I Tried NOR Platform and Here's What Happened
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- Опубліковано 1 гру 2022
- 🎮 Join Tricker as he dives into the world of the NOR Platform and shares his firsthand experience! I was invited to the ITSEC convention here in Orlando and I was blown away at all the technology and simulators that were available. I did get my hands on the NOR platform from METREA and my experience was incredible. 🕹️
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Hey pilots! Tricker here and I want to welcome you to my channel on combat aviation. I'm a real world pilot in the Airbus 319/320/321 series and I enjoy DCS World, Falcon BMS, Falcon 4.0, IL-2 Sturmovik, X-plane 11, and Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020.
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if this thing has true multicore support, dcs is finished.
Sir, are you working with Metrea?
How is no one talking about how you were the ONLY one to successfully land the basket other than two other REAL Eurofighter pilots. Props.
Haha this was on the second day, there were a few extra days, still it was pretty cool
The fact that the refueling probe got stuck there is just mindblowing ! Great video dude, thanks for telling us your experience ! I hope it can be a rivalry to DCS one day...
I'm hoping once they are able to get the multithreading sorted, it will unlock more stuff for them to be able to do with in-game physics and the like. A basket that actually moves around with a combination of wind, turbulence and then the disturbed air off the nose of your own plane would be wild.
I won't enjoy how much worse it makes me at something I'm already garbage at, but it will be awesome to see.
Part of me thinks the 4090 and Varjo probably had a big effect on your overall experience but then I remembered that even a 4090 can still struggle a bit in DCS if you play in VR so.... MAN, I DO HOPE A CONSUMER VERSION OF NOR GETS RELEASED. 🙃
NOR probably has hyperthreading, yano that technology from about 10 years ago lol. we are just now getting word DCS is moving away from using a single core
All of this would be fixed if DCS would tackle the issues immediately which seems as if 2023 will now host their stab at it...Lets hope we don't continue this same behavior into 2024 or let me just say that ED may be leaving themselves open to "competitive market results"
Also remember that SteamVR is a broken pile of trash, you can have a 13900k and a 4090 + 32GB of DDR5 and still get trash performance just from SteamVR alone.
OpenXR was the best thing I ever did for my DCS VR experience.
Thanks Tricker for sharing your experience with us and being honest about it.
I have seen way to many videos here on the Tube about "This is the DCS killer", full of rambling and speculation about the NOR platform based on the trailer Metrea posted. Based on this video this is a technology that will not be in our grubby hands in "two weeks™" or "anytime soon™".
But still, I do hope that this will give Eagle Dynamics a kick in the butt to up the ante.
Just trying to provide my experience is all; don’t wanna spread any misinformation. Thank for commenting!
This is in particular that such technology is used in military and defense contractor settings, so odds are this is not open to the public or any country can just negotiate, unlike DCS which have seen use by militaries to a degree but also open to the public consumer.
I remember thinking that Falcon 4 would someday run smoothly on my PC. I guess one day we will get to what you're describing with DCS or elsewhere maybe. Thanks for sharing.
One day, DCS did run smoothly on my PC. But that was long ago
What CPU are you running?
Thanks for taking one for the team :)
Moving/real basket physics. Yes! Been hoping for this in DCS for, well a few years now.
Man if you had the detail of of DCS flying and the ground of ARMA III , I don't think I would ever play anything else.
The TrackWhileScan Team is doing just that. You can get on their discord and talk to them from their website.
@@henryredbird888 I will check it out. That is a very high bar.
Been waiting for NOR to come out for the last two years. Looks amazing. Kind of what we DCS players need at this point.
First you couldn't get it in, then you got out to quick and finally you went in too hard and broke it. Giggity
I know you said you weren't gonna make a video but I am glad you did. Great video man! Love the story of the eurofighter refueling that is awesome details.
Looks amazing; especially the integration between air and ground!
Such a great, informative video!!! I did not know bout this convention I might have gone!!! I got a sister that lives close to that area. Plus Virpil has an office there open to the public that you can check out (well its in Tampa Bay). Amazing video, so glad I subbed you on Twitch. It's like I'm watching my meager bit of money work :)
Sweet man! Im out here in St Augustine, FL :) Love the videos - keep it up
Damn that sounds pretty sweet. Freaking 4090s cost as much as a gaming pc alone
The refueling probe story was pretty funny. Glad you had fun.
Great video dude really enjoyed that. I recently switched to the 4090 and Varjo Aero and can confirm it's EPIC.
