The Wheel of Time An Introduction.
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For those wondering Wheel of Time was considered probably the biggest thing for High Fantasy after Tolkien, with George RR Martin ASOIAF basically only eclipsing it when the GOT TV show started it. It`s so cool seeing people coming back for WOT
I really liked George RR Martin with ASOIAF, but it isn't High Fantasy--it's a Renaissance-faire themed political drama
Would Terry Goodkind’s The Sword of Truth have any place in this esteemed books-to-tv fraternity? Legend of the Seeker did get (almost) two full seasons.
The Amazon series comes off as a CW Tween drama to me.
You don't quite understand what you are talking about otherwise you wouldnt have said that people just live out there luves with nothing changing and everything is just fate. You litterally are denying the enture point if peoples choices. And no the taveiran are bound to the pattern 1000 times stonger than anyone else idiot
Tbf ive read/listened to both and GOT is good but its just about fantasy but not High fantasy
OMG.... I am so glad you have started making content for The Wheel of Time. Big fan of The Wheel of Time here!!! 🎉🎉🎉❤😊
Same!
@@TheGreyLineMatters Stop being a Troll-oc please!
Really wish he made more videos over WoT😭
Yes, me too! But please, Robert, stay away from the show. If you haven’t already started watching, don’t. It is horribly disappointing. There are some very deep morals and issues in the books that the show neglects, ruins and even seemingly outright mocks. Many of the characters are completely misrepresented. The varied and unique characters that fans of the books love have all been turned into melodramatic husks.
I love The Wheel of Time! My office was just a few hundred yards across campus from the office of Brandon Sanderson, the fellow who finished the series for Robert Jordan. Sanderson had quite the fan club there amongst the students.
😭😭😭
Oh I'm shedding tears of joy now.
I loved your GoT and LoTR and now you're serving me this too.
Agreed, agreed, agreed. 😃
I'm with you on this so hard.
I am just now finishing up a re-reading of the WoT series. Listening to you discussing the characters and events may force me to start at the beginning once again. Well, there are no beginnings or endings to the Wheel of Time, but it would be *a* beginning :)
“History is a wheel, for the nature of man is fundamentally unchanging. What has happened before will perforce happen again.” Archmaester Rigney
There's also mention somewhere of a House Jordayne of the Tor, or something like that. He gives the series and author a couple of nods and wrote a nice blog post at Jordan's passing.
The single defining feature of humanity is that it's constantly changing. So I cannot say I agree.
@@mEmory______he's quoting a character of ASOIAF that Martin created to honor his friend Robert Jordan, who also wrote the foreword of his "Game of Thrones", as Jordan was already a successful author by then. There are many nods to him and WoT in ASOIAF, on top of the 2 already mentioned.
@@questionsroxelane3643 guess I don't agree with said character
You have NO IDEA how excited I am that you’re covering WoT content too now!! You’re my favourite channel on the whole of UA-cam and I’m DELIGHTED you’re doing this too now!! Thank you!!!!!!!
excited*
@@Mello675 autocorrect fail, haha. I was too excited to pick it up :)
This has to be one of the clearest and most concise descriptions of the wot world. Absolutely amazing! Great work Robert!
I love the books. The show makes me cry. So much potential and they turned into that.
This is perhaps semantic but if you delve deeper into thematic elements later it could be important; the difference in Saidin being a raging torrent to be mastered vs Saidar as massive; yet gentle, river that simply requires acceptance is important.
It does NOT seem to be in any way related to the Dark One's taint. 5:10 in the video made me want to chime in.
Love that you're covering my favorite here. Your Tolkein videos have always been exceptional!
Very glad to see you engage in the Wheel of Time. I have enjoyed all of you LOTR and GOT content. Besides you have a voice that is very easy to listen to. Thank you!
I spend about half my fantasy-lore time in the Wheel of Time community, plus you're my favourite LOTR creator, so seeing you tackle these 4.5 million words of lore is super exciting. I hope you can continue! Free will in the Wheel of Time is a whole interesting debate. I think free will does exist, despite the pattern weaving as it will. The entire end of the book (being vague) suggests this. The pattern does push events towards people, and it 'knows' likely choices because it knows the people making the choice, but each person still does choose. Dark friends have chosen that path and it matters what people do for the outcome and their morality. But this topic is a whole debate!
There's also the point that, while ta'veren are largely subject to the whims of the Wheel, being nudged into fulfilling their destined roles, most people, while they can't change the course of history in any but the smallest details, are correspondingly more free to choose their own actions since, for example, who they marry isn't going to make a difference...
