because not all high quality shoe makers make your shoes right before shipping them to you. Most shoes have been sitting on the shelves for a year or more. They will definitely need conditioned after a year of sitting.
Sadly that is just factually inaccurate that "they need conditioning after a year of sitting". I have 400 pairs of shoes. I have shoes that hadn't seen the light of day in 2 years and lived in a garage feeling East Coast Winter and Summer i.e. no controlled environment.
Pulled them out and were just fine. "Needing to condition shoes" that are unworn that have good quality leather and went through the shoemaking process of a reputable maker is just brainwashing to sell products. Also "most shoes" have not been sitting year or more. Businesses would be out of business if that was a fact.
Sorry, but I always put a light conditioning on my new shoes before I wear them. I usually use a Saphir conditioning product. I wear a quality shoes and have had many pairs for years. Always keep them with shoe trees and in shoe bags and boxes.
If you listen carefully, I mention that experienced people can do so if they please. But most of the time it is not necessary unless the leather is dry, which usually doesn't come from the top makers
@@theshoesnob_official Even if its from a premium shoe maker I always condition out of the box. Thanks for the response.
@@ChefDuane my pleasure.
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It’s not necessary to condition a brand new pair
@@krystjanchanerley9288 I think it is. So I do.
Why would not the Shoemaker or salesperson pass on information regarding not to apply cream or polish to new shoes? It seems to me, that by doing so, would benefit the maker and the salesperson.
In all honesty it is very obvious when a shoe doesnt need it versus does need it. People do it out of habit/bad info/because they want to despite what anyone says as they have believed something they heard from someone they "trust". A person would usually more trust a blogger or influencer etc than a salesman or a shoemaker.
I ruined the antique finish of my Antonio Meccariello
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully you manage to recover them
Not agree at all bro....i just got my new pair of shoes , got a walk trough the water for 10 min walk, they got totally dry and almost white....after i condition them they were totally fine . Not cheap stuff , not bad stuff...
not sure if you actually listened to all of what I said. You said you wore the shoes and then conditioned them. Completely fine. This is about people that condition the shoes straight after pulling them out of the box BEFORE wearing them
Okay, okay, I feel sufficiently brow-beaten. But isn't saddle soap okay?
Saddle soap can also strip. In fact it is often used for stripping. Good shoes just need to be worn. All of their care comes later
@@theshoesnob_official Hmm, I use it often to soften and mold my shoes to the shoe tree (I like a high instep) and have never noticed a stripping effect, possibly because I don't wet the soap a lot and then scrub my shoes with it but instead moisten it only enough to make it creamy so the leather will get the benefit of the emollients in the soap. I haave 4 pairs of Allen Edmunds in my collection and they all go "Mmmmmm," when I do them.
@@errolmacdonald3256 if it works for you then by all means keep doing what you are doing. Again, if you listen carefully this is not a hard fast rule that I say. Its a cautionary suggestion as many many many people have ruined brand new shoes by being overzealous with conditioning brand new shoes.
@@theshoesnob_official Gotcha! And I should say my shoes don't have any fragile patina work to worry about...
@@errolmacdonald3256 then you are all set ;-)
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@@theshoesnob_official Well…. that makes sense!
A 4-minute presentation stretched to 18:38 mins of tedious monosyllabic repetition. My advice - write a script - get an adult to check it then read it.
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Single worst advice I have heard before. Light conditioner on new shoes is almost always warranted as it not only speeds up break in, but a shine being present does not in any way mean the leather is conditioned, it means it has been burnished. It could or could not be conditioned. The issue here is his inexperience or confusion between over conditioning and proper conditioning. Shoe polish and waxes naturally also break down over time, this is why you see cracks in older polish. They dehydrate and shrink even on the shoe as it does in the tins…… light coat of conditioner and a solid polish before the first wear is only smart and this video is simply not.
