Is pushing veganism offensive?
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In today’s video, I chat with a student from UCSD about his ethics around eating animals. We debate whether issues such as the legality of eating animals, the cultural significance around animal products or the amount of time we’ve been eating animals are relevant when it comes to deciding whether or not it is moral to not be vegan.
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“I’m mostly plant based” “I eat chicken once a day” bruh
Yeah, I was expecting an "every now and then" when he followed up with "I eat chicken", lol.
Then again, i guess if by that he means like a chicken salad with small chunks and otherwise a plant-based meal plan, he's _technically_ correct.
Yeah, most diets are MOSTLY plant-based in some way. Means nothing.
"and I also eat some dairy products, and also eggs"
my dude xD
The takeaway from this isn't what he said, it's how Ed responded. As in, he wasn't reactionary to the contrary statement, which is what we can all learn from in terms of steering the conversation towards more agreement instead of calling out peoples hypocrisy.
He's mostly plant-based, except when he eats.
3:22 "Personally, I consider the animals living beings."
What a concept.
Concept indeed
living... not even sentient still
as are plants, insects, fungi and bacteria. Viruses are in a bit of a grey zone for me.
@@sag3_v It's a little confusing, but sometimes when people say "living" they meant sentient depending on context. We can ask people to clarify.
He said "personally" but it's not a personal opinion animals are living/sentient beings, it's scientific reality.
When he said that, it sounded like how some people called some people subhuman.
rofl
We live in a world where asking people to stop being cruel towards animals is considered offensive. I never realized how horrible some people were until I started speaking out against animal cruelty. The mere act of me not eating meat at a table triggers so many. It blows my mind.
I’m with ya man. It blows my mind too and over time (I’ve been vegan 5-6 years) my opinions of others gets lower and lower. Not others in “my circle” I just mean humans in general. It made me realize how awful we are as a species because we aren’t rational beings, we just rationalize all the terrible things they do. Every other animal on the planet that does awful things (eating young, cannibalism, etc) don’t do it because they don’t feel like changing, that’s just how they work. Humans on the other hand have the ability to question everything, but we do whatever we damn well feel like it to get a dopamine hit for a few minutes. It’s wild.
Do you cry like a loser when a chicken eats a rodent, or do you only cry like a loser when a human eats a chicken?
People have clung on to that “animal products are awesome!” idea a LOT. Because they’ve been spoon fed bullshit about how animals are just worthless objects that exist for protein, burgers, clothes and zoos. And if you argue against something that’s immoral but the majority is fine with it, you’ll be labeled as the annoying guy trying to ruin people’s fun. Ignorance is man’s best friend.
@@GeddyRC 👍👍👍👍
The point here is... U can do anything with the animals you own.. If u kick or kill a dog which u own then morality isn't a part of legality.. So yes the ability to be Or control yourself to the extent of a vegan might vary individually and so it shouldn't be something that becomes imposed upon.. The right to do whatever u want with the animals u own must be completely yours.
This guy saying "personally, I consider the animals as living beings" buddy that's not an opinion that's a fact
“I’m mostly plant based”
“I eat chicken once a day “
“I’m mostly a non smoker “
“I smoke cigarettes once a day “
What do people think life would be like if gay rights activists, abolitionists, and suffragettes hadn't pushed their views?
Peaceful.
@@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148so peaceful.. especially if your black
The world would be better without gay rights pushing their drag story time to kids.
@@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148 profile name checks out.
@@ianos88 Idiotic reply checks out.
"we should view what happens from the position of those who have been harmed, it's a moral issue.... Issues of morality should be viewed from that of the victim rather than from the oppressor" - Ed Winters
*I love how there’s a rainbow on the table directly pointing towards ed🥰 mother nature is showing her appreciation* 😊
It's a lens flare.
"Mother nature" is a cruel bitch.
If he recognises all these points, why isn't he vegan?
Because he likes the taste of chickens
Selfish & lazy
not a total retard, tho he is wrong about alot
Because he CAN (not be vegan).