The illusion of choice... If you give a baby a choice between 2 similar toys, did you really give them a choice? On the other hand, did they think that they had one?
Actually, the ta'veren exist precisely because of free will. They are made to "correct" the current "web of destiny" according to the design of the Pattern. From one turn of the Wheel, there might be differences small enough that they may look alike seen from far enough. Yet, looking at 2 turns very far apart, you might not recognize the similarities at all anymore. But those changes must be gradual enough, thus the existence of ta'veren to keep the Pattern on the right track every turning. If you want a very visual explanation for that and much more, look at the channel "Unraveling the Pattern", he's awesome!
Till shade is gone, till water is gone. Into the shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder's eye on the last day.
I can't wait for the Aiel Video.
I worked at a bookstore 25 years ago, it was my first job... I remember always seeing the WOT books and pondering whether or not to give them a try, as I loved the handful of Conan novels that Robert Jordan wrote. I never did though, and I just recently started watching the TV show just because...
And now here I am, because I knew IDG would have videos on the subject... And I see myself picking up the books in the very near future.
Glad to hear you speak on WoT. It's one of my favorite series❤
I never looked into TWOT series . However, going back this video…. This exactly the kind of fantasy I would read…. Thanks.
My met my wife at jordancon the con for this series. We named our son Therin after the Lord Dragon. This series means alot to my family
Robert, glad you have picked up on WOT. I look forward to your reviews.
Love your content! Now i love it even more. Keep The Wheel of Time videos coming!
Hope to see more WoT content (especially books) from you. One of my favourite series and you're by far my favourite fantasy-series related youtuber. The WoT community would definitely be made better by your insights and analysis.
I became a subscriber back when you were working through the travel guide to Westeros. Thrilled to see you tackling WOT! Maybe a travel guide to Wheel of Time in the future?
Robert, I am a Wheel of Time fan. I was so very excited for you to do videos on this. Why did you not do another?
This is great. In my channe l dedicated to the Wheel of Time, I tried to base the way I narrate mostly inspired on your way of speaking, so finally seeing you make WoT content is special. Great intro!
I believe it's true to say Saidin was always like a raging torrent, independent of being tainted by the Dark One. Even when pure, it behaves in a similar way, part of RJ's gender dichotomy.
Also Eamonns Field wasn't matriarchal, but had balanced forces of the Village Council and the Women's Circle (although arguable at times if the WC was the real power!). 😊
Yeah, as RJ has it women guide their power, while men wrestle theirs into submission :) The man definitely had views on the difference between male and female character...
I got the impression that Emond's field held to egalitarianism after Aemon and his queen's example. The Councils and the Circles like to joke and spar, but I think deep down both recognize the essential services of the other groups (with the joke being that the women's circle almost always has the upper hand).
I'm glad someone already made this comment, because that was my understanding too. It's not 100% clear if Robert (of In Deep Geek-not Jordan) misunderstands this, or perhaps just communicated it poorly in so short a video.
The difference between men wrestling with Saidin and women gently directing Saidar is just a microcosm of how Jordan portrays men and women in general. The Village Council vs the Women's Circle is much the same. The Council is technically in charge. They set the rules and enforce them, apart from "women's matters". And yet the Women's Circle is very effective at persuading the Council to do what they want.
There is at least one time when one of the boys says something to Mat about thinking if his father ever really did anything his mother truly didn’t want him to do as well.
From what I read on Jordan’s blog this rather reflected his view of the proper relation between men and women. He basically says I do what my wife wants most of the time because mostly it is unimportant, but every few months I just do something completely contrary to keep her from growing contemptuous of me.
Thank you for this! I’m watching the show but it’s confusing. I look forward to more videos on this show from you. Thanks!
Show went very far away in ideas and their realisation from original. Read the books, they are way better, especially after author finds its own style, diverging from Tolkien inspirations.
If you want more explanation on the lore, spoiler free, while you wait for Robert's videos, you can enjoy Lauren of "Unraveling the Pattern". He's my fav YT content creator on WoT, followed by Rebecca of "Reading the Pattern", though she's more into analysis than explanations of the lore.
Welcome in the fandom!
1.) Super happy you’re covering WoT now! Huzzah!
2.) I’d dispute your description of Saidin here. You say that unlike Saidar which is about surrender and nurturing, wielding Saidin is like a struggle and a fight, and that’s true. But you said the *reason* Saidin is a struggle is because of the Taint. It’s pretty clear in the books that Saidin is that way just because that’s how Saidin has always been-the nature of Saidin and Saidar more or less line up with the mythical traits associated with their respective genders. The Taint is (like you said) a nasty oil slick on top of the Saidin that you can’t help but get gooped up with, but Saidin itself being a struggle isn’t really anything to do with the Taint iirc.