Sorry but you are not correct. But feel free to believe what you want. Conditioning is not necessary before wear. It can be done. Sure. But it is not necessary and often leads to blunders on most shoes oustide of box calf. Also I know all about what shoe creams and waxes do. I shined shoes professionally for a while and was pretty decent at it.
@@theshoesnob_official if that’s the case then how do you ignore the fact that shoe leather over time dries out, that polish over time even when appropriately applied dries out? I think most of your advice in this video is simply wrong.
The only part I could find that is appropriate is the caution to use small amounts of conditioner, but should have been use small amounts of all products always (conditioner, polish, dye).
The worst was your bit about vegtan. As a leather worker I can even assure you that you should absolutely condition and protect natural vegtan before using or wearing as it has none of its own as it’s removed as part of the tanning process. I would expect a professional to understand these very basic tenets.
@@PSBeard shoe leather dries over time from the elements, come on. If you are a leather worker you should know that. A well-conditioned shoe can last years in a box untouched and be just fine.
It gets dried from excess dust (from outside use), rain, dirt, snow etc. Not just sitting in a box. You are hell-bent on proving me wrong but I have been shoe caring for years and brand new shoes made by good companies receive the treatment they need to wear the shoes out of the box. They do not NEED to be conditioned.
Claiming otherwise is either because you sell a product or do not know leather as well as you think. And VegTan leather is highly absorbent, the most in fact. And very susceptible to change through excess moisture so yes, you can easily damage it if not careful with concentrate shoe care products. And again, your comment about vegtan was assuming the shoe was not already treated by the factory i.e. protected. It was not a slab of leather untreated. But either way, it sure did not like the conditioner I put on it as it completely stripped the finish.
Keep thinking you are right. It won't change my mind and you are not the authority to say I am wrong. Countless individuals have ruined their shoes from putting on conditioner before use. And again, you act as if I am writing to never use conditioner. Maybe listen to what I say instead of trying to prove me wrong. I was am still am a shoe care expert. I do not do it as often as I used to but I do know leather very well and how it reacts to various treatments.
@@theshoesnob_official you’re killing me Smalls. If the shoes were already conditioned and waxed as you’re trying to claim then applying any reasonable amount of conditioner would not matter as the wax polish would prevent virtually any of the conditioner from absorbing into the leather.
As the very minor amount of shoe wax your asserting is applied to the shoe by the factory sits in the box the volatile organic chemicals would continue to evaporate and just like the wax in your tins it would shrink. Light, weather, and the movement will absolutely break down the wax quickly, but trying to assert that the again extremely light coat of wax applied at the factory if any is not breaking down over time shows a true lack of understanding of what you’re talking about.
As far as stripping finish from a vegtan shoe, we’ll that would only happen in really three possible circumstances. First, a truly bad dye/ or application of said dye. As you yourself mention vegtan can be like a sponge and will suck dye deep into itself. Dye should be applied prior to refatting/ or conditioning the leather. Secondly is you weren’t using just conditioner. Or third, it was never conditioned in which case the dye pigments on the surface will usually transfer off, but the asborded color would remain. If it’s the last then your argument is invalid as it was never conditioned or protected, if it’s the first it’s just poor workmanship, and if it’s the second…. Well let’s say we know why you’re no longer a full time shine boy.
I’m a third generation leatherworker and I can assure you that I’ve probably forgotten more about leather than a part time shine boy has ever bothered to learn in the first place. In summation, if the shoe was already treated as well as you’re trying to claim conditioning and polishing them in any reasonable manner could not possibly damage them because of claimed protection.
@@PSBeard I do not have more time to argue with you what I know to be true. Not interested in proving you wrong. If you do not think shoes get cream polished/waxed/treated at the factory you literally know nothing about shoemaking.
Honestly I have bought shoes that I know have been sitting on the shelf for 2-3 years.. I did lightly condition it before I wore it. It turned out ok. For me it’s just a habit to condition my new shoes lightly..
Thank you for sharing.