@@antoinettecastle4739 I admit that I physically liked the taste of chicken and all meat. I grew up eating meat and being completely disconnected from the reality of how meat was produced. It was never spoken about by my parents. When I found out the truth, I stopped eating animal products. It was a choice between my physical self which felt pleasure in the taste of meat and my spiritual and emotional self that felt pain for the animals that suffered. As I hold spiritual(unselfishness) above the physical (selfishness), I came to the moral conclusion that even though I physically liked the taste of meat, that I could not in good conscience continue to eat it.
The Vegan Beyond Burger
creates 90% less greenhouse gas emissions,
uses 99% less water,
93% less land,
and requires 46% less energy
than a beef burger.
- University of Michigan
grass raised beef uses no water, no 'greenhouse' needed, uses no energy and is great for the enviroment -reality of reality
Hi do you mind giving links to this information?
Also, eating processed vegan foods is not a necessity for being vegan. All one needs is real, whole, unprocessed plant foods: legumes, whole grains, vegetables, nuts, seeds, fruit, herbs and spices. There are hundreds of choices and an abundance of each.
@@thewhitedwarf3846 Grass fed cows are certainly not great for the environment, that's debunked.
@@thewhitedwarf3846you are saying untruths brother. You should research your own opinions.
Be one less person harming animals.
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Plants don't like to be harmed either. That is why they have developed their own defense mechanisms to deter animals from eating them.
@@chrisheath5233 Please explain, and give a list of all the plants that do this, with sources, so that I can make an informed descision as to whether I should be more concerned about the life of plants, rather than the lives of actual sentient animals caught up in a system that uses, abuses, and exploits them before sticking a knife into their still warm convulsing bodies.
@@lorraineraven3836 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_defense
@@chrisheath5233 Interesting, but I don't eat milkweed or lichen, and I'm not a herbivore. What point are you trying to make, in context with the video?
@@lorraineraven3836 I was just responding to your comment about harming animals. Are you not a herbivore by choice, i.e., vegan?
It’s all about planting the seed with everyone around us, as effectively as we can. That’s all we can do. Thanks Ed! ❤
😂😂😂2024 over 8 billion non vegans and you get excited about " planting seeds" lol
@@rondarkman.Your point is?
@@Reeeeves
Eacty that
I’m learning so much from Ed about how to have a dialogue about veganism. I just received his book How to Argue with a Meat eater. I tend to get very emotional and angry when I talk to meat eaters. I’m striving to emulate Ed’s approach but I find it’s not easy for me. I have so much anger at peoples’ disregard for animals’ suffering.
Why do you get angry over what someone eats? That's bizzare
@@rondarkman. If someone wanted to kill and eat you, and even claimed that they aren't doing anything wrong, I'd also get angry at them. Do you think I shouldn't?
I'm the same, I feel very reactive and defensive
@walter....
Feel the way you want to feel I'm also not a farmed product
@bugsthompson
No I'm not vegan
Really nice conversation this time! Some of the comments will inevitably judge this young man for not being vegan yet, forgetting that they themselves were once in the same position. He's far more open than most people.
Vegans have a reduced risk of cancer,
type 2 diabetes, and heart disease.
Vegan diets are appropriate
for all stages of the life cycle,
including pregnancy, lactation, infancy,
childhood, adolescence, older adulthood,
and for athletes.
- Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics
careful, the antihumanist vegans will hate you classing pregnancy as part of the lifecycle
Hi do you mind giving links to this information?
@@drk3249 Unfortunately, UA-cam won't let me post the link, but you can copy and paste the quote into Google and it will take you to the study.
@@drk3249Adventist Health Studies 1 and 2. With all other relevant factors controlled, vegans have a lower risk of all chronic diseases and a longer lifespan. And the reason why this is relevant is to point out that it is not possible to live well, without unnecessarily harming other sentient beings, as far as practicable. The superior health benefits are merely a side boon.
@@drk3249 whole food plant based vegan is what you want. I can’t imagine you’d be too healthy being a junk food vegan
There's never a moral justification for harming an animal. As always, thanks Ed for your great work! We gotta keep that vegan message out there! 🌱💯💚
Morality is subjective so you can make one up if you want to
@@alphaikaros417 Something being subjective doesn't mean you can "make one up", it means morality will vary from subject to subject, and is not an inherent attribute that is measurable independent of a subject. Morality is an emergent phenomenon of evolved, social species, one being humans. You could "make up" a reason to harm an animal, but carefully observing that individuals actions I would wager will reveal inconsistency with their other emotive moralities.