You are totally correct! I think there is even one of the short anime "Origins" that explains it.
Been reading all the books. Absolutely phenomenal in so many aspects. Right now I'm reading the last book and it just gives me goosebumps how much of a journey this has been.
And you're not done with the rollercoaster until the very end, or even beyond since "there are no beginnings nor endings to the reread of the Wheel of Time" as Josha Stradowsky said... lol there are still secrets to unravel even after 10 rereads or more,
So thrilled that you're doing Wheel of Time content! It's perfect for your channel and depth of analysis you bring.
Really glad you're covering this series. I just started listening to the audiobooks not long ago and love your other content.
Glad you're finally covering the Wheel of Time; it's my favorite story!
Just finished a memory of a light a few months ago and have started watching the show. Very happy to see you covering the series finally!
I got chills hearing you read the intro. I started listening to you years ago and love your Tolkien and GoT stuff!! Super excited for you to cover Wheel of Time and hope there are more. This is by far my favorite fantasy series and the one I've read the most.
I enjoyed the story, i couldn't get past the changes made for the show to watch more than part of the first episode though.
Jordan is the reason I refuse to start a series that isn't finished. GRRM solidified that reasoning, though i believed a co-worker back in 2011 that the last book was about to be released(though i guess it could be considered "the last book") and started reading it.
That was a great introduction! I binged through the books two years ago (thanks to the magic of audiobooks it only took me a few months :) ) but now only remember the bare bones of the lore. (Enough to not be very happy with the Amazon show though :/ TBH the second season I stopped watching after the 2nd episode simply out of boredom. It simply doesn't even have a quarter of the oomph that the books have! )
I'm watching the show and reading the first book now. I'm so happy that you're covering it! Thank you! So far, I'm enjoying the obvious Tolkien inspiration.
Do NOT read the books if you want to keep enjoying the TV show
@billybob01234567 I'm only 1/4 the way through the first book. Am I at least safe to finish the first one?
@@Pixdust77He just means the books are far better than the show and will make you sad that the show was even green lit.
@David-nh7px Most books are so much better than the shows, so I'm expecting that, but my question was more along the lines of how far the first season got in the books? I don't want to get ahead for the very reason you stated. What do you think?
@@Pixdust77 If you don’t want any show spoilers finish S1 first before finishing Book 1. The ending different but if you want to avoid any spoilers that’s your best bet. S2 is covering books 2 and most of 3. S2 has been so much better than S1, if your enjoying S1 you should be excited for things to come! Welcome to the Wheel of Time family!! 😊
I would love more introductory videos like this! I enjoy getting into big fantasy worlds but they're also so intimidating when i want to start one.
Need more of the Wheel of Time Content. Deep Dive on each book would be an awesome series to listen to from you.
From a "WOT Purist": very well done!
I *may* have squealed with delight when I saw that you are covering the Wheel of Time... :)
Yeah me too, I think we harmonised! 😅
I'd been hoping you would release videos about WoT. Really glad to see this, thanks.
So glad you started this. My wife is huge into this and having you explain it will help me keep up!
I’ve had this intro 1:17 memorized for nearly 30 years, back when hardly anyone knew about these books. So many memories hearing it.
I have read up to the third book. What I like about the books is the complexity of the world. It was a tapestry of interests and ideologies like with the Dark Friends hiring worldwide and the Children of the Light being religious extremes who think they are doing the right thing. I have watched some of Civilization Ex's versions which explore the lore of popular fantasy and sci-fi stories and I do like the idea that the world was once more scientifically advanced but has regressed. By the second book, the series introduces ideas of multiple universes.
I also like that WoT is more ground-level compared to ASOIAF (which I love), since George R. R. Martin's work was more focused on powerful nobles.
Woohoo! I'm been hoping you'd cover Wheel of Time for a while now. I love the books and am currently on 10 of 14. I think this lore dense world where plot points are often unclear from overly mysterious writing (wait, person A was secretly this Forsaken character the whole time? Honestly I had no clue) is a great world for deep dives like yours.
Couldn't agree more 😂 best read ever.........I enjoyed the lore and World building so much 😀 I can't express enough how much I love the series ❤️
I think this is the best introduction to my favorite series that I've ever seen! Short, simple, focusing on most important things for the first time reader :) Will here any friend I'll recommend WoT in the future! Great Job!
