The ANCIENT Hoenn Region had WAY too much Water - Pokemon Theory
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2023
- What happens if team aqua and magma wins? If Kyogere floods the hoenn region, or gRoudon drys it up what are archie and Maxies plan? Well what if I told you there is evidence that hOenn really did used to be underwater! This is a deep dive on Pokemon lore
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Anorith isn’t a Trilobite it’s Anomalocaris a giant extinct relative of shrimp.
Well dang you;re right, I obvisouly don't know much about Aronith
And it does it's best 🎉
And it was actually the first ever apex predator
Also a relative of the modern Sea Scorpion. Why the pokemon based on it evolves into an Armadillo, I have zero idea... and why is it a bug type? I mean, it really should be A Water type... would have made it a better pokemon. The Hoenn Fossils were kinda garbage, though... better in the remakes, but still nor great.
@@matthewrowlett1564 Anorith’s a bug-type because it’s an arthropod like insects and the reason it evolves into Armadillo is to show how arthropods were the first creatures to migrate onto land; which is why Armadillo is bipedal.
I gotta say, with Toby's closing arc happening, you can tell that he's having a lot of fun with the formats of these recent videos.
so many questions i'd never even considered - Fortree's treehouses, Lavaridge, Pacifidlog, the Mirage Spots, the two cave entrances at Sky Pillar, so many Hoenn Pokémon designs - and yet all the answers are here!
i'd love to see a Water-type variant of Spoink now ☆
dude Hoenn is so cool
geographical storytelling at its finest
This video perfectly encapsulates everything on why I love the Hoenn region and the enhanced lore that ORAS provided.
This could be a great idea for a future legends game. Kyoger and groudon fighting. Each day the game could cycle threw flooding or drout. Each pokemon is effected by these changes. Could have jirachi wish for rayquaiza or the player could have to hunt for them. Maybe it has the orbs...
These skits and recent videos have been adding 30yrs to my life, they’re so good 😂 I love to see you experimenting more!
Your comment about Jirachi got me thinking: what if the previous droughts and floods were also the results of wishes? A drought-stricken civilization thousands of years past wished fervently for rain, and Jirachi empowered Kyogre. A thousand years pass and a new civilization wishes fervently for the rains to end, and so Jirachi empowers Groudon. Back and forth, back and forth, for millennia. Until finally a civilization emerges that finds the records of the past civilizations, doomed by their short-sighted wishes, and sees the pattern. And finally, in their wisdom, the Draconids wish for balance.
Mate this was brilliant, you said your last few projects were gonna be big, that you're gonna put your all into them and it really shows, a lotnof people would have mentally checked out and half-arsed the last leg, but you're really making every last one count, thank you so much for the awesome videos and even more for being you, gonna miss you man!
Anorith is based on a shrimp-like arthropod called Anomalocaris. It is believed that it is the first apex predator that ever existed. A cabuto is based on a trilobite. Anomalocaris ate trilobites.
I love this video about the lore of the Hoenn region and its legends. I especially loved the way you included Jirachi and connected it with Rayquaza and its mega evolution. It often gets skipped over.
Twin Legends game would be cool. One with flooded Hoenn (vaguely AC Black Flag inspired, where you sail/surf on your pokemon instead of ship) and one with dried Heonn. Full open world Aqua and Magma are tyrannical leaders of each versions respectively and you need to help bring back the balance. Just a pitch from the top of my head
Nice video Bird Keeper Toby. It was great learning about how the sea levels in ancient Hoenn really changed Hoenn’s ecology and environment with villages being on mountains and islands. One day I would like to see a Legends Hoenn game where it delves deep into the history of ancient Hoenn, the lore of Draconoid, and Groudon, Kyorge, Rayquaza, Latios, Latias, Jirachi, Deoxys and Regirock, Registeel and Regice.
The world: is about to drown
Toby while inside a cage: "How about a history lesson?"