Would love to try that SIM 😋
Pyro
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Thanks for the cool video. I was there too, and it is amazing how real it all is. They were the best simulators at the show. The VR view is better than in these videos, and it is the best I've seen. Been going to this show for 15 years, and all trained up on the F-16 and Blackhawk...because of the excellent simulators. Metrea are helping people not get killed...way cool.
Thank You for the quick review.
Happy New Year TRICKER!
I think (or better hope) - anywhere where a company can gain money - they will do it. If NOR will come to the consumer Market (even in a limited Version due to some implements that are maybe classified) there is a whole bunch of Gamers and of course Flight Simulator Enthusiasts willing to pay an amount of money to have a professional Environment :) ... well.... we will see - hope for a new, great and especially contemporary Combat Flight Simulator dies last :)
Thanks again for the great Video, Tricker :) Keep on!
honestly if its just DCS but with a whole world map I would easily get on that train in an instant
Oh man, you can not tell us something like this. Now I want to get into it 🙂
Life lesson right there, be careful how hard you jam your probe in the basket
If this is what's possible, then either DCS is going to get it eventually, or someone is going to eat DCS's lunch.
Very insightful, thanks Tricker
Yarrrrr
Cool stuff, Ralfi! I'm happy for you. 😎👍🏻💪🏻👏🏻🍻🍻
Lol I’m tricker silly
@@TrickerDCS Sorry, Tricker, I'm such an idiot! It's already late here and I'm setting up my new PC, so my brain is at 10%. 😓😵🤷🏼 I was watching some Ralfi's videos before yours, hence the error - I love you both, never the less.
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Also, cool stuff, Tricker - I'm happy for you! 👍🏻
Very exciting and great experience
Wow, it looks great.
Thanks for your experience! I think, if they invite you for a demo ride with one his simulators, be sure soon or later it will comes out for us, the consumers too. Even if they said no its only for military.
Well just to be clear I wasn’t invited by Metrea to specifically review the sim, I just so happened to stop by and really enjoyed my experience.
👍👍👍 Ah such is life, there is always some cool shit just outta reach...
You were able to do a 9G turn with the F-16? Already more accurate than DCS
lol
Sounds really fucking dope!
Holy hell this is like what if DCS was put in Unreal engine 5
This is why the people like me are really PUSHING to get flight sim in UE5. There is even a project EPIC made, called the Antoinette Project, to help people do this.
UE5 is just AMAZING!
Makes me want to enlist just to have access.
I will be literally speechless if NOR is available to consumers EVER. Lots of things that would probably need to happen for that to even be possible, and I don't know if there are any serious incentives to make it so. The rule of thumb for software is that whatever you think your plan is, take it and double the complexity, cost and length of the project... and you will probably still not meet your goals. 😅 For government-contract work? 5x it and then lower your expectations some more (not to mention all the red tape you'll have wrapped around you). 🙃
Although I will say, things are changing in the world of software. People who have been able to hop onto these new trends and waves have been able to achieve what other more monolithic companies could only dream of, and in half the time with twice the quality. It's just that people like this that REALLY know their stuff are literally called "unicorns," and for good reason. I have only a handful of these skills and I haven't gone looking for work in 5 years. It comes to me and it's a competition for my attention. That's not because I'm awesome, I'm a raccoon compared to some of these mythical beasts; it's just because there's ridiculous demand right now where companies see what's possible, but they just can't find the talent to do it.
Maybe NOR found the talent to do it, but let's expect that it will never happen, for our own sanity. 🫡
Lol someone start a petition to have this come to consumers sooner rather than later!!!
great news!
just as you posted this there's been an announcement that DCS is rolling out multithreading lol coincidence? I think not.
Well, of course it's coincidence! They've only been promising it since 2017. Yeah, yeah. Just coincidence. There's no reason Nineline has sweat pouring down his face.
I do believe that with the lvl.of details they have put on pointless things like airfield "objects" or paraphernalia, there is a chance they may be thinking on a possible civilian version for the future
But at the same time the lack of other stuff, like wing bending, suspension animation when landing, taxing, taking off, point to a mil only approach
Is there info anywhere about how they recreated the terrain? That is the most mindblowing imo.
Real data. It's on their website
Figures it's not coming to consumer market, hopefully though knowing what a potential competitor has on the back burners for a potential public release in the future might give ED a kick into releasing Vulkan. I really struggle to understand how Vulkan has not been their top priority, the current engine is so massively limited by modern standards. Hopefully with Vulcan they also fix the memory "leaks" (simply not clearing memory #lazycoding) as well.
DCS is getting better, ish, but so slowly. I get ED probably doesn't have an amazing budget, certainly not anything like NOR has, but with all the recent content they must have a decent pot to commit resources to Vulkan.