Robert, I have been a big fan of your commentary on both ASoIaF and Tolkien's work, for many a year. I had always wondered if you would ever give WOT the same treatment you have done with the other two worlds, so am very pleased to see this video.
I hope you can bring your balanced commentary, regarding the novels and any screen adaptation, to RJ's work, as I feel this has been lacking from other UA-cam creators.
Hoping you have the dark ones own luck in this endeavour (unlike anyone's coverage of The Witcher). It's time to roll the dice!
Have you watched "Unraveling the Pattern" and "Reading the Pattern"? They are my fav YT content creators about WoT, precisely coz they are very level-headed and understand both the lore AND what a successful adaptation needs. I'm glad to (hopefully!) add Robert to Lauren & Rebecca's voices as I think he's got what it takes indeed to tackle such a rich world!
I was wondering if you'd ever get around to covering the Wheel of Time, glad to see you take up the banner! Minor corrections though: the Wheel of Time is a *fifteen* book series, including Book Zero, New Spring. Which happens to be my favorite book in the series. Also, Emmon's Field isn't Matriarchal specifically. Yes there's a Women's Circle, but the main governing body is the Village Council, which is all men. It's hinted that the two groups split duties, but the male POV of Eye of the World seems to think the village council has higher authority.
I just started reading the Wheel of Time a few weeks ago I’m so glad your making a video on it
I hope you keep going until the end! Im almost at book 6/15 now and its an amazing book series. ^^
@@felixdittrich5469 Fair warning: a lot of readers find the pace bogs down for books 5-8 (or so) before picking up again, with book 11 going at breakneck pace (before Jordan died and Sanderson came in to write book 12, which became a trilogy)
Ooooh. Excited for more deep dives into wheel of time lore!!!
Very cool video, I started watching Wheel of Time because Blind Guardian wrote a song about it. They're one of my favorite bands because of their Nightfall in Middle Earth album.
Niiiiice I love that you’re doing WoT! Can’t be covering the best in fantasy and missing them out.
Glad to see you start tackling the Wheel of Time! I was always surprised that you hadn't made any videos on it, and I'm looking forward to more!
I'd been wondering when In Deep Geek would get round to WoT. Robert would make a wonderful narrator for audiobooks. Love this channel.
THE WHEEL WEAVES AS THE WHEEL WILLS!!! Robert doing Wheel
of Time content!!! cant wait for more deep doves into this expansive world!!
4:54 Minor correction here, Saidin was always a "raging torrent", even before the Taint. That's just part if its nature rather than a result of the Taint. The books describe it as a raging sea of fire filled with mountains of collapsing ice, and throughout it is the rancid Taint. Other than that, great video! I hope some day we get more WoT videos 🙂
Wow!! Am I dreaming or IDG actually did drop a WoT video. This is awesome! So so excited for more of your WoT videos ❤
I'm really excited to see you cover this lore. WoT was my favorite high fantasy up until Robert Jordan passed away. I felt like I understood and was knowledgeable about the secrets and how things tied together, but I always learn something from your content so I'm stoked to see what you dig up.
Hi Robert! Its everyone!
Already watched your GOT videos, just started reading WOT and there isn’t enough content on it online. Thanks for contributing!!
Being a big fan of the Wheel of Time - it is the book series I read most often - I'd love to see more content on it. I really appreciate your videos on the economy and politics in Lord of the Rings and would love to watch similar analyses of The Wheel of Time.
Hope to see more of this!
would love to get more content on the wheel of time! ive read the books and seen both seasons of the show so far, but there is so much there and its been long enough since i read the books, it would be wonderful to get some content on the differences between the two. or even really just more about this wonderful series in general, in your normal style, character dives, power levels etc.
WoT book reader here - thanks for this solid video introduction for a general audience 👏
Well done sir. An excellent introduction.
More wheel of time please. Read the first four lengthy books back in late 1990/2000 but lost track after that.
Ooooh yes, I am so here for this. One of my absolute favorite series of all time!
Oh my gosh! I was just wishing last night that we all had you to explain this to us.
I’ll be happy to watch all of your upcoming WoT content. I started on the series when book six was the most current, worked through the infamous middle slog, and enjoyed the Sanderson finish.
But I haven’t revisited the series since it concluded. I liked the first season of the show even though it had some major flaws, but they also made some fascinating choices.
I’m very curious to hear your take on all of it.
YESSS YOURE COVERING WOT!!!
Oh Robert, obrigado! Eu amo voce.
I have been hoping against hope that you'll give a 101 on this. Patience is in deed a virtue.