@@marcomoreno6748It could be that other inconsistencies are revealed but what if no inconsistencies can be revealed? Would you consider it morally justified then?
Take some B12 !
@@UT48D Supplements/fortified foods/yeast extract (Marmite, Vegemite, etc).
Another banger by the boss
Awesome outreach as always Ed , another seed planted , let's hope he takes the moral path towards veganism.
Hi Martin! 👋💚
vegans have no morals, its all subjective
❤egan for Life.
@@DecidedlyDonna hi Donna 💚
@@user-wv8ju3dw8s hi John
"Be the change you want to see in the world" says it all for me.
One of the most open minded interviews I’ve seen Ed have. Cool young man, hope he makes the change in his own life and inspires others around him
Hmmm, let's discuss it, but let's not personally do anything about it.
He was more into environment issues rather than really connecting with the immense suffering of animals. If he doesn't see it, he can quite comfortably put to the back of his mind with just another topic.
The most comprehensive *meta-analysis* conducted to date with 119 countries, shows avoiding animal products is the *"SINGLE BIGGEST WAY"* to reduce our environmental impact. -J. Poore, Oxford University, journal Science ✌️💖🌎
I don't get how someone can care more about something so vague and nebulous as "the environment" than the suffering of a living sentient being. It's like, hello, priorities???
@@harveyplantharvester1502
Veganism is just not a priority
How do you know that? I am entirely plant-based for the last 15 years and the environmental issues are still my primary reason. Because, the environment is where fucking life lives. Animals, bacteria, viruses, algea, etc. The world is completely full of torture chambers, for animals and humans. They can all be easily destroyed and rebuilt, the environment can't. How do you expect to breathe in 30 years when there are no coral reefs left in the worlds oceans? How do you expect any animal to breathe in that?
@@harveyplantharvester1502Not everyone bases their actions based on primitive emotions. Some people use abstract logic to make decisions but I know this is unimaginable for a vegan.
Attempting to make meat eaters aware of the fact that they are funding the enslavement, torture and murder of animals is not "pushing" veganism. Whereas meat eaters do not simply "push" their unnecessary dietary choice upon defenseless animals - they force it. It is meat eaters who offensive, if cruelty is offensive to the civilized man.
If pushing veganism is offensive, so is pushing carnism.
Meateaters push carnism on animals
When most people think of "cruelty to animals", they think of beating a dog or driving a horse to exhaustion on a sweltering day, not of having a beefburger or some chicken wings.
Yes, that’s called cognitive dissonance.
@@Kasprr even worse, if ppl kill innocent sentient plants en masse (and then they think they are something better even !), like "vegans" do.. they also kill millions of animals, so cruel this vegan agenda - I agree😪
Great conversation 🌱
Ed, I really appreciated how composed and level-headed you remained throughout the discussion. It's not easy to have conversations about such an emotionally-charged topic, but you did an excellent job of articulating your perspectives in a respectful and empathetic manner. Your commitment to raising awareness about the suffering of animals in the food industry and advocating for veganism as a way to reduce that suffering is truly admirable. By maintaining a calm and rational approach, you allowed the message to shine through without getting bogged down in heated debates. Discussions like this are so important for fostering understanding and encouraging people to think critically about the ethical implications of their dietary choices. Well done, Ed, for being a compassionate voice for those who cannot speak for themselves, thank you. 🌿
Thank you Ed for doing what you do!!