You realise for Vulkan, they require a complete overhaul of the core. Like you can't just plug n play. I'm one for getting tired of the same old shit with ED, but for people to think that it's not their top priority I personally think is unfair. You cannot throw loads of developers at this kind of task and it just be done faster, it simply does not work like that. For these kinda core updates you need an extreme wealth of technical knowledge and experience as it is the base that the entire game exists on.
Yes ED fucked up, big time, in the past with not keeping an eye on their tech debt. In the past they even stated that multithreading wouldn't be worth it (bullshit obviously). But we are slowly getting there.
Also, vulkan is not a silver bullet that will solve all issues. In fact, multi threading is far more important for the games performance as a whole, rather than just frame rate.
Isn’t it just a platform? Have they gone so far into creating those detailed aircraft models and avionics?
Nice :)
I really wish the FCR was that clean in DCS.
It's this a sim you can install in a CPU ? Will this have more aircraft in addition to the F-16...?
Nothing like a good hose whipping
Did they have a force sensing stick or a traditional gimbal stick?
Winwing f16
I thought they added basket physics in bms? Could have sworn I've seen that
Could you post a link to the VR that you think is so great
I've thought this platform was cool ever since I saw their first trailer! I bet it was sweet on the 4090s...I think it runs on Unreal 5 as well!
Tricker, my boy! I am so happy to see your channel growing so fast!
The content is of the highest quality with much attention to detail! Love it!
If NOR hits the market, imagine the party/furball in youtube!
Be ready 😎👍
Was nice to GCI for'ya yeaterday! Keep it up, buddy!
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Haha good to hear you Raven King, glad you were doing some GCI yesterday!
Hope is a dangerous thing, hope can drive a man insane.
Jealousy level, it'd be over 9000...
Once DCS goes multi-core? We'll get more than 40 fps with a 4090 in VR?
How epic does a Eurofighter cockpit looks in VR from 0/10 to 10/10 ?
The visuals look amazing, but if the flying/movement of the aircraft in the video is representative the FM looks screwed up
Whats your take on TWS (TrackWhileScan)? I'm pretty sure its very similar. Like a mashup of DCS and MSFS with combat aircraft but the entire world as your play ground.
It's going to be Awesome! You can join their discord from their website.
I really like the idea of what they presented but at the present time I’m a little skeptical.
@@TrickerDCS Yeah, I'm pretty skeptical of their inteded timeline to release. It's going to be a long haul. I just hope they make it.
Can't even model GBUs fins correctly and bosts about full fidelity F-22 and F-35s 😂
until they show actual gameplay i would be rather skeptical
It is a pity we can't see it in the consumer market.
basket hose physics pr0n daymn
Although we can not presently look forward to this simulator becoming commercially available, this still makes me look forward to a day where either DCS looks like that or we have a new sim that is amazing looking like that.
It's always about the hose...
to jam packed full of classified information, they would have to burn it to the ground and start over for a consumer version.....
It's not a Tricker sortie without shooting down his wingman
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Wait, ITSEC was here?! Is it over?
Yep just ended
Are you in Orlando? I am in St Pete :D
Yep!
@@TrickerDCS Metrea needs to release a civilian component to this sim. Sure, they have to strip out all the sneaky stuff, but they're leaving money on the table. DCS needs some competition, too. Thanks for your report!
forgive me, i usually pilot on DCS, so, NOR is a ''plugin'' for DCS or it is a separate simulator?
Separate sim
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what ! What block is this??
I'm thinking that's the Typhoon.
@@henryredbird888 oh shit you're right!
how did you do to try this sim
Yea sad this will not reach consumers but was pretty obvious considering the company is defence contractor etc.
Everything I have seen on YT looks amazing. It kind of shows what would be possible if you remove all stops and go all out.
In contrast Eagle Dynamics recently announced Multithreading... dafuq.
Looks like DCS.
Did you get a sense of the FPS it was generating?
It was buttery smooth at high resolution. I wish I could tell but I’m not a VR guy.
@@TrickerDCS it sounds awesome, I hope one day to experience something like that.
@@TrickerDCS After the comment from ED today: "Gains will be seen mostly in busy missions, but it will depend on the users system and settings. Thanks - Scott / bignewy" and the Newsletter. The NOR Plattform sounds really interesting.
This looks amazing, but it'll never be available to consumers. We're stuck with DCS with it's old engine that doesn't see additional cores on our modern day processors.
Until they release it for purchase....I'm not going to check it out anymore.
This then differentiates game from real sim.
Your A/A refueling summary should be X-rated 🤣🤣
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Please tell me there was a USB port to connect an xbox controller
Hahahaha
Going in too hard, shooting down teammates, being impressed with hose whipping. Yup; Tricker Content confirmed.