Especially nice job with the live action segments in this particular video 👏
Oh and rip Luke, I just got to that part 😂
I always love how your videos have the energy of a kids educational science show with the little sketches in the intros
Looks like this would be paradise for Team Aqua
An amazing theory! It’s actually mind blowing! Like these are little things I never thought about; explained in this way it makes total sense.
Team Aqua will always remember this as the day that they almost caught CAPTAIN Bird Keeper Toby.
I love a good BKT theory on my favourite region in all of Pokemon. Thank you ❤
Also, I loved the escape room fun, that was such a fun idea!
And it would still get a 7.8/10 😔
7.8 is still a solid score
Of course it would...
IGN was the REAL TEAM MAGMA.
I'm so glad you're doing another Hoenn video before you leave. Generation 3 is my favorite gen, and you're my favorite PokéTuber.
this is maybe your best video ever. LOVE the theatrics, and the theory is so FASCINATING. so many things that i’d never questioned!
I had always believed that hoenn has a dry and rain season. Like my home grenada in the Caribbean.
1third of the year it's rainy season. Dry season and the times in between.
5/10, too much water!
Edit: I also find it funny that braille, a touch based communication system, is SHOWN VISUALLY to players as a communication method.
One of your best videos Toby!! This theory is very well crafted
Such an epic video (& hair).
Also thank you cause you just made me think of some extra stuff regarding places in Hoenn. Also also kicking myself, marine fossils in Hoenn desert I hadn't made that connection🤦.
Toby, thanks for putting so much effort and love in these last videos. A collection of your magnum opus. They have all been great. Also, I loved seeing you on my favorite podcast! Have a great day Pokemon Master!
I mentioned in a prior video's commment that if we were to get a game that did a Legends-style game for Johto, that ancient region would actually be covering the ancient versions of both Kanto and Johto as a singular big region that would later be broken up into the modern regions.
I love this theory, really great video!!
water and water and water water.
Finally got my hat in the mail, so cheers to that. That aside, I'm happy to see my favorite region in the spotlight once again.
What an amazing performance! So creative and clever!! 💪🏼🔥
“We’re all going to be underwater soon.” Ugh, too real 😩
Literally Playing through Hoenn before Bank closes so this video came out at the perfect time from my POV
Was not expecting that crossover
To think my fan fiction used to "What if Misty went to Hoenn and joined Team Aqua" haha.
Okay seriously. I can not be the only one who would watch a nature documentary set in the world of pokemon starring this man. This, that one video on Porygon a while back and so many others. Watching these videos makes me feel like I am in the world of Pokemon and that the famous pokemon trainer Toby has his own reality show. The camera is obviously a rotom drone that only pops up when Toby is alone.
To put it simply, Team Aqua? If you hurt this man Ive got a z move with your name on it.
This might be the most fascinating pokemon lore/theory video I've ever watched which is saying a long as a life long pokemon lover and actively watch videos when I'm shiny hunting or whatever.
Also ruby was my first game I owned so gen 3 holds the most special place in my heart 🥰🥰
Concept: A Hoenn remake that actually varies the encounters and puzzles found in the water routes so it's not just monotonous surfing
i wonder, does the poke-earth not have any polar ice caps? because otherwise team magma's plan backfires as the polar ice melts from the heat of groudon's drought and then raise the sea levels
But wouldn't Groudon's drought dry up some of the rising sea creating less water?
i guess but the water just becomes vapor in the air but it'll never leave the planet due to gravity and colder temperatures in the upper atmosphere condense it. the humidity would be terrible that's for sure, and im not sure if maxie would enjoy that loi@@markzman2970
That Luke cameo tho 👌👌👌
Thank you so much for all videos you made. You are one of my absolutely best youtubers ever. :)
Jsi borec. Mám moc rád tvoji tvorbu. Zdraví Nogy.
Aw thank you ^_^
I never got the “Way too much water” critique. If there’s nothing to do in the water then it’s justified, but you could dive, build secret bases, fish, unlock the Regis, it altered the landscape in some areas. There was so much to do in the water.