A voice for the voiceless, thank you 💚💚💚💚
As a society we have dropped the ball. Relocate the animals and make it illegal to kill all life forms human or other wise. Make it fair across the board. Do not say hey you look this way you get rights. And you look like that you don’t get rights. It’s a slippery slope.
rights exist because men enforce them for themselves, their families, communities and countries. animals have no rights because they cannot enforce them
@@thewhitedwarf3846 they live on this earth with us. So they should be brought into the conversation. A newborn born cannot enforce them. Some disabled people cannot. Millions of humans are not aware of even their own surroundings but best believe there rights aren’t being taken away because they don’t have the cognitive like me or you. So they are considered so should other species. Being human doesn’t dictate nothing. Plus in a thousand years might not be any government or anyone enforcing anything. So hopefully those people are kinder to themselves and others. My cousin believes we are going backwards in time. So your rights might be stripped away, women and etc. We should be moving forward for equality of all species. There is always a way to consider everyone.
@@thewhitedwarf3846 Their are plenty of groups of humans today too weak to enforce their own rights. Child slaves are trafficked in western Africa to help grow cacao for chocolate. They're only kids, they can't 'enforce' their rights. Because they can't enforce their own rights, are you saying they don't deserve rights?
@@thewhitedwarf3846 wow... i have been vegan for 5+ years but this really made me think man... animals can't enforce their rights so do they really deserve them...? wow... guess i'm quitting veganism...
on the other hand, children and disabled people also cannot enforce their own rights so i guess we'll be murdering and eating them too?
@@thewhitedwarf3846so no rights for babies and mentally disabled people???
I feel like Ed went a bit too easy on this guy.. i was expecting more of his classic re-inforced... ''so, why arent YOU vegan?'' question, which normally gets an interesting response and them in a corner to explain and question themselves a bit more, either way, great work Ed, love seeing these debates.
Not as offensive as taking a life just because the persons hungry
Worse, much of eating animal products is for taste, not hunger.
thank you so much for your advocacy, Ed!❤
Question: What's the point of the human race if we don't continue to evolve for the better?
Please be vegan for animals, there is no need to harm them
Pushing as opposed to advocating and educating? I've been a vegan for over 14 years now. Before that I was actually irritated when animal rights activists would yell and resort to name calling. They were NOT part of my change to veganism. I listened to and learned from those who talked peacefully with me and provided me with the truth. That's who I try to be as well no matter how angry I sometimes get over some of the comments and heartlessness I see and hear.
That sometimes doesn't work for people. There are many different types of activism.
Wonderful as always Ed. Calm. Careful. People need to work their own way through this. Bashing people does not work
Is killing millions of animals everyday offensive
So they would take veganism as an offense because we’re asking you not to harm innocent living sentient beans, but it’s OK to offend vegans by eating living and sentient beings. Can you just listen to what you’re saying before you say it
he was so humble and understanding! Ed is always respectful to others as well! Great convo! hope that guy can become vegan in the future! he should see some documentaries which shows unimaginable horrors of what animals go through to become someone's sandwich or a burger
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He may have been honest, but he equivocated on every point and seemed uninterested in change. So many of these interviewees just lack empathy and compassion for other beings.
So crazy how non vegans like to talk about the population as a whole instead facing their own actions. It’s amazing the lengths we will go to ignore the harm we personally cause.
My food dies for me, sometimes I kill my own food
There’s hope for this guy. He just needs to connect his thoughts with his actions. Go vegan!
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Thank you for the insights Ed. Love this style of video!
Go Vegan!!
😂😂😂😂 lol no I won't far to many delicious animals to eat
@@bugsthompsonHe just likes having some fatty meat in his mouth. Can't judge him for that.
@@bugsthompson
Where did I mention bacon?
Great guy very level-headed, he sounds like a Vegan. He just needs to Align his beliefs with his actions
No you are brilliant Ed
credit to any vegan who can still watch street debates with people like this who parrot the same regurgitated nonsense that meat eaters have been brainlessly spewing since the dawn of time. I just came to like the video, my mental health can't cope with meat eater debates anymore.
I feel the same way man. It is insane how much willful ignorance there is in this world. Very sad.
At least he didn't say 'but animals eat other animals' 😂
No need to debate its my food and there is zero you can do about it
Instead of being so bitter just eat some tasty animals, it's not like you are achieving anything by not eating them
@@rondarkman.are you okay? you keep supporting Ed’s channel by commenting on his videos, but obviously you don’t mean to because you are against veganism? why don’t you spend your time a bit better than supporting a man’s channel who you don’t even agree with? 🤣
@@rondarkman. you are embarrassing yourself.