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PLEASE BRING IT TO US SIMMERS! DCS IS OLD AND JUNK!
So they had 4090s.
Simps: oH MuH GaWD
Soooo DCS, a bit less good graphics, but you can explore the whole world and the refueling drogue behave more realistic?
And more realistic weapons
@@TrickerDCS Oh? As in the flight model and characteristics, right?
@@kipchickensout I’m just speculating but it’s for DOD contractors
Anyone know what engine NOR is running on?
Unreal engine 5
@@TrickerDCS Makes sense with the terrain generation they showed, also explains the performance. UE5 is making huge waves in the way objects, textures and polygons are drawn, moving away from the concept of LODs. I'm amazed that they seemingly have functional systems as complex as radar working.
Shame we probably won't get to experience this for what is likely a decade.
I came here for the ho's and whips. This looks nothing like GTA6
Why would they tease us like this and then tell us, 'Ha, you can't have it'? Bastards...
open na nor
They could make so much more money...
Government contracts pay really well though
@@TrickerDCS but then why can't they have military version and consumer version. Same base different details in the crafts
it's an extra job. then it must be said that it is already quite a niche genre and this niche is already covered in large part by DCS. and I don't know how many DCS players would move considering that they have to buy back new modules and only players with powerful PC would be able to play... and people too used to DCS would not even consider that.
the economic return could be very little objectively or compared to what they would get from the government
@@lucaallemann5941 fair points
@@laur.an01 however the fact that ED has a monopoly is not the best, as they can afford more laziness in development and can overlook any gap in the game.
so I hope a competitor arrives soon
so maybe they start to deal with all those shortcomings that they have been carrying for years...
a few more assets, better ground AI, better ATC and a dynamic campaign...
and it would stop being that frustrating simulator where you always feel like something is missing
This looks cool but your hose whipping around is the last thing I wanna see 🙈🙉
great salespitch try bro
Yet, I’m not selling anything?
DCS is still the King, but there is now some challengers. With the amount of money I have invested into DCS, it will take a shit load of coolness to get me to change over. But change over I will if there's a reason. And if Eagle Dynamics feels threatened to lose a large share of the market, they will really step up their game. Arma is also lurking in the weeds ready to jump.
So you were just putting on a random VR headset that tens or hundreds of complete strangers wore before you? Might want to get checked for face rabies.
You’re right, I may be infected!
The question is, how does it all matter when it doesn’t come to consumers. Fangirling over unattainable stuff is a waste of time.
If you look at all the detail, it screams consumer side. The military rarely gives a hoot about detail.
What amazed me isn't the simulation itself, but the Unreal Engine, as a game developer, It's easy to achieve all those visual details and physics simulation details with UE
If as a game developper you're amazed by the engine instead of the simulation itself you're a trash game developper
Well, it looks a little bit too cartoon for me.
DCS has a lot more details on moving parts better animated and implemented as I can see in the video.
But the fire effects are looking just great !
Yes, but DCS put's everything into cockpit and plane model. I think the World outside looks MUCH better than DCS.
@@henryredbird888
True
It's that DCS get competition. As of now they almost have monopoly. Prices of DCS will drop once NOR will get released
id love to get a look at their source code because this looks like dcs rebranded, nothing unique, nothing new just dcs with a different label on it. and id put money down that thats exactly what theyve done.
PLS repost with more clickbaity title. Tanks.
Yes daddy manatee
Why the Hell would we wait for this when I am sure that DCS will be that good or even better at the time they would have made this available for us? I don't care if my Probe get's stuck in the Basket! And I am sure ther NOR Team thinks the same when competing against DCS on the Free Market.
Let me get this straight: they invite you to try out a next-gen combat simulator which potentially is mind-blowing. After an awesome experience you're told they're DoD contractors and it's highly unlikely (if ever) they'll release it to the general consumer.
Simply put, they gave you the apple, only to snatch it away.
So you decide to upload a video about your own experience, only to confirm to us said inevitably. Honestly, what was the point of that?
Inviting someone to try a product only to be told they could never have it is pure pompous behaviour. Worse are streamers who boast about being able to try said product due to some fanciful invitation, only to remind everyone else afterwards that we'll never get our hands on it anyway. The best part of it is, most of their followers then thank them for it!
It just seems so ridiculous.
'Look, but don't touch...'
I was invited to the convention and I happened to walk by these guys and happened to try it out. I had no intention of trying out this product and I shared my experience with it.
I’m not sure what the fuss is about?
Tell me you don’t understand entertainment without saying “I don’t understand entertainment”.
i'm not impressed at all
Not for puclic not care