Nice. Glad you are going to cover. I have not read the books, but am thinking about it now. I am really enjoying the series this far and am worried it is going to get cancelled
Now that I have watched this, there is a better understanding about the series. Thank you In Deep Geek 🤓
I was expecting this one. It's perhaps the largest epic that actually completed
I mean, 14 main books, a prologue, a making of and a world of. I know of a few other fantasy epics this large or larger but those seem intent on being eternally ongoing series.
Always appreciate your intelligent & articulate breakdown of complex topics.
I always recommend your channel to anyone interested in the subject matter.
Taverian are bound more tightly by the wheel than most people
Stumbled on your channel by accident - some random LotR topic - and was glad to find a WoT video, if even just one. Would LOVE to see more of it, though, as it is an amazing work of fiction and by far my personal favorite among those you've covered, with TONS of areas for deeper exploration, even among those of us who've read the books.
Awesome!!! Finally a solid introduction to the wheel of time !!! Thank you
Beautiful introduction video! I really enjoy your other content and hoped that you would do WoT. I watch a lot of other WoT channels but I would so LOVE to see how you would approach/analyze WoT content. Keep up the amazing work!
Looking forward to the Lan video and his march amongst other things. Great work - keep it up.
Thank you, Robert. My husband and I started season 2 of the show last night and had forgotten so much (and haven't read the books, obviously). This is going to be so helpful lol.
Incredible! This will be on my must read before I die list!
Was just talking a few days ago about how I wished you went into Wheel of Time.
Robert, you've piqued my interest. I wasn't intending on watching The Wheel of Time in an effort to spend less time in front of the TV but now I know what I'm doing tonight.
Thank you so much for covering this series… I never knew this series existed. Now I’m gripped! Wow.. just WOW!
Nitpick: while every book in the series officially begins with "The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend..." they all start with a prologue. In the case of the first book, the prologue shows the end of Lew Therin Telamon, Lord of the Morning, the Dragon, before beginning chapter one with the wind blowing into the Two Rivers...
I'm so looking forward to your application of your thorough and insightful analysis to new works of literature.
So happy to see your take on these books.
wow, might have to start watching the show now! this was an amazing and encapturing overview. great work!
So excited for this new endeavor
Happy to see your video I am loving the show ❤
Thank you. I definitely needed this recap for season 2. I may tackle the books eventually but the amount of them is a bit intimidating.
You really don’t. Show already broke several core principles of WoT story, and it won’t get better or closer to the books.
@@Alpha___00 That may be true but I still needed the recap to follow the plot of season 2 (regardless of the changes from the source material).
So happy you're doing this, Robert! 😃 If someone adapts The Belgariad to the screen I hope you make videos for them, also. Also, will someone on social media ask the universe for a Belgariad adaptation?
I'd be terrified of what they would do to that work.
@@johnwright6706 We all fear our favorites being depicted - LotR was great, Shannara was not. I'm willing to roll the dice.
David Eddings has supposedly declined many offers about adopting the Belgariad
@@MoviesNStuff I believe that. A lot of authors are very... Salinger in their own ways. I still cast the film/show in my head from time to time, though.
I am glad you are starting to cover WOT.
No freakin way! I'm so happy! You are the best and this is my favorite series! Please keep it coming.
I've been watching your videos non stop these past few weeks and the fact that you are doing the wot is amazing! Keep doing what you do!! ❤
😊😊we want more of this
Just finished reading this series two weeks ago, so great timing! Excellent series
Sanderson is an excellent author as well, if you made some Cosmere content that would be awesome!
Robert, I think you mean "What WHEEL be, WHEEL be." 😂 Sorry for the dad pun I'll see myself out, keep up the great content!
I will add another quibble. You suggest that most people find their choices predetermined by the Wheel, and only the ta'veren exercise free will. It's described rather the opposite in the books. If you're an ordinary person, the Wheel doesn't much care whether you become a fisherman or a soldier. It will simply incorporate your choices into the larger pattern. But if you are ta'veren, then the Wheel has chosen to weave some key feature of the pattern around you, in particular. It takes hold of your life with a heavy hand, and you will play that role whether you wish it or not. Ta'veren have quite a bit less freedom and agency than the rest of the world! Mat's entire story is a perfect example of this.
Well not rather you want to or not. The people through the doorway told Mat he would go to Rhuidean because if he didn’t the Pattern would have no more reason to keep him alive and he would die. He had a choice. It just wasn’t much of one.
This was a welcome surprise! Just finished the last book 2 days ago