Our original ancestors millions of years ago, evolved with the aid of plants.. and technically evolved to where we are now with the help of that. So why is it so difficult to understand what is right and what is really needed for us to flourish. Empathetically and biologically..
Ed has managed to bring his tolerance and patience to superhero levels to be able to listen to this dude. HUGE respect to you Ed for not standing up and smacking this guy HARD across the face for the wake-up call of his life.
Live vegan for a better world 🌱 🌏
Nah my taste is more important
@@bugsthompsonexactly some people are just selfish, it's deep in human nature for the majority. People actually acknowledge the suffering of animal but they simply just couldn't care enough. Some matter such as veganism are simply not relevant to them, myself included 😅
"My diet is pretty plant based but I have chicken [every single] day" 😵💫
If you are against abuse and violence towards animals you must be vegan !
Such a great conversation! Thank you Ed for your work speaking out for animals, you are such a gift. I also loved that it looked like a rainbow was coming from your heart the whole video!
How I feel when I'm discussing veganism.
"Just 'cause you don't understand what's going on
Don't mean it don't make no sense
And just 'cause you don't like it, don't mean it ain't no good
And let me tell you something
Before you go taking a walk in my world
You better take a look at the real world
'Cause this ain't no Mister Roger's neighborhood
… Can you say, "Feel like shit"?
Yeah, maybe sometimes I do feel like shit
I ain't happy 'bout it, but I'd rather feel like shit than be full of shit
And if I offended you, oh, I'm sorry, but maybe you need to be offended
But here's my apology, and one more thing
Fuck you!" - You can't bring me down, suicidal tendencies
All I wanted was a pepsi
@@Xapxap1212Institutionalized is one of my favorite songs.
Thanks Ed
This guy is pretty open minded and this is one of the better interviews you've had.
I eat plant based (but I eat meat once a day) 😂😂
@@Sweeney-nn2hy nah dude plant based means no animal products.
Omni is what you described and is a pretty standard diet
Eating meat everyday isn't plant pased at all 😅😅
Thank you Ed
Credit to this kid for sitting down. He seemed very open and responsive, but eager to distance his own behavior from what society's doing. The tip-off was mentioning the distinction between ethics and morals (not relevant in this context).
These aren't incompatible. You can support changing the ethics of the system (which is necessary), and you can also live consistent with your morals (which is insufficient but desirable) and abstain from eating animals. This isn't abstract; it's not complicated. Don't overcomplicate it!
Not enough people in the comments talking about they FOUND commonality and AGREE that animal farming is wrong. I think we should all focus on that instead of how the conversation began. Great job Ed. Seems you planted a very strong rooted seed. Hoping they go Vegan!!
Great video, Ed. I think that you planted this seed in his mind well.
like water off a duck's back to him, this person seemed so self-satisfied whilst consuming chickens and dairy; all the arguments none of the understanding, a superior attitude, he was not humble, he was intractable.
Sounds like the typical college male :)
We do need systemic change. The cost of water usage, land usage and deforestation on the environment need to be taxed and so the cost of animal products should be higher. We also need honest labelling and advertising to remind people of the damage to the animals, the environment and their health. Sadly I think that the only thing that will make the masses change is if they understand how animal agriculture will negatively effect humans.
Great convo! Seems there's at least another aspirant to veganism out there =)
I'm wondering about the "change is inevitable argument". Would it be inspiring for most? I get that innovative people might like the sound of getting on board of what's the trending change (and maybe at a college that's a great argument!). However, "change is inevitable" might be, for some, reassuring that their actions don't matter for progress, and from there to "I might as well live happily as I please" could be a small leap.
"Personally I consider the animals living beings."
Side topic: the person in the red hood shirt's voice reminded me 'Annoying Orange' series of Mr cool cucumber 🥒 😎 great video!
He should be vegan. Likely he will be one day. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
Great job, Ed! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
hi!
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thanks
Thanks!
Were you in Milan some days ago? I think I walked near you.