Dad Rayquaza: who touched the theromstat!!!
You called it "Pacifildog" Town and that is its new official name
Never really thought about it before but Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza.. are they the pokemon versions of Leviathan, Behemoth, and Ziz?
Not sure about the Ziz but ya Groudon is Behemoth and Kygore is Leviathan
Nice video
Shark's teeth in the midwest and whales in the southwest. Sounds like water covered the entire United States to me.
Crushing it with the skits
It's very interesting to imagine the Hoenn Region being locked in a Legendary Tidal cycle caused by Groudon and Kyogre with each of the Legendary Pokemon 'claiming dominance' over the Region every couple thousands of Years at the end of the other's Reign, exploiting their weakened state for their own rise to rulership...only to experience the same fate a couple millennia later once their own powers have been exhausted.
would love a Legends Rayquaza game so badd
There should be a 4th that has ice poison typing and an ability that summons hail and boosts ice moves by 50 percent. With freeze dry as the primary ice move.
Great video! Slightly depressing ending. 😂😂
Not Tobey looking amazing as a pirate.
can ya do a theory on why red is a clone?
That's why Team . TO EXPAND THE SKY! GO TEAM SKY!
Anorith and Lileep lived literally 100 million years ago (according the to Pokédex), so that just means there was an ocean there back then. Not really evidence of Kyogre or of any recent flooding.
A lot of cultures have treehouses for various reasons.
Long grass is in other regions as well. Are you meaning to suggest that it exists in other reasons because they too were flooded?
This is more of a head canon, but I feel like some of the “muddy slopes” could alternatively be loose sand instead. Just like with a muddy slope, it’s hard to walk up a sand dune that’s steep enough, due to the ground shifting a bit under you as you move.
If Mirage Spots literally went underwater when they’re not there, you’d think all the Pokémon there (especially Fire types) would go extinct.
Just because you can dive to it doesn’t mean it was originally above the water. They only ever specify that for the Abyssal Ruins because it’s, you know, ruins. It could be implied that the dive spot to reach Sealed Chamber was always an underwater dive spot, though, because there’s ancient instructions to dive up from a certain spot on that path.
Considering what you said about Rayquaza, and the fact that all three Legendaries were recorded in the archaeological sites simultaneously, I’m willing to believe there was never a time when all of Hoenn was flooded or without water for long periods of time. Maybe only parts at a time, and only for a short period (like a few days at most), because Rayquaza would eventually come down and tell the other two to stop, just like in Emerald.
Legends Hoenn but you have to choose to help a rogue team aqua/magma member awaken the opposing teams legendary pokémon so you can return Hoenn to its natural state
I just realized that the GBL logo is a Rotom
Yes, too much water.🌊🌊🌊🌊
Poor Gameboy Luke 😅
This was the day you almost caught captain bird keeper toby spaaRroww
Do you have a link to that map of hoenn if team magma won that you showed?
Tell me more about the spoink clampearl connection
The ending I'm 💀 They did say they got the year wrong on the Mayan Calendar 😂😂 It was 11 years off 😄😄🥰 So maybe you're right
hes cooking
6:30 if that’s the case couldnt they just write/carve whatever they wanted on the ground in a language not in braille?
I agree with this. I just played Emerald and Hoenn already had a ton of water like wtf😂
The Jack Sparrow energy in this video!
Yeah but what would Hoenn have been like if Team Magma got their way? Cut of waterways? Lakes and seas disconnected? New Land?
7.8/10 video, too much water
7.8 too much water
I say it didn't have enough
Pokemon: Black Flag. I could live with that.
IGN would hate it
Cool
Damn ok, fineToby's going to die but why did he have to drag Luke into it too?
7.8/10, too much water
Compared to alola region which has more water than Hoenn.......
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So... I agree with your general conclusion of there having been periods where the sea level was higher because of Kyogre or lower because of Groudon, and Rayquaza keeps the balance. But that is pretty well stated or at least implied by playing the games. And your evidence is... Misguided.