He did go to Italy because his book had been published in Italian
To summarise, this guy fucking hates chickens
Most people just don't care about much beyond there own happiness and pleasure senstions. If you force them to consider other beings feelings it literally offends them. And these are my freinds who consider themselves very good people because they obey the law and would never hurt anyone deliberately.
show more speeches and recipe videos and get some roundtables with multiple students/people. amen and more interviews on tv/news amen
The vibes are immaculate
Be on the right side of history. Be vegan 🌱 🌎
only the crazy are "vegan" and most are NOT vegan i do not know ANY real "vegan"
Hardy, we’d have never evolved past plankton
Like you don’t see humans being murderer, raped in person, but you know what’s wrong so that should be the same when you think about what animals go through just so they can be food on your plate
One thing that people usually forget when talking about this: some people are not on the level to care about the wellbeing on the animals. Just imagine someone told you not to use hand-sanitizer for the mass genocide it commits on the bacteria. It sounds absurd to you, but this is how you sound to people who are not willing to go vegetarian/vegan.
bacteria do not have nervous system and do not feel pain, animals do. most people who believe they don't care about the wellbeing of animals do actually care about the wellbeing specific animals like dogs/cats and human children. drawing a parallel between animals they do care about to agricultural animals could make them think
very strange argument to make. Animals we eat are much more closely related to us humans than they are to bacteria
@@sil9179 Exactly "could" make them think, just like the fact that bacteria also strive to survive "could" make you think about the wrongness about using hand-sanitizer. But it didn't. So don't expect other people to make leaps in development when you yourself can't do it.
What an odd false equivalency fallacy comment.🤔
@@cazzawazzadingdong5139 you only forgot to tell me what is odd and false about it.
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This guy really knows his stuff. Maybe you can convince him to reduce suffering some day.
I wouldn't say it's offensive, but it can be annoying. There is a right way to do it. Ed manages to do it well, which is why I watch his videos. He doesn't come off as annoying or arrogant like some other vegan activists (who shall remain unnamed).
Why are you out here telling vegans the “right” way to do activism when you couldn’t even convince yourself?
@@claytheist6736 What?
Please can you advance a robust counterargument against the hypothetical that scientists discover a new deeper type or meaning for conciousness and sentience and that plants and fungi share these with humans and other animals - excluding of course the trivial blanket argument against hypotheticals?
You will cause much less plants to suffer by eating them directly rather than feeding more plants to animals for you to eat the meat. You need to feed at least 6 calories from plants to get 1 calorie in meat. So the way to minimise overall suffering is to eat the plants directly.
I'll take that a no then.
Grey video ed
This young man kind of understands, but he (still) shies away from the consequences.
The idea that the only way we know a human suffers is because they can say "ouch, that really hurt" is quite funny.
"Ouch that hurt to the 98th percentile !" Now we can really quantify that suffering!! 🧪
Damn, ed let him off easy. Where's the "why are you vegan yet?" question.
Wait so if he can't measure animal suffering because animals don't speak and that makes it ok for him to harm them, is he also ok with torturing babies? They can't speak either.
The other thing that bothers me about some of these interviews is when people say essentially oh well I agree with veganism because it’s better for the planet and the animals in the overall health of everybody, but I’m just not gonna change what the next generations are changing and then that will implement in the next generation that’s been the fucking problem all along every generation prior to the next things all the next generation will handle it. The next generation will handle it and that’s why I in the fucking position. We are now, stop putting it on the next generation when you can just as easily right now make the change and be part of the movement and that will fast track us getting to where we need to be a lot faster
Pushing pretty much anything is often offensive. People just don't like being pushed. By anybody. About anything. Especially about things which, if accepted, might require them to alter deeply ingrained habits, customs and worldviews or, alternatively, to feel guilty about not altering them.
Which is another thing most people don't care for and---except perhaps for persons with masochistic tendencies---usually try to avoid: feeling guilty, especially over things they've done or believed all their lives which were never previously causes of guilt.
Just what everybody wants, right? New "sins" to feel guilty about committing.
Then you should probably stop pushing your views onto innocent animals by taking their lives.
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Conditions are always brought up for the animals existence while alive but the forced birth and forced death are never considered as also coming about due to abhorrent conditions of the ideology of perpetual exploitation.