A lot of the evidence you give can, with a little more logic, prove the exact opposite of your claims. The Cave of Origins descends downwards, suggesting the water level was once much lower so they could dig deep underground? But... Then wouldn't the entrance of the Cave of Origins have been too high up for them to reach? Assuming there are no submerged entrances, a cave can go underwater without being full of water. There needs to be some way for the water to actually enter the cavern, it isn't just there. And yes, I know about ground water and underwater lakes, but those wouldn't be affected by the sea level dropping. So the entrance to the Cave of Origins suggests more that it was made while the sea level was approximately where it currently is. I mean, it varies a little by semantics, if humans adapted a natural cavern or if they carved the entire thing out themselves, and if you're referring to that potential natural formation or the man made aspects of it. And for Mount Pyre, if the burial site part of it existed when the water was higher, all of those graves would have been underwater. Maybe the stuff on top of the mountain, around the shrine for the Red and Blue Orbs was made when water levels were higher, but the current entrance, the cave of graves leading there, that likely wouldn't have been made until the sea level dropped to where it is.
The Mirage Islands don't show any signs of being submerged. They could be magically hidden, most likely by Hoopa, but if we're going scientific instead, I think it's more likely they're just so isolated and surrounded by so much water that you can't find them. It is a real phenomenon where, looking at something with so few distinguishing features, you can get disoriented, believing you're looking in one place but actually looking in another. This is especially common at sea and why boat travel mostly stayed near the shore until people found ways to navigate through open ocean, namely using stars and the sun. There's many stories of disappearing islands and ships getting lost at sea all attributed to this, and it's believed to be at least partly how the Vikings found the Americas so early in human history. A variation of this issue is also known to happen to pilots flying over open water, where the lucky ones get disoriented and just end up going the wrong direction but the really unlucky ones have even been known to lose track of their altitude and rate of climb or descent, even losing track of up and down, and ending up flying right into the water. Which is why the ability to fly over open water requires separate additional training compared to just being able to fly a plane. And yes, this phenomenon can happen for someone on land looking out to sea, not realizing their exact orientation. And all of this can be made worse with fog, mist, or even rain, all of which can make some distinguishing features even more difficult to spot, making it even easier to go the wrong way.
As for the physical features of the Pokemon, while some of your points are sensible, like the ones that can float on the water, being adapted to living high in trees doesn't really help with massive changes in sea level. Most trees would not survive when submerged, so even Tropius would eventually starve. They would all have to adapt by finding higher places to live. Higher as in on mountains and hills, not in trees. Or they would need to become at least semi-aquatic, being able to survive in the water.
And being able to use Dive doesn't really mean much. Yeah, the only other game where that was possible was gen 5, around the Abyssal Ruins. But gen 1 and 2 were far more limited in what they could do and the amount of data they could hold, they were already pushing their limits, and all of the other regions didn't have much water for Surfing (or the non-HM equivalents), not to mention the change to 3D making things more complicated for it. So no, I don't think that "these are the only games where you can Dive" is enough connection to say that Hoenn has lost civilizations underwater like the Abyssal Ruins in Unova. There's also no evidence of it in the games themselves, no remains of sunken cities or anything, the closest possible hint being that the only entrance to Sootopolis is under water, but the structure of the actual city within the crater would make it impossible for traversal with water levels being much lower, so it's more likely they always used Pokemon to help, coming from above on flying Pokemon or below with swimming Pokemon. Flying Pokemon seem more likely given the connection to the Draconids and the abundance of flying Dragon Pokemon, both in terms of typing (Flying and Dragon types) and in terms of design (draconic Pokemon that aren't Dragon types, like Charizard). Keep in mind that needing to visit a place to Fly there is a game mechanic with no logical reason it wouldn't be possible, at least if you had a guide.
So Maxie was right all along...
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So, what you're saying is IGN was right all along?
not my favorite theory, a lot of what ifs here